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Tuesday, June 27, 2017

bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 27 08:38PM -0400

On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 11:28:26 -0700 (PDT), Gracchus
 
>The ranking thing is a no-brainer, though the general public and even a lot of casual tennis viewers don't realize it. In an otherwise sensible response to an article in the Washington Post, a person said that of course Serena would beat the #700 man or even the #100 man but maybe not top 20. I stopped reading there. Anyone who thinks she'd beat #100 is an idiot as far as tennis is concerned.
 
>The feminist writers were quick to cite the 1973 "Battle of the Sexes" as proof that Serena would beat Old McEnroe. They conveniently forget (always) that Old Riggs beat Court before the BJK match. That said, I really don't believe Old Mac would have much chance of beating Serena. I think he could trade shots with her and deal with her serve, but he'd have the same problem Riggs did. BJK decided to run him to death for 3 sets instead of playing serve-and-volley as she normally would. It worked.
 
>Anyway, what struck me most of all is the hostility some of these women have towards someone who just pointed out the obvious. The men's & women's game is hugely different. IMO it's not disparaging Serena's achievements as an athlete, competitor, or champion to do that. It's just a plain truth.
 
but it's not a PC truth. there's "truth" and then there's "PC truth"
you know.
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 27 08:43PM -0400

On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 11:58:31 +1000, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>
wrote:
 
 
>Having said that I'd love to see Mac at 58 playing Serena. My instincts
>tell me he'd have too many options & beat her 62 62, but I could be
>wrong & she rams home her serve/power & edges him 64 64? Be fun to watch.
 
if he beat her it'd be his volleying that would make the difference.
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 27 08:47PM -0400

On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 08:29:02 -0700 (PDT), Gracchus
 
>> What no one mentioned in this thread is how mentally weaker women are compared to the men. The number of times they get broken is probably twice more. Their second serves are significantly slower. They also have great trouble getting in positions for good return of serve. So basically they have a more trouble converting offense to defense. And not to mention they dont play 5 sets, so they dont have the stamina to play best of 5 either.
 
>> If Serena were to play on men's tour her record would be like 1-59 or 2-58 for the year.
 
>Maybe even worse, because no male pro would want to be the one that loses to her. They'd never hear the end of it in the locker room.
 
unless you're a very low ranked guy needing some $$.
 
bob
arahim <arahim_arahim@hotmail.com>: Jun 27 05:47PM -0700

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 12:30:04 PM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:
> they're better at it.
 
> :)
> --
 
:)
Rifle shooting is one sport in which there seems to be no advantage for men.
 
Archery is another in which the advantage if men have some seems to be small.
 
 
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 27 08:48PM -0400

On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 10:34:44 -0700 (PDT), Gracchus
 
>Now 34-year-old Tursunov has added in on the debate.
 
>"I would hope that I would win against Serena," Tursunov told the BBC. "It would be a similar argument to: who would run faster, the fastest woman or the fastest man? Tennis is becoming more and more a physical sport, so it's going to be hard for a woman to beat the men.
 
>"It's not black and white.
 
black and white? wtf? bringing race into it? :-)
 
>There are lots of factors to take into account. Physically I might not be in the best shape of my life, but as an overall package, I'm much better than my ranking would suggest. She is pregnant, and I'm not.
>"I've never heard John say anything absolutely stupid. He knows his stuff. What he said about her being an incredible player is correct -- explosive, powerful and she puts in a lot of work. But I would hope that I would win.
 
serena hasn't been a great mover past few yrs, that would be a huge
detriment to her chances VS any top 1000 male.
 
bob
Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: Jun 27 06:17PM -0700

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 5:48:50 PM UTC-7, bob wrote:
 
> >"I would hope that I would win against Serena," Tursunov told the BBC. "It would be a similar argument to: who would run faster, the fastest woman or the fastest man? Tennis is becoming more and more a physical sport, so it's going to be hard for a woman to beat the men.
 
> >"It's not black and white.
 
> black and white? wtf? bringing race into it? :-)
 
Good thing he didn't mention the "chocolate milk" baby.
 
 
> >"I've never heard John say anything absolutely stupid. He knows his stuff. What he said about her being an incredible player is correct -- explosive, powerful and she puts in a lot of work. But I would hope that I would win.
 
> serena hasn't been a great mover past few yrs, that would be a huge
> detriment to her chances VS any top 1000 male.
 
Good point.
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 27 09:15PM -0400

on a chicago - atlanta flight sunday, pretty 26yo sits next to me.
turns out she's a political consultant from atlanta named "kylie" and
says she usually flies private jet, very rarely commercial, and knows
pence, cruz - even hillary - personally. normally i'd say probably a
big liar, or at least maybe she's a hanger on. but very well dressed,
got the cartier on, etc, but much more importantly very well spoken
after 1 glass of wine. doesn't seem to be a fraud as she can reel off
names of senators and congressmen (and their wives) like nobody's
business, even from small districts.
 
get into an hour conversation about how the political really process
works. she claims her boyfriend (or her boyfriend's company - NYC
based) was one of hillary's largest donors last year (like top 5).
 
wonder if TT or tennisguy could find this person's identity.
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 27 09:10PM -0400

On Sat, 24 Jun 2017 09:59:31 -0700 (PDT), Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>
wrote:
 
>I joined one (Golden1 here in CA) a while back. It was easy and the banksters' nauseating attitudes are never in evidence there. Lower interest rates too if you tend to borrow money Here's some info:
 
>http://neweconomy.net/credit-unions-community-development-financial-institutions-and-community-banks
 
i joined the lockheed martin credit union in california yrs ago, and
they had better loan rates plus paid higher interest (back when banks
actually paid interest) and pretty much 0 fees.
 
anyone able to join a credit union likely should, wish i would've kept
mine.
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 27 09:08PM -0400

On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 20:24:10 +0300, Pelle Svanslos <pelle@svans.los>
wrote:
 
obama squelched the collusion talk because at the time they thought
hillary was going to win easily and nobody wanted anybody poking
around a russian interference issue with hillary's email server
sitting in the basement unprotected ( and potentially hacked).
would've been a killer. that's how obama rolled.
 
damn, have to explain the obvious to you.
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 27 09:04PM -0400

On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 20:35:29 +0300, Pelle Svanslos <pelle@svans.los>
wrote:
 
>https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/healthcare/news/2017/06/22/434917/coverage-losses-senate-health-care-bill-result-18100-27700-additional-deaths-2026/
 
>"Thanks, bob".
 
what do you mean by "coverage?"
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 27 09:06PM -0400

>Because they know that government is not the solution but part of the problem.
>Because they aren't appeasers like Obama.
>Because they are climate change sceptics.
 
learn how to spell skeptics dummkopf. :-) did i spell it right?
 
>Because they don't promote genderism.
>I liked a lot about the Dems from 1933 until about 2000.
 
like what?
 
> But in the last years they took a sharp left turn. Which enabled the orange clown to win the presidency.
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 27 09:01PM -0400

On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 09:33:51 -0700 (PDT), The Iceberg
 
>Not as old as you sour grapes types that still can't accept that Trump gave your Hillary a good thrashing in the election!!
 
carey wasn't for hillary. thankfully.
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 27 08:54PM -0400

On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 18:55:01 -0400, TennisGuy <TGuy@techsavvy.com>
wrote:
 
 
>Then the next floor above the middle meets the next floor below the
>middle and they take each other out.
 
>And so on... until all floors are taken out.
 
i asked you last wk if you were a structural engineer, physicist or
architect and you said no.
 
you're really out of your realm here. you're forced to listen to the
(likely unreliable or biased) view of others.
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 27 08:55PM -0400

>> Poor thing.
 
>> Max
 
>Trump core voters...
 
i want you to be big enough man to admit in a few yrs if trump is
doing a good job. seems he's improving daily.
 
bob
Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Jun 27 05:58PM -0700

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_E._Jones
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 27 08:56PM -0400

On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 09:44:46 +0800, Gerrit 't Hart <sad@for.you>
wrote:
 
 
>Maybe Trump is what happens when something like Hillary happened!
 
very observant.
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 27 08:49PM -0400


>https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/16pdf/16-1436_l6hc.pdf
 
>Georgia loss, Pelosi clinging at her job, and now this!
>A bad week for the "Resistance"
 
the "orange clown" is getting tired of winning! :-)
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 27 08:50PM -0400

>> You are a lawyer today?
 
>Never said anything else.
 
>But you know, the CIA can fake a lot of identities ...
 
sarcasm, eh?
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 27 08:30PM -0400

On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 08:38:42 -0700 (PDT), Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>
wrote:
 
 
>For where we are now here in 'murrica, I say again, Mr Trump is just
>perfect.
 
>Bernie Sanders/ Tulsi Gabbard 2020
 
whatup with jill stein?
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 27 08:31PM -0400

On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 18:08:32 +0200 (CEST), *skriptis
 
>Sure let's rate American president Trump based on his standings in
> Senegal. :D
>Or Russia, Germany, Israel, Japan, whatever.
 
trump has actually had a great political month. and CNN fired 2
reporters yesterday for faking a trump-russia collusion story (which
has drifted to back page news). his approval rating climbing daily.
 
bob
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jun 28 10:28AM +1000

On 28/06/2017 2:36 AM, Court_1 wrote:
 
> Ok, but if Nadal somehow loses early at Wimbledon or makes the final and loses there (especially to Federer) don't go claiming his form dropped again.
 
> The truth is his form has been incredible all year. If he's making hc slam finals he's playing some of his best tennis. Also, you said repeatedly after the AO final that Nadal's level was high in that final and that Federer grew some balls and outplayed him for once. Don't go back on that now and look like a weasel.
 
I'm not going back on anything. That was a great AO final - one of my
fave matches. Fed fans go nuts when it's suggested Rafa played even
better at FO - imo much better.
 
'On paper' Fed's chances are even better v Rafa at Wimbledon, given he
now has confidence of a slam win behind him. The big wildcard is Rafa's
form. Rafa is now super confident too after finally winning a slam
after 3 yrs, & what a way to win. Never looked more ferocious.
 
If you throw all that in to the mix, imo Rafa is the fave.
 
Hopefully it's fun/interesting slam to watch this yr.
 
: )
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jun 28 10:29AM +1000

On 28/06/2017 2:41 AM, Court_1 wrote:
>> Fed fans better hope & pray Rafa drops back to AO form to give Fed a
>> chance.
 
> And you better hope Federer forgets how to serve and hit his new and improved bh and ROS or else Sampras' most important record will be in the toilet! :)
 
I honestly would be happy for Fed to win the 8th. You're confusing me
with fanboys.
 
 
 
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bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 27 08:29PM -0400

On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 09:09:30 -0700 (PDT), Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>
wrote:
 
>https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/01/13/why-ridiculous-official-propaganda-still-works/
 
speaking of "propaganda" and "free speech" ever been to a gay pride
parade? i've been to a few: columbus OH, NYC few yrs ago and chicago
just last week. interesting what they call free speech.
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 27 08:27PM -0400

>> > I'm surprised that you, Carey and TennisGay accuse the Government so openly here in RST of mass murder. Aren't you afraid that they will come and silence you all??
 
>> Did you find some brain cells to read the article?
 
>I'm afraid the NSA might detect that I read the article. And terminate me ...
 
if anybody can the NSA can. they were eating popcorn listening to
merkel and others chit chatting. don't underestimate those folks!
 
bob
grif <griffin_230@hotmail.com>: Jun 27 08:34PM +0100

On 27/06/2017 11:05, Pelle Svanslos wrote:
>>> Nole trying to 'reboot'...
 
>> Nole needs new motherboard.
 
> I think the real Nole is abducted.
 
Novak Djokovic's peace mission may have neutered killer instinct – McEnroe.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/jun/25/novak-djokovic-killer-instinct-john-mcenroe-andre-agassi
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