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Tuesday, July 4, 2017

Mike <mike@gmail.com>: Jul 04 10:27AM -0300

Talking to Yakupov apparently according to EKShit. I know, I know the
guy is typically full of it but if true this smacks of desperation. I
suppose it could work but in all likelihood wont.
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: Jul 04 06:52AM -0700

I think he could be a bargain gamble if Galchenyuk wakes him up
Gorgo <gorgo@accesswave.ca>: Jul 04 06:58AM -0700

On Tuesday, July 4, 2017 at 10:27:54 AM UTC-3, Mike wrote:
> Talking to Yakupov apparently according to EKShit. I know, I know the
> guy is typically full of it but if true this smacks of desperation. I
> suppose it could work but in all likelihood wont.
 
Should take into account that, if I'm not mistaken, weren't Chuckie and Yakupov linemates in junior? He's worth a gamble if the price is right IMO.
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Jul 04 07:11AM -0700

Of course he's desperate.
 
But of course he should also check out Yakupov. Habs roster lacks talent, lacks scoring, there isn't much of it on the horizon in the system either.
 
Here is a 23-year old who was the #1 overall pick - in Galchenyuk's draft, from Galchenyuk's junior team as a bonus.
 
I get a feeling that a little too much was made of them being teammates as 16 year olds... they are both kind of tunnel vision players who really don't use their linemates particularly well... and then Yakupov switched to playing more with Sarault the next year iirc.
 
But anyway, if he wants to try a deal like Hemsky's, I say go for it.
 
I don't know if it's really best for Yakupov, though. He's going to have a hard time winning over NHL coaches, he sure didn't get anywhere with the Blues, and while Julien isn't going to be as bad as Therrien, he could still be in for a rough ride. Just go to Vegas, or back to the KHL or something.
 
Habs also have a pretty full roster atm. One of Hudon, De La Rose, or Carr is going on waivers already. Signing another forward puts 2 of them on waivers? Do you lose one of those guys for a hail mary on a dubious guy like Yakupov? Or conversely, would Yakupov be willing to play in Laval to start with?
 
l8r,
Gerry
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Jul 04 09:58AM -0700

Aaand... there he goes to the Avs for $875k.
 
They toss Grigorenko to the curb, and give Yakupov a try.
 
And why the heck not, they have a fairly deep attack, they don't look like a team that will be grinding things out. They're young, he should get a good shot there.
 
And for that matter, they have a lot of cap space and not a lot of NHL defensemen under contract either. They might get some mileage out of offering a good deal to Markov to be a veteran mentor on that team.
 
l8r,
Gerry
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: Jul 04 10:39AM -0700

Was there much of anything that indicated Markov was that interested in mentoring anyone while he was a Hab
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Jul 04 11:45AM -0700

On Tuesday, July 4, 2017 at 1:39:12 PM UTC-4, Chuck wrote:
> Was there much of anything that indicated Markov was that interested in mentoring anyone while he was a Hab
 
Ha, no. But it sure seems like people just automatically assume a grizzled vet takes the young cub under his wing, etc, etc.
 
Whereas it seems more like Markov just goes about his business in stony silence and ignores everybody equally, right?
 
l8r,
Gerry
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: Jul 04 12:15PM -0700

I'm sure he tries to work to have chemistry with whomever he is partnered with but I just don't see him as a master - Padawan type mentor. For all the years he has been in, he is still the last home grown defenceman they have been able to produce through thier development as an asset worth hanging on to
TheMadApe <chiefape@gmail.com>: Jul 04 07:13PM -0300

On 2017-07-04 01:58 PM, Gerry wrote:
 
> And for that matter, they have a lot of cap space and not a lot of NHL defensemen under contract either. They might get some mileage out of offering a good deal to Markov to be a veteran mentor on that team.
 
> l8r,
> Gerry
 
The only team talking to Markov right now is Philly and to bring him in
will mean they have to put someone on waivers or do a trade.
 
Sad that the Habs are not even talking to him at this point.
 
TMA
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Jul 04 04:56PM -0700

Yeah, Markov seems keen and motivated right now. Or he did on that beach in Florida. Maybe a touch extra-confident/prideful, but ok, that's not necessarily a bad thing in his position. But now that you have scads of cap space, you want him to come crawling through the mud to beg you for a spot on the team? Aw c'mon. Just sign the guy. Meet in the middle and let him stay motivated and full of pride and confidence. $5M x 2 doesn't hurt the Habs at this point.
 
l8r,
Gerry
TheMadApe <chiefape@gmail.com>: Jul 04 09:57PM -0300

On 2017-07-04 08:56 PM, Gerry wrote:
> Yeah, Markov seems keen and motivated right now. Or he did on that beach in Florida. Maybe a touch extra-confident/prideful, but ok, that's not necessarily a bad thing in his position. But now that you have scads of cap space, you want him to come crawling through the mud to beg you for a spot on the team? Aw c'mon. Just sign the guy. Meet in the middle and let him stay motivated and full of pride and confidence. $5M x 2 doesn't hurt the Habs at this point.
 
> l8r,
> Gerry
 
That would be the classy thing to do but that has been lacking in
management lately.
 
TMA
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Jul 04 04:24AM -0700

I agree with your take on Radulov. His point totals are very unrepresentative of the calibre of player he is. 70 or 80 points would not be remotely out of the question IMHO. Not just because he could be playing on a stacked line in Dallas, but I think he could have had those kinds of point totals as a Hab too... he was that much better than everybody else. After a year of adjusting again to the grind of the NHL schedule and hopefully with his family issues behind him, his point totals could surge.
 
But I also don't think there is any danger whatsoever that Drouin ever sees even the neighbourhood of the doghouse. That young man will be on a golden throne. Hopefully because he earns it, and he certainly has the skillset to earn it. But even if he doesn't... he's your next David Desharnais probably, because management will do everything they can to back him and promote him after the trade, the contract, the loss of Radulov, etc. He's not going into any doghouses.
 
l8r,
Gerry
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Jul 04 05:01AM -0700

On Monday, July 3, 2017 at 1:26:26 PM UTC-4, John Corbin wrote:
> http://www.tsn.ca/stars-ink-radulov-to-five-year-31-25m-deal-1.795468
 
The other thing we can catch up now is the full breakdown of his deal... indeed with a frontload...
 
$8M - $8M - $6.6M - $4M - $4.65M
 
... so I don't see this would have been any kind of impediment to the Habs, how the cash is spread out isn't really a factor.
 
Plus it is 5 years NMC - again, also not a problem.
 
NTC in the last 2 years... that's maybe a bit dicier... I mean, if you're already on record as being scared to give him term, then having your ability to trade him if he's off the rails in the last couple of years wouldn't be too appealing.
 
Then there is the portion of the salary which is in a signing bonus, which is the new lockout-proofing of the deal, and for Radulov breaks down as:
 
$7M - $3M - $3M - $3M - $2M
 
The Habs have lots of cash, I doubt they'd blink at doing this, as I'm sure we'll see when the full details of the Price contract come out.
 
So anyway, it's all good value clauses here for Radulov on this deal from the Stars, not too much room for the Habs to have done any better. But also I doubt they would have balked to match these terms. Or at least, I wouldn't have, given that they are almost automatic in the current market.
 
l8r,
Gerry
Mike <mike@gmail.com>: Jul 04 09:25AM -0300

On 2017-07-03 03:26 PM, TheMadApe wrote:
 
> With Benn and Seguin, Radulov fits in nicely. Good things will happen
> there.
 
> TMA
Agree 100%. Bergevin really handled this poorly. If he was going to walk
away from Radulov then do it and shut yer yap. Between him and Therrien
I don't think either one could think their way out of a paper bag to be
honest. I started wondering about Bergevin when he refused to fire
Therrien back in '15. Now its an open question. Has this man been put in
a position beyond his abilities? It sure looks like it now.
gorgofromns@gmail.com: Jul 04 05:39AM -0700

Reports are that tge Habs tried to "match" the Stars offer at the last minute. Well... Whoop de do. Not good enough. As for me, if I'm out and about shopoing and I see something I want at price $X then see it for less than $X at another store, I don't return to Store 1 and ask if they'll match it, I buy it at Store 2. Why would I give Store 1, who just told me their offer was a "final offer", a chance to match? If anything, Store 1 would have to better the Store 2 offer. Habs should have bettered the Stars offer, not matched it.
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Jul 04 06:13AM -0700

On Tuesday, July 4, 2017 at 8:25:29 AM UTC-4, Mike wrote:
> honest. I started wondering about Bergevin when he refused to fire
> Therrien back in '15. Now its an open question. Has this man been put in
> a position beyond his abilities? It sure looks like it now.
 
I saw a post elsewhere that went something like this: Marc Bergevin tries really hard to come across as a smartass, but instead ends up proving that he's a dumbass.
 
l8r,
Gerry
TheMadApe <chiefape@gmail.com>: Jul 04 07:11PM -0300

> Reports are that tge Habs tried to "match" the Stars offer at the last minute. Well... Whoop de do. Not good enough. As for me, if I'm out and about shopoing and I see something I want at price $X then see it for less than $X at another store, I don't return to Store 1 and ask if they'll match it, I buy it at Store 2. Why would I give Store 1, who just told me their offer was a "final offer", a chance to match? If anything, Store 1 would have to better the Store 2 offer. Habs should have bettered the Stars offer, not matched it.
 
Listened to Habs Radio today.
 
Radulov earns more in Texas when paid the same money. Just slightly less
than $4,000,000 in saved taxes. Also some perks. Things he can do in
Texas that he can't do in Canada:
 
- Deduct agent fees
- Deduct training fees
- Deduct some of the interest on his mortgage
 
It all adds up. He would have needed about $7 million per year to get
the same deal in Quebec.
 
TMA
John Corbin <johnhabsfan@gmail.com>: Jul 04 04:44PM -0700

Buddy of mine is a big Flyers fan.... swears up and down that Flyers will never sign Russian players
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Jul 04 04:59PM -0700

On Tuesday, July 4, 2017 at 7:45:00 PM UTC-4, John Corbin wrote:
> Buddy of mine is a big Flyers fan.... swears up and down that Flyers will never sign Russian players
 
Weird since they drafted Rubstov in the 1st round, signed Lyubinov and Medvedev. That said, the latter two went back to Russia post-haste. Provorov also stands out as a Russian with a likely very prominent role on the team.
 
They might be a bit "reluctant", but clearly not entirely averse to Russia. Is he perchance a Bobby Clark fan from the 70s?
 
l8r,
Gerry
John Corbin <johnhabsfan@gmail.com>: Jul 04 05:22PM -0700

Jerry.... oh ya... big Bobby Clark fan.... just loves re-hashing how the flyers embarresed the russians and made them leave the ice back in the day.
 
He als claims the last team to win the cup with an all canadian roster was the flyers... blah blah blah
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: Jul 04 12:19PM -0700

Rangers scooped up DD end any chance MB could do anything foolish like sign him
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Jul 04 12:29PM -0700

On Tuesday, July 4, 2017 at 3:19:58 PM UTC-4, Chuck wrote:
> Rangers scooped up DD end any chance MB could do anything foolish like sign him
 
Wait, now they have to trade actual assets for him!
 
Zuccarello and Desharnais on the same team could be a sight.
 
Although all that said, it seems like maybe DD was more of Therrien fetish than anything else.
 
l8r,
Gerry
Ed <ed.matthews@gmail.com>: Jul 04 01:29PM -0700

Could be a sight if they can be seen....
 
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: Jul 04 02:35PM -0700

Edmonton drafted a new smurf in the recent entry draft
TheMadApe <chiefape@gmail.com>: Jul 04 07:05PM -0300

On 2017-07-04 06:35 PM, Chuck wrote:
> Edmonton drafted a new smurf in the recent entry draft
 
Well Yakupov went to Colorado for $875,000 so that threat is gone too. I
was sure that MB would sign him in some fit of stupid.
 
TMA
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