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Wednesday, May 31, 2017

Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: May 31 08:31PM +1000

On 31/05/2017 12:34 AM, soccerfan777 wrote:
>>> you haven't seen, or if you do it's meaningless.
 
>> Whisp, go back and get that high school diploma before trying to make "rules" for anyone else here. Seriously, this is your attempt at logic...? (1)the larger the number of movies one sees each year, the more they must know about movies (2) one can't make any judgement about a movie's quality without sitting through the whole thing. Sorry, but to use one of your favorite descriptors, this is "retarded." In fact, it's doubly-retarded.
 
> Whisper clearly prefers quantity over quality. No wonder he is a big Sampras fan ;-)
 
I appreciate the views of connoisseurs. Obviously anyone who watches a
lot of movies, tennis, music etc must have a keen interest & some
valuable insight no?
 
I'd love it if all you guys saw 130 movies a yr & posted a quick
synopsis when you saw something good. Saves me having to wade through a
lot of muck.
 
: )
 
 
 
 
 
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Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: May 31 08:40PM +1000

On 31/05/2017 2:16 AM, Gracchus wrote:
 
>> I am not sure how he can be better qualified if he has no quality or taste filter that help him to avoid watching the majority of the 130 movies a year that fall under junk or bad category.
 
> Whisper and Jaros apparently have a mutual support pact wherein each is obligated to jump in whenever the other finds himself in an indefensible position. The strategy is very transparent, very stupid, and very ineffective.
 
Jaros & I tend to play the ball & not the man. Playing the man is no
different to being a racist, homophobic or a democrat.
 
You have to play the ball, judge the work - not the players/actors.
It's the work that's important, not the color of the skin.
 
 
 
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Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: May 31 08:42PM +1000

On 31/05/2017 2:46 AM, Gracchus wrote:
>> having seen a movie, a prereq for having a useful opinion about it. So
>> whisper's point
 
> He has no point about anything ever. He's a babbling Croat.
 
It's not possible to 'never' have a point. You're playing the man/being
racist.
 
 
 
 
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Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: May 31 08:44PM +1000

On 31/05/2017 2:49 AM, Guypers wrote:
 
> no, you dont have to eat the whole apple to find it is rotten, one bite should tell you that! read any books?
 
Not true in every case. I though LaLa Land was bad in the beginning &
almost switched off, but it got pretty enjoyable the 2nd half.
 
You can't win this argument. If Jaros watches 130 movies to the end his
opinion is extremely valuable imo.
 
 
 
 
 
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: May 31 01:42PM +0200


>> He has no point about anything ever. He's a babbling Croat.
 
> It's not possible to 'never' have a point. You're playing the man/being
> racist.
 
 
So you think Gracchus is a "man of colour" who hates white people?
 
 
 
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stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: May 31 07:28AM -0500


> Don't waste all this knowledge. Any time you see a flick worth watching
> post a quick review. I appreciate others trudging through the muck to
> find a good one.
 
 
Thanks! :)
 
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stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: May 31 07:29AM -0500

On 5/30/2017 11:24 AM, soccerfan777 wrote:
>> equal, carry more weight (I know that's a terrible example because one
>> shouldn't trust raja's judgment on anything, but the general point stands).
 
> Though you made some effort this time to make some points,
 
You're really stupid. Just leave this discussion to adults with brains.
 
 
 
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"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.los>: May 31 03:35PM +0300

On 31.5.2017 15:28, stephenJ wrote:
>> watching post a quick review. I appreciate others trudging through the
>> muck to find a good one.
 
> Thanks! :)
 
The sweet scent of ball-sweat and male bonding! Spring!
stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: May 31 07:38AM -0500

On 5/30/2017 11:46 AM, Gracchus wrote:
>> film anyway. He'd be taking a very narrow, heck, fundamentally
>> unartistic/uncritical stance. Shameful, really.
 
> Your Ebert example just isn't applicable. I never liked his reviews, but that's neither here nor there. Since he was writing reviews professionally and influenced millions of movie viewers, I agree that it would be unethical to write a review of a movie he hadn't seen or had only seen part of. But here we're casually discussing films in a tennis newsgroup, so there aren't the same obligations. I don't think I or anyone else is claiming that we know beyond a shadow of a doubt that a film we haven't seen is necessarily junk. However, >I've lived more than long enough and have seen more than enough films in my life to be able to make >confident >guesses based on what I've seen thousands of times.
 
A lot of verbiage spilled to only reveal that you miss the point. The
reason Ebert had a professional obligation to view a movie he reviewed
was because it was obvious that his opinion of a film would rightly be
meaningless if he didn't access the data needed to make a useful
evaluation of it, namely having seen the movie.
 
You can have the opinion that you've seen more than enough films to make
"confident guesses", but any reader with a brain will judge that to be
useless to them. If you haven't seen the movie, nobody has any good
reason to pay attention to your opinion of it.
 
So I'm curious: what films have you seen in the theater this past year?
You can list them here:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: May 31 05:39AM -0700

On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 3:26:27 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:
 
> The point is you have to actually watch something to comment on it.
> Failing to do so makes you like a racist - judging qualities on image &
> not the actual product.
 
First of all, your dictate on what everyone "has to do" to meet some arbitrary criterion is nothing more than another typical Rule of Whisper. That is to say, bullshit. Second, the racist analogy is yet again a "retarded" notion because a movie isn't a living being, nor does it belong to a class of people. And last, one absolutely can make accurate inferences about a movie without seeing it, as I've already explained. The judgement may not be definitive without seeing the movie, but then again, it doesn't need to be because we're not posting film reviews here for publication. We're discussing them informally in an online forum.
 
I admit, it's theoretically possible that a movie with Jack Black, Adam Sandler, Seth Rogen, etc. may be art, though I've yet to see a precedent. Or for that matter, "American Pie 2" may be better than "Casablanca." I'll assume otherwise and invest my life hours in better ways. By all means, do watch and post your own reviews though. Often they're more entertaining than the movies themselves.
stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: May 31 07:41AM -0500

> On 5/30/2017 11:49 AM, Guypers wrote:
 
> no, you dont have to eat the whole apple to find it is rotten, one bite should tell you that! read any >books?
 
If someone sees a substantial part of a movie - not the first 10
minutes, equal to your single bite - but say a significant portion, and
walks out, I'd find their review useful and want to know why they walked
out. It wouldn't be as useful as a review from someone who sits through
the whole thing, because I'd want to know about the part the walker
missed. But it would have some value.
 
But never having seen it at all? Utterly useless.
 
 
 
 
 
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stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: May 31 07:42AM -0500

On 5/31/2017 5:28 AM, Whisper wrote:
> discuss 'that film'?
 
> My logic is you shouldn't assess work you haven't seen. Where's the
> logic fail?
 
There is none, there is just "gracchus fail". Somehow, his feelings got
hurt here, LOL.
 
 
 
 
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soccerfan777 <zepfloyes@gmail.com>: May 31 05:24AM -0700

Give the title to Venus already!
Manuel aka Xax <xamigax@gmail.com>: May 31 04:13AM -0700

Le mardi 30 mai 2017 16:01:03 UTC+2, *skriptis a écrit :
> pressure, he performers even better, and since it was first round
> he's more dangerous at that stage than in SF.
> Zverev would have a better chance if it had been a later round.
 
+1
 
> experienced player, why do you expected him to know how to play
> consistently at this stage? Especially since he's not a
> "claycourter".
 
+1

> No surprise. It was a 50-50 match and stupid bookies had Zverev as
> the heavy favorite. It's their fault.
 
+1 up to "heavy fav"
-1 for "it's their fault"
 
Zverev didn't lose because of bookies.
I doubt he gave them serious credits about that heavy fav status.
He lost because he was not able to adapt his game / gameplan to Verdasco, who can be, from time to time, a really dangerous player, not matter who's on the other side of the net.
 
Zverev lacked experience, that's for sure, especially when facing such unpredictable (level wise, at least) player
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: May 31 01:39PM +0200

> I doubt he gave them serious credits about that heavy fav status.
> He lost because he was not able to adapt his game / gameplan to Verdasco, who can be, from time to time, a really dangerous player, not matter who's on the other side of the net.
 
> Zverev lacked experience, that's for sure, especially when facing such unpredictable (level wise, at least) player.
 
When you have unreal odds (like in Zverev Verdasco case) even most
scientific approach to betting, eg Kelley criteria says you
should bet on Verdasco.
 
And people who bet are often superstitious. Having Zverev as the
(undeserved) favourite signaled upset for them. In that sense I'm
joking about the bookies' fault.
 
Similarily to Tsonga being an enormous favorite vs Olivo. Like 95%
or such?
 
It's ridiculous. Nadal vs Haase today is 95%, not even Djokovic vs
Sousa is 95% imo, let alone Tsonga vs Olivo. That's why he lost.
Kelley wins. :)
 
If Nadal vs Haase is cca 95%
Djokovic vs Sousa is cca 90%
And Tsonga vs Olivo was at most 80%.
 
Tsonga playing in Lyon, winning there in Saturday, drained him,for
sure. Olivo is younger too. Why would a moderately successful
32-year old non-claycourter be an enormous (95%) favorite against
a more rested and younger guy who's more natural on the surface?

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Brian W Lawrence <brian_w_lawrence@msn.com>: May 31 11:30AM +0100

On 30/05/2017 13:21, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
 
 
> http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/30/trump-germany-relationship-tweet-238930
 
> Looks like The Tourist had a bad holiday in Europe. He did seem kind of
> grumpy.
 
I read somewhere, probably from a WH leak, that when Angela Merkel
visited the WH, the President asked her 10 times about the trade
deficit, and each time she replied that Germany doesn't negotiate trade
deals with anyone, you have to deal with the EU instead. It was claimed
that after 10 times getting the same answer he finally understood! Now
he seems to have forgotten again.
 
 
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: May 31 01:09PM +0200

> deals with anyone, you have to deal with the EU instead. It was claimed
> that after 10 times getting the same answer he finally understood! Now
> he seems to have forgotten again.
 
 
Do you think billionaire Trump is dumb, that he doesn't recognize
what's going on?
EU negotiates trade deals, with EU as a whole having e.g. balanced
exchange, but with Germany having huge surplus and other EU
countries getting big dick?
Otoh on other occasions, when they find it convenient, they'll act
as Germany, not EU.
 
Trump sees through that bullshit.
 
I don't blame the Germans, they want to dominate and rip everyone
off. That's what you do in economy, sports etc. Federer wants to
win 19th slam even though he has won lot of those already. That's
ok.
 
However, it's kinda annoying when they start saying how e.g. Nadal
or Djokovic or any other player is a bad person because he wants
to win it too, or like those situation where fedfans feel
offended with the other guy putting up a resistance.
 
That's freakish.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.los>: May 31 02:41PM +0300

On 31.5.2017 13:30, Brian W Lawrence wrote:
 
>> Looks like The Tourist had a bad holiday in Europe. He did seem kind
>> of grumpy.
 
> I read somewhere, probably from a WH leak,
 
Or maybe RST? :)
 
> deals with anyone, you have to deal with the EU instead. It was claimed
> that after 10 times getting the same answer he finally understood! Now
> he seems to have forgotten again.
 
Trump seems not to be the only one:
 
"The EU leaders were also appalled at the Americans' poor knowledge of
EU-US trade policy, both papers say. Chief economic adviser Gary Cohn,
the former president of Goldman Sachs, seemed to think that there were
different customs tariffs between the US and Germany than between the US
and Belgium, according to Der Spiegel".
 
https://qz.com/992271/trump-reportedly-called-germany-bad-very-bad-and-threatened-to-stop-americans-from-buying-bmws/
Brian W Lawrence <brian_w_lawrence@msn.com>: May 31 12:48PM +0100

On 31/05/2017 12:09, *skriptis wrote:
>> he seems to have forgotten again.
 
> Do you think billionaire Trump is dumb, that he doesn't recognize
> what's going on?
 
Well all the evidence points to that.
 
> EU negotiates trade deals, with EU as a whole having e.g. balanced
> exchange, but with Germany having huge surplus and other EU
> countries getting big dick?
 
Yes, but there is no US-EU trade deal, neither is there a US-Germany
deal. German companies can export goods & services to the US and vice
versa - the only deals are inter-company deals, without controls
imposed by the US, the EU or Germany.
 
> Otoh on other occasions, when they find it convenient, they'll act
> as Germany, not EU.
 
> Trump sees through that bullshit.
 
He probably thinks he does, but ...
 
 
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Brian W Lawrence <brian_w_lawrence@msn.com>: May 31 12:54PM +0100

On 31/05/2017 12:41, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
> different customs tariffs between the US and Germany than between the US
> and Belgium, according to Der Spiegel".
 
> https://qz.com/992271/trump-reportedly-called-germany-bad-very-bad-and-threatened-to-stop-americans-from-buying-bmws/
 
The BMW aspect of his complaints is interesting. Apparently BMW's
largest production plant in the world is in Spartanburg, South
Carolina, so most of the BMWs sold in the US are actually made
in the US, using US materials and US workers. Go figure.
 
 
 
 
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"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.los>: May 31 02:38PM +0300

Saw the last point. An ace. Yup.
Brian W Lawrence <brian_w_lawrence@msn.com>: May 31 12:06PM +0100

Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 31, 2017
 
"Despite the constant negative press covfefe"
 
Donald J. Trump‏ (@realDonaldTrump) 52 minutes ago
 
"Who can figure out the true meaning of "covfefe" ??? Enjoy!"
 
Retweeted more times than any other tweet since Jan 20.
 
 
 
 
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: May 31 01:17PM +0200


> Donald J. Trump? (@realDonaldTrump) 52 minutes ago
 
> "Who can figure out the true meaning of "covfefe" ??? Enjoy!"
 
> Retweeted more times than any other tweet since Jan 20.
 
 
Excellent move to boost his Twitter account.
 
He was out of the top 100 most followed before he run, he's now at
#34 with more that 31 million followers. That's ok, but not
enough for a man of his stature, importance and position.

 
Excellent move. Throw them a typo Twitter post and get enormous
exposure, widen your platform for spreading the truth, avoiding
fake news.
 
Operation, 100% success.
 
 
It's like that Lenin joke, about greedy capitalist who'd sell you
the rope with which you'd hang him.
 
Fake news are directly empowering Trump and making themselves even
more irrelevant by reporting on his Twitter account.

 
 
Either that or a billionaire and president of the United States
can't tweet?
:)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: May 31 08:33PM +1000

On 31/05/2017 1:45 AM, ahonkan wrote:
 
> Maybe she plays the early rounds half-a*sed like your hero Pete? :-)
> Have you forgotten how Borg was also very dicey in the early rounds?
> That didn't prevent him from racking up 6 FO's & 5 W's.
 
Kerber is 30 yrs old, had 1 great yr on tour. Let's not compare her to
the gods of tennis just yet.
 
: )
 
 
 
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calimero377@gmx.de: May 30 12:19PM -0700

German automakers export more cars from their US plants to the world than they import from other countries to the USA.
 
Sad! This has to change!
Germany first!
 
 
Max
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