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Friday, August 11, 2017

Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: Aug 11 08:44PM -0700

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 9:28:00 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> > Well, watching him yesterday, Federer NEEDS matches... because his game is loose right now...
 
> No he isn't interested plus this is bad surface and conditions to prepare for US open.
 
Fed said during his on-court interview after Agut match, "the court is playing fast"...
 
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Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Aug 11 08:38PM -0700

Sounds fun from here on in.
Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: Aug 11 08:26PM -0700

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 1:46:25 PM UTC-7, Carey wrote:
> > He is playing low percentage tennis, win or lose.
 
> Mmm. That's not what I saw, or think I saw.
 
> I still don't have a good feeling about him playing this tournament, though.
 
What I see would be best summed up as: Fed looks very marginal out there... low energy and not a lot of focus... or lets say spotty concentration... BUT CLEARLY he needed to play this week... he looks very rusty... he needs court time... his backhand has gone off line... he certainly needs matches to get that cutting edge back to his all court game...
 
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Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Aug 11 08:34PM -0700

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 8:26:32 PM UTC-7, Patrick Kehoe wrote:
 
> > I still don't have a good feeling about him playing this tournament, though.
 
> What I see would be best summed up as: Fed looks very marginal out there... low energy and not a lot of focus... or lets say spotty concentration... BUT CLEARLY he needed to play this week... he looks very rusty... he needs court time... his backhand has gone off line... he certainly needs matches to get that cutting edge back to his all court game...
 
> P
 
 
I thought Fed did pretty well at the AO this year with no tune-ups, but opinions
will vary, for sure.
Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: Aug 11 08:32PM -0700

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 9:54:13 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:
> mother should get the child until it's 8 years old as little kids
> require care and nurture and then after 8 years, the kids should
> be given to fathers to raise them properly.
 
I don't think they were married... common law... not that it matters in California... common law has most of the protections of marital status in California, on both sides...
 
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Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Aug 11 06:46PM -0700

http://rs622.pbsrc.com/albums/tt304/PltJenah/53932.gif~c200
 
Keep on going good boy!
Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: Aug 11 08:22PM -0700

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 6:46:32 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
> http://rs622.pbsrc.com/albums/tt304/PltJenah/53932.gif~c200
 
> Keep on going good boy!
 
Very exciting...
 
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Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Aug 11 06:50PM -0700

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 9:16:15 PM UTC-4, SliceAndDice wrote:
 
> Very good for tennis, if he continues like this. I really like Zverev, but his game is nowhere as exciting as Shap's.
 
I agree. Zverev is a ball-bashing giant. Shap's style is much more pleasing.
SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Aug 11 07:06PM -0700

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 9:50:09 PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote:
> On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 9:16:15 PM UTC-4, SliceAndDice wrote:
 
> > Very good for tennis, if he continues like this. I really like Zverev, but his game is nowhere as exciting as Shap's.
 
> I agree. Zverev is a ball-bashing giant. Shap's style is much more pleasing.
 
Sascha is extremely driven and is very professional in his approach to the game. Gotta respect that. His volleying has already improved by leaps and bounds since he hired Ferrero.
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Aug 11 07:08PM -0700

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 10:06:27 PM UTC-4, SliceAndDice wrote:
 
> Sascha is extremely driven and is very professional in his approach to the game. Gotta respect that. His volleying has already improved by leaps and bounds since he hired Ferrero.
 
Oh, he definitely seems driven and I do respect that.
TennisGuy <TGuy@techsavvy.com>: Aug 11 10:09PM -0400

On 8/11/2017 9:16 PM, SliceAndDice wrote:
> the final.
 
> Very good for tennis, if he continues like this. I really like
> Zverev, but his game is nowhere as exciting as Shap's.
 
Can imagine if Shap makes it to the finals along with Fed
and beats Fed there?
 
How many players on tour have ever beaten three slam winners in
one tournament, two of which are Fed and Nadal?
SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Aug 11 07:11PM -0700

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 10:09:55 PM UTC-4, TennisGuy wrote:
> and beats Fed there?
 
> How many players on tour have ever beaten three slam winners in
> one tournament, two of which are Fed and Nadal?
 
Canada would erupt..
Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: Aug 11 08:20PM -0700

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 7:11:23 PM UTC-7, SliceAndDice wrote:
 
> > How many players on tour have ever beaten three slam winners in
> > one tournament, two of which are Fed and Nadal?
 
> Canada would erupt..
 
Canada and certainly the Kehoe ranch already exploded... :)
 
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TennisGuy <TGuy@techsavvy.com>: Aug 11 11:02PM -0400

(Shap and Zverev)
 
Yeah yeah, I know they are officially Canadian and German, but we all
know they are really Russians at the core.
 
Could this be some sort of conspiracy?
Could Trump have something to do with this?
SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Aug 11 08:11PM -0700

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 11:03:23 PM UTC-4, TennisGuy wrote:
> know they are really Russians at the core.
 
> Could this be some sort of conspiracy?
> Could Trump have something to do with this?
 
There are a host of promising "actual" Russians as well: Rublev, Khachanov and Medvedev. The Russians are indeed coming and how..
Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: Aug 11 08:18PM -0700

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 8:03:23 PM UTC-7, TennisGuy wrote:
> (Shap and Zverev)
 
> Yeah yeah, I know they are officially Canadian and German, but we all
> know they are really Russians at the core.
 
???????????????????????????
 
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Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Aug 11 07:26PM -0700

Coupla days ago:
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2017/08/06/alexander-zverev-might-be-tenniss-heir-to-the-big-four-enjoy-him-in-this-moment/?utm_term=.1085c3116d13
SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Aug 11 08:09PM -0700

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 10:26:48 PM UTC-4, Carey wrote:
> Coupla days ago:
 
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2017/08/06/alexander-zverev-might-be-tenniss-heir-to-the-big-four-enjoy-him-in-this-moment/?utm_term=.1085c3116d13
 
If Zverev and Nadal meet each other in current form, I think Nadal is toast.
 
I am very tempted to make Sascha the second favorite in New York (at this time), but his relatively poor record at the Slams so far gives me pause.
SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Aug 11 07:10PM -0700

I am struck by how quickly and efficiently he has been plugging the holes in his game. Seeing him as a genuine US Open contender this year.
acoustic@panix.com (lo yeeOn): Aug 12 02:04AM

US and South Korea to stage huge military exercise despite North Korea
crisis
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/11/north-korea-us-south-korea-huge-military-exercise
 
Tens of thousands of troops to take part in joint drill this month,
while Trump adds to war of words with `locked and loaded' tweet
 
US and South Korean militaries will go ahead with massive sea, land
and air exercises later this month, despite a spiralling situation
in which North Korea has threatened to fire missiles towards a US
Pacific territory.
 
The annual joint exercises, named Ulchi-Freedom Guardian, have long
been planned for 21-31 August, but now come at a time when both
Washington and Pyongyang are on heightened alert, raising the
spectre of a mishap or overreaction.
 
The timing is doubly concerning as it is within a timeframe in which
Pyongyang says it will be ready to fire four Hwasong-12
intermediate-range ballistic missiles toward the US-run island of
Guam, an unusually specific threat against the US.
 
Washington and Seoul say the exercises, involving tens of thousands
of American and South Korean troops, are a deterrent against North
Korean aggression.
 
In the past, the practices are believed to have included
"decapitation strikes"
 
Trump kept the pressure up with a tweet on Friday morning
threatening Pyongyang but indicating he wanted to avoid hostilities:
 
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Military solutions are now fully in place,locked and loaded,should
North Korea act unwisely. Hopefully Kim Jong Un will find another
path! 4:29 AM - Aug 11, 2017
 
Note the words "Hopefully Kim Jong Un will find another path!"
 
What does Trump mean by "another path"? To me, he is talking about
North Korea's pursuit of nuclear deterrence for self-defense, which he
has said in the past that he would not allow.
 
But that would mean that Trump was hinting at launching a first strike
against North Korea even without the latter starting a war first -
which is a key condition for China to come to its neighbor's aid in
case of aggression.
 
And Trump is probably thinking that the joint-military exercise with
Japanese and South Korean forces would provide camouflage for a
surprise attack a la "decapitation". Since North Korea's hands will
be tied by Trump's "if you do anything to us" warning, it will not be
able to stop any US strike soon enough by attacking the launching
sites such as Guam, for example. [China can't help NK because it's
bound by its pledge to stay neutral if NK launches an attack first -
which would include its preemptive strike on Guam, for example.]
 
And China won't be able to stop the regime change, even though a
People's Daily publication claims that China would try to prevent the
US from executing its regime-changing war.
 
China and Russia will all be helpless. And there will be no North
Korea afterwards. And American Exceptionalism will remain intact and
unchallenged!
 
So, is Trump a military geniius or what?
 
My guess is, Trump will succeed at this phase but fail more miserably
than G W Bush did vis-a-vis the attack of Iraq, afterwards.
 
There will be a tremendous "day-after" mess that he can't deal with.
The Korean peninsula will be a mess and that mess will spread to the
US continent eventually just as the Libyan mess eventually spread to
Europe.
 
lo yeeOn
 
1) China's strongest effort to date with respect to the Korean crisis.
 
[It might sound Solomonic on paper but it will fall miserably short as
I explained above. lo yeeOn]
 
https://www.rt.com/news/399310-china-prevent-us-strike-nkorea/
 
China will prevent the US and South Korea from carrying out strikes on
North Korea and trying to overthrow the leadership there, but will
remain neutral if Pyongyang launches missiles at American targets
first, the state-run Global Times said.
 
The warning, delivered through an editorial in the Chinese state-run
newspaper on Thursday, comes as both the US and North Korea continue
to exchange incendiary remarks, raising the risk of overreaction or
miscalculation amid the crisis.
 
Beijing should make it clear that "if North Korea launches missiles
that threaten US soil first and the US retaliates, China will stay
neutral," the Global Times wrote.
 
But if the US and its ally South Korea take on Pyongyang and try to
"overthrow the North Korean regime and change the political pattern of
the Korean Peninsula, China will prevent them from doing so," the
paper stressed.
 
The widely-quoted newspaper, published by the Communist Party's
official People's Daily, also noted that the latest developments are
seen in Beijing with growing frustration and deep concern.
 
"If war really breaks out, the US can hardly reap any strategic
harvest and "North Korea will face unprecedented risks," the paper
cautioned. "North Korea aims to propel the US to negotiate with it,
while the US wants to put North Korea in check."
 
Beijing was unable "to persuade Washington or Pyongyang to back down
at this time," the Global Times said, adding it primarily pursues
peace and stability in the region. All sides involved in the crisis
should understand that "when their actions jeopardize China's
interests, China will respond with a firm hand," the government paper
explained.
 
China ... reiterated on Friday that all sides involved in the crisis
must "speak and act with caution" as well as build up trust rather
than "taking turns in shows of strength," according to a Foreign
Ministry statement quoted by Reuters.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
2) https://www.rt.com/news/399310-china-prevent-us-strike-nkorea/
 
China will prevent the US and South Korea from carrying out strikes on
North Korea and trying to overthrow the leadership there, but will
remain neutral if Pyongyang launches missiles at American targets
first, the state-run Global Times said.
 
The warning, delivered through an editorial in the Chinese state-run
newspaper on Thursday, comes as both the US and North Korea continue
to exchange incendiary remarks, raising the risk of overreaction or
miscalculation amid the crisis.
 
Beijing should make it clear that "if North Korea launches missiles
that threaten US soil first and the US retaliates, China will stay
neutral," the Global Times wrote.
 
But if the US and its ally South Korea take on Pyongyang and try to
"overthrow the North Korean regime and change the political pattern of
the Korean Peninsula, China will prevent them from doing so," the
paper stressed.
 
The widely-quoted newspaper, published by the Communist Party's
official People's Daily, also noted that the latest developments are
seen in Beijing with growing frustration and deep concern.
 
"If war really breaks out, the US can hardly reap any strategic
harvest and "North Korea will face unprecedented risks," the paper
cautioned. "North Korea aims to propel the US to negotiate with it,
while the US wants to put North Korea in check."
 
Beijing was unable "to persuade Washington or Pyongyang to back down
at this time," the Global Times said, adding it primarily pursues
peace and stability in the region. All sides involved in the crisis
should understand that "when their actions jeopardize China's
interests, China will respond with a firm hand," the government paper
explained.
 
China ... reiterated on Friday that all sides involved in the crisis
must "speak and act with caution" as well as build up trust rather
than "taking turns in shows of strength," according to a Foreign
Ministry statement quoted by Reuters.
TennisGuy <TGuy@techsavvy.com>: Aug 11 09:29PM -0400

On 8/11/2017 5:35 PM, *skriptis wrote:
> <https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6Nhs87aBbtw>
 
> This is a real war threat, not Kim's toy missile.
 
This is an example of someone going to town with
an ever day expression we all use.
 
Federer's going to kill player 'x'.
Or Nadal is going to kill player 'y'.
 
Does that mean these players are really going to kill
players 'x' and 'y'?
 
Having said that, I'd love to see Mudd say
this verbatim "The deep state is going to kill Trump".
soccerfan777 <zepfloyes@gmail.com>: Aug 11 02:16PM -0700

Those who advocate for peace are not cowards, dipshit!
soccerfan777 <zepfloyes@gmail.com>: Aug 11 02:17PM -0700

Pakistan is more likely to nuke India.
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Aug 11 11:21PM +0200

> Those who advocate for peace are not cowards, dipshit!
 
 
In what way are you advocating for peace more than other guys
here, myself included?
 
Spreading panic/fear around is not advocating for peace. It helps
to bolster hate and warmongering actually.
 
 
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The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Aug 11 10:51AM -0700

Try and get a grant for researching into whether man made global warming is false and see how far you get. It's laughable cos you know the truth, it's a big con, all about $$$ in grants and nothing else, it's political - the Libs are obsessed with it cos it their attempt to say man's in control + it's anti-industry and Western world.
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