Digest for alt.sports.hockey.nhl.mtl-canadiens@googlegroups.com - 9 updates in 1 topic

Monday, July 17, 2017

Mike <mike@gmail.com>: Jul 17 09:28AM -0300

On 2017-07-16 01:04 PM, Gerry wrote:
 
> He might have no real choice but to go into the season with excess cap space.
 
> l8r,
> Gerry
 
Duchene might be the domino that starts a few other dominoes falling. If
a team trades for him they may find themselves in a bit of cap trouble
and may need to shuffle someone off in his place. We'll see. As the
weeks go by however, I'm in the same boat as you I think.
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: Jul 17 08:53AM -0700

Still haven't a clue why they need to trade him. When the rumours first started. The rumour was Sakic would be a willing trading partner if the offer included a top line forward, a high value defence prospect and multiple 1st round picks. Basically a trade no one would turn down if offered. Leap forward to the current state of rumours where it now claims Sakic has to trade him for the best available offer. Other then being in the midst of the offseason and hockey content for Sports media is as hard to find as water in the Sahara. Why does it seem everyone thinks Sakic has to make a trade just for the sake of creating news?
Jim Bauch <j.bauch@ca.rr.com>: Jul 17 09:34AM -0700

On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 8:53:58 AM UTC-7, Chuck wrote:
> Still haven't a clue why they need to trade him. When the rumours first started. The rumour was Sakic would be a willing trading partner if the offer included a top line forward, a high value defence prospect and multiple 1st round picks. Basically a trade no one would turn down if offered. Leap forward to the current state of rumours where it now claims Sakic has to trade him for the best available offer. Other then being in the midst of the offseason and hockey content for Sports media is as hard to find as water in the Sahara. Why does it seem everyone thinks Sakic has to make a trade just for the sake of creating news?
 
I don't follow the Avalanche, so I could be way off on this, but I think Sakic may be viewing them as a team in need of a shakeup. Here's their recent history:
 
2012-13: 39 pts in a 48-game season, 2nd last overall (3rd straight season of missing the playoffs)
Sakic put in charge of all hockey operations
2013-14: 112 pts, 1st in division, 1st round playoff loss
2014-15: 90 pts, 7th in division, DNQ
2015-16: 82 pts, 6th in division, DNQ
2016-17: 48 pts, 7th in division, DNQ
 
That's .... not good. They did the "tank and rebuild" thing not so long ago, and were supposed to be an up-and-coming team, though their success in Roy's rookie coaching year appears to have been a bit of a fluke. There's not even an upward trend. You have to imagine that Sakic is on thin ice.
 
It's pretty tough to tell your fans, "sorry, looks like we'll be rebuilding all over again" so soon, and as we can see for ourselves, it's hard to remake a team through free agency, so that leaves trades.
 
As for why Duchesne.... I presume he's seen as one of their more marketable assets. Plus, wasn't there some friction between him and management in the past? (I may be confusing him with another player.)
 
Jim
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: Jul 17 10:46AM -0700

I think there was friction with Roy over team direction. Which caued him to leave. Problem with trading him is you just can't gamble the team he goes to will suck enough for the picks to morph into lottery picks aka Kessel to Toronto.
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Jul 17 04:54PM -0700

I think the bottom line is that Duchene is massively overrated. He had a lot of draft hype, he has had Team Canada on his resume and all that. But he's basically Plekanec on the ice. If they can get a good haul for him, they are going to win that deal, because he's a middle-6 player masquerading as a star.
 
l8r,
Gerry
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Jul 17 04:56PM -0700

That and he only has 2 years on his contract. After which, he'll still parlay his overrated reputation into a great contract, possibly as a UFA, gone for nothing.
 
l8r,
Gerry
Jim Bauch <j.bauch@ca.rr.com>: Jul 17 05:26PM -0700

On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 4:54:27 PM UTC-7, Gerry wrote:
> I think the bottom line is that Duchene is massively overrated. He had a lot of draft hype, he has had Team Canada on his resume and all that. But he's basically Plekanec on the ice. If they can get a good haul for him, they are going to win that deal, because he's a middle-6 player masquerading as a star.
 
In my limited viewing of him, that's my take as well.
 
I think Sakic is in danger of overplaying his hand here. It sounds to me like he was hoping that Bergevin, or another GM in a similar situation, would be desperate enough to overpay for Duchesne. But as time goes by and nobody's biting, Sakic's seat has to be getting hotter. I mean, we complain about MB, but by comparison the Habs have been a success compared to the sinking ship that is the Avs.
 
Jim
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Jul 17 06:32PM -0700

Yeah, Sakic seems to be looking for a grand slam, but honestly an RBI double would be fine for him. I bet they have had RBI double offers already. But the longer you get into that 2 years of his contract, and the more teams fill up their cap space and settle on other options, the less likely he is even going to get that.
 
l8r,
Gerry
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: Jul 17 06:53PM -0700

Duchene isn't good enough to be worth trading away two players Sakic would find acceptable. Sakic needs to chat with Brian Burke
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