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Monday, May 15, 2017

kaennorsing <ljubitsis@hotmail.com>: May 15 11:05AM -0700

Op maandag 15 mei 2017 17:04:48 UTC+2 schreef The Iceberg:
> He's fun to watch cos he puts so much effort into everything.
 
So that's why you despise Federer! He does everything effortlessly.
Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: May 15 11:20AM -0700

On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 11:05:29 AM UTC-7, kaennorsing wrote:
> Op maandag 15 mei 2017 17:04:48 UTC+2 schreef The Iceberg:
> > He's fun to watch cos he puts so much effort into everything.
 
> So that's why you despise Federer! He does everything effortlessly.
 
A mystery finally solved. With Iceberg it had to be something simple.
kaennorsing <ljubitsis@hotmail.com>: May 15 11:22AM -0700

Op maandag 15 mei 2017 13:09:30 UTC+2 schreef TT:
 
> Nadal leads slam h2h 9-3 and Fed couldn't beat him but as a baby and
> oldtimer. And the times apart from 2006 Wimbledon were because Rafa
> choked. And they call it a rivalry.
 
So Rafa (effectively) made 5 consecutive Wimbledon finals, before losing early from 2012 to present... Lost the first 2 to Federer, because he was a baby, but then stopped being a baby because he won the 3rd final (in total darkness)... When exactly did Rafa become an oldtimer? In 2011?
 
Amazing that he went from being a baby to an oldtimer in a span of 4 years!
Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: May 15 11:27AM -0700

On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 11:22:26 AM UTC-7, kaennorsing wrote:
> > choked. And they call it a rivalry.
 
> So Rafa (effectively) made 5 consecutive Wimbledon finals, before losing early from 2012 to present... Lost the first 2 to Federer, because he was a baby, but then stopped being a baby because he won the 3rd final (in total darkness)... When exactly did Rafa become an oldtimer? In 2011?
 
> Amazing that he went from being a baby to an oldtimer in a span of 4 years!
 
And how he managed to somehow win his first 3 FOs while still in diapers. I guess that's further proof of how meaningless clay wins are in the slam tally.
Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: May 15 09:38AM -0700

On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 2:52:51 AM UTC-7, soccerfan777 wrote:
> My wife and I had a baby boy yesterday. Both mom and son are doing well.
 
Great news! Health to you all!
 
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Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: May 15 09:44AM -0700

Raja, congratulations to you and your wife!
 
 
-Carey
stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: May 15 12:11PM -0500

>On 5/15/2017 4:52 AM, soccerfan777 wrote:
> My wife and I had a baby boy yesterday. Both mom and son are doing well.
 
Are you sure you're the father?
 
Just kidding, congratulations! :)
 
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calimero377@gmx.de: May 15 10:22AM -0700

On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 11:52:51 AM UTC+2, soccerfan777 wrote:
> My wife and I had a baby boy yesterday. Both mom and son are doing well.
 
Oh, I thought Trump had stepped down ...
 
Max
Shakes <kvcshake@gmail.com>: May 15 11:22AM -0700

On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 2:52:51 AM UTC-7, soccerfan777 wrote:
> My wife and I had a baby boy yesterday. Both mom and son are doing well.
 
Hearty congratulations, Raja !!
Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: May 15 09:53AM -0700

On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 8:30:03 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:
> >> professionalism would be to complain to the umpire.
 
> > Even more classy is to tell them enough is enough and that is what Federer did.
 
> That's bottom.
 
A couple of years later, Federer's mother invited Nole, and his parents (their family) over to the elder Federer's home along with Fed, Mirka etc. for a lunch during the Indoor Swiss fall tournament to quell the lingering issues that had grown up between them over the years... And from what I have been told by an old friend who used to work at Reuters, who knows a lot of tennis insiders in Europe, it went well... so... both sides have moved on from that... you don't hear anything much the last few years...
 
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Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: May 15 10:49AM -0700

On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 9:53:28 AM UTC-7, Patrick Kehoe wrote:
 
> A couple of years later, Federer's mother invited Nole, and his parents (their family) over to the elder Federer's home along with Fed, Mirka etc. for a lunch during the Indoor Swiss fall tournament to quell the lingering issues that had grown up between them over the years... And from what I have been told by an old friend who used to work at Reuters, who knows a lot of tennis insiders in Europe, it went well... so... both sides have moved on from that... you don't hear anything much the last few years...
 
What did they have for lunch?
Shakes <kvcshake@gmail.com>: May 15 11:13AM -0700

On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 8:30:03 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:
 
 
> He's very arrogant and mean when things don't go his way (Rafa-one
> dimensional, delpo-put him out of his misery, djoko-he's a joke
> etc )
 
To an extent I agree with you on this regarding Fed. I wouldn't call him arrogant (from what I've seen, nearly all great champions are arrogant to some degree), but Fed tends to get a little "cranky" when things are not going his way. His normally cool demeanour does wear thin then.
 
> It's a distraction far greater and bigger than any bathroom break,
> or such nonsense. You're directly tampering with your opponent's
> composure.
 
Is there a youtube link to this episode ? I think I might have missed it when it actually happened.
kaennorsing <ljubitsis@hotmail.com>: May 15 10:53AM -0700

Op maandag 15 mei 2017 13:21:29 UTC+2 schreef TT:
 
> >> Don't kid yourself, 2008 Wimbledon final is the only match of relevance.
 
> > And why is that? Why not, for instance, 2007 Wimbledon final?
 
> Nobody wrote a book on 2007 Wimbledon final.
 
Maybe because it didn't end in total darkness, no?
kaennorsing <ljubitsis@hotmail.com>: May 15 10:57AM -0700

Op maandag 15 mei 2017 15:35:10 UTC+2 schreef Pelle Svanslös:
 
> The match that was recently up in RST. The 2003 WTF RR match against
> Agassi. That's what really opened up the floodgates.
 
That's a strong candidate as well, agreed. That week was just a revelation for the tennis world as Federer butchered his demons one by one, totally annihilating them.
 
Still, his GOAT run started at Wimbledon 2003.
kaennorsing <ljubitsis@hotmail.com>: May 15 10:50AM -0700

Op maandag 15 mei 2017 14:45:30 UTC+2 schreef RaspingDrive:
> > Djokovic 16th
 
> > Are Djokovic and Murray done?
 
> Murray and Djok are out of sorts.
 
sort of
 
But... I thought it was Rafa who was out of sort? I'm confused now.
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: May 15 06:43PM +0200

Big 4 have won 100 of these titles.
 
30 Djokovic and Nadal
26 Federer
14 Murray
 
Total 100
 
Add Wawrinka to get big5 and we jump to 101.
 
 
 
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kaennorsing <ljubitsis@hotmail.com>: May 15 10:47AM -0700

Op maandag 15 mei 2017 19:01:03 UTC+2 schreef *skriptis:
> 26 Federer
> 14 Murray
 
> Total 100
 
That's worth how many consecutive years? 11?
 
> Add Wawrinka to get big5 and we jump to 101.
 
Scary! :-)
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: May 15 07:58PM +0300

15.5.2017, 19:30, Patrick Kehoe kirjoitti:
 
> Goffin is a clay courter+... he's not gifted with any MASSIVE component like the other guys, who can generate various elements of power tennis... Goffin has to be super fit, consistent, focus and play tactically water-tight tennis to get past the guys with complete games and have power facets within their tennis... so, he's going to have the more difficult and exacting time of it to make his game and what he does well solve the issues the other guys will be offering at the Masters level and the Majors...
 
> P
 
Nice post. Looking up these stats I was a bit surprised to learn that
Goffin has same win% on clay and hard - as he has so far impressed me
more on clay.
 
Also rather surprising that Zverev has better win% on clay than on hard.
Although I've seen him play on clay and he's good, clearly feels at home
on it. His best surface could be grass though.
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: May 15 06:37PM +0200


> Kyrgios will have an all around game, for the most part... he's a shot maker behind that big serving game... clay will be a challenge because he's not looking like a guy who will be too interested in mega-physical matches during the bulk of his career... and fair enough... his game has other virtues (which are obvious)... but, here and there he'll make some noise on the clay, when the spirit moves him :))
 
> Zverev will be thee all court player of this young generation... he's got the complete game... Thiem will have to use his physicality against him to gain small margins as they battle over the coming decade... and will his lean frame become injury prone? Clay tennis doesn't help with longevity, for the most part... so, Zverev will have his share of clay titles, over the next 7 or 8 seasons... contesting some FO Finals one would think... and certainly will be a key guy at the other majors...
 
> Goffin is a clay courter+... he's not gifted with any MASSIVE component like the other guys, who can generate various elements of power tennis... Goffin has to be super fit, consistent, focus and play tactically water-tight tennis to get past the guys with complete games and have power facets within their tennis... so, he's going to have the more difficult and exacting time of it to make his game and what he does well solve the issues the other guys will be offering at the Masters level and the Majors...
 
 
You both guys do realize Goffin was born in 1990? It's 2017 now.
 
He doesn't belong into these conversations, or if he does, fine,
but Raonic and Nishikori deserve a mention, Cilic and del Potro
too, Dimitrov etc.
 
 
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kaennorsing <ljubitsis@hotmail.com>: May 15 10:44AM -0700

Op maandag 15 mei 2017 18:30:23 UTC+2 schreef Patrick Kehoe:
 
> Zverev will be thee all court player of this young generation... he's got the complete game... Thiem will have to use his physicality against him to gain small margins as they battle over the coming decade... and will his lean frame become injury prone? Clay tennis doesn't help with longevity, for the most part... so, Zverev will have his share of clay titles, over the next 7 or 8 seasons... contesting some FO Finals one would think... and certainly will be a key guy at the other majors...
 
> Goffin is a clay courter+... he's not gifted with any MASSIVE component like the other guys, who can generate various elements of power tennis... Goffin has to be super fit, consistent, focus and play tactically water-tight tennis to get past the guys with complete games and have power facets within their tennis... so, he's going to have the more difficult and exacting time of it to make his game and what he does well solve the issues the other guys will be offering at the Masters level and the Majors...
 
> P
 
If Thiem is going to win multiple FO's he'll have to start soon... He'll be 24 in a few months and clay is a young man's game, traditionally.
 
Overall I think the current crop of 'young guns' will be overshadowed by a younger crop of great players, some yet unknown 16-18 year olds... Or at least I hope that's the case, for tennis' sake.
Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: May 15 09:45AM -0700

On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 8:35:37 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:
> You Fedfans find English difficult don't you.
 
:))))))))))))
 
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stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: May 15 12:07PM -0500

On 5/15/2017 10:18 AM, Gracchus wrote:
>> is needed. When wisp said 'cowered' everyone knew what he meant so no
>> point mentioning it other than waste RST time/space.
 
> If he uses it here, then he uses it in his "real life" too. If you were making habitual errors that scream ignorance, wouldn't you rather someone gently correct you than let you go around making a fool of yourself in public for years on end? He should have just thanked me, made a mental note of it, and moved on to his next insubstantial post.
 
No, it was trolling by you to mention it to begin with, and trolling to
keep after it once he responded. Just talk about tennis, eh?
 
 
 
 
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Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: May 15 10:43AM -0700

On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 10:07:44 AM UTC-7, StephenJ wrote:
 
> > If he uses it here, then he uses it in his "real life" too. If you were making habitual errors that scream ignorance, wouldn't you rather someone gently correct you than let you go around making a fool of yourself in public for years on end? He should have just thanked me, made a mental note of it, and moved on to his next insubstantial post.
 
> No, it was trolling by you to mention it to begin with, and trolling to
> keep after it once he responded. Just talk about tennis, eh?
 
With your history of sock puppets, "the reverse jinx" crap, etc., you don't have any room to accuse others of trolling. And "just talk about tennis" from someone spamming the group with flame-baiting political posts every week and not even labeling them as off-topic? To object to my little grammatical correction, you must be trolling right now. Give it up, Stevie.
calimero377@gmx.de: May 15 10:26AM -0700

On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 8:59:13 AM UTC+2, The Iceberg wrote:
 
> > Those guys who fought like hell to preserve slavery?
 
> > Wow, in Germany we don't have monuments of Wehrmacht generals ...
 
> you would do if you were allowed.
 
Lol, who would forbid that?
 
Max
Shakes <kvcshake@gmail.com>: May 15 09:37AM -0700

On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 6:04:01 AM UTC-7, StephenJ wrote:
 
> You can't lump Agassi in with F/N/D ... that's "stretching" things way
> past the breaking point. Andre stands alone, he's on island by himself.
 
I agree. Just the fact that the surfaces and the playing styles that Agassi had to overcome to win his CGS makes it unique.
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