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Tuesday, June 20, 2017

alinefx@alinefx.com: Jun 20 04:34AM -0700

You mean beating nobodies till the final? You can try all you want, but the day when Federer wins his eighth Wimbledon, you should just be banished from here like the goddamn prisoners in the Phantom zone. you're willing for him not to win will not amount to anything, you know why… Because he's way better than your stupid third place Sampras man...
alinefx@alinefx.com: Jun 20 04:35AM -0700

How funny it will be at the end of this year if Fed has six more slams than Sampras, man...
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Jun 20 05:29AM -0700

> You mean beating nobodies till the final? You can try all you want, but the day when Federer wins his eighth Wimbledon, you should just be banished from here like the goddamn prisoners in the Phantom zone. you're willing for him not to win will not amount to anything, you know why… Because he's way better than your stupid third place Sampras man...
 
Federer won a lot already, icey has issues with success.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jun 20 07:46PM +1000

On 20/06/2017 5:04 AM, SliceAndDice wrote:
 
> Score!
 
Miss.
 
Rafa is not a clown, Stan is not a clown. Rafa crushed Stan in FO
final. Respect.
 
 
 
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"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.los>: Jun 20 03:00PM +0300

On 20.6.2017 12:34, The Iceberg wrote:
> You forgot the rest where he says he wouldn't want Britian to be part of it, you liar.
 
You are right. I would normally offer apologies, but won't until you
kindly rewind. The full quote is:
 
"I must now sum up the propositions which are before you. Our constant
aim must be to build and fortify the strength of the United Nations
Organization. Under and within that world concept we must recreate the
European Family in a regional structure called, it may be, the United
States of Europe. And the first practical step would be to form a
Council of Europe. If at first all the States of Europe are not willing
or able to join the Union, we must nevertheless proceed to assemble and
combine those who will and those who can. The salvation of the common
people of every race and of every land from war or servitude must be
established on solid foundations and must be guarded by the readiness of
all men and women to die rather than submit to tyranny. In all this
urgent work, France and Germany must take the lead together. Great
Britain, the British Commonwealth of Nations, mighty America and I trust
Soviet Russia-for then indeed all would be well-must be the friends and
sponsors of the new Europe and must champion its right to live and shine".
 
http://www.churchill-in-zurich.ch/site/assets/files/1807/rede_winston_churchill_englisch.pdf
 
In a broader context, Churchill's stance seems to be anything but clear
cut. His views change. The practicalities of daily politics change.
 
"When read fully and in context, my opinion is that Churchill not only
enthusiastically believed in the ever-closer union of Europe, in which
the UK would play a leading role, but also eventually a world
government. He was, at the least, a confederalist.
 
And although it seems that Churchill didn't at first envisage Britain
being a full member of 'a kind of' United States of Europe, it's clear
that Churchill's views later changed, as the British Empire and
Commonwealth diminished, and Britain's world influence shifted.
(Churchill was renowned for changing his views according to
circumstances: he started his political life as a Conservative MP; then
resigned to become a Liberal MP; then resigned from the Liberals to
become a Conservative MP again).
 
During a debate in June 1950 in the House of Commons to discuss a united
Europe, Churchill said that he could not 'at present' foresee Britain
being 'a member of a Federal Union of Europe'. However, Churchill went
on to explain that this was primarily because of Britain's position,
'at the centre of the British Empire and Commonwealth', and, 'our
fraternal association with the United States of America.'
 
Crucially, in answering the question 'Are you prepared to part with any
degree of national sovereignty in any circumstances for the sake of a
larger synthesis?', Churchill responded:
 
'We are prepared to consider and, if convinced, to accept the abrogation
of national sovereignty, provided that we are satisfied with the
conditions and the safeguards… national sovereignty is not inviolable,
and it may be resolutely diminished for the sake of all men in all the
lands finding their way home together.'
 
Commenting on this in his autobiography, 'The course of my life', Edward
Heath wrote, 'This shows conclusively that, for all his practical
reservations during the late 1940s and early 1950s, Churchill was never
in principle against our membership of the European Community.'
 
Churchill made his last speech about Europe at London's Central Hall,
Westminster in July 1957; some four months after six founding nations
established the European Economic Community by signing the Treaty of
Rome (France, Italy, West Germany, Belgium, The Netherlands and
Luxembourg). Churchill welcomed the formation of a 'common market' by
the six, provided that 'the whole of free Europe will have access'.
Churchill added, 'we genuinely wish to join'.
 
But Churchill also warned:
 
'If, on the other hand, the European trade community were to be
permanently restricted to the six nations, the results might be worse
than if nothing were done at all – worse for them as well as for us. It
would tend not to unite Europe but to divide it – and not only in the
economic field.' (Source: Winston S. Churchill: His Complete Speeches
Vol. 8 page 8681)".
 
http://eu-rope.ideasoneurope.eu/2013/11/10/winston-churchill-a-founder-of-the-european-union/
 
There's a good discussion at the end also, If you have the stamina for
it, which I doubt.
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Jun 20 01:48PM +0200

> You forgot the rest where he says he wouldn't want Britian to be part of it, you liar.
 
Normally.
 
 
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Jun 20 02:07PM +0200


> http://eu-rope.ideasoneurope.eu/2013/11/10/winston-churchill-a-founder-of-the-european-union/
 
> There's a good discussion at the end also, If you have the stamina for
> it, which I doubt.
 
Don't you realize it's failed thing to quote a man describing his
world 70 years ago to suggest eg how should Europe look
today?
 
You might as well quoted Napoleon, Charles the great, Justinian or
Julius Caesar.
 
 
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"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.los>: Jun 20 12:22PM +0300

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCtR_XeXcAEnWrT.jpg:large
Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Jun 20 07:37AM -0700

Poor Cashie- guy just hates Fed, and if his appearance is to be trusted, it's driving him to heavy drink:
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/cash-tips-apos-incredibly-deadly-132420990.html
kaennorsing <ljubitsis@hotmail.com>: Jun 20 08:13AM -0700

Op dinsdag 20 juni 2017 16:37:06 UTC+2 schreef Carey:
> Poor Cashie- guy just hates Fed, and if his appearance is to be trusted, it's driving him to heavy drink:
 
> https://www.yahoo.com/news/cash-tips-apos-incredibly-deadly-132420990.html
 
But what makes him think Murray is the only one to possibly stop Federer at Wimbledon? Because he lucked out, playing a half-dead Fed in that gold-medal match 5 years ago?
"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.los>: Jun 20 11:58AM +0300

Lawyers seeking to unseal documents related to the criminal past of a
former business partner of President Donald Trump said in federal court
on Monday that the documents may contain evidence that Trump committed
fraud.
 
The sealed documents are from a federal case against Felix Sater, who
Trump reportedly tapped as a senior advisor for his real-estate business
in the 2000s even after Sater's earlier role in a Mafia-linked stock
scheme became public.
 
"A fellow named Donald Trump is now president and he had a business
associate named [Sater.] The public needs to know the length of their
relationship and the nature of the relationship and what kind of person
[Sater] is," attorney Richard Lerner said in Brooklyn federal court
Monday afternoon. "By allowing this regime of secrecy to continue, it's
facilitating what may have been fraud by President Trump."
 
It was unclear from the court proceeding what acts by Trump could
possibly be construed as criminal. But after court ended, Lerner told
Newsweek that if Trump knowingly did real estate with a convicted felon,
that could constitute financial fraud.
 
Sater served a year in prison in 1993 for stabbing a man in the face
with a broken glass. Five years later, he pleaded guilty to taking part
in a $40 million Mafia stock fraud scheme and avoided prison by working
as a confidential informant for the FBI, The Los Angeles Times reported.
While he was still reportedly working for the feds, Sater spent years
trying to line up deals for Trump's real estate empire around the world
beginning in 2003. Trump backed away from Sater when the latter's
criminal past became public in 2007. But about three years later, the
real estate mogul started working with him again, according to the
Associated Press.
 
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-sater-mafia-mob-bayrock-russia-court-brooklyn-fraud-behar-627408
 
"I see jailed people".
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com>: Jun 20 05:05AM

On Mon, 19 Jun 2017 16:05:43 -0700, Manuel aka Xax wrote:
 
> Pointless waste of ressource !
> Windows is the worst suited OS one can pick to build a virtualization
> machine.
 
That depends on what you are trying to virtualize.
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Jun 20 06:28AM -0700

On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 8:39:26 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:

> But it is something we would all love to know. When Jimbo said he would
> pick Mac to 'play for his life' he's essentially saying Mac was the boat
> of his era. Otherwise he'd pick Borg no?
 
 
Link or I don't believe you. Connors hated McEnroe.
 
I have read that Connors would pick Pancho Gonzales to play for his life and that when Connors was asked which player between Borg and McEnroe was the greatest he ever faced he replied that they were tied for second behind Gonzales. Here's the link (you see I can provide links to back up my statements, can you?)
 
"Jimmy Connors, Bud Collins and Charlie Pasarell have all echoed the sentiment that if their lives were to depend on another player bringing home a match, they would pick you. Jimmy had some first hand knowledge because he came up against you in the quarterfinals of a tournament when you were 43 years old and he had arrived on the scene with his great baseline game. You announced not only your intention of winning but your intention of also playing strictly from the baseline too. You accomplished both intentions. More recently, Connors surprised and perhaps bewildered an interviewer who asked him whether Borg or McEnroe was the greatest player he ever faced. Connors replied they were tied for second behind you."
 
http://www.worldtennismagazine.com/archives/314
 
Plus, all of this doesn't change the fact that Borg is considered greater than McEnroe in the tennis great hierarchy. That's all that matters and not all of your worthless chatter on the subject.
Guypers <gapp111@gmail.com>: Jun 20 07:02AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 9:28:04 AM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote:
 
> "Jimmy Connors, Bud Collins and Charlie Pasarell have all echoed the sentiment that if their lives were to depend on another player bringing home a match, they would pick you. Jimmy had some first hand knowledge because he came up against you in the quarterfinals of a tournament when you were 43 years old and he had arrived on the scene with his great baseline game. You announced not only your intention of winning but your intention of also playing strictly from the baseline too. You accomplished both intentions. More recently, Connors surprised and perhaps bewildered an interviewer who asked him whether Borg or McEnroe was the greatest player he ever faced. Connors replied they were tied for second behind you."
 
> http://www.worldtennismagazine.com/archives/314
 
> Plus, all of this doesn't change the fact that Borg is considered greater than McEnroe in the tennis great hierarchy. That's all that matters and not all of your worthless chatter on the subject.
 
Tier 1: Fed, Laver, Borg, Stimpy, Rafa, Novak
Tier 2: Agassia, Lendl, Pancho, Rosewall, Budge
Tier 3: Connors, Mac, Becker, Edberg, Emmo, Newk, Mats
 
99% of tennis players agree with this rating!
Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Jun 20 08:02AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 6:28:04 AM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
 
 
> I have read that Connors would pick Pancho Gonzales to play for his life and that when Connors was asked which player between Borg and McEnroe was the greatest he ever faced he replied that they were tied for second behind Gonzales. Here's the link (you see I can provide links to back up my statements, can you?)
 
> "Jimmy Connors, Bud Collins and Charlie Pasarell have all echoed the sentiment that if their lives were to depend on another player bringing home a match, they would pick you. Jimmy had some first hand knowledge because he came up against you in the quarterfinals of a tournament when you were 43 years old and he had arrived on the scene with his great baseline game. You announced not only your intention of winning but your intention of also playing strictly from the baseline too. You accomplished both intentions. More recently, Connors surprised and perhaps bewildered an interviewer who asked him whether Borg or McEnroe was the greatest player he ever faced. Connors replied they were tied for second behind you."
 
> http://www.worldtennismagazine.com/archives/314
 
 
Excellent find C1! I had been thinking Gonzales was 41 when he beat Connors, but 43, from the
baseline... almost incredible.
 
I miss WT- it was a good mag until its last few years.
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Jun 20 01:54PM +0200

> > Lefty idiots like Pelle are trying to pretend this attack was exactly the same as those done by the global generally coordinated Islamic terrorist movement, as you say, very dumb.
 
> It's exactly the same kind of attack, the individuals go to kill other people and are usually brainwashed or driven by hate.
 
 
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"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.los>: Jun 20 03:05PM +0300

On 20.6.2017 14:21, PeteWasLucky wrote:
>> Lefty idiots like Pelle are trying to pretend this attack was exactly the same as those done by the global generally coordinated Islamic terrorist movement, as you say, very dumb.
 
> It's exactly the same kind of attack, the individuals go to kill other people and are usually brainwashed or driven by hate.
 
Not an isolated incident either. I've posted several articles on Trump
giving domestic white supremacists a free pass.
 
Trump is a racist.
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Jun 20 02:17PM +0200


> Not an isolated incident either. I've posted several articles on Trump
> giving domestic white supremacists a free pass.
 
> Trump is a racist.
 
Nobody buys that shit, but even if true, so what? TT here admitted
he's a bit racist as well.
 
It's a free world and hippies spoke about free love. So even
leftist should be able to understand the concept.

 
It means you should be free to give your love to whom ever you
like. Forcing people to love or like everyone equally is
totalitarianism.
 
You seem like a totalitarian type.
 
 
 
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"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.los>: Jun 19 11:54PM +0300

Donald Trump tweeted about the terrorist attacks in Paris in November
2015 about 3½ hours after they occurred. The following month, he tweeted
about the mass shooting in San Bernardino, Calif., 90 minutes after the
violence began. It took fewer than 12 hours from the time an EgyptAir
flight went missing in May 2016 for Trump to speculate publicly that the
attack was terror-related. More than a year later, it's still not clear
what happened to the plane.
 
When terrorists drove a van into a crowd on London Bridge earlier this
month, Trump tweeted about the need to be "smart, vigilant and tough"
even before authorities identified terror as the motive behind the attack.
 
About 15 hours ago, as of this writing, a man drove a van into a group
of Muslims near a mosque in London. The attack, which killed one person
and injured 10 others, is being treated as terror-related by authorities
in Britain. Prime Minister Theresa May described the attack as "every
bit as sickening" as the attacks at the London Bridge and, earlier this
year, on Westminster Bridge.
 
Trump tweeted his condolences to the victims of those two earlier
attacks — both linked to the Islamic State — the same day they happened.
Trump has not tweeted about Sunday night's attack on Muslims.
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/06/19/why-wont-donald-trump-rush-to-tweet-criticism-of-attacks-against-muslims/?utm_term=.dc426327bf7f
"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.los>: Jun 19 11:31PM +0300

On 19.6.2017 23:22, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
> is the source of danger for the Middle East and the whole world on a
> qualitatively new level."
 
> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/19/world/middleeast/russia-syria.html
 
Oh, yeah. And
 
"all flying objects" belonging to the U.S.-led coalition in Syria
"detected west of the Euphrates" river will now be "followed by Russian
air-defense systems as targets." In other words: You tread on our turf,
and we just might tread on yours.
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Jun 20 01:52PM +0200


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What if he loses early? It's actually quite arrogant from him.
Murray was never like this before.
 
Must be Lendl influence.
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Brian W Lawrence <brian_w_lawrence@msn.com>: Jun 20 03:22PM +0100

On 20/06/2017 12:52, *skriptis wrote:
 
 
>> <https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/andy-murray-plans-donate-queen-213000011.html>
 
>> The tournament winner will receive ~£346,000.
 
> What if he loses early?
 
His donation is smaller. His donation of itself isn't that significant,
it's a welcome gesture, which is matched by many others, including
several other sports stars.
 
"The world No1 joins the Arsenal defender Hector Bellerin, who said on
Saturday that he would give £50 to the fund for every minute he plays at
the European Under-21 Championship in Poland. If Spain, the tournament
favourites, reach the final, they will have played five matches and
Bellerin's contribution could be as high as £22,500.
 
"The Manchester City midfielder Raheem Sterling has also promised to
give 'a substantial sum'.
 
"Ascot Racecourse is also making a donation of £100,000 to The British
Red Cross UK Solidarity and London Fire Relief Funds and Local
Charities, to support those affected."
 
> It's actually quite arrogant from him.
 
I'm sure he doesn't assume he will win, rather he is confident of doing
well. A certain amount of confidence, and possibly even arrogance is
often helpful in sport.
 
 
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alinefx@alinefx.com: Jun 20 04:27AM -0700

Only a desi GUJJU choot would wander out on the internet like you do. Go stuff your asshole with pav bhaji moron.
alinefx@alinefx.com: Jun 20 04:28AM -0700

He's an Indian dog. Let him bark.
John Liang <jliang70@gmail.com>: Jun 20 04:37AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 9:21:39 PM UTC+10, Whisper wrote:
 
> > There's no such thing as a boat, other than what travels by water. It's a completely arbitrary thing, merely for fanboys of players with no GOAT credentials.
 
> If that's true, can you explain why Connors said he'd pick McEnroe to
> win a match for his life? Why not pick Borg if Borg is greater?
 
Never heard of it. I have heard Connors said he would pick himself to play for his life but not any other players Mac and Borg included.
 
 
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