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Tuesday, July 11, 2017

Brian W Lawrence <brian_w_lawrence@msn.com>: Jul 11 12:47PM +0100

On 10/07/2017 09:23, The Iceberg wrote:
 
> Fed's had such a tough time against absolute nobodies, fixed draw as usual.
 
How was it fixed?
 
Do you understand how the draw works?
 
 
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The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 11 06:13AM -0700

On Tuesday, 11 July 2017 12:47:18 UTC+1, Brian W Lawrence wrote:
 
> > Fed's had such a tough time against absolute nobodies, fixed draw as usual.
 
> How was it fixed?
 
> Do you understand how the draw works?
 
yes they fix it to give Fed the easiest ride possible. A few years ago, even the Fedfans laughed at how easy they'd made the draw for him. It's cos of $$$ and audience.
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Jul 11 06:22AM -0700

> yes they fix it to give Fed the easiest ride possible. A few years ago, even the Fedfans laughed at how easy they'd made the draw for him. It's cos of $$$ and audience.
 
 
Get over it, nadal lost.
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Jul 11 06:42AM -0700

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 9:22:32 AM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> > yes they fix it to give Fed the easiest ride possible. A few years ago, even the Fedfans laughed at how easy they'd made the draw for him. It's cos of $$$ and audience.
 
> Get over it, nadal lost.
 
Icey is secretly nervous over Andy's prospects. He (Andy) could have his increasing posterior kicked soon. That he (Icey) will take some time to get over.
undecided <costasz@gmail.com>: Jul 11 06:26AM -0700

He gifted the 1st two sets to Muller who played at a good level. He played typical grass court tennis reminiscent of Krajicek/Sampras days. The fact that Rafa struggled mightly with returning was the main issue. Muller was not even serving Huge by today's standards. It was just the added time pressure of him coming to net and the fact that he picked his spots that totally destroyed Nadal's confidence in his shots and when he had legitimate openings he overplayed and UE'd a lot of them. I am not sure why a guy like Rafa could not do better.
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Jul 11 06:30AM -0700

When was the last time he did better than the fourth round in Wimbledon?
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Jul 11 06:39AM -0700

I think you have to be realistic and look at his performance at Wimbledon this year and conclude that his days of winning Wimbledon are in the past. If a Nadal in his best form since 2013 still couldn't make it past a big server like Muller(who at the end of the day is a journeyman), there's no reason to be optimistic. Obviously Nadal has much better chances at the FO and the hc slams to possibly do well.
 
This losing early six years in a row at Wimbledon(and we're talking about prime Nadal for the most part), really makes it impossible for Nadal to be a GOAT candidate, let's be honest.
Brian W Lawrence <brian_w_lawrence@msn.com>: Jul 11 12:35PM +0100

On 11/07/2017 11:14, The Iceberg wrote:
>> long time away.
 
> as McEnroe said, (and I quote) that has to be one of the dumbest questions asked by an interviewer after he's just a lost a match like that.
 
> him never turning up at Wimbledon would be your dream, eh! you'd prob have a celebratory bottle chuck at your Nadal dartboard!
 
WTF?
 
 
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alinefx@alinefx.com: Jul 11 04:41AM -0700

It's not like when he plays it makes any difference as he never gets beyond the fourth round anyway
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 11 06:12AM -0700

On Tuesday, 11 July 2017 12:35:21 UTC+1, Brian W Lawrence wrote:
 
> > as McEnroe said, (and I quote) that has to be one of the dumbest questions asked by an interviewer after he's just a lost a match like that.
 
> > him never turning up at Wimbledon would be your dream, eh! you'd prob have a celebratory bottle chuck at your Nadal dartboard!
 
> WTF?
 
oh sorry I assumed Patrick had posted you his dartboard, as he hasn't mentioned it in a while.
SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Jul 11 06:15AM -0700

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 5:03:16 AM UTC-4, Brian W Lawrence wrote:
 
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Think he will be back. He was just super annoyed with this loss, is all. He really thought he had a great chance to go the distance this year.
Brian W Lawrence <brian_w_lawrence@msn.com>: Jul 11 02:39PM +0100

On 11/07/2017 14:12, The Iceberg wrote:
 
>>> him never turning up at Wimbledon would be your dream, eh! you'd prob have a celebratory bottle chuck at your Nadal dartboard!
 
>> WTF?
 
> oh sorry I assumed Patrick had posted you his dartboard, as he hasn't mentioned it in a while.
 
OK, I don't recall posting anything either for or against any player,
except. poss. that it's good to see Brits winning.
 
Mac was right about the dumb question, but Rafa could have been more
positive or at least avoided any answer.
 
 
 
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TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Jul 11 09:51AM +0300

TT kirjoitti 11.7.2017 klo 9:48:
 
> :)
 
> Stephen won't be going through the list, he's happy to deceive himself
> based on one list which had only modern blockbusters...
 
Watching lots of new blockbusters doesn't make one a film connoisseur...
just a mass consumer.
stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: Jul 11 06:42AM -0500

On 7/10/2017 6:43 PM, TT wrote:
 
>>> So how many have you seen?
 
>> Are you incapable of reading a thread?
 
> You never provided a number. What is it?
 
What? I listed the movies out of 1000 that I hadn't seen. You can't add
it up? IIRC, it came to about 88 unseen, or 912 seen as of that moment.
 
Good lord, you and Courtie make bogus claims, then can't even bother to
correct your mistakes? I know Nadal lost today so it's a tough one for
you, but jeez ...
 
 
 
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stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: Jul 11 08:02AM -0500

On 7/10/2017 6:50 PM, Court_1 wrote:
 
>> In addition to being an uncouth movie philistine, you can't even follow
>> a thread. Please stick to tennis ...
 
> You have ADD. How many movies from that list have you seen? TT and I don't remember seeing you post a number.
 
I posted a list of all the films from that 1000 that I hadn't seen. If
you can't do simple subtraction, that's hardly my fault.
 
Just admit that, once again, you were wrong all around, and be done with
it.
 
 
 
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stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: Jul 11 08:03AM -0500

On 7/11/2017 1:48 AM, TT wrote:
>> you enthralled!
 
> :)
 
> Stephen won't be going through the list,...
 
Except, I did go through it, and posted the results more than a month
ago. Too bad for that usenet records these things so that you can't get
away with claiming such nonsense, LOL. :)
 
 
 
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Brian W Lawrence <brian_w_lawrence@msn.com>: Jul 11 12:40PM +0100

It's not what you think :-)
 
Apparently, part of her post-match relaxation is to go home and
do some baking. Each day she makes muffins which she brings to
Wimbledon for her team. White chocolate and raspberry are the
favourites.
 
She talked to the BBC about this and spoke in similar terms
as she does about tennis - positive, taking one batch at a
time, focusing on the ingredients :-)
 
 
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PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Jul 11 05:37AM -0700

She got nice muffins
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 11 03:23AM -0700

> That's ok. AO2017 was the ultimate revenge match, fed just owning him there. Even at 1-3 down, everyone
> Knew Fed was going to come back and win it, he was playing just lights out better, having had break points in every service game before he broke in the 6th (and more importantly, the 8th!) game.
 
> So sad that Nadal couldn't beat old ass Fed, and his supporters have to keep digging out an almost 10 yeAr old match to help with the 2017 thrashings Feds been giving Nadal (especially the 2017 Indian wells ass kicking ).
 
LOL good to admit your bitterness, still yep peak Fed taken to 5 by an out of sorts Nadal there, everyone knows.
joh <joshorst@gmail.com>: Jul 11 04:31AM -0700

Op dinsdag 11 juli 2017 12:23:41 UTC+2 schreef The Iceberg:
> > Knew Fed was going to come back and win it, he was playing just lights out better, having had break points in every service game before he broke in the 6th (and more importantly, the 8th!) game.
 
> > So sad that Nadal couldn't beat old ass Fed, and his supporters have to keep digging out an almost 10 yeAr old match to help with the 2017 thrashings Feds been giving Nadal (especially the 2017 Indian wells ass kicking ).
 
> LOL good to admit your bitterness, still yep peak Fed taken to 5 by an out of sorts Nadal there, everyone knows.
 
How long has it been since Nadal won his last 5 setter?
SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Jul 11 05:25AM -0700

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 1:15:30 AM UTC-4, Javier González wrote:
> Not to detail your little Nadal bashing party, but, um, Sampras?
 
Sampras was dominant on 70% of the tour surfaces (grass + hard + carpet), Nadal on 30%. Not the same thing. Plus, surface heterogeneity was much more pronounced during his time.
joh <joshorst@gmail.com>: Jul 11 04:35AM -0700

Op dinsdag 11 juli 2017 12:13:38 UTC+2 schreef The Iceberg:
 
> > > no it just they look up to and admire Fed so much
 
> > makes sense, he's GOAT
 
> nah, Nadal always whooped him.
 
only when fed was out of sorts
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 11 03:17AM -0700

On Tuesday, 11 July 2017 06:34:36 UTC+1, Patrick Kehoe wrote:
 
> > Close enough. Fed didn't really blow him out of the water perhaps, but certainly outclassed him. Dimitrov let himself down again on the big points, although Fed was very solid today and did a great job neutralizing a lot of Dimi's serves. Grigor's shot-selection under pressure is still quite poor (in contrast to Federer). His shotmaking otoh was impressive though. More so than Fed's, who looks to have another gear in store for the coming week.
 
> I agree. Fed looking like his first week flutters are being channelled into all out Fed-Fight. He wants that 8th Wimbledon and the distinction that goes with it. I also thought his level has clearly lifted from 1st week. And he's saved a lot of energy for the last 3 potential contests. And Nole has to go back to back, making the effort Mannorini gives unexpectedly important.
 
> P
 
first round flutters? what flutters? you mean where he strolled through his first round matches last week without any worries whatsoever? what planet are you guys living on, do you actually watch what's going on?
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 11 03:19AM -0700

On Tuesday, 11 July 2017 03:20:09 UTC+1, John Liang wrote:
> > > More so than Fed's, who looks to have another gear in store for the coming week.
 
> > I think he is ready to battle the remaining matches out.
 
> It was an very impressive performance from Fed, he was certainly well aware of the danger Dimitrov can present and did not give him much of a chance from the word go. Fed probably move up 3 notches compare to the previous round and hope he can keep up at this level in the next few rounds. Dimitrov had pretty impressive first 8 games but then the game was essentially over.
 
yeah I expect Fed was well aware of the dangers of Dimitrov, Fed prob had him right up there on his scale of "dangers" as right next to a pic of a lovely soft fluffy kitten.
Brian W Lawrence <brian_w_lawrence@msn.com>: Jul 11 06:58AM +0100

On 10/07/2017 16:23, Brian W Lawrence wrote:
 
 
> 0 Kuznetsova, Vandeweghe, Halep
> 1 Muguruza, Williams
> 2 Rybáriková, Konta, Ostapenko
 
Only 6 of last 8 in MS known:
 
Sets Games
W/L W/L %age
=== ====== =====
[1] A Murray 12/1 (13) 78/42 (120) 65.0%
[3] R Federer 10/0 (10) 65/38 (103) 63.1%
[7] M Čilić 12/0 (12) 75/44 (119) 63.0%
[11] T Berdych 12/4 (16) 91/68 (159) 57.2%
[16] G Muller 14/4 (18) 105/86 (191) 55.0%
[6] M Raonic 12/3 (15) 91/74 (165) 55.2%
<12> S Querrey [24] 14/5 (19) 96/80 (176) 54.5%
 
The remaining 4th round match is due on Centre Court at 12:00
today - most likely under the roof. Rain is forecast for most
of today, but rest of week should be dry.
 
Mannarino & Djokovic after R3:
 
<15> A Mannarino 8/5 (13) 77/58 (135) 57.0%
[2] N Djokovic 7/0 (7) 45/19 (64) 70.3%
 
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