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Wednesday, June 7, 2017

Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Jun 07 07:01AM -0700

I can see Galchenyuk getting more on a multi-year deal, or Markov getting less on 2-year deal (which I'd pursue for him). Term will be a factor. Radulov probably also depends on what the external market is - are enough other teams with openings convinced that his past is behind him like we are? - if so, as perhaps the best UFA forward on the market his price could go through the roof.
 
If MB loses these players I really wonder what he'll manage. I get the sense again that he is going to have many irons in many fires throughout the next month. From the expansion draft considerations on through the draft and FA frenzy, I bet he's going to explore a ton of things, he usually does. Can't fault him on effort anyway. Though of course he ultimately gets judged on the end result.
 
So while his intentions/explorations could be all over the map on your 3 options (trading for Duchene, trading away Sergachev or other futures, trying to pick up the #3 overall draft pick)... the track record suggests that what he ultimately settles on will end up looking like Option 3, even if there were more dramatic options he considered which would have fallen under the other categories.
 
l8r,
Gerry
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: Jun 07 08:48AM -0700

Getting rid of both Pleks and Emelin would free a significant amount of cap space. Neither are worth the cap space they tie up. Cheaper 3rd line center options and Emelin should be paid 2 mill less
Nyssa <Nyssa@flawlesslogic.com>: Jun 07 12:29PM -0400

Chuck wrote:
 
> significant amount of cap space. Neither are worth the cap
> space they tie up. Cheaper 3rd line center options and
> Emelin should be paid 2 mill less
 
Agreed. No way is Plecks worth $6M cap hit.
 
With the average draft prospects this year, he's be nuts to
try to move up by trading picks or by trading away prospects.
But we *are* talking about MB here, so no telling what he's
thinking.
 
There are no better players on the FA market this time than
two we already have: my pet and Radu, so going after FAs from
other sources would be a wasted effort and probably would want
more than they're actually worth. Better to use that money and
effort to ensure that Radu stays put and that the draft
picks are actually pieces we need, not just those who might
be highly rated. (Hint: center and top defense, not future
pluggers.)
 
Plus there needs to be some work on the Price re-signing too.
 
It'll be interesting (and probably frightening) to see who
is left unprotected for the expansion draft.
 
Geez, this two day wait between playoff games sucks. Nothing
like killing the buzz from the last game while the talking
heads try to dig up more inane chatter to fill the airwaves
until the next puck drop.
 
Nyssa, who has heard that the NHL will be sprinkling the names
of the expansion pick lists in between the award ceremonies
which will well and truly suck too
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Jun 07 10:30AM -0700

On Wednesday, June 7, 2017 at 12:29:58 PM UTC-4, Nyssa wrote:
...
> Nyssa, who has heard that the NHL will be sprinkling the names
> of the expansion pick lists in between the award ceremonies
> which will well and truly suck too
 
What a way to try to get us to watch the lame awards show. :(
 
l8r,
Gerry
Mike <mike@gmail.com>: Jun 07 02:32PM -0300

Am in complete agreement that Pleks is not worth $6M but he's only got
one year left. If the Habs can get a bona fide #1 or #1B centre, he
would make a very useful shutdown #3 Centre. Now, maybe they can't fit
him under the cap in that situation but even still, the UFA market is
thin on centres so only a trade would seem to be the option that brings
in the centre they're looking for. Nobody is taking Pleks for free I
don't think so he's with this team next year by the looks of it.
 
My take on the Habs is the same as it was last year - we're a lot closer
to a rebuild than we are a cup. I see no way that this team competes for
a cup next year without some serious influx of talent - a #1 centre, a
first pairing D Man, Radulov or someone of his ilk. No way they're
fitting that under the cap.
 
And I agree with the Jim who feels that MB will tinker around the edges,
sign Price and hope for the best.
 
Its time all Habs fans were honest with themselves. The core that MB and
Therrien inherited has been wasted. Its rebuild time. And don't listen
to the talking heads on TSN690 - fans wont put up with a rebuild.
Horseshit. We've been fed a steady feed of baloney sandwiches for 25
years. I'll eat some spam for 5 years if it means I can get some prime
rib eventually.
 
On 06/07/2017 01:29 PM, Nyssa wrote:
Nyssa <Nyssa@flawlesslogic.com>: Jun 07 01:39PM -0400

Gerry wrote:
 
> :(
 
> l8r,
> Gerry
 
Since the awards ceremony is shown on a channel unavailable
to me, I won't be watching anyway.
 
This approach is sort of a new take on "winners and losers."
They announce the winner of one award, then do a cut to a
list of players left unprotected by their teams for the
expansion draft...the losers...and which one will be moving
to Nevada this fall.
 
Although some may say having to live and play in Las Vegas
is a win-win, I'm not one of 'em.
 
Nyssa, who has no desire to either visit Vegas or to hear
Celine Dionne murder two national anthems
Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Jun 07 10:48AM -0700

I think when they talk about fans not putting up with a rebuild, it's not necessarily us they'd be talking about. The Habs have a lot of fans. All around the world, all around Canada. But as much as the die-hards would indeed stick it out, I think there is lots of room for them to lose - or temporarily lose - some of the more casual or out-of-market fans who could latch onto something else while the Habs rebuilt.
 
And for myself, I wouldn't have a ton of confidence in having Bergevin overseeing a rebuild either. It wouldn't be a compelling process that would keep me especially interested in following the team. I'd frankly prefer the tinkering, the off-chance hope that they somehow land another lucky Radulov find or two.
 
Such a shame they let the Shipachyov ship sail away to Vegas. For all that he may have bombed, I think the Habs are in the kind of situation where they have to take any free Hail Marys like that who come along.
 
l8r,
Gerry
Mike <mike@gmail.com>: Jun 07 04:50PM -0300

On 06/07/2017 02:39 PM, Nyssa wrote:
> is a win-win, I'm not one of 'em.
 
> Nyssa, who has no desire to either visit Vegas or to hear
> Celine Dionne murder two national anthems
 
Holy dogshit. You know something, you're bang on. Celine Dion will
indeed do the anthems, you just watch. Have your barf bags ready. And
you can bet your bottom fucking dollar it will be against the Canadiens.
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: Jun 07 01:21PM -0700

On Wednesday, June 7, 2017 at 1:32:30 PM UTC-4, Mike wrote:
 
> > Nyssa, who has heard that the NHL will be sprinkling the names
> > of the expansion pick lists in between the award ceremonies
> > which will well and truly suck too
 
If they could lock him in as a 3rd line center, I`d be happy. Unfortunately he and his anemic scoring stats always seem to chew up 1st and 2nd line minutes. As long as he gets those minutes, Montreal will still suffer from offensive draught. He is missing from the box scores too many games. Why keep him? Unless he would be willing to accept a hefty pay cut, he will not be resigned. He doesn`t make his wingers better. No one will improve as a winger on his line, so if the goal is to develop talent, keeping him will spin the tires.
Jim Bauch <j.bauch@ca.rr.com>: Jun 07 01:24PM -0700

On Wednesday, June 7, 2017 at 10:32:30 AM UTC-7, Mike wrote:
> thin on centres so only a trade would seem to be the option that brings
> in the centre they're looking for. Nobody is taking Pleks for free I
> don't think so he's with this team next year by the looks of it.
 
I agree that nobody will take him this summer. By the trade deadline, though, the cap hit will be much less of a factor and the Habs could move him for a 3rd or even a 2nd rounder -- though they presumably won't if they're still in contention for the playoffs. Ditto for Emelin.
 
> a cup next year without some serious influx of talent - a #1 centre, a
> first pairing D Man, Radulov or someone of his ilk. No way they're
> fitting that under the cap.
 
Yeah, I put on my optimist's cap and try to squint real hard and see if I can make out a Cup in the future, and it's still pretty damn hard. Maybe if Julien really implements a more effective system and gets some guys going again. Maybe if Pacioretty finds a way to be effective in the playoffs. If Price can carry them. If Galchenyuk continues to improve. If there's an unexpected pleasant surprise from a young player. If Markov can continue to be effective. If all those things go right.... MAYBE a real Cinderella run is possible. Maybe.
 
> Horseshit. We've been fed a steady feed of baloney sandwiches for 25
> years. I'll eat some spam for 5 years if it means I can get some prime
> rib eventually.
 
I'm not even sure what it's supposed to mean to say that "fans won't put up with a rebuild." As MB likes to remind us, fans don't run the team. If they did, Subban wouldn't have been traded. Therrien would have been fired sooner. Etc.
 
If a GM proposes to rebuild the team, and ownership signs off on it, then a rebuild is happening. Even if fans suddenly rebel and ... what? Stop buying tickets? Don't watch the broadcasts? Well, at worst it's a short-term drop in revenues. Perhaps there are some teams whose owners can't afford to absorb a short-term loss, but I wouldn't think the Habs would be one of them.
 
Jim
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: Jun 07 01:27PM -0700

On Wednesday, June 7, 2017 at 1:32:30 PM UTC-4, Mike wrote:
 
> > Nyssa, who has heard that the NHL will be sprinkling the names
> > of the expansion pick lists in between the award ceremonies
> > which will well and truly suck too
 
I`d rather they lose with players who will learn and be better next season, then players who will be gone the following season. They need to get the age of their defense corps lower and get consistent depth beyond one line of players. Otherwise MB's "Tinkering" will only succeed in getting a less useful first round pick.
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