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Tuesday, July 26, 2016

Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au>: Jul 26 09:20PM +1000

On 26/07/2016 11:43 AM, stephenJ wrote:
 
> Actually, before stabbing Seles was 5-0 versus everyone else, and 3-1 vs
> Graf. So she pretty much vacuumed up Graf like she did everyone else.
 
She vacuumed up Graf in 1992 slams?
 
: )
 
 
Actually I'm starting to feel some pity for your pro-Seles campaign -
might have to start playing devil's advocate to even it up a bit.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au>: Jul 26 09:21PM +1000

On 26/07/2016 11:53 AM, stephenJ wrote:
 
> No field has ever been weaker than women between 93-96. Ever.
 
Nonsense. Did you see the players Evert beat in slams in the 70's?
Mama mia!
 
: )
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au>: Jul 26 06:59PM +1000

On 26/07/2016 12:54 AM, John Liang wrote:
 
>>> Cash was always playing second fiddle to the likes Edberg and Becker, he was slightly older than Edberg. I remember him destroyed the swedes single handedly in 87 Davis Cup final but
 
>> You forget 1983 Davis Cup as well.
 
> No, I didn't. John Fitzgerald also won his first single match against Nystrom and Australia won the doubt with Mark Edmonson and Paul McNamee, Cash won the first reverse single against Nystrom so it was a team effort rather than an individual effort. Actually I made the mistake it was 86 that Cash won the Davis Cup singled handedly for Australia, he won both of his singles match against Edberg 13:11, 13:11, 6:4 and came from 2 sets down to win against Pernfors, Cash also played double with Fitzgerald to beat Edberg/Jarryd, McNamee the other single player in the Australian team lost both singles.
 
Cash clinched both cups though. He got the glory of winning the match
that won the cup in '83 & '86.
John Liang <jliang70@gmail.com>: Jul 26 02:17AM -0700

On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 6:59:45 PM UTC+10, Whisper wrote:
 
> > No, I didn't. John Fitzgerald also won his first single match against Nystrom and Australia won the doubt with Mark Edmonson and Paul McNamee, Cash won the first reverse single against Nystrom so it was a team effort rather than an individual effort. Actually I made the mistake it was 86 that Cash won the Davis Cup singled handedly for Australia, he won both of his singles match against Edberg 13:11, 13:11, 6:4 and came from 2 sets down to win against Pernfors, Cash also played double with Fitzgerald to beat Edberg/Jarryd, McNamee the other single player in the Australian team lost both singles.
 
> Cash clinched both cups though. He got the glory of winning the match
> that won the cup in '83 & '86.
 
But his effort in 86 was more heroic than 83, 83 was as I said a team effort, Cash lost the first single rubber to Wilander and replied on his team mates to win the double and the other single match. 86 was different when he won all his matches in both single and double.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au>: Jul 26 08:46PM +1000

On 26/07/2016 1:19 AM, StephenJ wrote:
>> Oh wait no that was v Soderling & Roddick.
 
>> : )
 
> er, I've never heard you denigrate Sampras for beating Pioline (twice!) to rack up W/USO titles, LOL.
 
He beat Pioline 6 sets to 0 in slam finals in 3rd gear.
 
 
> Fed has faced far tougher slam final opponents than Pete ever did.
 
Sampras would lick his lips playing baseliners like Rafa/Djoker at
Wimbledon give me a fucking break. rst logic is killing me.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au>: Jul 26 08:51PM +1000

On 26/07/2016 2:14 AM, bob wrote:
> call a weak field, then got old. in a way we got a lill cheated of
> peak fed vs peak nadal/djok/murray.
 
> bob
 
Excellent post. Well, by rst standards at least. In the real world
it's duh.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au>: Jul 26 09:18PM +1000

On 26/07/2016 11:36 AM, stephenJ wrote:
 
> Sampras never faced opponents as good as Nadal or Joker. Not even close.
 
> The guys Federer beat in GS finals have won 60 GS titles. The guys
> Sampras beat won 41. That's really all you need to know.
 
You'd have to be a bit clueless to think Rafa would be any kind of
opposition to Sampras off clay. It's embarrassing Rafa did so well v
Fed off clay.
 
: )
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au>: Jul 26 09:14PM +1000

On 26/07/2016 7:15 AM, Carey wrote:
 
> Bookmark this one, folks-
 
> Jill Stein for President '16
 
I'd be mildly shocked if Hillary won.
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Jul 26 09:15AM +0200

> the released emails suggests that the documents passed through Russian
> computers."
 
> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/25/us/politics/donald-trump-russia-emails.html
 
Like bob said, a shitty source.
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Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au>: Jul 26 09:12PM +1000

On 26/07/2016 5:29 AM, bob wrote:
> and gracchus have it 1/2 covered, who'll chip in the other half? TT,
> court1, you in?
 
> bob
 
I'll chip in. I'm guaranteed an indexed pension of 120k+ per annum from
age 55 for life (wife will get similar) - feel a bit guilty so it's the
least I could do for Hillary to look her best.
 
: )
"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.los>: Jul 26 12:37PM +0300

"Europe's biggest airline by passenger numbers Monday joined the ranks
of airlines complaining of big hits to its earnings from the Brexit
effect, chronic strikes by French air traffic controllers and the
fall-out from the Brussels airport bombing in March. It warned that
average fares would fall by up to 12% over the next nine months and said
that if anything, that forecast may be too optimistic. And while it
didn't put a figure on the damage done by the U.K.'s 'Brexit', it said
it would start moving flights away from the U.K. routes that have been
its cash cow for most of the last few years."
 
So why is the stock bouncing back?
 
Because the markets expected the prospects to be even worse!
 
http://fortune.com/2016/07/25/heres-why-ryanair-shares-are-bouncing-despite-the-brexit-gloom/?iid=leftrail
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 26 03:37AM -0700

On Tuesday, 26 July 2016 10:37:39 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
 
> So why is the stock bouncing back?
 
> Because the markets expected the prospects to be even worse!
 
> http://fortune.com/2016/07/25/heres-why-ryanair-shares-are-bouncing-despite-the-brexit-gloom/?iid=leftrail
 
the moron experts were wrong. The real question is why you're so absolutely terrified of Brexit.
"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.los>: Jul 26 12:06PM +0300

That means French strawberries at Wimbledon. If that, why not French
clay too?
 
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jul/20/brexit-farm-labour-shortages-fruit-vegetable-harvests-national-farmers-union
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 26 03:35AM -0700

On Tuesday, 26 July 2016 10:06:23 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
> That means French strawberries at Wimbledon. If that, why not French
> clay too?
 
> https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jul/20/brexit-farm-labour-shortages-fruit-vegetable-harvests-national-farmers-union
 
HAHAAAAHAAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAHAAAHAAHHAAAAAAA!!! sour grapes
"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.los>: Jul 26 12:22PM +0300

A prospect far more threatening than Brexit is emerging: a reasonable
deal for the UK. ... This would be a grave mistake. If Britain comes out
of this looking anything less than severely diminished it will be
devastating for the EU.
 
The first argument for hurting the UK is by now well rehearsed: prevent
another reckless exit on the basis of lies. Europhobe parties across
Europe are anxious to repeat the feat of their British counterparts:
using distortions, half-truths, racism and delusional fantasies to cheat
their way to victory.
 
Call it Project Pain. When the EU starts negotiating the terms of its
divorce from the UK it must aim to inflict maximum political and
economic damage. Financial powers should be repatriated from London and
it must become nearly impossible for Asian, US or African multinationals
to continue to have their EU headquarters in the UK. Universities,
companies and cities must receive generous help to attract the best
minds from their UK rivals, for instance by offering EU passports. ...
Ideally, its economy should not get back to its pre-referendum size
before, say, 2030.
 
Especially in the past decade, the EU has been patient as the UK
government has missed no opportunity to undermine, disparage, blackmail
and even actively sabotage European politics. Push harder than anyone
for enlargement, as the UK did, then criticise the EU for being too big
and unwieldy. Pull yourself out of the coalition with Angela Merkel's
party in the European parliament to join a motley crew of Europhobe
fringe parties, as David Cameron did with his Conservatives, then claim
you are not getting anything done in the European parliament.
 
The fact is that much of the British political elite has been using the
EU as a football for their own irresponsibly petty ends.
 
Project Pain is about protecting the EU from arsonists elsewhere and
about helping British democracy reinvent itself. Were the latter to
happen this story would have at least something of a happy ending, and
we could look back on it perhaps not as Project Pain but as Project
Tough Love.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/24/eu-britain-must-suffer-for-brexit
 
Joris Luyendijk is the author of Swimming with Sharks: My Journey Into
the World of the Bankers.
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 26 03:33AM -0700

On Tuesday, 26 July 2016 10:22:32 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
 
> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/24/eu-britain-must-suffer-for-brexit
 
> Joris Luyendijk is the author of Swimming with Sharks: My Journey Into
> the World of the Bankers.
 
HAHAHHAHAAHAAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHA! Remainers still bitter and with sour grapes they lost the referendum. Juncker even had to admit yday that he can't rush anything through.
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Jul 26 04:33AM +0300

26.7.2016, 4:23, Gracchus kirjoitti:
>>> and Elizabeth Warren (I'll FINALLY see her speak, if I stay awake...)
 
>> Al Franken was pretty funny...
 
> Remembering the original SNL, it's hard to take him seriously as a politician. Plus he always reminds me of Heath Ledger's Joker (the be all and end all of all great film performances).
 
Paul Simon didn't sing Graceland stuff... then again Elvis also sang
Bridge Over Troubled Water and lived in Graceland so...
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Jul 26 06:37AM +0300

26.7.2016, 0:46, TT kirjoitti:
> Sarah Silverman (really raunchy and funny usually), Bernie Sanders (The
> dentist from Marathon Man), Michelle Obama (plagiarizing Melania Trump)
> and Elizabeth Warren (I'll FINALLY see her speak, if I stay awake...)
 
Michelle had a great speech and was brilliant.
 
Warren had brilliant speech and was great... I kinda like her Julie
Andrews as uni professor impression. If she made the speech herself
she's brilliant. She lied once, about breaking big banks... apparently a
token for stupid teens.
 
Sanders had very good speech and was good. The Sanders supporters were a
bunch of hysterical crying teen hippies. Did they think it was Elvis? :)
 
As a whole, Democrat convention is from another planet compared to
republican one... much more positive and marching the minorities to
stage didn't come off forced and fake like with Repubs. The factor which
was the same as with Repubs was talking smack about the other candidate
- with one big difference, this time it was all true. I don't think fact
checkers will have a field day with this one.
 
Surprisingly good. (apart from Berniegirls booing)
Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: Jul 25 08:43PM -0700

On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 8:37:18 PM UTC-7, TT wrote:
 
> was the same as with Repubs was talking smack about the other candidate
> - with one big difference, this time it was all true. I don't think fact
> checkers will have a field day with this one.
 
Two different flavors of bullshit. This just happens to be the one you want to swallow. I wouldn't waste my time watching either convention.
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Jul 26 06:58AM +0300

26.7.2016, 6:43, Gracchus kirjoitti:
>> - with one big difference, this time it was all true. I don't think fact
>> checkers will have a field day with this one.
 
> Two different flavors of bullshit. This just happens to be the one you want to swallow. I wouldn't waste my time watching either convention.
 
I think you were the guy crying hysterically during Bernie speech. :)
Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: Jul 25 09:12PM -0700

On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 8:58:35 PM UTC-7, TT wrote:
> >> checkers will have a field day with this one.
 
> > Two different flavors of bullshit. This just happens to be the one you want to swallow. I wouldn't waste my time watching either convention.
 
> I think you were the guy crying hysterically during Bernie speech. :)
 
Can you seriously explain why a Finn would care about this stuff when so many Americans don't? It's hard for us to relate to a national identity weak enough to piggyback like this. I've watched a lot of Scandinavian shows this past year, and it always seems like people are emulating American culture when they could just take pride in their own.
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Jul 26 07:48AM +0300

26.7.2016, 7:12, Gracchus kirjoitti:
 
>>> Two different flavors of bullshit. This just happens to be the one you want to swallow. I wouldn't waste my time watching either convention.
 
>> I think you were the guy crying hysterically during Bernie speech. :)
 
> Can you seriously explain why a Finn would care about this stuff when so many Americans don't?
 
Are you someone who answers a question with question?
 
Finns don't really care this much about US elections, I'm an exception.
I would be surprised if I bumped into ANYONE in Finland who knows as
much about this election as I do. I recall talking one election with a
free lance journalist who had been covering US elections and I damn knew
more about the topic than him...
 
I have always been interested in US pres elections, other than that I
don't follow that much US politics. Perhaps what interests me the most
is discussion on foreign politics... as for "domestic", that doesn't
really interest me but it certainly is a soap opera, over the top.
 
Never watched republican or democratic conventions before... at least
the whole night. Have watched the debates for years.
 
> It's hard for us to relate to a national identity weak enough to piggyback like this.
 
I'm not piggybacking anything. I certainly think Finland is superior in
many/most ways. But let's face it; as far as world politics goes the big
ones are ones to pay attention to, if you want to understand the world
and why stuff happens in international politics.
 
Besides, I think Finnish politics is very boring...(which most of the
time is a good thing... but doesn't really encourage to become a
political junkie)
 
> I've watched a lot of Scandinavian shows this past year, and it always seems like people are emulating American culture when they could just take pride in their own.
 
Hollywood. Pretty much same with every country... all copy or get at
least influenced by Hollywood one way or another. Plus music, fashion etc.
 
I do think white young Finnish guys trying to look and act like ghetto
black from Harlem is simply ridiculous.
 
So there.
Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: Jul 25 10:15PM -0700

On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 9:48:07 PM UTC-7, TT wrote:
 
> >> I think you were the guy crying hysterically during Bernie speech. :)
 
> > Can you seriously explain why a Finn would care about this stuff when so many Americans don't?
 
> Are you someone who answers a question with question?
 
Did you ask me one? :)
 
> really interest me but it certainly is a soap opera, over the top.
 
> Never watched republican or democratic conventions before... at least
> the whole night. Have watched the debates for years.
 
Yeah, debates in general interest me more as long as the format isn't too limiting. I find pageantry in general boring. Even if a political convention has a nominee I like, I'll usually just tune in for the acceptance speech on the final night (obviously won't this time around). And watching celebs get up and sing a candidate's praises...well, I don't really care what celebs think of politics anyway.

> least influenced by Hollywood one way or another. Plus music, fashion etc.
 
> I do think white young Finnish guys trying to look and act like ghetto
> black from Harlem is simply ridiculous.
 
I've seen people do this in China too. Even more ridiculous, especially when they try to rap. And it's funny that internationally so many countries imitate Hollywood when I think many of those countries are turning out better stuff now than modern Hollywood. Britain definitely is, and now the Danes and Swedes are making shows that are so good that the Brits are now copying them. That show "Humans" we watched for example is the British version of a Swedish series.
 
Anyway, good answer. It does shed some light on it for me.
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Jul 26 09:04AM +0200

>> black from Harlem is simply ridiculous.
 
> I've seen people do this in China too. Even more ridiculous, especially when they try to rap. And it's funny that internationally so many countries imitate Hollywood when I think many of those countries are turning out better stuff now than modern Hollywood. Britain definitely is, and now the Danes and Swedes are making shows that are so good that the Brits are now copying them. That show "Humans" we watched for example is the British version of a Swedish series.
 
> Anyway, good answer. It does shed some light on it for me.
 
Too bad he didn't tell you why so much interest in this election.
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Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au>: Jul 19 08:18PM +1000

On 18/07/2016 11:58 PM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> and I play at times at freezing temperatures, but it's very
> challenging in extreme cold because simply the ball doesn't
> bounce or move, everything is too slow.
 
That would make it a better workout, so focus on that angle.
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