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Saturday, May 6, 2017

*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: May 05 09:23PM +0200

> | Must be the Trump effect. Clearing the swamp?
> |
 
> Draining the swamp...
 
 
Maybe they say that way in Australia?
 
 
We say drying out the swamp. It makes most sense imo. Swamp is not
a pool that there is drain somewhere bellow. Drying out is what
happens physically, no?
 
 
 
 
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Federer Fanatic <TheRelentlessTide@nospam.invalid>: May 05 03:15PM -0500

On Fri, 5 May 2017 21:23:14 +0200 (CEST), *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
| Federer Fanatic <TheRelentlessTide@nospam.invalid> Wrote in message:
|> On Sat, 6 May 2017 00:25:38 +1000, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com> wrote:
|> | On 5/05/2017 9:22 PM, *skriptis wrote:
|> |> Fires his entire camp, Vajda, fitness coaches, everyone.
|> |>
|> |> Says he still enjoys tennis and is eternally grateful to these men
|> |> for their dedication and success they've helped him to hsve, but
|> |> wants "new challenges".
|> |>
|> |>
|> |
|> |
|> |
|> | Must be the Trump effect. Clearing the swamp?
|> |
|>
|> Draining the swamp...
|
|
| Maybe they say that way in Australia?
|
|
| We say drying out the swamp. It makes most sense imo. Swamp is not
| a pool that there is drain somewhere bellow. Drying out is what
| happens physically, no?
|
 
Yup. Drain then dry ;-)
 
FF
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: May 05 02:52PM -0700

On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 12:30:36 PM UTC-4, Patrick Kehoe wrote:
 
 
> That's the hope... but, the firing of Vajda one might identify as "concerning"... cleaning house just to clean house has an air of desperation about it... when Nole 'partnered' with his 'life coach' and personal guru, the signal was sent far and wide... he was changing, with a family and other obligations outside of a playing career, he's had to make adjustments to his entire lifestyle/way of being... that and just maturing and becoming more interested in life beyond just tennis results/championships... so the tectonic ripples are still radiating outward from these developments... that certainly put strain on his marriage, as has been alluded to over the past 5+ months... At least there hasn't been (as far as I am aware) any talk of another woman in his life or matters of that kind... in fact he and his wife are expecting their second child... how tennis fits EXACTLY into his life/goals now will be fascinating to see...
 
> MAKE NO MISTAKE... these are at once critical and massive changes to his tennis career... how will he respond/adapt? The entire Nole situation has been keenly interested... such a great champion, at 29, how will he move forward? Can he reassemble a winning formula? What a gamble...
 
> P
 
Don't be so melodramatic! *rolls eyes*
 
There's nothing desperate or concerning about cleaning house for a professional tennis player and ATG who has a short shelf life and who has been losing to scrubs for a year. He should have done it a while ago. Players do this all the time. If he has the motivation to keep playing and winning titles, it's a positive change. He's the CEO of his tennis career and life.
 
I'm not a Djokovic fan but there's nothing wrong with him cleaning house at this point in his career IMO.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: May 06 08:08PM +1000

On 6/05/2017 7:52 AM, Court_1 wrote:
 
> There's nothing desperate or concerning about cleaning house for a professional tennis player and ATG who has a short shelf life and who has been losing to scrubs for a year. He should have done it a while ago. Players do this all the time. If he has the motivation to keep playing and winning titles, it's a positive change. He's the CEO of his tennis career and life.
 
> I'm not a Djokovic fan but there's nothing wrong with him cleaning house at this point in his career IMO.
 
Correct. His team may have become lazy/complacent & Djoker can see they
are not offering any solutions, rather the same old.
 
Well, there comes a time when the same old no longer works like it used
to because conditions have changed. If his team can't keep adapting to
changing conditions & no longer inspire him, then it's time to say
thanks for your help but I need to take a different approach.
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: May 06 03:32AM -0700

On Saturday, May 6, 2017 at 6:08:17 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
> to because conditions have changed. If his team can't keep adapting to
> changing conditions & no longer inspire him, then it's time to say
> thanks for your help but I need to take a different approach.
 
Even if his team members haven't become lazy and complacent, for whatever reasons Djokovic feels that it's time to pull the plug as he isn't achieving the results he wants. Yes, it seems that they no longer inspire him. But according to PWL, Djokovic(a tennis player who has a very short shelf life to make a difference) has to be beholden to these individuals for life! *rolls eyes* The dumb things you read on this ng!
 
I'm surprised that Djokovic took so long to unload this team given that he hasn't won a big title in almost a year.
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: May 06 03:23AM -0700

On Thursday, 4 May 2017 18:07:31 UTC+1, Whisper wrote:
 
> Every tennis analyst I've read has McEnroe well above Lendl. Even Lendl
> himself admitted he was way behind Mac, Borg & Connors.
 
> Rst is a sheltered workshop.
 
it's cos anybody who watched Mac play can see the talent, there's been no one like him since.
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: May 05 02:42PM -0700

On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 12:47:24 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> He is an AH, firing people that dedicated their lives for his career just because he felt like it.
 
> I don't care if he is burnt out or not but it just shows his class.
 
What are you talking about? Djokovic isn't allowed to fire his coaching staff now because they've been with him a very long time? Players get rid of members of their coaching team all the time and are entitled to do so if they feel the relationships are stagnant. Djokovic doesn't owe anybody a lifetime employment commitment.
 
In pro tennis you have a very short shelf life and if you feel you aren't getting the results you want, you have to act fast. How many coaches has Federer had throughout his career? Didn't Nadal make a big change to his team by displacing Uncle Toni as his head coach? Didn't Murray get rid of his whole team a couple of years ago and start fresh?
 
I'm with Djokovic on this one. He needs to find the right team and formula if he wants to try and win titles again before it's too late.
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: May 05 06:16PM -0400


> What are you talking about? Djokovic isn't allowed to fire his coaching staff now because they've been with him a very long time? Players get rid of members of their coaching team all the time and are entitled to do so if they feel the relationships are stagnant. Djokovic doesn't owe anybody a lifetime employment commitment.
 
> In pro tennis you have a very short shelf life and if you feel you aren't getting the results you want, you have to act fast. How many coaches has Federer had throughout his career? Didn't Nadal make a big change to his team by displacing Uncle Toni as his head coach? Didn't Murray get rid of his whole team a couple of years ago and start fresh?
 
> I'm with Djokovic on this one. He needs to find the right team and formula if he wants to try and win titles again before it's too late.
 
As I said it's all about class.
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Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: May 05 04:19PM -0700

On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 6:16:03 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:
 
> > In pro tennis you have a very short shelf life and if you feel you aren't getting the results you want, you have to act fast. How many coaches has Federer had throughout his career? Didn't Nadal make a big change to his team by displacing Uncle Toni as his head coach? Didn't Murray get rid of his whole team a couple of years ago and start fresh?
 
> > I'm with Djokovic on this one. He needs to find the right team and formula if he wants to try and win titles again before it's too late.
 
> As I said it's all about class.
 
Class has nothing to do with this discussion. He's an ATG who has a very short time as a professional tennis player to make an impact. I'm sure he gave his coaching team members who have been like a family to him a great severance package and who knows if he goes over and above that and supports them completely financially? We don't know what he does behind the scenes. But he does not owe them a lifetime deal to be on his coaching team if he isn't achieving the results he desires. Only a loser thinks that way, not a person who has achieved greatness or aspires to greatness in any area of life.
 
I think it sounds like a positive change for his career. As I said earlier, players change teams all the time in search of the right team at the right time. Federer has done it his entire career and rightly so!
Shakes <kvcshake@gmail.com>: May 05 05:15PM -0700

On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 3:16:03 PM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:
 
> > I'm with Djokovic on this one. He needs to find the right team and formula if he wants to try and win titles again before it's too late.
 
> As I said it's all about class.
> --
 
 
Did you say the same thing when Fed split with Peter Lundgren, Tony Roche, Stefan Edberg, Paul Annacone ? Fed even said after his split with Roche that "they didn't speak to each other for a long time". It's perfectly fine to criticize Djok but when you criticize every other player bar Fed, it's a clear cut definition of bias.
John Liang <jliang70@gmail.com>: May 05 06:22PM -0700

On Saturday, May 6, 2017 at 10:15:22 AM UTC+10, Shakes wrote:
 
> > As I said it's all about class.
> > --
 
> Did you say the same thing when Fed split with Peter Lundgren, Tony Roche, Stefan Edberg, Paul Annacone ? Fed even said after his split with Roche that "they didn't speak to each other for a long time". It's perfectly fine to criticize Djok but when you criticize every other player bar Fed, it's a clear cut definition of bias.
 
Fed split with Lundgren, Roche, Annacone and Edberg were different, Fed did not disband his whole coaching team, it is unusual to see a whole team of coaching staff been fired this way. But it has nothing to do with Djoker been less classy, we don't know the inner detail and term they reached in dismissing the whole team. Djoker probably thinks with his experience on tour he can figured out a solution himself.
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: May 06 03:24AM +0200


>> As I said it's all about class.
>> --
 
> Did you say the same thing when Fed split with Peter Lundgren, Tony Roche, Stefan Edberg, Paul Annacone ? Fed even said after his split with Roche that "they didn't speak to each other for a long time". It's perfectly fine to criticize Djok but when you criticize every other player bar Fed, it's a clear cut definition of bias.
 
Guy is most likely trolling, baiting. I'm sure there's somewhat
fear too, he's scared now that Djokovic has finally tackled the
problems so in a way, it could mean his return is something that
might happen rather sooner than later.
 
Really, what's to criticize Djokovic here for?
 
Can he change his team? They work for him, not the other way
around. In fact making changes to improve unsatisfactory
situation is exactly what champion needs to do in a situation
he's in. This is not Wimbledon 16, that you could say it's too
early or sudden.
 
 
And specifically class is something Djokovic has showed in this
case, with strong praise and thanking to his associates,
trainers, stuff etc.
 
Clasless would be saying they're guilty for his bad form or
something like that.
 
 
So, either a troll post, or a nutcase.
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Guypers <gapp111@gmail.com>: May 05 06:49PM -0700

On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 9:30:02 PM UTC-4, *skriptis wrote:
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Nothing wrong with what Novak did, can hire whoever he wants, pays good money too!!
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: May 05 11:17PM -0400


>> As I said it's all about class.
>> --
 
> Did you say the same thing when Fed split with Peter Lundgren, Tony Roche, Stefan Edberg, Paul Annacone ? Fed even said after his split with Roche that "they didn't speak to each other for a long time". It's perfectly fine to criticize Djok but when you criticize every other player bar Fed, it's a clear cut definition of bias.
 
Federer changed coaches but didn't fire people served him his
entire career.
Please shake put some effort understanding the differences and
understanding the individuals that Djokovic fired.
I have no problem if he fired Boris, or any other coach but not
the individuals that served him his entire career.
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Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: May 06 08:13PM +1000

On 6/05/2017 11:24 AM, *skriptis wrote:
 
> So, either a troll post, or a nutcase.
 
A Fedfucker post - so both.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: May 06 08:15PM +1000

On 6/05/2017 1:17 PM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> understanding the individuals that Djokovic fired.
> I have no problem if he fired Boris, or any other coach but not
> the individuals that served him his entire career.
 
Even if they have become a negative?
Bharath Purohit <acebharath@gmail.com>: May 05 08:56PM -0700

Rafa's path at Madrid looks brutal:
1R Bye
2R Sousa/Fognini
3R Kyrgios
QF Raonic/Goffin
SF Djokovic
F Murray/Wawrinka
 
Toughest draw possible.
Tim <firemonkey@gatty.co.uk>: May 06 05:36AM +0100

On 06/05/2017 04:56, Bharath Purohit wrote:
> SF Djokovic
> F Murray/Wawrinka
 
> Toughest draw possible.
 
It'll be a walk in the park for him.
 
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arahim <arahim_arahim@hotmail.com>: May 05 01:59PM -0700

If Federer continues to skip the clay season prior to the French he will be in the 5-8 seeding range.
 
Murray will still be number one and Djokovic two with Nadal likely to be in third and Wawrinka in the fourth place. That's a tough quarter final on clay any which way, if every one plays to their seedings, for Federer. Of course if Murray and Djokovic are still in uncertain form it may not be all that bad to be in their quarter. They may not even make it to the quarters or could lose there.
 
Federer came into the AO without any tuneups and had something up his sleeve. It would be interesting to see if he can pull anything further new out for the FO.
Bharath Purohit <acebharath@gmail.com>: May 05 08:55PM -0700

Federer ass licking at its worst. Lol
arahim <arahim_arahim@hotmail.com>: May 05 02:21PM -0700

Ferrer has been in steady decline for some time now ranked at 31. His three wins this year came against a player ranked 290, another ranked 130 and Bernard Tomic. Of his 7 defeats 5 were against players ranked at 50 or below and one ranked just above that. Last 4 tournaments going out in the first round with three of them on clay. He is at 168 with the clay season in full swing. He is in the middle of a minor resurgence at Estoril but if he starts to fall out of automatic qualification for the tournaments somewhere in the year is it the end?
John Liang <jliang70@gmail.com>: May 05 04:53PM -0700

On Saturday, May 6, 2017 at 7:21:25 AM UTC+10, arahim wrote:
> Ferrer has been in steady decline for some time now ranked at 31. His three wins this year came against a player ranked 290, another ranked 130 and Bernard Tomic. Of his 7 defeats 5 were against players ranked at 50 or below and one ranked just above that. Last 4 tournaments going out in the first round with three of them on clay. He is at 168 with the clay season in full swing. He is in the middle of a minor resurgence at Estoril but if he starts to fall out of automatic qualification for the tournaments somewhere in the year is it the end?
 
At 38 Karlovic is still ranked in top 30 when I last checked one or two weeks ago.
arahim <arahim_arahim@hotmail.com>: May 05 06:16PM -0700

Yes but he relies heavily on serve. Ferret has to run around.
Scott <scottl44@yahoo.com>: May 05 03:40PM -0700

On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 1:05:15 PM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
 
> Laver, McEnroe & Sampras.
 
> The 3 players in open era who qualify as 'best at best'.
 
> Just about every serious tennis analyst agrees with this.
 
So, unnamed experts citing unspecified criteria is what you now endorse. 7-5-4-3 is dead and buried--by the proponent.
bmoore@nyx.net: May 05 01:39PM -0700

On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 12:34:55 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:
> You only can't find something positive to say cos your parents have always voted Democrat and you've been fooled by the media for so long, perhaps look at some other news sources?
 
Wow, you are like a caricature of yourself! I know you don't understand what that means, but fortunately, this little detail has never prevented you from responding.
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