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Friday, June 9, 2017

Federer Fanatic <TheRelentlessTide@nospam.invalid>: Jun 09 10:07AM -0500

Hopefully ....
 
5th set...
 
FF
Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Jun 09 08:12AM -0700

On Friday, June 9, 2017 at 8:08:06 AM UTC-7, Federer Fanatic wrote:
> Hopefully ....
 
> 5th set...
 
> FF
 
 
 
VAMOS 'effin Stan!!!
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jun 10 01:12AM +1000

On 10/06/2017 1:07 AM, Federer Fanatic wrote:
 
> 5th set...
 
> FF
 
Stan's not a young man & I suspect this long match pretty much
guarantees he'll lose the final.
 
 
 
 
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PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Jun 09 08:16AM -0700

> Stan's not a young man & I suspect this long match pretty much
guarantees he'll lose the final.
 
Who is young out there Whisper?
Did you see Federer playing the three five sets to win the AO?
Federer Fanatic <TheRelentlessTide@nospam.invalid>: Jun 09 10:16AM -0500

On Fri, 9 Jun 2017 08:12:00 -0700 (PDT), Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com> wrote:
| On Friday, June 9, 2017 at 8:08:06 AM UTC-7, Federer Fanatic wrote:
|> Hopefully ....
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|> 5th set...
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|> FF
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| VAMOS 'effin Stan!!!
 
 
He's hitting missles at the moment. Awe inspiring!
 
FF
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jun 10 01:20AM +1000

On 10/06/2017 1:16 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> guarantees he'll lose the final.
 
> Who is young out there Whisper?
> Did you see Federer playing the three five sets to win the AO?
 
 
Good point, but I think stamina is a bigger deal for Stan than Rafa
(Thiem is too young to have stamina issues). Stan has to be fresh &
confident to play his A game.
 
Stan is prob my fave player to watch the last 5 yrs or so & I always
want him to win, but the odds will favor Rafa big time. If Thiem
somehow manages to make the final then maybe Stan has a good chance due
to nerves from the youngster?
 
 
 
 
 
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Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jun 10 01:21AM +1000

On 10/06/2017 1:16 AM, Federer Fanatic wrote:
 
> He's hitting missles at the moment. Awe inspiring!
 
> FF
 
He's up 3-0 in 5th with 2 breaks. Pop open then champagne.
 
 
 
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PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Jun 09 08:22AM -0700

> Good point, but I think stamina is a bigger deal for Stan than Rafa
(Thiem is too young to have stamina issues). Stan has to be fresh &
confident to play his A game.
 
Stan is prob my fave player to watch the last 5 yrs or so & I always
want him to win, but the odds will favor Rafa big time. If Thiem
somehow manages to make the final then maybe Stan has a good chance due
to nerves from the youngster?
 
The fifth set may finish quickly.
SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Jun 09 08:22AM -0700

On Friday, June 9, 2017 at 11:08:06 AM UTC-4, Federer Fanatic wrote:
> Hopefully ....
 
> 5th set...
 
> FF
 
Stanimal has risen. Can Murray find a way back?
Federer Fanatic <TheRelentlessTide@nospam.invalid>: Jun 09 10:23AM -0500

On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 01:21:18 +1000, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com> wrote:
| On 10/06/2017 1:16 AM, Federer Fanatic wrote:
|> On Fri, 9 Jun 2017 08:12:00 -0700 (PDT), Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com> wrote:
|> | On Friday, June 9, 2017 at 8:08:06 AM UTC-7, Federer Fanatic wrote:
|> |> Hopefully ....
|> |>
|> |> 5th set...
|> |>
|> |> FF
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|> |
|> |
|> | VAMOS 'effin Stan!!!
|>
|>
|> He's hitting missles at the moment. Awe inspiring!
|>
|> FF
|>
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| He's up 3-0 in 5th with 2 breaks. Pop open then champagne.
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Don't jinx it! :-)
 
FF
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jun 10 01:26AM +1000

On 10/06/2017 1:22 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> somehow manages to make the final then maybe Stan has a good chance due
> to nerves from the youngster?
 
> The fifth set may finish quickly.
 
A bagel would be fitting as Stan has played well enough to win all 5
sets - just Murray's sheer doggedness kept him out there so long.
 
 
 
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SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Jun 09 08:27AM -0700

On Friday, June 9, 2017 at 11:20:27 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
 
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He has played for 4 hours, yet he is hammering the ball harder than anyone in the tournament. I don't think stamina is an issue for the Stanimal.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jun 10 01:27AM +1000

On 10/06/2017 1:23 AM, Federer Fanatic wrote:
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> Don't jinx it! :-)
 
> FF
 
No chance of jinx in this particular match - Stan doesn't lose from here
at his age. In his younger/dumber days yes.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Jun 09 08:28AM -0700

On Friday, June 9, 2017 at 11:26:33 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
 
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Agree. Stan made some crucial mental errors, but full credit to Murray for playing some sensational defense in the first three sets. He is looking a little gassed right now.
StephenJ <stephenj@flex.com>: Jun 09 06:41AM -0400

On 6/9/2017 12:32 AM, Gracchus wrote:
 
>> Are you actually:
>> 1. Afraid of north Korea?
 
> It would be foolish not to be concerned about their long-term intent and developing capabilities. Fear is a whole other thing. I grew up during the Cold War but never felt "afraid" of the Russians even though the threat of nuclear war was always part of the day-to-day reality.
 
With the USSR, I always had the sense that their paramount purpose was
to survive and thrive, and they understood that launching nukes would
destroy themselves. They weren't martyrs, willing to trade their lives
for ours, so like you that meant I didn't live in 'fear' of being nuked
even though the reality was I lived at the pleasure of those old
gangsters running the Kremlin for the first 25 years of my life. So for
that reason it went without saying that I opposed our side attacking the
USSR, even though they truly were an evil empire.
 
The danger that a group like ISIS gets nukes is that they show every
indication of being the opposite - there's a very real possibility that
they would be willing to be nuked themselves if it means they wipe out 5
million, or better yet 50 million, 'infidels' or 'apostates' in return.
 
The fear I have of North Korea is that they are so radicalized that I'm
not sure they don't lean more towards the ISIS side of things. I could
see someone like KJO thinking it would be great to go out in a blaze of
glory, taking nuclear hits on NK, in return for wiping out Los Angeles
or other US cities. I also think it clear that it is now inevitable that
they will soon, very soon, have missiles capable of delivering their
nukes just about anywhere.
 
For that reason, I can't say I would be against a pre-emptive military
strike right now, even though such a strike would have to be fatal to
the NK regime, meaning that given their powerful armed forces, it would
have to be massive and would come at a tremendous cost in the lives of
our military personnel and also among South Korean civilians. As big as
that cost would be, IMO it would be worse to live with the knowledge
that the wack-jobs running NK could nuke us at any time.
Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: Jun 09 08:05AM -0700

On Friday, June 9, 2017 at 3:41:16 AM UTC-7, StephenJ wrote:
> our military personnel and also among South Korean civilians. As big as
> that cost would be, IMO it would be worse to live with the knowledge
> that the wack-jobs running NK could nuke us at any time.
 
I agree that it's approaching that point. North Korea doesn't appear interested in talks or deals, which they've consistently cheated on in the past anyway. China talks about playing a part, but it seems to be mostly talk aimed at defusing a showdown in the foreseeable future. NKR's progress is steady and it's reached a point where they're not even trying to conceal their goals anymore (exhibiting missiles, making propaganda films that show mass American graveyards, etc.). Past presidents have either naively tried to make deals with NKR or have simply procrastinated and left the problem to fester for some future president to deal with. Even letting another couple of years (or less) pass without taking some decisive action would IMO be a costly mistake.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jun 10 01:10AM +1000

On 10/06/2017 1:05 AM, Gracchus wrote:
>> that cost would be, IMO it would be worse to live with the knowledge
>> that the wack-jobs running NK could nuke us at any time.
 
> I agree that it's approaching that point. North Korea doesn't appear interested in talks or deals, which they've consistently cheated on in the past anyway. China talks about playing a part, but it seems to be mostly talk aimed at defusing a showdown in the foreseeable future. NKR's progress is steady and it's reached a point where they're not even trying to conceal their goals anymore (exhibiting missiles, making propaganda films that show mass American graveyards, etc.). Past presidents have either naively tried to make deals with NKR or have simply procrastinated and left the problem to fester for some future president to deal with. Even letting another couple of years (or less) pass without taking some decisive action would IMO be a costly mistake.
 
Yes, unfortunately it looks like nuking them is going to be the only
real option pretty soon. Very scary time.
 
 
 
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PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Jun 09 08:11AM -0700

> I agree that it's approaching that point. North Korea doesn't appear interested in talks or deals, which they've consistently cheated on in the past anyway. China talks about playing a part, but it seems to be mostly talk aimed at defusing a showdown in the foreseeable future. NKR's progress is steady and it's reached a point where they're not even trying to conceal their goals anymore (exhibiting missiles, making propaganda films that show mass American graveyards, etc.). Past presidents have either naively tried to make deals with NKR or have simply procrastinated and left the problem to fester for some future president to deal with. Even letting another couple of years (or less) pass without taking some decisive action would IMO be a costly mistake.
 
I posted a year ago that it's the matter of time until NKR develop everything they want and people laughed at my post.
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Jun 09 08:01AM -0700

His defense went down a little.
Federer Fanatic <TheRelentlessTide@nospam.invalid>: Jun 09 09:24AM -0500

On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 00:18:40 +1000, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com> wrote:
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| He's playing well enough to have already won this match 76 63 63, yet
| he's down 2 sets to 1.
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| Murray doing what he does so well, just hanging in trying to withstand
| the talent onslaught & eke out a dour victory.
|
| I tipped Stan to lose final & to beat Murray in 5, so still on track.
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|: )
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Sadly I don't have the same confidence.
 
FF
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jun 10 12:41AM +1000

On 10/06/2017 12:24 AM, Federer Fanatic wrote:
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> Sadly I don't have the same confidence.
 
> FF
 
4-4 in 4th now. Bit more pressure on him as he's the guy calling the
shots & needs to make enough of them at the right time, while Murray
just goes into super grind mode. Stan has a lot of experience in these
long matches where he has to keep pulling the trigger, so no surprise if
he does it again, but odds have to favor Murray in this situation. Of
course he won't have much left for the final if he gets there.
 
 
 
 
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PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Jun 09 07:53AM -0700

They are both fit and should feel good after a day rest.
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Jun 09 12:57PM +0300

Carey kirjoitti 8.6.2017 klo 22:04:
> https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/06/07/comey-testimony-no-obstruction-no-impeachment-jonathan-turley-column/102603050/
 
The writer is wrong.
Of course it is obstruction of justice...
 
Trump asked the FBI chief to drop the investigation and when he didn't
then Trump fired him.
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Jun 09 01:04PM +0300

bob kirjoitti 9.6.2017 klo 2:18:
>> I forgot to mark this 'OT'. Apologies.
 
> "We do not indict or impeach people for being boorish or clueless ..."
 
> bob
 
'Trump didn't understand' is a lie...
 
He cleared the room from other people before making his demand to Comey.
So he knew that what he was doing was wrong.
 
And he probably also did the same thing with other intelligence chiefs
who refuse to answer questions...
StephenJ <stephenj@flex.com>: Jun 09 06:24AM -0400

>On 6/8/2017 3:04 PM, Carey wrote:
> https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/06/07/comey-testimony-no-obstruction-no-impeachment-jonathan-turley-column/102603050/
 
There's no way the House holds a vote to impeach Trump. Comey said Trump
"hoped" he would drop the Flynn investigation, which doesn't make it
clear he directed him or even asked him to.
 
Furthermore, even if Comey had said that Trump did tell him to drop it,
that would just be his word vs Trump's, and you shouldn't remove a
President from office merely because someone claims they said or did
something.
 
Nixon wasn't forced to resign until a tape was released which proved
that he assented to interfering with an investigation. It will take
similar proof to impeach Trump, and it should take similar proof.
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