Digest for alt.sports.hockey.nhl.mtl-canadiens@googlegroups.com - 15 updates in 3 topics

Thursday, July 6, 2017

Marty <martytest2004@hotmail.com>: Jul 06 10:59PM -0500

Seriously. He will take a 1-year. Get it done. No matter the amount, it
won't be wasted. The team is about to leave millions unused on the cap if
they don't. Just sign him. He will fill a gap. If he has something in the
tank, it is a good signing.
 
Or, don't sign him, and we can be proud the Molson didn't use 6-10 million
of cap space and increased profits! Wow! Yah!?!?!
 
Seriously, he'll do a 1-year. Montreal gambled on Radulov for 1 year, and
it got them, one year. The mercenary left, but we still got a year of good
service. Jagr might give the same. If he doesn't, no harm, they can play
him according to his remaining talent, but all the team has as leverage in
UFA signings for mercenaries is empty cap space. Use it.
 
As a final aside, I will say we (fans) undersold Jagr 5-6 years ago. We
couldn't have known exactly, but man, he did have a surprising amount left
in the tank. Apparently, he wanted to come here then. Sure missed the boat.
 
Marty
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Jul 06 04:49AM -0700

And the latest update, nearly done:
 
Drouin ($5.5M) - Galchenyuk ($4.9M) - Hemsky ($1M)
Pacioretty ($4.5M) - Danault ($0.9125M) - Gallagher ($3.75M)
Lehkonen ($0.839167M) - Plekanec ($6M) - Byron ($1.167M)
Martinsen ($0.675M) - Mitchell ($1.2M) - Shaw ($3.9M)
De La Rose ($0.725M)

xxxx - Weber ($7.857M)
Alzner ($4.625M) - Petry ($5.5M)
Schlemko ($2.1M) - Benn ($1.1M)
Jerabek ($0.925M) - Davidson ($1.425M)

Price ($6.5M)
Montoya ($1.0625M)

Total: $66.16M
(Cap is confirmed now at $75M)
 
Almost $9M in cap space left, so it'd be hard to argue against just paying Markov.
 
Flip side, if ever a team was in a position to go nuclear on an RFA offer sheet, couldn't it be the Habs right now? I mean, doesn't somebody sometime have to crack open this self-imposed gridlock on offer sheets? There aren't any UFAs of note available. I'd say there aren't really any RFA defensemen to go after anymore either... Parayko was maybe the best and he filed for arbitration? But there are a ton of young centers. Draisatl, Granlund, Bennett, Johnson, Wennberg, Horvat...
 
Well, anyway, it seems more like sign Markov and carry a bit of a cushion is what we can expect. I don't see how the Habs have the pieces to trade for a center now that Sergachev is gone and the draft is in the rear view mirror. Some team might be smart to get their claws on the Habs' 1st rounder next year or the year after, however... that could be a juicy top-10 pick, and you can be sure that Bergevin doesn't think so. I wouldn't totally rule out a Duchene deal still, now Galchenyuk has a contract. If anything, the Avs should see how Andrighetto panned out with the move, do a little mental arithmetic on extrapolating the kind of improvement you might get on Galchenyuk in a similar vein, and wow, that's a real good player (better than Duchene). If they can just figure that out, plus sink their claws into a 1st and maybe whoever the Habs' top D prospect is (Juulsen), that's going to be a win for them. While the Habs will spin it as solving their center problem (which in fact it would - or at least be a step closer anyway, even though the price paid was ludicrous).
 
I went back to the top and tried to read that roster with a blank mind... I mean, I can totally imagine fans of other teams looking at that and seeing a non-playoff team. I don't want to be quite that pessimistic, as I see room for growth for a few players, a vast improvement in coaching, and maybe just maybe they aren't going to be as bad as it looks. But I will understand if prognostications come out predicting the Habs out of a playoff spot. Although again, they are in a lucky spot being in the weakest division in the league probably.
 
l8r,
Gerry
TheMadApe <chiefape@gmail.com>: Jul 06 08:40PM -0300

On 2017-07-06 08:49 AM, Gerry wrote:
 
> I went back to the top and tried to read that roster with a blank mind... I mean, I can totally imagine fans of other teams looking at that and seeing a non-playoff team. I don't want to be quite that pessimistic, as I see room for growth for a few players, a vast improvement in coaching, and maybe just maybe they aren't going to be as bad as it looks. But I will understand if prognostications come out predicting the Habs out of a playoff spot. Although again, they are in a lucky spot being in the weakest division in the league probably.
 
> l8r,
> Gerry
 
Foxhole Bergy ain't got the parts to break 'the code' and drop an offer
sheet on Draisatl. As a GM he is not doing everything in his power to
make the team better.
 
While it is a disaster in the making for BBB, I see opportunity for us
fans. The team is one or two key injuries away from the draft lottery
which has potential stars.
 
see: http://thehockeywriters.com/2018-nhl-draft-10-prospects-to-watch/
 
It would also guarantee that BBB is buried in his foxhole along side his
butt buddy.
 
Postive thoughts! Right?
 
TMA
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Jul 06 04:54PM -0700

You'd need a certain amount of self-awareness and humility to just accept a playoff miss and top pick, though. I think Bergevin is far more likely to panic as the deadline approaches and trade his top pick for some desperate last-minute help to try to squeeze into the playoffs. :(
 
 
l8r,
Gerry
TheMadApe <chiefape@gmail.com>: Jul 06 11:09PM -0300

On 2017-07-06 08:54 PM, Gerry wrote:
> You'd need a certain amount of self-awareness and humility to just accept a playoff miss and top pick, though. I think Bergevin is far more likely to panic as the deadline approaches and trade his top pick for some desperate last-minute help to try to squeeze into the playoffs. :(
 
> l8r,
> Gerry
 
Hopefully he would be fired before he could go full retard.
 
TMA
Nyssa <Nyssa@flawlesslogic.com>: Jul 06 07:43AM -0400

mike wrote:
 
> into it with the huge contract to McDavid on the horizon.
> I know that it isn't a fair trade but the cap makes it
> hard to pay everyone the way you'd like to.
 
Hey, I like this!
 
My pet would have a MUCH better chance at winning a Cup
with the Oilers before he'll see one in Montreal.
 
Nyssa, who can't believe that she's even thinking that
way at this point
Nyssa <Nyssa@flawlesslogic.com>: Jul 06 07:49AM -0400

Mike wrote:
 
 
>> TMA
> They have $9.1M cap space left. Hard to imagine 'ol BArgin
> Bin Bergy is going to let that sit there all year.
 
With that much cash in his virtual pocket, he could go after
Ignila, Jagr, *and* another of the generic (geriatric?) bargain
bin UFAs out there.
 
Of the ones out there, I'd love to see Iggy in a Habs sweater
since I've always been a fan of his. But I doubt it will happen.
 
I predict more posturing by MB in trying to make a deal with
Joe Sakic.
 
Nyssa, who thinks MB is doing everything *except* plugging
the wide open holes in the lineup
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Jul 06 05:20AM -0700

I would be slightly irate if the Habs picked up another bargain bin forward, tbh. Right now, I have a cap projection which injects De La Rose in the lineup, but not Hudon or Carr. That's with 13F/8D. They could go 14F/7D and salvage one of those other forwards. But every F they sign from now on bumps somebody to waivers.
 
Now, I'm not too sure about Carr. He actually stepped in very nicely and surprisingly and has actually shown the most of all these 3 guys so far. But he's also 25 already and I'll suggest he has the least upside. He's maybe like a Matt D'Agostini. And since we already have Gallagher and Shaw, maybe the way he goes to the net, while good, is a less essential ingredient.
 
As for Hudon and De La Rose. I assume the Habs still have highest hopes for De La Rose. He was just starting to tack on a little bit of offense in the AHL last year. I don't think offense will ever be his thing. But he's big and plays a solid north-south game, which NHL teams appreciate, and is still just 22. I think he's first in line to not-waive. And they gave him a 1-way contract. I see him and Martinsen alternating as extra forward/injury sub.
 
Hudon has the most upside. He has great hockey sense. He may lack a little tempo/speed for the NHL, which is his main question mark. Well, that and not having size. He's not tiny per se, but the Habs have a lot of undersized forwards already, and so Hudon has to really stand out to get added to the mix. If he was on waivers, I'd snatch him up quick if I was in another NHL city. He has such good instincts, sneaky-good release, a lot of just really un-teachable natural offensive intellect. He's kind of like Drouin, but in slow motion. It would suck to lose him on waivers.
 
Anyway, waiving one of these guys, ok, Carr maybe gets through. Waiving two or three would be awful. Habs don't have enough prospect depth to squander young assets. As much as I've liked Iginla or Doan over the years, I don't think the Habs should go that direction. They picked Hemsky, that's gotta be it.
 
> Nyssa, who thinks MB is doing everything *except* plugging
> the wide open holes in the lineup
 
Bang on. He's running around like a chicken with his head cut off, but when all the dust and squawking settles... where is the C, where is the PMD, what makes the team any better?
 
l8r,
Gerry
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: Jul 06 09:49AM -0700

Is there such thing as a team that either has a surplus of centers cabable of scoring 70+ points or a team willing to create a hole in their line up by trading the same capable center in order to acquire Galchenyuk?
Mike <mike@gmail.com>: Jul 06 05:53PM -0300

On 2017-07-06 01:49 PM, Chuck wrote:
> Is there such thing as a team that either has a surplus of centers cabable of scoring 70+ points or a team willing to create a hole in their line up by trading the same capable center in order to acquire Galchenyuk?
 
Easy now Chuck - you're starting to sound like Bergy :-)
 
You raise a good point but salary restraints and the cap may make for a
possible trade especially if Montreal was to part with someone like
Pacioretty and his beauty of a contract that still has 2 years remaining
on it. It could happen - probably wont but could.
Nyssa <Nyssa@flawlesslogic.com>: Jul 06 04:59PM -0400

Gerry wrote:
 
> better?
 
> l8r,
> Gerry
 
That's why I say the team is worse overall than before all
of these non-signings and trades.
 
Add in the problem of incorporating the new guys into the
line up and re-building any chemistry on lines or pairings
there might be there rather than building off the little
bit of chemistry that *was* there from last season, such
as Radulov had with several guys, and you can easily see
it's uphill after training camp starts.
 
One step forward (Drouin, etc.) and two steps back (losing
Radu, Markov, etc.).
 
Nyssa, who has very little enthusiasm for the start of next
season at this point
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: Jul 06 02:59PM -0700

On Thursday, July 6, 2017 at 4:53:17 PM UTC-4, Mike wrote:
> possible trade especially if Montreal was to part with someone like
> Pacioretty and his beauty of a contract that still has 2 years remaining
> on it. It could happen - probably wont but could.
 
If they must trade anyone, I`d trade Max Pac. With his nice contract I think the return could be good. Montreal wants him out front leading the team. Not going to happen. He is a Phil Kessel type player who thrives as long as the pressure is not on him. As productive as he is, those around him are not pushed to a higher level by his presence. His contract ends in two years, no doubt he will ask for a significant raise. Until he can prove to be a money player, that makes his line mates more productive, I`d shop him
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: Jul 06 03:11PM -0700

On Thursday, July 6, 2017 at 4:53:17 PM UTC-4, Mike wrote:
> possible trade especially if Montreal was to part with someone like
> Pacioretty and his beauty of a contract that still has 2 years remaining
> on it. It could happen - probably wont but could.
 
Ekfraud claims the Islanders still have an eye on Galchenyuk. Other then Travares they have no centers that would fill Montreal's needs.
TheMadApe <chiefape@gmail.com>: Jul 06 08:43PM -0300

On 2017-07-06 06:59 PM, Chuck wrote:
>> Pacioretty and his beauty of a contract that still has 2 years remaining
>> on it. It could happen - probably wont but could.
 
> If they must trade anyone, I`d trade Max Pac. With his nice contract I think the return could be good. Montreal wants him out front leading the team. Not going to happen. He is a Phil Kessel type player who thrives as long as the pressure is not on him. As productive as he is, those around him are not pushed to a higher level by his presence. His contract ends in two years, no doubt he will ask for a significant raise. Until he can prove to be a money player, that makes his line mates more productive, I`d shop him
 
He would excel with a forward that was an expert playmaker. Max is what
he is...a goal scorer. He is not much for the dirty areas but a 30+ goal
man is a prized possession. Keep him unless the deal is too good to pass
up. I would never 'shop' him.
 
TMA
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: Jul 06 05:49PM -0700

On Thursday, July 6, 2017 at 7:43:51 PM UTC-4, The Mad Ape wrote:
> man is a prized possession. Keep him unless the deal is too good to pass
> up. I would never 'shop' him.
 
> TMA
 
Shop as in listen to offers, but ignoring just about all of them. As for an expert playmaker? His name will not be Danault. If they want an upgrade at center I would look to replace him
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