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Wednesday, June 14, 2017

RzR <2r4z0r2@gmail.com>: Jun 14 07:55PM +0200

On 6/14/2017 6:13 PM, The Iceberg wrote:
> Tough fixed draw playing a 45 year old Tommy Haas!
 
nice of federer to let his friend through :)
stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: Jun 14 01:45PM -0500

> On 6/14/2017 11:09 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> Ineffective on break points.
 
I tried to explain that Fed was taking a big risk skipping all of the
clay season. Two months is a long time in tennis and there's no
guarantee he still has, or can regain, the form he had in the spring.
 
 
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SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Jun 14 11:49AM -0700

On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 2:45:57 PM UTC-4, StephenJ wrote:
 
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Yeah..that was my concern as well.
TennisGuy <TGuy@techsavvy.com>: Jun 14 02:51PM -0400

On 6/14/2017 1:55 PM, RzR wrote:
> On 6/14/2017 6:13 PM, The Iceberg wrote:
>> Tough fixed draw playing a 45 year old Tommy Haas!
 
> nice of federer to let his friend through :)
 
I could have sworn Haas retired a few years ago?
stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: Jun 14 01:52PM -0500

On 6/14/2017 1:49 PM, SliceAndDice wrote:
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> Yeah..that was my concern as well.
 
I understood his need to rest. He played a grueling spring, not sure why
he felt the need to play both of the Masters-level HC events, that
always is draining. But I thought he should have played the FO, IMO he
erred too much on the side of avoiding injury and resting.
 
Obviously, this one result doesn't mean his strategy is a failure, it
could prove to be a success. But it's a bad sign to start out with.
bmoore@nyx.net: Jun 14 11:05AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 13, 2017 at 12:01:03 PM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:
 
> > :)
 
> Normal people have more disgust with bunch of illiterate athletes
> stirring division in a society.
 
First of all, they didn't say they wouldn't go. That's fake news. Seriously.
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Jun 14 08:15PM +0200


>> Normal people have more disgust with bunch of illiterate athletes
>> stirring division in a society.
 
> First of all, they didn't say they wouldn't go. That's fake news. Seriously.
 
I can only comment on the stuff that's been leaked out.
 
I'm sure they'll reconsider their decision, given the fact that
the scheduled reception is in autumn and them being aware of the
bad PR.
 
But the rationale behind rejection would be simply racist and
divisive. There's no justification for a bunch of athletes
boycotting current president in any way.
 
Nadal was always honoured when meeting the King as was Murray I
believe meeting his Queen.
 

 
 
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Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Jun 14 11:40AM -0700

On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 11:30:03 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:
 
> I can only comment on the stuff that's been leaked out.
 
 
In other words, you feel like it would be irresponsible not to speculate.
Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: Jun 14 11:45AM -0700

On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 11:30:03 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:
 
> boycotting current president in any way.
 
> Nadal was always honoured when meeting the King as was Murray I
> believe meeting his Queen.
 
That's a very different thing. First of all, kings and queens aren't elected officials. They come from a line of succession with deep cultural roots in their country. Second, the USA has very different origins than those countries. We were borne of dissent, rebellion, and a tradition of individuality. Americans as a rule don't automatically kowtow to kings, queens, or presidents. And last but not least, unlike many statesman who have spent a lifetime cultivating respect, Trump in a mere five months as president has devalued and desecrated the office he holds. In America, respect for officials isn't an entitlement, it is something earned. Our less-than-illustrious "leader" simply hasn't earned it.
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com>: Jun 14 06:51PM

On Wed, 14 Jun 2017 20:15:20 +0200, *skriptis wrote:
 
> But the rationale behind rejection would be simply racist and
> divisive. There's no justification for a bunch of athletes boycotting
> current president in any way.
 
Maybe they have better things to do than kiss the president's ring.
stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: Jun 14 01:49PM -0500

On 6/14/2017 8:24 AM, TT wrote:
 
> Obviously de Havilland and Burton are almost impossible to match - not
> to mention the magnificent moody b/w cinematography. Completely needless
> remake.
 
Burton was aces in the 1952 movie, de Havilland kind of mailed it in,
which is why i don't think it quite makes classic status. Still pretty
good but she wasn't on top of her game in that one.
 
 
 
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SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Jun 14 11:12AM -0700

On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 1:40:54 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> > And a real hunk too. Out of the window without a doubt. If he doesn't
> win Halle everyone and their dog will be smelling blood...
 
> I don't think he will win Halle. I hope he gets two matches there.
 
He reached the semis last year, when he was not 100% fit physically. He just got a bad draw, playing a guy who knows his game inside out. Can someone refuse to have a 1st round bye? LOL. It clearly hurt Roger as Haas had played yesterday.
Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: Jun 14 11:29AM -0700

On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 11:12:49 AM UTC-7, SliceAndDice wrote:
> > win Halle everyone and their dog will be smelling blood...
 
> > I don't think he will win Halle. I hope he gets two matches there.
 
> He reached the semis last year, when he was not 100% fit physically. He just got a bad draw, playing a guy who knows his game inside out. Can someone refuse to have a 1st round bye? LOL. It clearly hurt Roger as Haas had played yesterday.
 
Players should wait until they retire before becoming good buddies and frequent practice partners with anyone. I've seen this many times over the years, where a titan gets beaten by a relative hack that's just too familiar with his game from many hours on the practice court. In fact, in such cases the journeyman is really taking unfair advantage of their friendship by using it to upend the natural order of things. That's why McEnroe didn't speak to Peter Fleming for weeks after losing to him at some tournament once (I always hated Fleming anyway, but that's neither here nor there).
 
Still, this result has no bearing on Wimbledon one way or the other. I don't expect Federer to actually win the thing anyway. He'll be 36 in a couple of months, and he lost to that oaf Raonic last year. So assuming that he'll win or even get to the final is too much. It *could* happen, but I certainly don't expect it.
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Jun 14 11:33AM -0700

> He reached the semis last year, when he was not 100% fit physically. He just got a bad draw, playing a guy who knows his game inside out. Can someone refuse to have a 1st round bye? LOL. It clearly hurt Roger as Haas had played yesterday.
 
I didn't mean it in a negative way. He needs few matches before Wimbledon. The opponents he will play in Halle will probably have many more matches on grass than he did (he had one).
The margin of winning or losing on grass is very thin and he will need to be in top gear to win it which I doubt if there are big hitters waiting for him.
arahim <arahim_arahim@hotmail.com>: Jun 14 11:34AM -0700

On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 10:15:05 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:
 
> > The problem is he won't get enough matches practice.
 
> Losing to a semi-retired 39 year old... there goes out of the window his
> desperately preserved aura and confidence. LOL
 
He also had an early loss before the Indian Wells-Miami double to Donskoy.
SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Jun 14 11:37AM -0700

On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 2:29:35 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
 
> > He reached the semis last year, when he was not 100% fit physically. He just got a bad draw, playing a guy who knows his game inside out. Can someone refuse to have a 1st round bye? LOL. It clearly hurt Roger as Haas had played yesterday.
 
> Players should wait until they retire before becoming good buddies and frequent practice partners with anyone. I've seen this many times over the years, where a titan gets beaten by a relative hack that's just too familiar with his game from many hours on the practice court. In fact, in such cases the journeyman is really taking unfair advantage of their friendship by using it to upend the natural order of things. That's why McEnroe didn't speak to Peter Fleming for weeks after losing to him at some tournament once (I always hated Fleming anyway, but that's neither here nor there).
 
> Still, this result has no bearing on Wimbledon one way or the other. I don't expect Federer to actually win the thing anyway. He'll be 36 in a couple of months, and he lost to that oaf Raonic last year. So assuming that he'll win or even get to the final is too much. It *could* happen, but I certainly don't expect it.
Yes, best to keep our expectations low. Roger *can* win if he plays like he did during the first three months of the year. But clearly he is not there at the moment.
Guypers <gapp111@gmail.com>: Jun 14 11:42AM -0700

On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 2:34:14 PM UTC-4, arahim wrote:
 
> > Losing to a semi-retired 39 year old... there goes out of the window his
> > desperately preserved aura and confidence. LOL
 
> He also had an early loss before the Indian Wells-Miami double to Donskoy.
I
 
Fed will lose either in the q or semi final at the big W, I am picking Rafa to beat Murray in the final!
SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Jun 14 11:43AM -0700

On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 11:00:23 AM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote:
 
> 1) Federer's form looks pretty good for his first grass-court match.
 
> 2) Tommy Haas is without a doubt the best looking professional male tennis player ever. So handsome.
 
> That's all.
 
Without a doubt? :) How about Borg, Safin, Moya, Philippousis etc?
SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Jun 14 11:47AM -0700

On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 2:42:03 PM UTC-4, Guypers wrote:
 
> > He also had an early loss before the Indian Wells-Miami double to Donskoy.
> I
 
> Fed will lose either in the q or semi final at the big W, I am picking Rafa to beat Murray in the final!
 
Noooo..you take that back now! :)
stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: Jun 14 01:43PM -0500

On 6/14/2017 8:25 AM, soccerfan777 wrote:
>> get laughed at and everyone else will go on thinking Nadal greater
>> anyway. IOW's, I will be in an echo chamber of one.
 
> Galileo was laughed at as well... and executed as well.
 
Galileo was analyzing objective natural realities, so could be proven
correct in the end. You can't.
 
 
 
 
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arahim <arahim_arahim@hotmail.com>: Jun 14 11:38AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 13, 2017 at 3:26:02 PM UTC-7, SliceAndDice wrote:
> Interesting choice.
 
Could be an interesting second half of the year if Djokovic and Murray remain in a funk and Federer doesn't quite get it right and Nadal skips everything.
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Jun 14 06:15PM +0200


> <https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/politics/articles/2017-06-13/russian-breach-of-39-states-threatens-future-u-s-elections>
 
> lol
 
 
 
Indeed.
 
It's so exciting and scary to see Southern Bible belt types like
Jeff Sessions or Yankee New York billionaire like Trump working
for the Kremlin.
 
All is lost.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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