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Thursday, May 11, 2017

Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: May 11 08:38AM -0700

On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 4:27:14 AM UTC-7, Federer Fanatic wrote:
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> Yes...that would be funny, even better if Fed won the match...
 
> FF
 
From a 'practical - nuts and bolts' point of view, the problem Federer would have against Rafa on clay is the percentage(s) of serves which would come back (WHICH DON'T on, say, hardcourt, be they aces, unretrunables or even 1-2 put away sitters)+ with the ball in play much (significantly) more often, the number of extended rallies goes up, and thus, it 'tends' to redefine the game-scape of the match-up Federer's been crafting the last 4 meeting... the match becoming more of a physical endurance match than tactical shot making duel... Federer's current advantages (vs. Rafa) are build on moving 4 critical percentages/factors: His ability to sustain service unreturnables and/or easy knock-off 1-2's; Federer's backhand-top spin cross court ascendency in relation to Rafa's forehand; Federer's sharpened backhand top-spinning service return, and, second serve percentages VS. Rafa's (which used to be a liability for Feds vs. Rafa)...
 
On clay Federer's going to have to contest more balls, run more, lose a certain percentage of 'through the court penetration' off both his forehand and backhand, and thus the 'character of the match' becomes less "first strike" or "situational dominance" and more about a protracted mental grind, a struggle to carve out far more heavily contested sapping points... not his best option these days, and in fact, ever really...
 
Doesn't guarantee Rafa/Nole a win over Feds on clay, but for Rafa specifically, it would notably ups his odds...
 
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Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: May 11 08:45AM -0700

On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 8:38:11 AM UTC-7, Patrick Kehoe wrote:
 
 
> On clay Federer's going to have to contest more balls, run more, lose a certain percentage of 'through the court penetration' off both his forehand and backhand, and thus the 'character of the match' becomes less "first strike" or "situational dominance" and more about a protracted mental grind, a struggle to carve out far more heavily contested sapping points... not his best option these days, and in fact, ever really...
 
> Doesn't guarantee Rafa/Nole a win over Feds on clay, but for Rafa specifically, it would notably ups his odds...

> P
 
EVEN WITH Rafa himself trying to shorten points more often on clay as well! Plenty of ironies to go around here... One good note for Federer vs. Rafa on clay would be that Federer might well adopt a pseudo-Fognini type of tactic, a kind of mirroring of the power counter tennis Foggy uses against Rafa, with a touch more precision, it could be Federer's best hope... And that would be at least possible for Federer, so, Feds does have a shot... can he keep to the task and believe enough vs. Rafa on clay? We will have to wait and see if that match materializes...
 
FUNNY THING IS, they may never play on clay against each other EVER again... that's not out of the realm of possibility either...
 
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Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: May 11 10:45AM -0700

On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 5:15:58 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:
 
> > Yes...that would be funny, even better if Fed won the match...
 
> It really would be something to see Rafa mentally cowered by Fed for a
> change, & at FO of all places.
 
The word is "COWED" -- not "cowered." Time for you to go back and get that high school diploma.
MBDunc <michaelb@dnainternet.net>: May 11 11:59AM -0700

On Monday, May 8, 2017 at 4:39:27 PM UTC+3, StephenJ wrote:
> Noah's performance at the 83 FO left me and many others at the time
> scratching our heads as time went by as to why he could never do it
> again. He exhibited tremendous S/V skills and athleticism at that event.
 
Becker said that Noah had strokes of #50+ ranked player but his (back then - tennis players were soft and easily scared) scary looks intimidated and he really had good physics.
 
I could easily imagine that one Noah grin tames down regular journeymen of 80:ies who had no idea the opponent can be actually be black and feature rasta hair.
 
.mikko
Shakes <kvcshake@gmail.com>: May 11 12:10PM -0700

On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 11:59:36 AM UTC-7, MBDunc wrote:
> > scratching our heads as time went by as to why he could never do it
> > again. He exhibited tremendous S/V skills and athleticism at that event.
 
> Becker said that Noah had strokes of #50+ ranked player
 
That BH was not pretty. He would drop his head while hitting it. I also think Noah was one of the first top players to use an OS frame.
"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.los>: May 11 10:06PM +0300

Yup. 6-3, 1-0 with a break for Rafa. A one-way street.
 
Time to switch to Wheeler Deelers.
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: May 11 07:31PM +0200

> http://www.foxsports.com/tennis/story/maria-sharapova-genie-bouchard-beef-twitter-autobiography-madrid-open-drug-suspension-cheater-ban-051017
 
> Insufferable, my life so far... lol
 
"All those insults, all those digs, all those words. And then
Sharapova got the final one, without saying a thing."
 
Pretty much russian way actually.
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Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: May 11 11:22AM -0700

On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 11:01:03 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:
 
> "All those insults, all those digs, all those words. And then
> Sharapova got the final one, without saying a thing."
 
> Pretty much russian way actually.
 
You mean being a backstabber that hits and runs instead of publicly confronting someone you have a problem with? Yeah, that's something to admire. No wonder you like the Klitchkos.
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: May 11 11:40AM -0700

LOL PWNage! I'd buy this book, both of them! :D
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: May 11 08:34PM +0200

>> Sharapova got the final one, without saying a thing."
 
>> Pretty much russian way actually.
 
> You mean being a backstabber that hits and runs instead of publicly confronting someone you have a problem with? Yeah, that's something to admire. No wonder you like the Klitchkos.
 
 
The pause hasn't served you well. :)
 
I'm not even a huge boxing fan.
Let alone fan of Klitchkos. I'm aware they were considered boring,
and controversial, but so was Schumacher in formula 1. You have
to respect achievements. It's something I think you lack
regarding professionals you dislike. Nadal, perhaps?

 
Anyway, never been a big fan of their sport or them, but if I had
to pick, sure I'd support European and Slavic boxer over some
African. You're right on that, maybe we spoke once about that and
you wrongly understood I'm fan of them.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: May 11 10:30AM -0700

Yes but we all know once she's back, poor Genie will be well and truly whooped, will be a real fun match too!
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: May 11 10:32AM -0700

There are lots of rumours that she's been distracted by other things too!
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: May 11 10:36AM -0700

They're still probably quite backward sort of areas, with lots of Mooses running around and stuff.
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: May 11 07:38PM +0200

> They're still probably quite backward sort of areas, with lots of Mooses running around and stuff.
 
Something like northern exposure show?
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: May 11 07:38PM +0200


> Symbolically it was far from meaningless and both players knew it. That's why they fought like it was a slam.
 
> Anyway, I don't know why Raja feels compelled to play Sharapova's knight on a white steed. She doesn't need the help and doesn't deserve it.
 
> Meanwhile, I'm a big fan of Bouchard now. She showed blatant disrespect for Sharapova and never backed off one inch from it. Beautiful stuff.
 
It's not a part of her intellectual process or high moral ground.
Don't make it more than it is. Just basic instincts in and lack
of class.
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Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: May 11 11:12AM -0700

On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 11:01:05 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:
 
> It's not a part of her intellectual process or high moral ground.
> Don't make it more than it is. Just basic instincts in and lack
> of class.
 
I disagree. She spoke the truth and gave voice to what many other players think but aren't brave enough to say. But even if you were right, I'd still have to like her a lot for giving Sharapova a pie in the face.
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: May 11 08:21PM +0200

>> Don't make it more than it is. Just basic instincts in and lack
>> of class.
 
> I disagree. She spoke the truth and gave voice to what many other players think but aren't brave enough to say. But even if you were right, I'd still have to like her a lot for giving Sharapova a pie in the face.
 
Ok, you don't like Sharapova so you enjoy this. I'm neutral when
it comes to her and don't see anything of importance
here.
 
A failed tennis hope and an unclassy one, pumps herself up for a
match vs fallen great and does trash talking. Predictable. And
immensely boring.
 
But the whole thing about other players wishing her luck is
absurd. Halep said it's nonsense, and that they two don't even
talk.
 
I actually think Sharapova is more liked by other female players.
Not that it matters to anyone or means much, but still.

 
 
If it makes you feel happy, enjoy it, yeah.
 
 
 
 
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Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: May 11 11:47AM -0700

On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 11:30:02 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:
 
> A failed tennis hope and an unclassy one, pumps herself up for a
> match vs fallen great and does trash talking. Predictable. And
> immensely boring.
 
I wouldn't call Sharapova a "great." She's a second-tier champion. Obviously though still a multi-slam winner with achievements far greater than Bouchard's, but so what? Does a touring pro with no slams have less of a "right" to speak out because the player she's criticizing has greater stature? Serena certainly has no class, but I doubt anyone would be bothered if she'd said the same things Bouchard did. Either way, the comments are equally true.
 
I agree though that it's a minor matter that' been pumped up. If you're neutral then I understand your perspective. I just don't relate to Raja's fervent defense of his innocent (*cough*) princess assailed by the villainous upstart.
 
> But the whole thing about other players wishing her luck is
> absurd. Halep said it's nonsense, and that they two don't even
> talk.
 
Can't trust Halep's account. She's an alien.
 
> I actually think Sharapova is more liked by other female players.
> Not that it matters to anyone or means much, but still.
 
Speculation. Wait to see what they say about her after retirement. :)
 
> If it makes you feel happy, enjoy it, yeah.
 
It gives me a chuckle. The bar for happiness is a bit higher.
soccerfan777 <zepfloyes@gmail.com>: May 11 10:56AM -0700

So Federer is thrice better than Nadal, dipshit?
MBDunc <michaelb@dnainternet.net>: May 11 11:03AM -0700

On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 6:49:39 AM UTC+3, Tim wrote:
> http://mcpin.org/
> https://www.mqmentalhealth.org/
> https://join.worldcommunitygrid.org?recruiterId=123388
 
Mac was superb. Priorities back then just were different. You had Davis Cup still important, clearly lesser slam (AO) which was skipped by most, tuneups counted more...financially.
 
3W 4USO, 3YEC, 5WCT and 4 times (in-a-row) #1...+ DC + Doubles. Not tier1 resume by current standards but during 80:ies it was arguably best open era resume just behind Borg.
 
.mikko
joh <joshorst@gmail.com>: May 11 10:32AM -0700

Op donderdag 11 mei 2017 19:20:36 UTC+2 schreef MBDunc:
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> 1st Lucky Loser to beat #1?
 
> .mikko
 
Probably not, Sampras spent quite some time at #1.
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: May 11 07:33PM +0200

>> http://usenet.sinaapp.com/
 
> 1st Lucky Loser to beat #1?
 
> .mikko
 
1st lucky loser ever to reach QF at ATP masters, and even first
one to reach best of 16 I believe.
 
I have a hard time believing it, but I've red it.
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jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com>: May 11 05:15PM

On Thu, 11 May 2017 17:51:47 +0200, *skriptis wrote:
 
> but he seems to be peaking now again.
 
Fake news!
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: May 11 07:35PM +0200

> On Thu, 11 May 2017 17:51:47 +0200, *skriptis wrote:
 
>> but he seems to be peaking now again.
 
> Fake news!
 
Firing Commie, and yelling at madman McMaster are good signs real
Donald Trump is back.
 
 
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Brian W Lawrence <brian_w_lawrence@msn.com>: May 11 06:30PM +0100


> Not to mention Sean Spicer caught hiding in the bushes from reporters too scared to say why Comey
> was fired...lol Totally makes it all look like it's on the up and up.
 
Apparently WH insiders have suggested that Spicer may be replaced soon,
possibly by Sarah Huckabee Sanders. Spicer has been working in the
Pentagon over the last few days, as part of his Naval Reserve duties.
 
 
 
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