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Sunday, July 16, 2017

PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Jul 16 05:42PM -0700

> Fed said in mid-June that he'd be playing a full schedule for the rest of the
year, though I guess interpretations of that can vary. My take is that he
*does* want the YE #1.
 
I know he said this but I think this will change if he won the USO.
 
Actually I am worried he may lose motivation to continue playing if he won the USO.
 
What will be left that he needs to achieve?
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Jul 16 05:45PM -0700

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 8:42:45 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:
 
> I know he said this but I think this will change if he won the USO.
 
> Actually I am worried he may lose motivation to continue playing if he won the USO.
 
> What will be left that he needs to achieve?
 
A sixth AO and a ninth (just to be safe) W?
Darkfalz <darkfalz.public@gmail.com>: Jul 16 05:38PM -0700

On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 9:27:10 AM UTC+10, Jason White wrote:
> What looked inevitable one year ago looks doubtful at the moment. I'll vote yes, but the elbow thing is concerning.
 
I think he's more likely to win slams again than Murray. The resurgence of Nadal and Federer is interesting, but it doesn't mean they are any younger. Djokovic has lost self belief. Not sure what's going on with his body injury wise. His chances of overtaking Federer or even Nadal are looking very slim.
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Jul 16 05:40PM -0700

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 7:27:10 PM UTC-4, Jason White wrote:
> What looked inevitable one year ago looks doubtful at the moment. I'll vote yes, but the elbow thing is concerning.
 
Difficult. So I would vote no.
SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Jul 16 05:43PM -0700

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 7:27:10 PM UTC-4, Jason White wrote:
> What looked inevitable one year ago looks doubtful at the moment. I'll vote yes, but the elbow thing is concerning.
 
If he gets out of his weird funk, yes he can. But the younger generation is catching up, Fed and Nadal are still playing well. His chances keep diminishing the more he allows this to go on. That said, a few months out of tennis, a la Federer, should help refresh his mental faculties.
Jason White <infiniti_g35_guy88@yahoo.com>: Jul 16 04:17PM -0700

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 3:59:45 PM UTC-7, undecided wrote:
 
> > This is eerily similar to your dumbass prediction of Rafa beating Fed at Wimbledon in straights this year, based on the FO and their h2h history... Just ignore all the 'irrelevant' stuff that happened this year (like Roger totally owning Rafa this year on less favorable surfaces than grass).
 
> > Both destined to fail, epically, although I hope they do meet in the USO final.
 
> I also had Rafa beating Fed in the final in Hops Contest. I was hoping for a 5 set thriller though. It would have been a glorious match, the #1 and #2 both in great form meeting in the final. Rafa had to go and fuck it all up for me.
 
 
Federer/Nadal finals typically produce five-seters, which is why people love to see them play. Everyone was hoping for a competitive match today also. Could have been, if it weren't for the foot. Didn't get a nailbiting tiebreaker. Maybe next time.
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Jul 16 05:36PM -0700

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 6:59:45 PM UTC-4, undecided wrote:
 
> > This is eerily similar to your dumbass prediction of Rafa beating Fed at Wimbledon in straights this year, based on the FO and their h2h history... Just ignore all the 'irrelevant' stuff that happened this year (like Roger totally owning Rafa this year on less favorable surfaces than grass).
 
> > Both destined to fail, epically, although I hope they do meet in the USO final.
 
> I also had Rafa beating Fed in the final in Hops Contest. I was hoping for a 5 set thriller though. It would have been a glorious match, the #1 and #2 both in great form meeting in the final. Rafa had to go and fuck it all up for me.
 
Don't bet on Rafa on grass. He will raise your hopes only to leave you disheartened.
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Jul 16 05:39PM -0700

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 7:17:12 PM UTC-4, Jason White wrote:
 
> > > Both destined to fail, epically, although I hope they do meet in the USO final.
 
> > I also had Rafa beating Fed in the final in Hops Contest. I was hoping for a 5 set thriller though. It would have been a glorious match, the #1 and #2 both in great form meeting in the final. Rafa had to go and fuck it all up for me.
 
> Federer/Nadal finals typically produce five-seters, which is why people love to see them play. Everyone was hoping for a competitive match today also. Could have been, if it weren't for the foot. Didn't get a nailbiting tiebreaker. Maybe next time.
 
Part of that may be due to Federer's mindset, explained by himself in today's interview: He thought he was going to lose the third set!
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com>: Jul 17 12:42AM

On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 17:36:29 -0700, RaspingDrive wrote:
 
 
> Don't bet on Rafa on grass. He will raise your hopes only to leave you
> disheartened.
 
Like Nishi on all surfaces?
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com>: Jul 17 12:15AM

On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 17:10:18 -0700, RaspingDrive wrote:
 
> On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 8:06:41 PM UTC-4, jdeluise wrote:
 
>> Jaros said he had a 45% chance.
 
> Didn't he also say that Cilic will crush Federer?
 
Probably. Jaros types always have to be right.
undecided <costasz@gmail.com>: Jul 16 05:19PM -0700

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 8:05:27 PM UTC-4, RaspingDrive wrote:
> On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 5:15:49 PM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:
> > Some Fedfans saying Fed was in amazing form etc I disagree cos he was hardly freakin pushed, he barely tried anything special servingwise in the final cos he didn't have to, also his movement was that remarkable, he upped it a bit at the end in the 3rd set, but only cos he wanted to finish it. A couple more matches and Nadal would've easily won against the level played today!
 
> This Federer was sufficient to bag the record 8th W. If needed, however, Federer would've have raised his level to deal with Nadal. Like at the AO 2017.
 
Maybe. My point is that it would have been awesome to see. Who can argue that Fed vs Nadal finals are not great spectacles?
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Jul 16 05:31PM -0700

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 8:19:44 PM UTC-4, undecided wrote:
> > > Some Fedfans saying Fed was in amazing form etc I disagree cos he was hardly freakin pushed, he barely tried anything special servingwise in the final cos he didn't have to, also his movement was that remarkable, he upped it a bit at the end in the 3rd set, but only cos he wanted to finish it. A couple more matches and Nadal would've easily won against the level played today!
 
> > This Federer was sufficient to bag the record 8th W. If needed, however, Federer would've have raised his level to deal with Nadal. Like at the AO 2017.
 
> Maybe. My point is that it would have been awesome to see. Who can argue that Fed vs Nadal finals are not great spectacles?
 
Maybe it will happen at USO 2017.
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Jul 16 05:32PM -0700

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 8:15:04 PM UTC-4, jdeluise wrote:
 
> >> Jaros said he had a 45% chance.
 
> > Didn't he also say that Cilic will crush Federer?
 
> Probably. Jaros types always have to be right.
 
I have had occasions to note that.
SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Jul 16 05:40PM -0700

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 6:58:03 PM UTC-4, undecided wrote:
> > Those. Years.
 
> > LNC
 
> Of course. But really, other than Rafa, who else could have given Fed trouble in the final today? Did you guys enjoy one of the ugliest slam finals I have ever seen?
 
Exaggerate much? Cilic was injured, still won more games than Stan did against Nadal last month.
michael.cunanan@gmail.com: Jul 16 05:35PM -0700

> https://www.datalounge.com/thread/19274348-why-aren-t-the-women-s-tennis-matches-best-of-5-like-the-men-s-matches-
 
> Women certainly have the stamina to go a maximum of five matches, so there's no physical reason for this disparity. Plus, if a woman wins in straight sets, the match seems too short. Expanding to a best of 5 would add a lot of excitement to the game.
 
I've argued they should be BO5 from semis onwards in slams. No more women's finals over in less than an hour.
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Jul 16 05:19PM -0700

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 7:49:56 PM UTC-4, Carey wrote:
> On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 3:56:22 PM UTC-7, undecided wrote:
 
> > Yeah, he shouldn't have lost that one. He basically fucked around for 2 sets before he got serious.
 
> Interesting. And your explanation for N's early losses in the five previous years?
 
Not to forget W 2010 when Petzchner (sp?) almost got him. That was a time when Nadal was supposedly at the peak of his powers! The truth may be that his game is not tailored for continued success on grass -- there being only so much success that growls snarls etc combined with aura can produce on a GC. Mostly Brown-types will have a hearty laugh 'drop-shotting' him on their way to a win. Next year perhaps he should skip FO and practice rigorously on GCs in Mallorca for about three months. He may then be competitive in the early rounds at W.
undecided <costasz@gmail.com>: Jul 16 05:21PM -0700

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 8:19:02 PM UTC-4, RaspingDrive wrote:
 
> > > Yeah, he shouldn't have lost that one. He basically fucked around for 2 sets before he got serious.
 
> > Interesting. And your explanation for N's early losses in the five previous years?
 
> Not to forget W 2010 when Petzchner (sp?) almost got him. That was a time when Nadal was supposedly at the peak of his powers! The truth may be that his game is not tailored for continued success on grass -- there being only so much success that growls snarls etc combined with aura can produce on a GC. Mostly Brown-types will have a hearty laugh 'drop-shotting' him on their way to a win. Next year perhaps he should skip FO and practice rigorously on GCs in Mallorca for about three months. He may then be competitive in the early rounds at W.
 
You guys don't need to be dicks with Nadal. He has 2 wimbies and made a lot of finals. Some other guys would call that a career. You have to recognize that although his game is not suited to grass, by sheer will and effort he accomplished a lot on that surface.
undecided <costasz@gmail.com>: Jul 16 05:24PM -0700

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 7:49:56 PM UTC-4, Carey wrote:
> On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 3:56:22 PM UTC-7, undecided wrote:
 
> > Yeah, he shouldn't have lost that one. He basically fucked around for 2 sets before he got serious.
 
> Interesting. And your explanation for N's early losses in the five previous years?
 
Come on man, everyone except 1 guy loses at Wimbledon each year. We know his game is not suited to grass and yet he has achieved more there than most players dream of achieving. This year, his game looked great even on grass. He poor ROS got exposed by Muller but Muller was the exact stereotypical bad match up for him on grass. Had he gotten past Muller I am confident that he would have been in the final against Fed and we would have seen an awesome final.
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Jul 16 05:26PM -0700

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 8:21:52 PM UTC-4, undecided wrote:
 
> > > Interesting. And your explanation for N's early losses in the five previous years?
 
> > Not to forget W 2010 when Petzchner (sp?) almost got him. That was a time when Nadal was supposedly at the peak of his powers! The truth may be that his game is not tailored for continued success on grass -- there being only so much success that growls snarls etc combined with aura can produce on a GC. Mostly Brown-types will have a hearty laugh 'drop-shotting' him on their way to a win. Next year perhaps he should skip FO and practice rigorously on GCs in Mallorca for about three months. He may then be competitive in the early rounds at W.
 
> You guys don't need to be dicks with Nadal. He has 2 wimbies and made a lot of finals. Some other guys would call that a career. You have to recognize that although his game is not suited to grass, by sheer will and effort he accomplished a lot on that surface.
 
Just offering the helpful insight that it has not been easy for Nadal even during his best years. If by sheer will and effort Nadal can achieve more on GC, by all means let him practice hard for about three months in Mallorca as suggested.
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Jul 16 05:28PM -0700

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 8:24:47 PM UTC-4, undecided wrote:
 
> > > Yeah, he shouldn't have lost that one. He basically fucked around for 2 sets before he got serious.
 
> > Interesting. And your explanation for N's early losses in the five previous years?
 
> Come on man, everyone except 1 guy loses at Wimbledon each year. We know his game is not suited to grass and yet he has achieved more there than most players dream of achieving. This year, his game looked great even on grass. He poor ROS got exposed by Muller but Muller was the exact stereotypical bad match up for him on grass. Had he gotten past Muller I am confident that he would have been in the final against Fed and we would have seen an awesome final.
 
Be mindful he would have crossed paths with a blister-less Cilic before the final.
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com>: Jul 17 12:32AM

On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 17:24:45 -0700, undecided wrote:
 
> stereotypical bad match up for him on grass. Had he gotten past Muller I
> am confident that he would have been in the final against Fed and we
> would have seen an awesome final.
 
You sound bitter.
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Jul 16 05:23PM -0700

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 6:36:28 PM UTC-4, kaennorsing wrote:
 
> > > It already is more than sweet right now. It's hard to comprehend. Now if he also wins the USO let's just make him king of the world or something. :))
 
> > Were this anybody else, I'd be very suspicious of the results and start looking for chemical explanations. The fact that I don't believe PEDs are a factor--and I don't think anyone else does either--speaks very highly of how Federer is regarded.
 
> Agreed, although I wouldn't say anyone (there is one around here). It's because it's clear to see how his backhand is technically better this year, which has helped his entire game become more offensive and efficient. Then his confidence was built up from the start of the year... And so a fit, well rested Federer full of confidence is just something else.
 
It helps though that Djok and Murray are not at their best.
alinefx@alinefx.com: Jul 16 05:14PM -0700

Apologies. Sorry, seeing that iceberg come unhinged got me a little on edge. You're right, a nadal beat down would have been epic. It's coming up tho, at the USO. TT, Berg boi and whisperer are all concocting new realities to match up with actual reality.
Giovanna <giovanapel@bol.com.br>: Jul 16 04:18PM -0700

Rogi surely feels our unconditional love and support
Giovanna <giovanapel@bol.com.br>: Jul 16 04:15PM -0700

The Wimbledon King! The GOAT!!
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