Digest for alt.sports.basketball.nba.la-lakers@googlegroups.com - 1 update in 1 topic

Monday, December 31, 2018

$Bill <UNews2Bill@RemovEgmail.com>: Dec 30 09:00PM -0800

Lakers pull one out of their butts in the last couple of minutes despite some
sloppy play, poor Q4 shooting and general lack of aggressiveness. 6 guys in DFs
again with BI/Kuz 1 AST/RB short of a DD and JaVale 2 pts short. Lakers had
only 14 TOs (low for them) for a change and +3 ORBs (almost never +). Lakers
pretty lucky to pull this one out. 121-114 Lakers win by 7.
 
Game Dbl-figures Leaders:
Player Pts FG% 3P% FT% RB AS BL ST TO PF EFF
Caldwell-P 26 (43 /38 /100)/ 3/ 1/ 0/ 2/ 1/ 4/+19
Hart 22 (57 /38 /60 )/ 7/ 3/ 0/ 2/ 2/ 3/+24
Ingram 21 (69 /33 /50 )/ 7/ 9/ 2/ 1/ 3/ 1/+31
Kuzma 18 (29 /40 /100)/ 9/ 6/ 0/ 0/ 2/ 3/+19
Ball 13 (43 /17 /0 )/ 2/ 6/ 0/ 0/ 2/ 1/ +7
McGee 8 (50 /0 /0 )/12/ 1/ 1/ 2/ 1/ 1/+19
 
Next games following:
OCT at LAL: Wed Jan 2 1930 Game 38
NYK at LAL: Fri Jan 4 1930 Game 39
LAL at MIN: Sun Jan 6 1230 Game 40
 
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Quarterly Laker scoring leaders/notes (pluses OR/ST/BL; minuses TO/PF/oOR):
 
Q1 - Not so great D, but 5 ORBs keeps LA in it - shooting 50% vs 57%; pluses
5/2/1; minuses 2/4/2. Hart 10, Chandler/Kuzma 6, Caldwell-Pope/Ingram 5.
37-31=+6Q.
 
Q2 - Where's the D? Wake up you guys & 5 TOs - shooting 57% vs 60%; pluses
2/1/1; minuses 5/5/2. Hart 7, Ball 6, Stephenson/Ingram 4. 27-37=-10Q.
 
HT - Lakers better wake up and play some D in H2 - shooting 53% vs 59%; pluses
7/3/2; minuses 7/9/4. Hart 17, Ingram 9, Kuzma 8,
Caldwell-Pope/Stephenson 7, Chandler/Ball 6. 64-68=-4H.
 
Q3 - Better D, but 5 more TOs - shooting 50% vs 44%; pluses 1/2/3; minuses
5/5/2. Caldwell-Pope 12, Kuzma 5, Ball 4. 28-28=+0Q (92-96=-4).
 
Q4 - Lakers pull one out in the last minute/two - shooting 37% vs 33%; pluses
4/2/0; minuses 2/3/3. Ingram 9, Caldwell-Pope 7, Kuzma 5. 29-18=+11Q.
 
 
Team scoring by Q (FG%/FG-AT includes 3P%/3P-AT):
Lakers Opponent Lakers Opponent
Q FG-AT 3P-AT FT-AT FG-AT 3P-AT FT-AT FG% 3P% FT% FG% 3P% FT% LAL OPP
1 14-28 6-13 3-4 12-21 2-4 5-6 50 46.2 75 57.1 50 83.3 37 31
2 13-23 1-5 0-3 15-25 4-7 3-4 56.5 20 0.0 60 57.1 75 27 37
H 27-51 7-18 3-7 27-46 6-11 8-10 52.9 38.9 42.9 58.7 54.5 80 64 68
3 10-20 4-12 4-7 11-25 6-13 0-0 50 33.3 57.1 44 46.2 0 28 28
A3 37-71 11-30 7-14 38-71 12-24 8-10 52.1 36.7 50 53.5 50 80 92 96
4 10-27 4-14 5-6 8-24 1-10 1-2 37 28.6 83.3 33.3 10 50 29 18
F 47-98 15-44 12-20 46-95 13-34 9-12 48 34.1 60 48.4 38.2 75 121 114
 
Team stats by Q (RB includes team RBs):
Lakers Opponent Diff
Q AS RB OR ST BL TO PF OR AS RB ST BL TO PF AS RB OR ST BL TO PF
1 9 10 5 2 1 2 4 2 7 10 0 1 3 4 +2 +3 +2 -1
2 9 11 2 1 1 5 5 2 9 10 4 2 3 5 +1 -3 -1 +2
H 18 21 7 3 2 7 9 4 16 20 4 3 6 9 +2 +1 +3 -1 -1 +1
3 8 12 1 2 3 5 5 2 5 11 2 0 3 8 +3 +1 -1 +3 +2 -3
A3 26 33 8 5 5 12 14 6 21 31 6 3 9 17 +5 +2 +2 -1 +2 +3 -3
4 4 17 4 2 0 2 3 3 3 14 2 2 4 6 +1 +3 +1 -2 -2 -3
F 30 50 12 7 5 14 17 9 24 45 8 5 13 23 +6 +5 +3 -1 +1 -6
 
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ESPN Box Score:
 
Team 1 2 3 4 Tot
Sacramento Kings 31 37 28 18 114
Los Angeles Lakers 37 27 28 29 121 - Final
 
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-A 3GM-A FTM-A OR TR AS TO ST BS PF PTS P36 +/- EFF
N. Bjelica PF 22 2-5 1-2 0-0 2 9 2 0 1 0 1 5 7 +14 +14
W. Cauley-Stein C 33 5-10 0-0 1-1 2 12 2 2 0 3 1 11 10 -6 +21
D. Fox PG 34 12-19 1-3 1-2 0 4 7 3 3 1 4 26 23 +0 +30
I. Shumpert SG 28 3-12 1-7 1-2 0 2 5 0 2 0 4 8 9 -11 +7
B. Hield SG 37 7-17 4-11 3-4 0 3 2 3 0 0 5 21 17 -3 +12
J. Jackson SF 24 1-4 1-3 2-2 1 4 0 0 0 0 0 5 6 -5 +6
K. Koufos C 5 2-3 0-0 0-0 2 4 1 0 0 0 0 4 24 -10 +8
Y. Ferrell PG 8 3-5 1-1 1-1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 8 30 -11 +6
B. Bogdanovic SG 33 9-18 3-6 0-0 1 5 4 4 1 1 2 21 19 -6 +19
B. McLemore SG 16 2-2 1-1 0-0 1 2 1 1 1 0 5 5 9 +3 +8
S. Labissiere PF DNP-COACH'S DECISION
H. Giles PF DNP-COACH'S DECISION
F. Mason PG DNP-COACH'S DECISION
Totals 46-95 13-34 9-12 9 45 24 13 8 5 23 114
Percent 48.4% 38.2% 75.0%
 
Fast Break Points: 12
Points in Paint: 52
Total Turnovers (Points Off Turnovers): 14 (13)
Flagrant Fouls: 0
Technical Fouls: 3
 
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-A 3GM-A FTM-A OR TR AS TO ST BS PF PTS P36 +/- EFF
K. Kuzma PF 40 5-17 4-10 4-4 1 9 6 2 0 0 3 18 14 +2 +19
B. Ingram SF 39 9-13 1-3 2-4 1 7 9 3 1 2 1 21 16 +16 +31
J. McGee C 24 4-8 0-0 0-0 3 12 1 1 2 1 1 8 10 +7 +19
L. Ball PG 31 6-14 1-6 0-4 0 2 6 2 0 0 1 13 13 -20 +7
J. Hart SG 40 8-14 3-8 3-5 0 7 3 2 2 0 3 22 17 +18 +24
J. Williams PF 4 0-1 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 -6 +0
T. Chandler C 16 3-5 0-1 0-0 5 8 2 3 0 1 2 6 11 +2 +12
S. Mykhailiuk SG 9 0-1 0-1 0-0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 +1 +0
L. Stephenson SG 8 3-4 1-2 0-0 1 2 1 0 0 0 1 7 26 -4 +9
K. Caldwell-Pope SG 28 9-21 5-13 3-3 1 3 1 1 2 0 4 26 28 +19 +19
I. Zubac C DNP-COACH'S DECISION
M. Wagner C DNP-COACH'S DECISION
I. Bonga PG DNP-COACH'S DECISION
Totals 47-98 15-44 12-20 12 50 30 14 7 5 17 121
Percent 48.0% 34.1% 60.0%
 
Fast Break Points: 12
Points in Paint: 52
Total Turnovers (Points Off Turnovers): 14 (13)
Flagrant Fouls: 0
Technical Fouls: 3
 
Game Information
STAPLES Center
Los Angeles, CA
Line: LAL -2.0
Over/Under: 233
Attendance: 18,997
100% Capacity: 19,060
Referees: Eric Lewis, Jacyn Goble, Kevin Scott
 
 
NBA Box Score:
 
Team 1 2 3 4 Total
Sacramento Kings 31 37 28 18 114
Los Angeles Lakers 37 27 28 29 121 - Final
 
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-A 3GM-A FTM-A OR TR AS TO ST BS PF PTS P36 +/- EFF
Iman Shumpert SF 28:11 3-12 1-7 1-2 0 2 5 0 2 0 4 8 9 -11 +7
Nemanja Bjelica PF 21:38 2-5 1-2 0-0 2 9 2 0 1 0 1 5 7 +14 +14
Willie Cauley-St C 32:59 5-10 0-0 1-1 2 12 2 2 0 3 1 11 10 -6 +21
Buddy Hield SG 37:11 7-17 4-11 3-4 0 3 2 3 0 0 5 21 17 -3 +12
De'Aaron Fox PG 34:24 12-19 1-3 1-2 0 4 7 3 3 1 4 26 23 +0 +30
Bogdan Bogdanovi G 32:44 9-18 3-6 0-0 1 5 4 4 1 1 2 21 19 -6 +19
Justin Jackson F 23:39 1-4 1-3 2-2 1 4 0 0 0 0 0 5 6 -5 +6
Kosta Koufos C 4:38 2-3 0-0 0-0 2 4 1 0 0 0 0 4 26 -10 +8
Yogi Ferrell G 8:21 3-5 1-1 1-1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 8 29 -11 +6
Ben McLemore G 16:15 2-2 1-1 0-0 1 2 1 1 1 0 5 5 9 +3 +8
Harry Giles III F-C 0:00 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 +0 +0
Skal Labissiere F 0:00 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 +0 +0
Frank Mason G 0:00 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 +0 +0
Totals 240:0 46-95 13-34 9-12 9 45 24 13 8 5 23 114
Percent 48.4% 38.2% 75.0%
 
Biggest Lead: 11
Fastbreak Points: 27
Longest Run: 12
Points In Paint: 58
Points Off Turnovers: 13
Second Chance Points: 9
 
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-A 3GM-A FTM-A OR TR AS TO ST BS PF PTS P36 +/- EFF
Brandon Ingram SF 39:10 9-13 1-3 2-4 1 7 9 3 1 2 1 21 16 +16 +31
Kyle Kuzma PF 40:14 5-17 4-10 4-4 1 9 6 2 0 0 3 18 13 +2 +19
JaVale McGee C 23:30 4-8 0-0 0-0 3 12 1 1 2 1 1 8 10 +7 +19
Josh Hart SG 39:34 8-14 3-8 3-5 0 7 3 2 2 0 3 22 17 +18 +24
Lonzo Ball PG 31:21 6-14 1-6 0-4 0 2 6 2 0 0 1 13 12 -20 +7
Tyson Chandler C 16:27 3-5 0-1 0-0 5 8 2 3 0 1 2 6 11 +2 +12
Kentavious Caldw G 28:28 9-21 5-13 3-3 1 3 1 1 2 0 4 26 27 +19 +19
Lance Stephenson G 7:51 3-4 1-2 0-0 1 2 1 0 0 0 1 7 27 -4 +9
Johnathan Willia F 4:10 0-1 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 -6 +0
Svi Mykhailiuk G 9:15 0-1 0-1 0-0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 +1 +0
Isaac Bonga G 0:00 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 +0 +0
Moritz Wagner C 0:00 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 +0 +0
Ivica Zubac C 0:00 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 +0 +0
Totals 240:0 47-98 15-44 12-20 12 50 30 14 7 5 17 121
Percent 48.0% 34.1% 60.0%
 
Biggest Lead: 9
Fastbreak Points: 12
Longest Run: 12
Points In Paint: 52
Points Off Turnovers: 16
Second Chance Points: 20
 
Times Tied: 0; Lead Changes: 0
Attendance: 18997; Duration: 2:09
Officials: Eric Lewis, Kevin Scott, Jacyn Goble
 
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Recap whenever.
 
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Game flow URL: http://www.popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20181230&game=SACLAL
From http://espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=401071217
 
1st Quarter
0-0 12:00 Willie Cauley-Stein vs. JaVale McGee (Brandon Ingram gains possession)
0-3 11:41 Josh Hart makes 22-foot three point jumper (Kyle Kuzma assists)
0-3 11:23 Iman Shumpert misses 26-foot three point jumper
0-3 11:17 JaVale McGee defensive rebound
0-3 11:09 Kyle Kuzma misses 26-foot three point jumper
0-3 11:07 Brandon Ingram offensive rebound
0-3 10:57 Josh Hart misses 27-foot three point jumper
0-3 10:51 Buddy Hield defensive rebound
2-3 10:46 Willie Cauley-Stein makes 1-foot dunk (De'Aaron Fox assists)
2-6 10:23 Kyle Kuzma makes 26-foot three point jumper (Lonzo Ball assists)
5-6 10:12 Buddy Hield makes 23-foot three point jumper (Iman Shumpert assists)
5-6 9:59 Brandon Ingram out of bounds bad pass turnover
5-6 9:49 Buddy Hield misses 16-foot pullup jump shot
5-6 9:48 Lakers defensive team rebound
5-8 9:29 JaVale McGee makes 5-foot hook shot
7-8 9:15 Willie Cauley-Stein makes 2-foot two point shot (Iman Shumpert assists)
7-10 9:02 Brandon Ingram makes 7-foot driving floating jump shot
7-10 8:45 Buddy Hield misses 26-foot three point jumper
7-10 8:39 Brandon Ingram defensive rebound
7-10 8:34 Kyle Kuzma misses 26-foot three point jumper
7-10 8:29 De'Aaron Fox defensive rebound
10-10 8:23 Iman Shumpert makes 24-foot three point jumper (Willie Cauley-Stein assists)
10-12 7:54 Brandon Ingram makes 17-foot pullup jump shot
10-12 7:40 Buddy Hield misses two point shot
10-12 7:37 JaVale McGee defensive rebound
10-14 7:35 Josh Hart makes two point shot (Brandon Ingram assists)
10-14 7:35 Buddy Hield shooting foul
10-15 7:35 Josh Hart makes free throw 1 of 1
12-15 7:27 De'Aaron Fox makes 7-foot driving floating jump shot
12-15 7:12 JaVale McGee misses driving layup
12-15 7:10 Nemanja Bjelica defensive rebound
12-15 7:08 Kyle Kuzma shooting foul
13-15 7:08 Buddy Hield makes free throw 1 of 2
13-15 7:08 Tyson Chandler enters the game for JaVale McGee
14-15 7:08 Buddy Hield makes free throw 2 of 2
14-15 6:52 Josh Hart misses 14-foot two point shot
14-15 6:48 Buddy Hield defensive rebound
16-15 6:44 De'Aaron Fox makes two point shot
16-18 6:26 Kyle Kuzma makes 25-foot three point jumper (Brandon Ingram assists)
18-18 6:11 Willie Cauley-Stein makes two point shot (De'Aaron Fox assists)
18-18 6:01 Kyle Kuzma misses 19-foot pullup jump shot
18-18 5:56 Tyson Chandler offensive rebound
18-20 5:56 Tyson Chandler makes dunk
20-20 5:38 Iman Shumpert makes 22-foot pullup jump shot (Nemanja Bjelica assists)
20-20 5:29 Lakers Full timeout
20-20 5:29 Willie Cauley-Stein blocks Lonzo Ball's driving layup
20-20 5:29 Lakers offensive team rebound
20-20 5:29 Bogdan Bogdanovic enters the game for De'Aaron Fox
20-20 5:26 Kyle Kuzma misses layup
20-20 5:23 Willie Cauley-Stein defensive rebound
20-20 5:07 Tyson Chandler defensive 3-seconds (technical foul)
21-20 5:07 Buddy Hield makes technical free throw
23-20 4:58 Bogdan Bogdanovic makes driving layup
23-20 4:42 Lonzo Ball misses layup
23-20 4:39 Willie Cauley-Stein defensive rebound
23-20 4:38 Brandon Ingram shooting foul
23-20 4:38 Iman Shumpert misses free throw 1 of 2
23-20 4:38 Kings offensive team rebound
23-20 4:38 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope enters the game for Lonzo Ball
23-20 4:38 Kosta Koufos enters the game for Willie Cauley-Stein
23-20 4:38 Justin Jackson enters the game for Nemanja Bjelica
24-20 4:38 Iman Shumpert makes free throw 2 of 2
24-20 4:24 Buddy Hield personal foul
24-20 4:20 Iman Shumpert shooting foul
24-21 4:20 Brandon Ingram makes free throw 1 of 2
24-21 4:20 Yogi Ferrell enters the game for Iman Shumpert
24-21 4:20 Brandon Ingram misses free throw 2 of 2
24-21 4:17 Kosta Koufos defensive rebound
24-21 4:07 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope personal foul
24-21 4:03 Bogdan Bogdanovic misses 24-foot pullup jump shot
24-21 4:00 Brandon Ingram defensive rebound
24-21 3:54 Brandon Ingram misses driving layup
24-21 3:50 Tyson Chandler offensive rebound
24-23 3:50 Tyson Chandler makes tip shot
24-23 3:48 Josh Hart personal foul
24-23 3:39 Buddy Hield bad pass (Josh Hart steals)
24-23 3:31 Josh Hart misses 27-foot three point jumper
24-23 3:28 Tyson Chandler offensive rebound
24-23 3:26 Brandon Ingram disc dribble turnover
24-23 3:26 Ben McLemore enters the game for Buddy Hield
24-23 3:10 Bogdan Bogdanovic misses driving floating jump shot
24-23 3:06 Kosta Koufos offensive rebound
26-23 3:04 Kosta Koufos makes 5-foot hook shot
26-26 2:51 Josh Hart makes 26-foot three point jumper (Kyle Kuzma assists)
26-26 2:51 Ben McLemore shooting foul
26-26 2:51 Kings Full timeout
26-26 2:51 Lance Stephenson enters the game for Kyle Kuzma
26-27 2:51 Josh Hart makes free throw 1 of 1
26-27 2:38 Bogdan Bogdanovic out of bounds lost ball turnover
26-29 2:30 Tyson Chandler makes alley oop dunk shot (Brandon Ingram assists)
28-29 2:09 Kosta Koufos makes 7-foot two point shot
28-29 1:52 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope misses 27-foot three point jumper
28-29 1:50 Tyson Chandler offensive rebound
28-32 1:45 Lance Stephenson makes 25-foot three point jumper (Kentavious Caldwell-Pope assists)
28-32 1:34 Tyson Chandler defensive 3-seconds (technical foul)
29-32 1:34 Yogi
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gorgofromns@gmail.com: Dec 31 07:31PM -0800

OMG Benn may be a great guy and can make s lot of good plays but OMG what a turnover machine he is. White knuckles ever shift I watch him. In tonight's game he stumblebums the puck away then takes a penalty. Stars feast on the Habs PK group and it's 2-1. I've seen this scene with Benn as the star too many times I'm afraid. What bothers me most is that if Mete, Juulsen, Riley or Kulak had the same record of blunders they would be sitting or in Laval. Simply not fair.
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The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Dec 31 09:45AM -0800

On Sunday, 30 December 2018 05:57:09 UTC, John Liang wrote:
> 28 years ? Well that is a lot shorter than thousand years+
 
Trump going to build a Great Wall and it going to be a BEAUTIFUL WALL and there NOTHING you can do about it!
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com>: Dec 31 06:06PM

On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 09:45:19 -0800, The Iceberg wrote:
 
>> 28 years ? Well that is a lot shorter than thousand years+
 
> Trump going to build a Great Wall and it going to be a BEAUTIFUL WALL
> and there NOTHING you can do about it!
 
I thought it was a "big, beautiful slatted fence" now, best in the
history of the world.
sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com>: Dec 31 10:44AM -0800

On Monday, December 31, 2018 at 10:06:43 AM UTC-8, jdeluise wrote:
> > and there NOTHING you can do about it!
 
> I thought it was a "big, beautiful slatted fence" now, best in the
> history of the world.
 
My understanding is that the current design calls for a series of 437 Trump Towers to be erected along the southern border, and the spaces between to be fenced off.
 
;^)
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Dec 31 09:43AM -0800

On Monday, 31 December 2018 14:23:00 UTC, Calimero wrote:
 
> > you're biased cos Germany runs the EU, but how on earth is sexual assault, live on TV, worse than Trump boasting to his mates?! what kind of sick example does this set?! any man can grab someone else's butt and that's fine! LOL
 
> > THEEE(as Patrick would say) most hilarious thing about the EU is this unelected Juncker idiot, imagine going to the USA and trying to change their Federal system so nobody has a clue who their senators(MEPs) are and the President is unelected! LOL
 
> Who makes you think Juncker is unelected, you dimwit?
 
himself, you power-grabbing liar!
Calimero <calimero377@gmx.de>: Dec 31 09:49AM -0800

On Monday, December 31, 2018 at 6:43:55 PM UTC+1, The Iceberg wrote:
 
> > > THEEE(as Patrick would say) most hilarious thing about the EU is this unelected Juncker idiot, imagine going to the USA and trying to change their Federal system so nobody has a clue who their senators(MEPs) are and the President is unelected! LOL
 
> > Who makes you think Juncker is unelected, you dimwit?
 
> himself, you power-grabbing liar!
 
 
But he was elected, you ignorant dipshit.
 
 
Max
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Dec 31 09:50AM -0800

On Monday, 31 December 2018 17:49:35 UTC, Calimero wrote:
 
> > > Who makes you think Juncker is unelected, you dimwit?
 
> > himself, you power-grabbing liar!
 
> But he was elected, you ignorant dipshit.
 
by whom, you dumb lying bullying toad.
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com>: Dec 31 06:00PM

On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 11:35:47 +0100, *skriptis wrote:
 
> unelected kinda president of EU, who strolls the corridors of Brussels
> and grabs handsome Croatian prime minister by the ass and sends him a
> flying kiss.
 
Interesting your PM looks like he might have enjoyed it!
"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.los>: Dec 31 08:13PM +0200

On 31/12/2018 20.00, jdeluise wrote:
>> and grabs handsome Croatian prime minister by the ass and sends him a
>> flying kiss.
 
> Interesting your PM looks like he might have enjoyed it!
 
What's a dick up your ass if the EU structural funds pay for your porridge?
sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com>: Dec 31 09:59AM -0800

On Monday, December 31, 2018 at 9:28:22 AM UTC-8, The Iceberg wrote:
> > > the pic is not very flattering.
 
> > Back stuff up with pics and memes? lol
 
> hey jd, what do you think about CNN's "journalist of the year"(Claas Relotius) having turned out to be a total fraud, liar, having made up all his stories?
 
Iceman, it's even worse than that:
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/11/national/times-reporter-who-resigned-leaves-long-trail-of-deception.html
 
This is a story about an NYT reporter fabricating stories back in the early 2000s.
 
This is why I seldom take stories at face value anymore. The opportunity is there, the temptation, also, and only personal integrity acts as a brake--and there's precious little of that floating around in these times.
 
Truly, it is out of vogue.
 
It was about this time that I really began to rigorously triage incoming information--including news stories--for relevance to my own life. This is to say, I used an oddball criterion...
 
My grandparents were from SE Europe, mostly rural areas. One day it came to me that the Titanic could have sunk and they, in all likelihood, never heard about it; also the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire. Did this earth-shaking news affect their life, ongoing, in any substantive way? No? Then it had no effect or meaning for them, and most importantly, they did not expend any of their emotional capital hand-wringing over who got on lifeboats and who did not, was it fair, and other effete nonsense.
 
It simply did not matter to them, at all.
 
Fast-forward to today, when everyone is expected to hear about every thing, and have an emotional reaction to it--and for God's sake, it has to be the RIGHT reaction, too. If you don't believe me, read the news reports and subsequent discussion on the immigrant kids who have died at the border recently. You had better be sympathetic and blame US Immigration Service, or you'll be labeled a brutal racist, no doubt about it.
 
Fuck all that, I say...
 
:^)
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com>: Dec 31 06:05PM

On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 09:59:21 -0800, sawfish wrote:
 
> This is a story about an NYT reporter fabricating stories back in the
> early 2000s.
 
Icey believes everything Trump tells him. He both believes that Stormy
Daniels was paid and also that she wasn't paid, all because Trump made
both statements. But this sort of cognitive dissonance is perfectly
logical in his mind. Or maybe he is brilliant and sees the quantum
mechanics in all of this?
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Professor <Jayess@telus.net>: Dec 31 09:50AM -0800

Past Canuck games played on New Years Eve.
Check out 1995 for a much younger John Shorthouse on Sportspage.
That could well have been me rolling Tapes.
 
Professor
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Darth Simian <great_sage_equal_of_heaven_@hotmail.com>: Dec 30 07:58PM

Concerns have been raised over the readiness of a British firm
contracted by the government to run extra ferries in the event of a
no-deal Brexit.
 
Seaborne Freight was awarded a £13.8m contract this week to run a
freight service between Ramsgate and Ostend.
 
Conservative Kent county councillor Paul Messenger said it was
impossible for the government to have carried out sufficient checks on
the firm.
 
"It has *no ships* and *no trading history* so how can due diligence be
done?" he asked
more...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46714984
PMSW :-)
Thank fuck I was able to get an Irish passport!
--
IT'S THE S*N WOT BREXIT. The S*n had the highest percentage of Brexit
voters than any other newspaper, new research says.
Rupelution Knows Best! :-(
Darth Simian <great_sage_equal_of_heaven_@hotmail.com>: Dec 31 09:02AM

On 30/12/2018 23:02, Pugnacious O'Lunacy wrote:
>> Thank fuck I was able to get an Irish passport!
 
> But will those invisible ferries have a inch of our water to sail in?
 
> LMFAO!!
 
Perhaps Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab will construct a pontoon from
Ramsgate to Ostend using Rafalution's favourite Caribbean Rice & Peas
packets?
https://twitter.com/Michael_Thawe/status/1079108562155126784
LMFWO :-)
(but who will be be laughing in March?)
--
IT'S THE S*N WOT BREXIT. The S*n had the highest percentage of Brexit
voters than any other newspaper, new research says.
Rupelution Knows Best! :-(
Paul Pot <PMD@SIBU.HQ>: Dec 31 02:42PM

Darth Simian has brought this to us :
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46714984
> PMSW :-)
> Thank fuck I was able to get an Irish passport!
 
 
It's a masonic deal, it's the same in all other industries, startups
getting government or council money - with no trading history
whatsoever!
 
--
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Rafalution <bringbackboss@25thmay2005.com>: Dec 30 11:20PM

*TWATS*
 
Not an inch of our waters, not a Penny of our Pounds
No Deal is the best Deal
 
*FACT*
 
 
--
 
Victory for the Lord Jesus Christ, Jacob Rees Mogg, Stephen Christopher
Yaxley-Lennon and Mr Rafa Benitez
Darth Simian <great_sage_equal_of_heaven_@hotmail.com>: Dec 31 08:49AM

On 30/12/2018 23:20, Rafalution wrote:
 
> Not an inch of our waters, not a Penny of our Pounds
> No Deal is the best Deal
 
> *FACT*
 
You live in the West Midlands *Michael* so I don't know why you are so
obsessed by the sea.
You should be more concerned with the violent crime in *your* city
Rafalution:
 
A man was taken to hospital with a gunshot wound after a police car was
flagged down in Birmingham city centre.
Officers were stopped in Bristol Street just after 05:30 GMT, West
Midlands Police said.
"The 24-year-old was in a *white* Audi and his injuries are not believed
to be life-threatening," a spokeswoman added.
more...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-46716456
 
A man has been stabbed to death in the West Midlands in the early hours.
The 34-year-old was found with stab wounds in Springfield Drive,
Halesowen (not far from The *WHF* Estate), and died at the scene.
West Midlands Police, which has started a murder investigation, said
officers believed he was attacked at about 01:30 GMT.
more...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-46715220
:-(
--
I once asked Rupert Murdoch why he was so opposed to the European Union.
'That's easy,' he replied. 'When I go into Downing Street they do what I
say; when I go to Brussels they take no notice.'
Rupelution Knows Best! :-(
Chuck Spears <fishbowl2011@gmail.com>: Dec 30 07:27PM

I just can't believe United would have beaten those three teams so
comprehensively with Jose in charge. They might well have won all 3
games but it would have been a much more stressful experience. Some of
the United players are doing things I didn't think they could do.
Darth Simian <great_sage_equal_of_heaven_@hotmail.com>: Dec 30 07:52PM

On 30/12/2018 19:27, Chuck Spears wrote:
> comprehensively with Jose in charge. They might well have won all 3
> games but it would have been a much more stressful experience. Some of
> the United players are doing things I didn't think they could do.
Tougher tests than Cardiff, Huddersfield and Bournemouth lie ahead.
It's a very good start for OGS nonetheless.
--
Rupelution identifies with being Scouse, Slim and *WHITE*
His IP address suggests that's a load of *SHITE*
LMFWO :-)
Rafalution <bringbackboss@25thmay2005.com>: Dec 30 04:54PM

On 30/12/2018 14:42, Paul Pot wrote:
 
>> I agree with you 100% *Michael*
 
> Michael is dating a *white* lady who wants to be black.
 
> https://twitter.com/nickyebrennan/status/1078743839492444160
 
Fat boy only dates black birds, thats why his heart is set on Rachel Dolezal
 
 
PMSL :)
 
--
 
Victory for the Lord Jesus Christ, Jacob Rees Mogg, Stephen Christopher
Yaxley-Lennon and Mr Rafa Benitez
Rafalution <bringbackboss@25thmay2005.com>: Dec 30 04:56PM

On 30/12/2018 15:58, Darth Simian wrote:
> I'm changing the direction of our country!
> Join the Liberal Democrats to stop Brexit!
> http://www.libdems.org.uk/
 
 
You'd squash that bitch alive if you tried to shag her you fat twat !!!
 
PMSL :)
 
--
 
Victory for the Lord Jesus Christ, Jacob Rees Mogg, Stephen Christopher
Yaxley-Lennon and Mr Rafa Benitez
Chuck Spears <fishbowl2011@gmail.com>: Dec 30 07:04PM

On 29/12/2018 20:56, Kloppalution wrote:
 
> The  rest is history and the next 20 pages provide comedy gold reading !!!!
 
> FAFTBH :)
 
Liverpool are top of the league but you are more interested in what
people in Redcafe are posting about Liverpool. Now we have to read what
a Liverpool fan, who is reading what United fans post, who are watching
Liverpool. That's not second hand, that's third hand. We can just watch
the match ourselves and cut out two stages in the process.
I may have just added another layer by replying to your post. You are
now reading a post by a United fan, reading a post by a Liverpool fan,
reading posts by United fans, watching Liverpool.
Darth Simian <great_sage_equal_of_heaven_@hotmail.com>: Dec 30 06:59PM

He will be reading the usual https://www.thes*n.co.uk/ until further notice!
LMFWO :-)
--
Please delete as applicable:
I identify with...
being white / *BLACK*
the city of Liverpool / *BIRMINGHAM*
being slim / *FAT*
reading The Daily Mirror / The S*n
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"the_andrew_smith@yahoo.com" <the_andrew_smith@yahoo.com>: Dec 31 05:46AM -0800

We'll watch the NCSU game. But that's about it.
Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan): Dec 31 03:14PM

On Sun, 30 Dec 2018 20:43:41 -0800 (PST), JGibson
 
>Actually six total bowl games on New Year's Eve. And only three on ESPN. =
>The other three are on CBS, FOX, and FS1.
 
What I see is 53 losses for the 12 yeams playing. Seems to me you
would have to be a fan of one of the schools to be interested.
 
Hugh
RoddyMcCorley <Roddy.McCorley@verizon.net>: Dec 31 12:28AM -0500

On 12/30/2018 8:40 PM, JGibson wrote:
> Forget the results on the field. Just look at the teams with the best NFL prospects.
 
> https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2813062-alabama-and-clemson-domination-creates-ugly-day-for-cfb-playoff-committee
 
> Uh, yeah.
 
Six teams. The top two get a bye in the first round.
 
Or put the top four or top eight in a hat and pick them at random. Could
end up with a match up of Clempson v. Bama in the first round, which is
OK with me. The current championship is not really compelling for me
since I have seen it a couple of times already. Having either of those
paste ND in the final would have been enjoyable.
 
--
False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul
with evil.
 
Pennsylvania - Tá sé difriúil anseo.
Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan): Dec 31 03:09PM

On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 00:28:01 -0500, RoddyMcCorley
 
>Six teams. The top two get a bye in the first round.
 
Something I mentioned before IF there are 6 competitive teams. Bama
eliminated UGA and Purdue eliminated OSU.
 
>Or put the top four or top eight in a hat and pick them at random. Could
>end up with a match up of Clempson v. Bama in the first round, which is
>OK with me.
 
Not me. The best teams should play the last game, not the first.
Otherwise there would be no need for the other games.
 
>The current championship is not really compelling for me
 
That would be a function of whether one is a fan of a team (or
conference) in the playoffs...
 
Lately Bama has had a pretty fair football team. But standards, when
met, should always be set higher. Bama has made a number of mistakes
in recent games. I doubt Bama can afford that luxury vs. Clemson.
 
Hugh
Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net>: Dec 30 09:45PM -0700

In article <fe6bdd6f-f6d4-4736-ae29-616d062d78aa@googlegroups.com>,
 
> I thought he meant Blaise, not the programming language.
 
Could be. I only speak to what I know.
Philosophy is outside my ken.
 
Fibonacci numbers show up in Pascal's triangle
in a regular way, but not as individual entries.
 
--
Michael Press
xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com>: Dec 31 12:59PM


>> I thought he meant Blaise, not the programming language.
 
> Could be. I only speak to what I know.
> Philosophy is outside my ken.
 
That's what I meant. Was going for a famous mathematician. But the
programming language I thought was a nice double entendre, being fairly
didactic and rules based. I'm surprised you preferred C which I personally
prefer but it can get chaotic in practice if used by the wrong programmer.
michael anderson <mianderson79@gmail.com>: Dec 31 05:13AM -0800

good thread....I would probably go with 'parlay'. I ordered a vanity license plate that says that
xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com>: Dec 31 06:13AM -0800

> Fiancé's should be EXCELlency, yours should be Propeller
 
Propeller, I like that better.
Ken Olson <kolson@freedomnet.org.spam>: Dec 31 03:36AM -0500

On 12/31/2018 1:40 AM, Earl Grey wrote:
 
> And the United States Congress.
 
> <https://media.breitbart.com/media/2018/08/Nancy-Pelosi-gavel-Associated-
> Press-640x480.jpg>
 
Bad Grandma!
Earl Grey <prop.357@panix.com>: Dec 31 06:40AM

On 30 Dec 2018, Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan) posted some
>>Club at Bedminster, N.J., hired at least four immigrants who presented
>>fake Social Security and legal permanent resident cards."
 
> Fakes are everywhere. Look at the Ohio State football team.
 
And the United States Congress.
 
<https://media.breitbart.com/media/2018/08/Nancy-Pelosi-gavel-Associated-
Press-640x480.jpg>
Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan): Dec 31 02:07AM

>-- https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/12/09/undocumented-housekeeper-at-trump-golf-course-says-she-does-not-regret-going-public/23613437/
>===============================================
 
>"This month, The New York Times revealed that the Trump National Golf Club at Bedminster, N.J., hired at least four immigrants who presented fake Social Security and legal permanent resident cards."
 
Fakes are everywhere. Look at the Ohio State football team.
 
Hugh
bruce2bowser@gmail.com: Dec 31 05:50AM -0800

On Sunday, December 30, 2018 at 5:56:39 PM UTC-5, max headroom wrote:
> > -- https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/24/us/undocumented-immigrants-los-angeles.html
 
> I see two articles about illegal aliens using fake IDs (surprise, surprise!), but nothing about your
> subject line.
 
Surprise Surprise.
Trump GAVE them the fake numbers:
====================================
"Attorney Anibal Romero, who represents several undocumented immigrants who used to work at the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, said Friday he recently met with investigators from the state attorney general's office and handed over fraudulent green cards and SocialSecurity numbers that management at the club allegedly procured and gave his clients, Victorina Morales and Sandra Diaz."
 
New Jersey AG Has Obtained Evidence of Possible Crimes At Trump's Gold Club
New York Daily News - 2 days ago
-- https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-pol-fbi-ag-evidence-crimes-trump-golf-20181228-story.html
====================================
"State and FBI investigators are reportedly probing allegations that Trump's golf club gave fake green cards to undocumented workers"
Report: FBI probing alleged fake green cards at Trump's golf club
Business Insider - 2 days ago
-- https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-bedminster-golf-club-undocumented-workers-fake-green-card-fbi-investigation-2018-12
Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan): Dec 31 01:55AM

On Sun, 30 Dec 2018 14:01:52 -0800 (PST), walstib77
 
>Fewer conference games, more November FCS matchups, and avoiding marquee September interconference match-ups is exactly what the sport needs and fans and players want.
 
>Right?
 
The teams in the Final Four gave the fans and players what they wanted
from the season.
 
Fans of teams that Purdue beat are less happy.
 
Hugh
dnrapp <dnrapp@aol.com>: Dec 31 05:45AM -0800

On Sunday, December 30, 2018 at 10:11:18 PM UTC-8, michael anderson wrote:
 
> > > the big12 at least has Oklahoma and Texas(when they get good again) I guess....but I mean discussing the pac12 as if they are an entity that has any meaning at all is a lost cause.
 
> > Where in the post did I mention the PAC12? And you call me anti SEC!
 
> you referenced bad conference additions by conferences that play 9 conference games, using the word 'only' to describe those made by the bigten. That only leaves two conferences left...the pac12 and the big12.
 
That is because the Big10 additions were the only bad ones. TCU, Utah and Colorado have been good additions.
"the_andrew_smith@yahoo.com" <the_andrew_smith@yahoo.com>: Dec 31 02:47AM -0800

By all accounts he's an incredibly hard worker, which they didn't get with Richt. Not sure about Golden.
 
I'd like to see him succeed; a good Miami is good for football.
michael anderson <mianderson79@gmail.com>: Dec 31 05:00AM -0800

> By all accounts he's an incredibly hard worker, which they didn't get with Richt. Not sure about Golden.
 
> I'd like to see him succeed; a good Miami is good for football.
 
is it though? A private school with a relatively small alumni base, relatively limited facilties/resources, little fan support(even when good), and an nfl-like culture?
 
I'd argue that also less consistent programs like Texas or Michigan being good is good for college football....Miami outkicking their coverage for much of a two or more decade period is not ideal for college football because of all of the above.
 
it's kinda like the knicks and lakers in the nba- it's good for the nba when they are good. It's not as important for the nba for the sacremento kings to be good
"the_andrew_smith@yahoo.com" <the_andrew_smith@yahoo.com>: Dec 31 05:42AM -0800

I think that's a fair argument. However, Miami is the school with enough football history/culture to buttress the ACC. And improving the ACC is good.
 
Much in the same way that a strong USC would improve the Pac12.
michael anderson <mianderson79@gmail.com>: Dec 31 05:32AM -0800


> Doesn't that mean everyone should be reevaluating?
 
> Look the bama dynasty is something to behold - certainly haven't seen anything like it in my lifetime. Dabo took a minute but Clemson has also become an awesome reload and go machine.
 
> But neither will last.
 
not at this level no....(btw clemson is not in the same sphere...and some of that has to do with the acc).
 
But after this year assuming bama wins....Alabama has what....13 poll era national titles? 14 after next year with the team that has to come back? Saban didn't win all those....
 
 
>I think Oklahoma is gonna get their shit together on defense in the next few >years and really turn elite. And both Texas and Tamu have everything they >need in place to start making big strides.
 
I guess...but how many years since...ww2?...has texas A&M actually been really good? RC slocum had a few years where they were good but not great in the old swc. The pieces in terms of alumni, facilities, coach now are there. But gotta see it at some point. This years recruiting class is certainly a start...but hell even in this year which was shaping up to be their best ever class, bama blew by them as expected and georgia is going to finish above them as well.
 
 
 
>Can't ever sleep on usc, and I can't imagine Knight is sleeping on oregon.
 
 
Oregon? Im sorry is oregon even trying to be good? thats an odd inclusion....
 
If I had to pick the 5 best programs going forward over the next ten years....I'll go(in no order) Alabama, Ohio State, Georgia, Clemson...and then I'm stuck on the fifth. Could be any one of 10 teams. Maybe texas A&M. Maybe Michigan, USC, Texas, OU, Florida, a resurgent FSU even....gun to my head I'd go texas because of resource and recruiting *possibilities(posssibilities dont always translate into guaranteed elite classes)
 
Alabama is Alabama.
 
Ohio State is Ohio State.
 
Georgia has such a recruiting bounty,incredible alumni base and it's really hard to describe how damaging Richt was to the program. That really masks what they could have done over that forever stretch where the college football landscape was changing. I don't know if Kirby is really going to be 'great'or a mini Saban or not, but compared to richt he is 100x better than even saban.
 
I put clemson in but Im not totally sure about them over the next decade. Their recruiting *still* isn't as consistently great as the very top. It's great certainly, but that really speaks to their player development under dabo. And a lot of it is going to depend if Dabo stays at Clemson over the next decade or decides he wants to replace the GOAT in a few(?) years.....
"j" <jms@aol.com>: Dec 31 11:56AM +0100

In article <227a4974-956f-4b8b-85be-
5d6a6873c95f@googlegroups.com>
 
> > I feel bad for them....the overall solution is to get more people to care
> about pac12 football. But thats not easy
 
> ESPN also show MWC games in the late time slot. Big FOX has Pac12 games on in the prime time slot just about every other week.
 
When you have a shitty product you get what the market will pay.
michael anderson <mianderson79@gmail.com>: Dec 31 05:06AM -0800

On Monday, December 31, 2018 at 5:10:07 AM UTC-6, j wrote:
> > about pac12 football. But thats not easy
 
> > ESPN also show MWC games in the late time slot. Big FOX has Pac12 games on in the prime time slot just about every other week.
 
> When you have a shitty product you get what the market will pay.
 
true, and this is why I think the pac12 commissioner gets more blame than even he should. He can't make California Bear(is that their mascot?) fans care about football? Or ASU, Arizona, etc....He can't create core/foundational programs in a conference when none exist.....blaming him for the pac12's woes is about like blaming the shot mechanics of a 4'11 basktball player who keeps getting his shot blocked.....
 
you know what would help make the pac12 successful from this standpoint? If they had programs like Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Michigan, tOSU,Penn State......programs that can anchor a conference in terms of fan support, resources, quality. They don't have that....even the programs that have been good at times on the field don't have the other components. Over the last 4 years or so Washington has gone what.....3943030302- 7 or so? Can anyone even remember a single washington game over that span?
Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan): Dec 31 02:05AM

On Sun, 30 Dec 2018 16:23:03 -0800 (PST), "the_andrew_smith@yahoo.com"
 
>I=E2=80=99ve little tolerance for waiting for pretty much anything. I waite=
>d for 4(?) hours for the King Tut exhibit in summer in New Orleans when i w=
>as 10 or so.
 
I saw that in Dallas - really interesting. I bought a scarab (dead as
Tut) as a souvenir.
 
Hugh
Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan): Dec 31 02:01AM

On Sun, 30 Dec 2018 22:20:50 -0000 (UTC), xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com>
wrote:
 
>>> best time to come here to kill 3 hours before our flight home.
 
>> Was that originally named the Field Museum?
 
>No, Field is a natural history museum. Also on Lakeshore Drive though.
 
Back in the laste 30s dad used to take us to Swift & Co. HQs in Chi.
We always went to the Field Museum and Shedd Aquarium. Is the Adler
Planetarium in Chi? If so we always went there, too.
 
Hugh
Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan): Dec 31 02:09AM

On Sun, 30 Dec 2018 15:09:12 -0700, Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net>
wrote:
 
>larger version!
 
>--
>Michael Press
 
Wouldn't that be to keep them in, not keep others out?
 
Hugh
Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net>: Dec 30 12:59PM -0700

In article <77347363-9244-4105-89d4-a231ca03cae9@googlegroups.com>,
 
> UCF deserves a shot before Notre Dame?
 
> Also, we all knew Notre Dame didn't belong.
 
> Both times.
 
I agree that teams play a full conference schedule,
one or zero bowl games and we discuss it for the
next few months.
 
--
Michael Press
"Emanuel Boyer" <eboyer@uchicago.edu>: Dec 31 10:02AM +0100

You can bet he had some interesting conversations with Iowans,
especially after coming from Obama fag state Illinois.
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