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Sunday, August 13, 2017

joh <joshorst@gmail.com>: Aug 13 12:11AM -0700

Op zondag 13 augustus 2017 05:03:43 UTC+2 schreef *skriptis:
 
> lol
 
> And you know that how exactly?
> --
 
He's too busy playing golf to hire people
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/12/donald-trump-rhetoric-on-north-korea-echoes-loudly-in-void-of-us-diplomacy
 
calimero377@gmx.de: Aug 13 01:01AM -0700

On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 2:35:57 AM UTC+2, TT wrote:
 
> Can it be done with nukes then... without destroying the whole country
> and millions of innocent people...
 
> The correct path would be negotiations but Trump hasn't even tried!
 
 
You mean because negotiations with NK have had so much success in the last 25 years, right?
 
 
Max
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Aug 13 02:28AM -0700

On Friday, 11 August 2017 21:13:40 UTC+1, soccerfan777 wrote:
 
> > All in all, Kim is doing well politically, but personally he
> > should go on a diet.
 
> BS. Germany invading Poland started a World War. Once nukes go flying it is matter of time, every nation starts using them against their enemies.
 
LOL you CND types in the 80's claimed unilateral disarmament meant we'd be left out of a nuclear war!
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Aug 13 02:28AM -0700

On Friday, 11 August 2017 21:49:15 UTC+1, soccerfan777 wrote:
> If NK use nuclear weapons and US retaliates with nuclear, all bets are off. Iran, Pakistan, Israel and India and Russia follow suit
 
so you actually reckon there's going to be a nuclear war cos of Trump?!
Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: Aug 12 10:01PM -0700

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 9:24:29 AM UTC-7, RaspingDrive wrote:
 
> > Exactly. Fed can just play the slams if he wants - maybe 1 tune-up
> > before each slam for fun.
 
> Good that he doesn't rely on advise from folks of your type. He would have fewer slams than 19!
 
Feds said today that there was 'a debate among the team" (as to weather to play in Montreal or not) and he's happy he made the decision to come to Canada (Montreal)... He mentioned in the French presser today that the transition to hard court from grass was more difficult that he expected. He said his timing on the backhand was not "where its been so far this season" and he's had a chance to work it out. During the on court interview after his semi final win AND in the media center presser he said that the court was playing fast and that will help him for later in the hardcourt season.
 
[Also in French] he stated - twice he mentioned - that he was tired of practice games and was getting frustrated just practicing. He felt his game needed match sharpening (and that became all to obvious in rounds 2, 3) and that's exactly what happened.
 
Zverev feels he's building off what he's already acheived so far this season and happily he's giving himself a lot of chances to win titles and gain big match experience... that's been critical for him this year - 4 titles and a masters level among them, of course... you can see he's just growing by the week/event... the sky is the limit for this kid!
 
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PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Aug 13 02:17AM -0700

> Feds said today that there was 'a debate among the team" (as to weather to play in Montreal or not) and he's happy he made the decision to come to Canada (Montreal)... He mentioned in the French presser today that the transition to hard court from grass was more difficult that he
 
Very difficult :) he is the final, also he won the AO coming from 6 months break.
 
 
> expected. He said his timing on the backhand was not "where its been so far this season" and he's had a chance to work it out. During the on court interview after his semi final win AND in the media center presser he said that the court was playing fast and that will help him for later in the hardcourt season.
 
[Also in French] he stated - twice he mentioned - that he was tired of practice games and was getting frustrated just practicing. He felt his game needed match sharpening (and that became all to obvious in rounds 2, 3) and that's exactly what happened.
 
Yes he has been practicing too much winning two slams, two masters, one 500 :)
 
> Zverev feels he's building off what he's already acheived so far this season and happily he's giving himself a lot of chances to win titles and gain big match experience... that's been critical for him this year - 4 titles and a masters level among them, of course... you can see he's just growing by the week/event... the sky is the limit for this kid!
 
Zverev has better stats in this tournament than Federer's, so it will be all about if Federer can diffuse his serve or not.
calimero377@gmx.de: Aug 13 01:11AM -0700

On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 2:38:59 AM UTC+2, TT wrote:
 
> > 20 years ago the USA could have ended the DPRK easily.
 
> > Max
 
> How?
 
Ended their nuclear program I mean.
 
 
Max
calimero377@gmx.de: Aug 13 01:12AM -0700

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 11:45:19 PM UTC+2, TennisGuy wrote:
> > This mademan Kim who executes his adversaries with artillery guns?
 
> > Max
 
> Reading conspiracy theories again Max? LOL!
 
What conspiracy?
 
 
Max
alinefx@alinefx.com: Aug 12 08:42PM -0700

Now you're just relegated to woulda-coulda-shoulda when it comes to nadal cos reality is 180 degrees reversed and he's just utter shit now.
 
#20 > #15
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Aug 12 09:13PM -0700

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 11:02:06 PM UTC-4, *skriptis wrote:
> at the door of the highest achievement in terms of defending
> titles. Didn't make it in the end. So would have defending Doha
> or Indian Wells made such a difference now?
 
Nadal is the only guy who had to compete against two 10 plus slam winners and still secured 15. Dominated Federer, was in turn dominated by Djok but eventually was able to beat him at USO, his supposed weaker surface. One of the goat contenders for sure. All this one-trick pony business are bogus things. No offense meant to Ahonkan. I say he should concentrate on FO and get four or five more. Seriously.
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Aug 12 09:15PM -0700

On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 12:13:38 AM UTC-4, RaspingDrive wrote:
> > titles. Didn't make it in the end. So would have defending Doha
> > or Indian Wells made such a difference now?
 
> Nadal is the only guy who had to compete against two 10 plus slam winners and still secured 15. Dominated Federer, was in turn dominated by Djok but eventually was able to beat him at USO, his supposed weaker surface. One of the goat contenders for sure. All this one-trick pony business are bogus things. No offense meant to Ahonkan. I say he should concentrate on FO and get four or five more. Seriously.
 
I mean two 10 plus slam winners in their prime. Djok had his share of challenge too, but by the time he emerged the top dog Federer was largely dilapidated.
joh <joshorst@gmail.com>: Aug 12 11:59PM -0700

Op zondag 13 augustus 2017 05:02:06 UTC+2 schreef *skriptis:
> at the door of the highest achievement in terms of defending
> titles. Didn't make it in the end. So would have defending Doha
> or Indian Wells made such a difference now?
 
wow
John Liang <jliang70@gmail.com>: Aug 13 12:34AM -0700

On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 1:02:06 PM UTC+10, *skriptis wrote:
 
> > So if he had this peak superiority, why could Nadal *never in his career*, peak
> > or otherwise, defend a single title off of his beloved dirt?
 
> Let's be honest about it, excluding slams, it's a bogus stat anyway.
 
Let's face it , he has not defend a single non clay court tournament in his whole career. It is not a bogus stat but a fact.
 
> where you meet most top players.
 
> In Nadal's case, due to his seasonal dynamics and on-off periods
> it just didn't happen.
 
Pretty bad excuses. The guys was good for about 3 months of the year in most part of his career.

 
> But remember if Djokovic hadn't gone mad in 2011, Nadal most
> likely defends FO-Wim-USO 2010-11.
 
Most like do not count, if Djoker is not around Fed would probably have 10 Wimbledon right now. So many coulda, woulda for all three of them.
 
 
John Liang <jliang70@gmail.com>: Aug 13 12:38AM -0700

On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 2:13:38 PM UTC+10, RaspingDrive wrote:
> > titles. Didn't make it in the end. So would have defending Doha
> > or Indian Wells made such a difference now?
 
> Nadal is the only guy who had to compete against two 10 plus slam winners and still secured 15. Dominated Federer, was in turn dominated by Djok but eventually was able to beat him at USO, his supposed weaker surface. One of the goat contenders for sure. All this one-trick pony business are bogus things. No offense meant to Ahonkan. I say he should concentrate on FO and get four or five more. Seriously.
 
And much of his dominance over Federer and Djoker in slam were built on clay, he won 5 of his slam on hc/gc inferior to his main rivals who had 18 and 11 slam titles on HC/GC, Nadal is clearly not the best HC/GC player in this era and Federer/Djoker are better than him on those two surfaces.
"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.com>: Aug 13 10:33AM +0300

On 13.8.2017 1:38, Court_1 wrote:
> line is their record at the USO is 3-3 and Djokovic's wins over
> Federer at the USO didn't come until 2010 and beyond when Federer
> was 29+.
 
You mean the same guy at 29 who's winning slams at 39? That's the worst
fanboi excuse in the history of fanboikind.
 
--
"Donald Trump is the weak man's vision of a strong man."
-- Charles Cooke
"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.com>: Aug 13 10:23AM +0300

On 13.8.2017 3:32, TT wrote:
> Trump and Kim leave it at that.
 
> And if they do leave it at that then what did Trump achieve other than
> worsen the already poor relationship between the two countries.
 
Kept Mueller off the front pages?
 
--
"Donald Trump is the weak man's vision of a strong man."
-- Charles Cooke
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Aug 12 09:07PM -0700

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 10:27:08 PM UTC-4, Carey wrote:
 
> > You don't think Nadal self destructed? Next time they play will reveal the dynamics. Now Zverev is serving for the first set.
 
> Not based on watching their TB once... if you find a link that includes
> the TB, post it and I'll look again (I couldn't find one just now).
 
After a cursory search on YouTube I was unable to locate a link. Saw it on ESPN2 after the Fed vs Haase match.
Tuan <phamquangtuan48@gmail.com>: Aug 12 09:59PM -0700

On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 7:10:12 AM UTC+10, RaspingDrive wrote:
> On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 5:01:23 PM UTC-4, Carey wrote:
> > ...was clutch. So deep and spinny. Mighta won him the match.
 
> Just watched the third set tiebreak. Nadal played poorly.
 
Nadal always plays poorly in deciding games, final set tiebreaks and other vital moments. He's weak mentally, but that has been masked by his athletic prowess.
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com>: Aug 13 06:31AM

On Sat, 12 Aug 2017 21:59:18 -0700, Tuan wrote:
 
> He's weak mentally, but that has been masked by his athletic prowess.
 
That and the incessant slobbering, growling, sneering and barking "Vamos"
during these moments.
Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: Aug 12 10:42PM -0700

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 7:07:37 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:
> 1 - Robredo (0+0+1+0)
> 1 - Ferrer (0+0+1+0)
> 1 - Zverev (0+0+1+0)
 
Federer: 19 - 6 - 26 - 0 [93 ATP Titles]
Rafa: 15 - 0 - 30 [73 ATP Titles, 1 Olympic Singles Gold]
Nole: 12 - 5- 30 [68 ATP Titles]
Andy: 3 - 1- 14 [45 ATP Titles, 2 Olympic Singles Gold]
Stan: 3 - 0 - 1 [16 ATP Tiltes]
Cilic: 1 - 0 - 1 [17 ATP Titles]
Delpo: 1 - 0 - 0 [19 ATP Titles]
Ferrer: 0 - 0- 1 [27 ATP Titles]
Haas: 0 - 0- 1 [15 ATP Titles]
Berdych: 0 - 0 - 1 [13 ATP Titles]
Robredo: 0 - 0 - 1 [12 ATP Titles]
++ Next Gen: Zverev: 0 - 0 - 1 [5 ATP Titles]
 
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Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: Aug 12 10:07PM -0700

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 10:34:06 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:
 
> I agree Rafa's prospects aren't looking great atm. He'll need to find a
> way to get into beast mode. We know he's capable - the fun part is
> seeing if he actually does it or limps out.
 
Ya, among the press, there was a kind of surprize at Rafa's attitude all week in Canada... It had some wondering if there wasn't something else going on with Rafa; needless to say, losing to a teenager just kept him in a temper; missing out on getting back to #1 (for now) almost had him boiling over... AND YET, no one could find out anything solid as to why Rafa was so agitated all week in Canada. The issue has some of the guys I know in the press looking out for Rafa when they go to Cincinnati... its becoming a bit of a back story... is it just the pressure at the prospect at getting back to #1 or are there other issues behind the scenes... so far no one has sused it out...
 
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Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: Aug 12 09:46PM -0700

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 11:31:08 PM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:
> > > Rafa fans!
 
> > 2017 might well be the end for both of them... I know they both have that Zombie thing happening with their games; realistically though, enough quality emerging now to suggest they will have more and more unexpected challenges moving forward... the only MASSIVE possibility is IF, and who really knows, IF Murray and Nole don't recoop soonish, then there MIGHT be a window for them in the first half of 2018... still, even these halcyon days will have to see sunsets at some point...
 
> you've been saying this same thing for over 10 years now, think you'd consider something different, but nope. Nadal/Fed finalists at AO, Fed wins Wimbledon without losing a set, same thing lol
 
Icey Fakenews at its best... :)))
 
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Jason White <infiniti_g35_guy88@yahoo.com>: Aug 12 10:01PM -0700

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 11:33:19 AM UTC-7, StephenJ wrote:
> era gets discounted or is viewed as non-comparable.
 
> You really think that if Rafa and Fed both finish with 19 slams that one
> of them will be regarded as the undisputed goat?
 
How many athletes reach undisputed level? I think there will always been a leaning towards Federer for his mix of titles and style of play. He will be regarded as the "goat" by more people, unless Nadal can win more slams on other surfaces. It would take something in the ballpark of two more Wimbledons and two more US Opens to win people over. That's the general sense I get.
Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: Aug 12 09:48PM -0700

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 1:36:32 PM UTC-7, Jason White wrote:
> On some level, these must be judgment calls from the scorers. Or does simply approaching the net for any reason make the point a net point?
 
Even stepping into mid court and hitting through the ball, taking that next step seems to be scored a 'net point' today...
 
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TennisGuy <TGuy@techsavvy.com>: Aug 12 11:49PM -0400

On 8/12/2017 7:59 PM, TT wrote:
 
>> Could this be some sort of conspiracy?
>> Could Trump have something to do with this?
 
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060921/reference
 
 
Good catch TT, I didn't think anyone would notice. LOL!
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