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Thursday, May 11, 2017

Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: May 11 08:09PM +1000

On 10/05/2017 10:53 PM, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
>> bumrooters don't have to do.
 
> No reason to think facing S&Vers is beyond the players of today. On the
> contrary. It's S&V that is dead.
 
It takes a lot of talent to play s/v, so yes obvious why it's dead today.
 
 
> A case in point: Raonic played S&V at the AO up until he faced Nadal.
> Why do you think he didn't play S&V against him?
 
This weak argument comes up all the time. I wonder if it's pure
trolling or just dumbness?
 
If you're going to use Raonic as the epitome of s/v excellence ok, but
then I can use all the baseliners/FO champs Sampras beat even on clay to
suggest He'd kill everyone today.
 
See the logic fail?
 
 
>> styles is more difficult than conquering a more singular style.
 
> That might or might not apply to 1/2 of the game. In the other half, a
> S&Ver will almost invariably be playing with weaker groundies.
 
 
If today's players have such great groundies why the long rallies? They
should have optimized the ground game to kill points quickly.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: May 11 08:21PM +1000

On 11/05/2017 12:28 AM, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
 
> Which reminds me ... recently bumped into this:
 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgB5dNcsLh8
 
> Entertaining.
 
 
Muster was 44 yrs old there. Thiem should have been winning slams not
playing 44 yr old tennis players.
 
Borg had already won 3 slams when he was Thiem's age in that clip.
 
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"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.los>: May 11 02:05PM +0300

On 11.5.2017 13:09, Whisper wrote:
 
>> No reason to think facing S&Vers is beyond the players of today. On the
>> contrary. It's S&V that is dead.
 
> It takes a lot of talent to play s/v, so yes obvious why it's dead today.
 
If the wins are there, what's a little more effort? Unless you're saying
we get stupider and clumsier by the generation and the effort needed
would go up all the time.
 
>> Why do you think he didn't play S&V against him?
 
> This weak argument comes up all the time. I wonder if it's pure trolling
> or just dumbness?
 
The stronger the groundies, the more judicious the netrusher has to be.
Pick a netrusher, any netrusher.
 
> then I can use all the baseliners/FO champs Sampras beat even on clay to
> suggest He'd kill everyone today.
 
> See the logic fail?
 
The counter logic failed in the first sentence.
 
 
>> That might or might not apply to 1/2 of the game. In the other half, a
>> S&Ver will almost invariably be playing with weaker groundies.
 
> If today's players have such great groundies why the long rallies?
 
There's one on both side.
 
> They
> should have optimized the ground game to kill points quickly.
 
They do this too.
"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.los>: May 11 11:10AM +0300

Trump has a 36% approval rating compared to 58% who disapprove of him.
The number is down from Quinnipiac's April 19 poll, which found a 40%
approval rating, and just 1% higher than his lowest-ever rating since he
became president.
 
Key among those declines were groups that strongly advocated for his
election. Approval among white voters with no college degree fell 10
points from 57% to 47% since April 19. White men went from a 53%
approval to a 48% approval in that same time.
 
"There is no way to spin or sugarcoat these sagging numbers," Tim
Malloy, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll, said in a
statement.
 
"The erosion of white men, white voters without college degrees and
independent voters, the declaration by voters that President Donald
Trump's first 100 days were mainly a failure and deepening concerns
about Trump's honesty, intelligence and level headedness are red flags
that the administration simply can't brush away," Malloy added.
 
On Tuesday, Trump fired FBI Director James Comey, a controversial
decision that reverberated around Washington. It remains to be seen how
voters around the country will judge the move.
 
http://time.com/4774551/donald-trump-approval-rating-may-quinnipiac-poll/
 
Bad. I guess, getting things done didn't sink in too well.
Brian W Lawrence <brian_w_lawrence@msn.com>: May 11 10:59AM +0100

On 11/05/2017 09:10, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
> voters around the country will judge the move.
 
> http://time.com/4774551/donald-trump-approval-rating-may-quinnipiac-poll/
 
> Bad. I guess, getting things done didn't sink in too well.
 
I liked Question 9, "What is the first word that comes to mind when you
think of Donald Trump?"
 
These were the top 20 words:
 
idiot 39
incompetent 31
liar 30
leader 25
unqualified 25
president 22
strong 21
businessman 18
ignorant 16
egotistical 15
asshole 13
stupid 13
arrogant 12
trying 12
bully 11
business 11
narcissist 11
successful 11
disgusting 10
great 10
 
Numbers are number of times the word was given as an answer.
 
 
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"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.los>: May 11 01:55PM +0300

On 11.5.2017 12:59, Brian W Lawrence wrote:
> disgusting 10
> great 10
 
> Numbers are number of times the word was given as an answer.
 
Wow. I missed this. Super. "Disgusting" would be a very very good
choice. Yeah, I'll pick that.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: May 11 08:48PM +1000

On 11/05/2017 6:44 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> we all must take. The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back,
> and all turns to silver glass, and then you see white shores, and
> beyond, a far green country under a swift sunrise.
 
Links?
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: May 11 08:38PM +1000

On 11/05/2017 2:02 AM, Patrick Kehoe wrote:
 
> Rafa would just/normally mug Federer at Roland Garros... that much hasn't changed in men's tennis... :)
 
> P
 
There seems to be more hope for Fed this time. Logically it doesn't
make much sense on paper, but it's still sports at the end of the day &
Rafa is human. Love to see a final between them & Fed scaring him,
perhaps leading 2 sets to 0 even? Imagine the look on Rafa's face in
that scenario?
 
 
 
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Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: May 11 08:35PM +1000

On 11/05/2017 1:57 AM, Patrick Kehoe wrote:
 
>> Buble?
 
> :))))))))
 
KD Lang too.
TennisGuy <TGuy@techsavvy.com>: May 11 01:05AM -0400

On 5/10/2017 7:37 AM, Whisper wrote:
 
> Tier 1 post.
 
> Women have to be selective as they get pregnant & then are tied up for a
> couple yrs - pregnancy, rearing babies etc.
 
 
Funny I always thought it was the duty of the woman to protect their
dogs from the degenerate behavior of their spouses.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: May 11 08:34PM +1000

On 11/05/2017 1:45 AM, soccerfan777 wrote:
 
>> P
 
> Blame has to fall to Sharapova... she shouldn't have lost that match.
 
You seem overly worked up over a meaningless tune-up?
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: May 11 08:32PM +1000

On 11/05/2017 1:28 AM, Patrick Kehoe wrote:
> Yikes... Almagro had Nole in trouble at times... after winning the opening set 6-1, over the final 2 sets there wasn't much to set them apart... only Almagro's UFE's past game 8 was the difference and allowed Nole to inch past him... In many ways Nole looks quite his old self, except that in the ascendency (after a fine opener) Nole's base level sort of flattens out a bit right now/these days... the pattern over the past 5 or 6 seasons has been for him to build off a solid opening set and really drive home his dominance... Seems more mental than technical right now (which is to say nothing CONSPICUOUSLY wrong with his technique/shot to shot)... It will be interesting to see how he moves along during the Madrid event... what level will he play at match to match?... what does his 'A game' look like right now?... How will he play over an extended/protracted match where he's having to dig deep into his emotional/psychological reserves to gain advantages/victory?
 
> P
 
Tune in tomorrow to find out - same bat time, same bat channel.
 
Did you do the Batman voiceovers?
"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.los>: May 11 11:30AM +0300

Well, Rafa v. Kyrgios is pretty good too. How will Rafa do against the
130mph 2nd serve wielding moonballer?
 
Rafa barely got past Foggy. One putt was between them. One netted BH
gave Rafa the BP in the last game of the 3rd. I love Foggy.
"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.los>: May 11 11:20AM +0300

... in Trump's staff are doing their best to stop Trump from ruining
America. I love it:
 
Trump railing against NAFTA may make for good election-year politics,
but the truth is NAFTA has become an important part of not just our
economy, but also Mexico's and Canada's, and if we were to suddenly
withdraw from the agreement, the economic fallout could be massive and
painful and cause the price of everything to potentially skyrocket.
 
So what do you do if an issue requires nuance and careful consideration,
but you work for Donald Trump? Well, apparently you do a little
freelancing and reach out to the Canadian government to ask Prime
Minister Justin Trudeau to implore Trump to reconsider:
 
"The President was said to be persuaded by the argument to kill what he
has repeatedly called the "worst trade deal ever," despite concerns
about the economic disruption that might result.
 
According to Canadian government sources, White House advisers pushing a
more cautious approach then called Ottawa to ask for Trudeau's assistance.
 
"You never know how much of it is theatre, but it didn't feel that way,"
said one senior Canadian diplomatic source, who spoke on condition of
anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly about the
matter. "Maybe they're just learning how to be a government. At least
they were open to the conversation, and that stopped them doing
something rash and destructive."
 
Just what you want to hear from a foreign government official: "Maybe
they're just learning how to be a government." I mean, damn. That is
vicious.
 
But Trump doesn't like to be being undermined. Which, according to
Bloomberg, is exactly what National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster
learned recently after he let South Korea know that President Trump
wouldn't make them pay for defense:
 
"Other White House officials however tell me this is not the sentiment
the president has expressed recently in private. Trump was livid,
according to three White House officials, after reading in the Wall
Street Journal that McMaster had called his South Korean counterpart to
assure him that the president's threat to make that country pay for a
new missile defense system was not official policy. These officials say
Trump screamed at McMaster on a phone call, accusing him of undercutting
efforts to get South Korea to pay its fair share."
 
http://www.gq.com/story/donald-trump-keeps-getting-undermined
 
Once an Apprentice, always an Apprentice.
Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: May 10 09:07PM -0700

On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 8:49:39 PM UTC-7, Tim wrote:
> He would have won more than 7 slams. Ditto Hoad who Whisper raves about.
> If he was that good why was he a flop on the pro tour?
 
Hoad had some lingering injuries... he liked to live well/party... and liked to drink...
 
P
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: May 11 06:42AM +0200

> He would have won more than 7 slams. Ditto Hoad who Whisper raves about.
> If he was that good why was he a flop on the pro tour?
 
 
In his days AO and FO have been less relevant than they are today.
 
If you compare him at Wim, USO with others he's pretty good, 3rd
most successful in modern era.
 
 
Wim+USO
 
12 Sampras, Federer
11 -
10 -
9 -
8 -
7 McEnroe, Connors
6 -
5 Borg, Djokovic
4 Becker, Edberg, Nadal
3 Murray, Agassi, Lendl
2 Hewitt, Rafter
 
 
 
* in case of a tie;
a) more Wimbledon titles
b) chronologically
 
 
 
 
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Federer Fanatic <TheRelentlessTide@nospam.invalid>: May 11 02:17AM -0500

On Wed, 10 May 2017 21:07:10 -0700 (PDT), Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net> wrote:
| On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 8:49:39 PM UTC-7, Tim wrote:
|> He would have won more than 7 slams. Ditto Hoad who Whisper raves about.
|> If he was that good why was he a flop on the pro tour?
|
| Hoad had some lingering injuries... he liked to live well/party... and liked to drink...
|
| P
|
 
So if he was more Fed like he would have been just as good?
 
FF
acoustic@panix.com (lo yeeOn): May 11 04:18AM

"THAAD is here to protect South Korea, why do you oppose it?" CBS's
Diaz asked.
 
"The only reason America deployed THAAD here is to dominate Asia,"
another [South Korean] man said. "America's presence here only
raises the threat of war."
 
Please know that the Koreans, from the south or the north, aren't
little copies of Red Riding Hood. They aren't stupid. There is
nothing about their country or its history that you know and they
don't know themselves. For more of my rebuttal to jdeluise's ad
hominem, please continue to read.
 
In article <zgMQA.146135$Qa2.11579@fx10.iad>,
 
>As have the moon landing deniers, holocaust deniers, etc. Your
>chronology on usenet (you are a bad usenet citizen by the way) is
>irrelevant.
 
Well, what do you know?
 
Jdeluise is as grumpy as McCain when Trump gives the neocons and the
Deep State guardians the finger!
 
You've got to wonder why?
 
To me and many truthers, 9/11 was only an excuse to launch the PNAC
sub-projects; certainly no official report has much verifiability.
 
It's pretty clear to me first of all that McCain is up to no good by
badmouthing the head of state of America in front of a bunch of
Germans at this weird "Munich Security Conference core group".
 
Mike Flynn can't talk with the Russian ambassador but McCain can speak
ill of the president before a bunch of foreigners? How strange!
 
So, McCain is exactly the no-good type that my subject line expressed
- and as a good citizen, it is my duty to use my free speech rights to
say that and I'm for peace and for making America great again.
 
Furthermore, by spreading an inappropriate, non-parallel comparison
between the firing of Comey with the firing of Archibald Cox, he is
guilty of smearing. The foreigners most likely didn't know that
Archibld Cox wasn't an FBI director. To a majority of Americans in
Nixon's day, firing Cox was bad but to the majority of today's
Americans, firing Comey is good - good for Trump followers and good
for Hillary's supporters, at least.
 
To me, and to many truthers, the FBI report does not convince.
 
All it did was to whip up a war fervor, giving George W Bush a blank
check to kill Muslims, and bring disaster to others (see below).
 
The official conclusion (re 9/11) is illogical and against physics,
about which I'll let the structural engineers and the physicists
explain with their detailed explanation accompanied with photos,
simulations, and calculations. Why should the official line on 9/11
be any more trustworthy than the official line about Iraq's
non-existent WMD was?
 
The PNAC embraced by George W Bush and many of his key officials as
well as by Bush's brother is about regime change in the Middle East
and containment of Russia and China.
 
They don't give a damn about people's lives.
 
They claimed Iraq had a bad guy in charge, they went in and purged all
the Baathists and made not only the lives of the Sunni Iraqis
miserable, but also the rest of the people of the former Iraq under
Saddam. This includes Christians as well, such as the ancienct
community of ASsyrian Christians. How dare Bush claim to be a
Christian? And I refer to the "former Iraq" because Kurdish leader
Barzani has told the Italians recently that Iraq no longer exists.
So, we destroyed Iraq.
 
And we went on to destroy Libya and Syria, and now Yemen.
 
Of course, we are stuck in the Afghan quagmire - a place known as
empires' graveyard, as you well know.
 
Yet, McCain as well as former UN ambassador Bolton who sold the Iraq
war, and former CIA director James Woolsey who told us that we must
endure decades of War on Terror, as well as the current UN ambassador
Nikki Haley are all stepping on one another's toes to inflict pain on
our Korean brothers and sisters.
 
Somehow, you don't see their pain, even as they have just spoken loud
and clear that they don't want our THAAD systems and they want to have
a reproachment with their northern siblings.
 
It was a stroke of genius, IMHO, that Trump lobbed an metaphorically
incendiary device threatening "major, major conflict" with North Korea
that would make the neocons like McCain happy while at once
galvanizing the South Korea citizens to vote in "by a landslide" a
candidate who has promised them to make peace with the North. Of
course, the Deep State is very powerful and Trump might cave and
launch a war with NK. But that is another part of the history yet to
be unfold.
 
But at least, if Trump wants to, he can tell the American people that
the South Koreans don't want war with their northern siblings, so what
business do we have to immiserate their lives? Even if we don't care
about Korean lives, are we ready to absorb the collapse of the South
Korean economy, which probably ranks the top ten currently? And all
the Korean refugees? Tons of them will end up here, regardless of
official policy.
 
And Trump can see that if he doesn't show these neocons who is the
boss, they will eventually destroy him.
 
And I guarantee you that if they will make Trump fulfil his "major,
major conflict" promise, it will be a "major, major" disaster for him
personally. I fervently hope that he is smarter and more courageous
than the McCain type expects him to be and hence avoid that future.
 
You can keep throwing some irrelevant insults at me, any time you
want. I can absorb all that, 'cause these days, the neocons are in an
existential crisis, and they are pretty grumpy, especially when they
saw Russia's Kislyak having morphed into a Henry Kissinger in the Oval
Office.
 
lo yeeOn
 
South Koreans voted for change on Tuesday. May 9, 2017, 7:29 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/south-korea-election-results-north-korea-thaad-protests/
 
The nation opted -- by a significant margin -- for a liberal
presidential candidate who could completely alter the long-time
strategy on dealing with belligerent neighbor Kim Jong Un to the
north.
 
Official poll results were to be announced later Tuesday, but as exit
polling showed a landslide for Moon Jae-in, his two rivals conceded.
 
CBS News correspondent Adriana Diaz reports there were stark
differences between Moon and his competitors on how to contain the
growing North Korea threat, and what to do about the controversial
U.S. missile defense system known as THAAD which has been deployed in
South Korea.
 
Moon, who favors engagement with Pyongyang over confrontation, will be
the first liberal politician to lead the country in nearly a decade.
 
He could order the U.S. to remove THAAD, the missile defense system
deployed to intercept potential short- to medium-range North Korean
missiles targeting South Korea or other nearby countries. The system
was rushed in by the U.S. military just weeks ago, but was met by
angry protesters concerned it would only escalate tensions with the
North, and with China and Russia.
 
On the road that leads to one THAAD installation, CBS News was stopped
at a checkpoint, beyond which only military and police vehicles are
permitted.
 
Protesters have also come as close as they can get to the anti-missile
system to show their opposition. Buddhist demonstrators have been
camped out at the site for 50 days, praying for THAAD's removal. At a
makeshift camp down the road, demonstrators used their bodies to try
and stop traffic.
 
"We want to make sure this military vehicle isn't carrying any
supplies for THAAD," one man told us.
 
They want THAAD out -- despite repeated U.S. assurances it's here for
their benefit.
 
"THAAD is here to protect South Korea, why do you oppose it?" Diaz
asked.
 
"The only reason America deployed THAAD here is to dominate Asia,"
another man said. "America's presence here only raises the threat of
war."
 
THAAD's removal would deal a blow to America's military influence in
South Korea -- and a victory to China -- which fears THAAD's strong
radar system might be used by the U.S. to spy on China.
 
The official winner of the South Korean election will take office
first thing Wednesday morning.
 
 
Subject: McCain is really too old to be an effective senator - someone
who read too many Kafkaesque stories about centipedes, watched too
many Saturday Night Massacre movies, and confused Nixon's special
prosecutor with an FBI director
 
Furthermore, I strongly disagree with the assessment that the FBI head
is "the most respected individual in all of the American government".
 
"I remember the Saturday Night Massacre," McCain told the mostly
European and American guests, referring to the 1973 incident when
President Nixon fired the special prosecutor looking into the
Watergate break-in, Archibald Cox.
 
"Probably the most respected individual in all of the American
government is probably the director of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation," McCain said.
 
This poster thinks the American people, generally, has a rather
negative impression of the FBI - too powerful, too intrusive, and not
particularly credible.
 
You don't believe me? Ask people about the FBI's role in President
Kennedy's assassination, in MLK Jr.'s assassination, in J Edgar
Hoover's role in persecuting American scientists ...
 
I personally also do not believe the FBI's conclusion on 9/11. I
believe that I am far from being alone since the term "truthers" has
long been around even before I started posting on these newsgroups.
 
Even the "voices" of the people don't respect the FBI head. Just ask
Hillary, she has blamed two people for her defeat - one of them is the
then FBI director Comey. Nor does President Trump seem to like Comey.
 
When neither of these two rivals "respect (in the sense of McCain)"
the office of the FBI head, millions of their followers don't either.
 
So, QED, McCain is just sucking up the oxygen in Washington and
wasting billions of the American taxpayer money to feed his personal
habits. One of the latest of the billions he is planning to grab from
your wallet and mine is for the alleged purpose of "containing China"!
 
McCain proposes $7.5 billion of new U.S. military funding for
Asia-Pacific
 
What a waste of my money - don't know about yours!
 
lo yeeOn
 
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/05/10/john-mccain-on-comey-firing-there-will-be-more-shoes-to-drop/?utm_term=.68ee4eef6cdc
 
President Trump's sudden firing of FBI Director James B. Comey is bad
for the country and will not be the end of the Trump-Russia affair,
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) told a group of foreign diplomats and
experts Tuesday night.
 
Although McCain did not directly accuse the White House of firing
Comey to thwart the FBI's investigation into the Trump campaign's
possible Russia ties, he did say that if that was the intention, it
would fail.
 
[Comey's dismissal may turn the anti-Trump wave into a tsunami]
 
"This scandal is going to go on. I've seen it before," McCain told a
meeting of the Munich Security Conference core group."
 
"This is a centipede. I guarantee you there will be more shoes to
drop, I can just guarantee it. There's just too much information that
we don't have that will be coming out."
 
He called Trump's actions against Comey "unprecedented" and said the
position of FBI director has held special meaning in American public
life dating back decades.
 
"I remember the Saturday Night Massacre," McCain told the mostly
European and American guests, referring to the 1973 incident when
President Nixon fired the special prosecutor looking into the
Watergate break-in, Archibald Cox.
 
"Probably the most respected individual in all of the American
government is probably the director of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation," McCain said. "I'm very sorry that this has happened."
 
"Probably the most respected individual in all of the American
government is probably the director of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation," McCain said. "I'm very sorry that this has happened."
 
---------
 
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/332770-gop-senators-on-comey-firing-where-they-stand
 
Trump scored his most prominent defender on Wednesday when Senate
Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) noted that Democrats had
previously criticized Comey and supported Rod Rosenstein's deputy
attorney general nomination. "Our Democratic colleagues [are]
complaining about the removal of an FBI director whom they themselves
repeatedly and sharply criticized," McConnell said on the Senate
floor. "That removal being done by a man, Rod Rosenstein, who they
repeatedly and effusively praised.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Subject: Trump met Russian FM Sergei Lavrov and Russian Ambassador
Kislyak and the press corp who was hoping to get a glimpse of the
Russians found Henry Kissinger in the Oval Office instead
 
Is it McCain's another Russian shoe that would drop?
 
One White House correspondent, speaking on background, remarked on
the unusual nature of the entire morning: None of the press were
alerted that Kislyak would also be at the meeting until photos from
the Russian embassy emerged. At one point the pool was hastily
assembled at one point for what they thought was a photo spray
ending the meeting with Lavrov, but as the press filed into the Oval
Office they discovered instead former Secretary of State Henry
Kissinger sitting there.
 
A Kislyak morphing into a Kissinger behind a smiling Trump shaking
Lavrov's hand - hilarious!
 
lo yeeOn
 
Lavrov: Trump admin are business people, dialogue free from
ideological bias
 
Published time: 10 May, 2017 15:36 Edited time: 10 May, 2017 17:39
 
https://www.rt.com/news/387891-lavrov-tillerson-meeting-washington/
 
. . .
 
"We have thoroughly discussed Syria, including those ideas about
creating de-escalation zones. We have a shared understanding that this
must be a step made jointly to put an end to violence in Syria,"
Lavrov said.
 
Lavrov added that he and President Trump did not touch upon the
subject of Russia's alleged meddling in the US elections in 2016,
calling the media hype around the subject an "orgy".
 
US officials are harming their own people by saying that Russia might
have influenced the elections and is standing behind US internal
affairs, Lavrov also said.
 
"I think this is even humiliating for American people to hear that US
internal affairs are being governed by Russia. How can it be that such
a great nation is thinking in this way?" Lavrov said.
 
However, reporters apparently would not let the issue lie, repeating
the same question several times. Lavrov was compelled to repeat that
there has been no solid evidence of any meddling.
 
After being asked about the issue for a fourth time, Lavrov looked
somewhat annoyed as he replied that he had "already answered".
bmoore@nyx.net: May 10 09:41PM -0700

On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 9:18:24 PM UTC-7, lo yeeOn wrote:
> little copies of Red Riding Hood. They aren't stupid. There is
> nothing about their country or its history that you know and they
> don't know themselves.
 
There's been no mention of Korea in this thread until now. You are really weird.
 
> For more of my rebuttal to jdeluise's ad
> hominem, please continue to read.
 
But if you want it to make any sense you'll need to smoke a lot of weed.
 
Wow.
 
acoustic@panix.com (lo yeeOn): May 11 04:55AM

"THAAD is here to protect South Korea, why do you oppose it?" CBS's
Diaz asked.
 
"The only reason America deployed THAAD here is to dominate Asia,"
another [South Korean] man said. "America's presence here only
raises the threat of war."
 
Please know that the Koreans, from the south or the north, aren't
little copies of Red Riding Hood. They aren't stupid. There is
nothing about their country or its history that you know and they
don't know themselves. For more of my rebuttal to jdeluise's ad
hominem, please continue to read.
 
In article <zgMQA.146135$Qa2.11579@fx10.iad>,
 
>As have the moon landing deniers, holocaust deniers, etc. Your
>chronology on usenet (you are a bad usenet citizen by the way) is
>irrelevant.
 
Well, what do you know?
 
Jdeluise is as grumpy as McCain when Trump gives the neocons and the
Deep State guardians the finger!
 
You've got to wonder why?
 
To me and many truthers, 9/11 was only an excuse to launch the PNAC
sub-projects; certainly no official report has much verifiability.
 
It's pretty clear to me first of all that McCain is up to no good by
badmouthing the head of state of America in front of a bunch of
Germans at this weird "Munich Security Conference core group".
 
Mike Flynn can't talk with the Russian ambassador but McCain can speak
ill of the president before a bunch of foreigners? How strange!
 
So, McCain is exactly the no-good type that my subject line expressed
- and as a good citizen, it is my duty to use my free speech rights to
say that and I'm for peace and for making America great again.
 
Furthermore, by spreading an inappropriate, non-parallel comparison
between the firing of Comey with the firing of Archibald Cox, he is
guilty of smearing. The foreigners most likely didn't know that
Archibld Cox wasn't an FBI director. To a majority of Americans in
Nixon's day, firing Cox was bad but to the majority of today's
Americans, firing Comey is good - good for Trump followers and good
for Hillary's supporters, at least.
 
To me, and to many truthers, the FBI report does not convince.
 
All it did was to whip up a war fervor, giving George W Bush a blank
check to kill Muslims, and bring disaster to others (see below).
 
The official conclusion (re 9/11) is illogical and against physics,
about which I'll let the structural engineers and the physicists
explain with their detailed explanation accompanied with photos,
simulations, and calculations. Why should the official line on 9/11
be any more trustworthy than the official line about Iraq's
non-existent WMD was?
 
The PNAC embraced by George W Bush and many of his key officials as
well as by Bush's brother is about regime change in the Middle East
and containment of Russia and China.
 
They don't give a damn about people's lives.
 
They claimed Iraq had a bad guy in charge, they went in and purged all
the Baathists and made not only the lives of the Sunni Iraqis
miserable, but also the rest of the people of the former Iraq under
Saddam. This includes Christians as well, such as the ancienct
community of ASsyrian Christians. How dare Bush claim to be a
Christian? And I refer to the "former Iraq" because Kurdish leader
Barzani has told the Italians recently that Iraq no longer exists.
So, we destroyed Iraq.
 
And we went on to destroy Libya and Syria, and now Yemen.
 
Of course, we are stuck in the Afghan quagmire - a place known as
empires' graveyard, as you well know.
 
Yet, McCain as well as former UN ambassador Bolton who sold the Iraq
war, and former CIA director James Woolsey who told us that we must
endure decades of War on Terror, as well as the current UN ambassador
Nikki Haley are all stepping on one another's toes to inflict pain on
our Korean brothers and sisters.
 
Somehow, you don't see their pain, even as they have just spoken loud
and clear that they don't want our THAAD systems and they want to have
a reproachment with their northern siblings.
 
It was a stroke of genius, IMHO, that Trump lobbed an metaphorically
incendiary device threatening "major, major conflict" with North Korea
that would make the neocons like McCain happy while at once
galvanizing the South Korea citizens to vote in "by a landslide" a
candidate who has promised them to make peace with the North. Of
course, the Deep State is very powerful and Trump might cave and
launch a war with NK. But that is another part of the history yet to
be unfold.
 
But at least, if Trump wants to, he can tell the American people that
the South Koreans don't want war with their northern siblings, so what
business do we have to immiserate their lives? Even if we don't care
about Korean lives, are we ready to absorb the collapse of the South
Korean economy, which probably ranks the top ten currently? And all
the Korean refugees? Tons of them will end up here, regardless of
official policy.
 
And Trump can see that if he doesn't show these neocons who is the
boss, they will eventually destroy him.
 
And I guarantee you that if they will make Trump fulfil his "major,
major conflict" promise, it will be a "major, major" disaster for him
personally. I fervently hope that he is smarter and more courageous
than the McCain type expects him to be and hence avoid that future.
 
You can keep throwing some irrelevant insults at me, any time you
want. I can absorb all that, 'cause these days, the neocons are in an
existential crisis, and they are pretty grumpy, especially when they
saw Russia's Kislyak having morphed into a Henry Kissinger in the Oval
Office.
 
lo yeeOn
 
South Koreans voted for change on Tuesday. May 9, 2017, 7:29 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/south-korea-election-results-north-korea-thaad-protests/
 
The nation opted -- by a significant margin -- for a liberal
presidential candidate who could completely alter the long-time
strategy on dealing with belligerent neighbor Kim Jong Un to the
north.
 
Official poll results were to be announced later Tuesday, but as exit
polling showed a landslide for Moon Jae-in, his two rivals conceded.
 
CBS News correspondent Adriana Diaz reports there were stark
differences between Moon and his competitors on how to contain the
growing North Korea threat, and what to do about the controversial
U.S. missile defense system known as THAAD which has been deployed in
South Korea.
 
Moon, who favors engagement with Pyongyang over confrontation, will be
the first liberal politician to lead the country in nearly a decade.
 
He could order the U.S. to remove THAAD, the missile defense system
deployed to intercept potential short- to medium-range North Korean
missiles targeting South Korea or other nearby countries. The system
was rushed in by the U.S. military just weeks ago, but was met by
angry protesters concerned it would only escalate tensions with the
North, and with China and Russia.
 
On the road that leads to one THAAD installation, CBS News was stopped
at a checkpoint, beyond which only military and police vehicles are
permitted.
 
Protesters have also come as close as they can get to the anti-missile
system to show their opposition. Buddhist demonstrators have been
camped out at the site for 50 days, praying for THAAD's removal. At a
makeshift camp down the road, demonstrators used their bodies to try
and stop traffic.
 
"We want to make sure this military vehicle isn't carrying any
supplies for THAAD," one man told us.
 
They want THAAD out -- despite repeated U.S. assurances it's here for
their benefit.
 
"THAAD is here to protect South Korea, why do you oppose it?" Diaz
asked.
 
"The only reason America deployed THAAD here is to dominate Asia,"
another man said. "America's presence here only raises the threat of
war."
 
THAAD's removal would deal a blow to America's military influence in
South Korea -- and a victory to China -- which fears THAAD's strong
radar system might be used by the U.S. to spy on China.
 
The official winner of the South Korean election will take office
first thing Wednesday morning.
 
 
Subject: McCain is really too old to be an effective senator - someone
who read too many Kafkaesque stories about centipedes, watched too
many Saturday Night Massacre movies, and confused Nixon's special
prosecutor with an FBI director
 
Furthermore, I strongly disagree with the assessment that the FBI head
is "the most respected individual in all of the American government".
 
"I remember the Saturday Night Massacre," McCain told the mostly
European and American guests, referring to the 1973 incident when
President Nixon fired the special prosecutor looking into the
Watergate break-in, Archibald Cox.
 
"Probably the most respected individual in all of the American
government is probably the director of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation," McCain said.
 
This poster thinks the American people, generally, has a rather
negative impression of the FBI - too powerful, too intrusive, and not
particularly credible.
 
You don't believe me? Ask people about the FBI's role in President
Kennedy's assassination, in MLK Jr.'s assassination, in J Edgar
Hoover's role in persecuting American scientists ...
 
I personally also do not believe the FBI's conclusion on 9/11. I
believe that I am far from being alone since the term "truthers" has
long been around even before I started posting on these newsgroups.
 
Even the "voices" of the people don't respect the FBI head. Just ask
Hillary, she has blamed two people for her defeat - one of them is the
then FBI director Comey. Nor does President Trump seem to like Comey.
 
When neither of these two rivals "respect (in the sense of McCain)"
the office of the FBI head, millions of their followers don't either.
 
So, QED, McCain is just sucking up the oxygen in Washington and
wasting billions of the American taxpayer money to feed his personal
habits. One of the latest of the billions he is planning to grab from
your wallet and mine is for the alleged purpose of "containing China"!
 
McCain proposes $7.5 billion of new U.S. military funding for
Asia-Pacific
 
What a waste of my money - don't know about yours!
 
lo yeeOn
 
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/05/10/john-mccain-on-comey-firing-there-will-be-more-shoes-to-drop/?utm_term=.68ee4eef6cdc
 
President Trump's sudden firing of FBI Director James B. Comey is bad
for the country and will not be the end of the Trump-Russia affair,
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) told a group of foreign diplomats and
experts Tuesday night.
 
Although McCain did not directly accuse the White House of firing
Comey to thwart the FBI's investigation into the Trump campaign's
possible Russia ties, he did say that if that was the intention, it
would fail.
 
[Comey's dismissal may turn the anti-Trump wave into a tsunami]
 
"This scandal is going to go on. I've seen it before," McCain told a
meeting of the Munich Security Conference core group."
 
"This is a centipede. I guarantee you there will be more shoes to
drop, I can just guarantee it. There's just too much information that
we don't have that will be coming out."
 
He called Trump's actions against Comey "unprecedented" and said the
position of FBI director has held special meaning in American public
life dating back decades.
 
"I remember the Saturday Night Massacre," McCain told the mostly
European and American guests, referring to the 1973 incident when
President Nixon fired the special prosecutor looking into the
Watergate break-in, Archibald Cox.
 
"Probably the most respected individual in all of the American
government is probably the director of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation," McCain said. "I'm very sorry that this has happened."
 
"Probably the most respected individual in all of the American
government is probably the director of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation," McCain said. "I'm very sorry that this has happened."
 
---------
 
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/332770-gop-senators-on-comey-firing-where-they-stand
 
Trump scored his most prominent defender on Wednesday when Senate
Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) noted that Democrats had
previously criticized Comey and supported Rod Rosenstein's deputy
attorney general nomination. "Our Democratic colleagues [are]
complaining about the removal of an FBI director whom they themselves
repeatedly and sharply criticized," McConnell said on the Senate
floor. "That removal being done by a man, Rod Rosenstein, who they
repeatedly and effusively praised.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Subject: Trump met Russian FM Sergei Lavrov and Russian Ambassador
Kislyak and the press corp who was hoping to get a glimpse of the
Russians found Henry Kissinger in the Oval Office instead
 
Is it McCain's another Russian shoe that would drop?
 
One White House correspondent, speaking on background, remarked on
the unusual nature of the entire morning: None of the press were
alerted that Kislyak would also be at the meeting until photos from
the Russian embassy emerged. At one point the pool was hastily
assembled at one point for what they thought was a photo spray
ending the meeting with Lavrov, but as the press filed into the Oval
Office they discovered instead former Secretary of State Henry
Kissinger sitting there.
 
A Kislyak morphing into a Kissinger behind a smiling Trump shaking
Lavrov's hand - hilarious!
 
lo yeeOn
 
Lavrov: Trump admin are business people, dialogue free from
ideological bias
 
Published time: 10 May, 2017 15:36 Edited time: 10 May, 2017 17:39
 
https://www.rt.com/news/387891-lavrov-tillerson-meeting-washington/
 
. . .
 
"We have thoroughly discussed Syria, including those ideas about
creating de-escalation zones. We have a shared understanding that this
must be a step made jointly to put an end to violence in Syria,"
Lavrov said.
 
Lavrov added that he and President Trump did not touch upon the
subject of Russia's alleged meddling in the US elections in 2016,
calling the media hype around the subject an "orgy".
 
US officials are harming their own people by saying that Russia might
have influenced the elections and is standing behind US internal
affairs, Lavrov also said.
 
"I think this is even humiliating for American people to hear that US
internal affairs are being governed by Russia. How can it be that such
a great nation is thinking in this way?" Lavrov said.
 
However, reporters apparently would not let the issue lie, repeating
the same question several times. Lavrov was compelled to repeat that
there has been no solid evidence of any meddling.
 
After being asked about the issue for a fourth time, Lavrov looked
somewhat annoyed as he replied that he had "already answered".
acoustic@panix.com (lo yeeOn): May 11 05:19AM

In article <ae0e3761-ec4c-4e54-96a8-59c43a4cdcaf@googlegroups.com>,
>> don't know themselves.
 
>There's been no mention of Korea in this thread until now. You are
>really weird.
 
You're weird yourself by thinking that people don't know the two of
your are in consort to smear President Trump. From day one, jdeluise
was referring to Trump the candidate with his "rug", disregarding his
message.
 
Of course, the Korean thing is connected to the other things that
McCain advocates. There isn't a war that McCain doesn't like. I
don't have to mention everything in one post. But if you ignore the
original message, then it's time to hear some more of the unpatriotic
things that McCain has been doing to America.
 
lo yeeOn
 
>> For more of my rebuttal to jdeluise's ad hominem, please continue
to read.
 
>But if you want it to make any sense you'll need to smoke a lot of weed.
 
>Wow.
 
Of course, I made sense and I always try my best to make sense. But
if President Trump invited Lavrov to meet him at the Oval Office and
the NYT called it a meeting at an awkward time, then it would be just
like you to throw that kind of ad hominem at me. Just because you
said "Wow" doesn't mean that message wasn't clear.
 
But with respect to your tactics, I am used to it. Don't forget that
you were trying to incite people to physically harm me because in my
posts, I asked why hundreds of thousands of Iraqis should die just
because we said their president was bad. Do you want me to repost
your violent message?
 
And what kind of person are you, really, when the politicians are
threatening the extinction of the Korean people and you are attacking
the messenger who object to their callous act?
 
lo yeeOn
 
PS: My original reply was misterioiusly gone, leaving bmoore's ad
hominem - so weird! So, this was that post that got deleted:
 
Subject: Re: McCain is really too old to be an effective senator -
someone who read too many Kafkaesque stories about centipedes, watched
too many Saturday Night Massacre movies, and confused Nixon's special
prosecutor with an FBI director
 
"THAAD is here to protect South Korea, why do you oppose it?" CBS's
Diaz asked.
 
"The only reason America deployed THAAD here is to dominate Asia,"
another [South Korean] man said. "America's presence here only
raises the threat of war."
 
Please know that the Koreans, from the south or the north, aren't
little copies of Red Riding Hood. They aren't stupid. There is
nothing about their country or its history that you know and they
don't know themselves. For more of my rebuttal to jdeluise's ad
hominem, please continue to read.
 
In article <zgMQA.146135$Qa2.11579@fx10.iad>,
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> wrote:
 
>As have the moon landing deniers, holocaust deniers, etc. Your
>chronology on usenet (you are a bad usenet citizen by the way) is
>irrelevant.
 
Well, what do you know?
 
Jdeluise is as grumpy as McCain when Trump gives the neocons and the
Deep State guardians the finger!
 
You've got to wonder why?
 
To me and many truthers, 9/11 was only an excuse to launch the PNAC
sub-projects; certainly no official report has much verifiability.
 
It's pretty clear to me first of all that McCain is up to no good by
badmouthing the head of state of America in front of a bunch of
Germans at this weird "Munich Security Conference core group".
 
Mike Flynn can't talk with the Russian ambassador but McCain can speak
ill of the president before a bunch of foreigners? How strange!
 
So, McCain is exactly the no-good type that my subject line expressed
- and as a good citizen, it is my duty to use my free speech rights to
say that and I'm for peace and for making America great again.
 
Furthermore, by spreading an inappropriate, non-parallel comparison
between the firing of Comey with the firing of Archibald Cox, he is
guilty of smearing. The foreigners most likely didn't know that
Archibld Cox wasn't an FBI director. To a majority of Americans in
Nixon's day, firing Cox was bad but to the majority of today's
Americans, firing Comey is good - good for Trump followers and good
for Hillary's supporters, at least.
 
To me, and to many truthers, the FBI report does not convince.
 
All it did was to whip up a war fervor, giving George W Bush a blank
check to kill Muslims, and bring disaster to others (see below).
 
The official conclusion (re 9/11) is illogical and against physics,
about which I'll let the structural engineers and the physicists
explain with their detailed explanation accompanied with photos,
simulations, and calculations. Why should the official line on 9/11
be any more trustworthy than the official line about Iraq's
non-existent WMD was?
 
The PNAC embraced by George W Bush and many of his key officials as
well as by Bush's brother is about regime change in the Middle East
and containment of Russia and China.
 
They don't give a damn about people's lives.
 
They claimed Iraq had a bad guy in charge, they went in and purged all
the Baathists and made not only the lives of the Sunni Iraqis
miserable, but also the rest of the people of the former Iraq under
Saddam. This includes Christians as well, such as the ancienct
community of ASsyrian Christians. How dare Bush claim to be a
Christian? And I refer to the "former Iraq" because Kurdish leader
Barzani has told the Italians recently that Iraq no longer exists.
So, we destroyed Iraq.
 
And we went on to destroy Libya and Syria, and now Yemen.
 
Of course, we are stuck in the Afghan quagmire - a place known as
empires' graveyard, as you well know.
 
Yet, McCain as well as former UN ambassador Bolton who sold the Iraq
war, and former CIA director James Woolsey who told us that we must
endure decades of War on Terror, as well as the current UN ambassador
Nikki Haley are all stepping on one another's toes to inflict pain on
our Korean brothers and sisters.
 
Somehow, you don't see their pain, even as they have just spoken loud
and clear that they don't want our THAAD systems and they want to have
a reproachment with their northern siblings.
 
It was a stroke of genius, IMHO, that Trump lobbed an metaphorically
incendiary device threatening "major, major conflict" with North Korea
that would make the neocons like McCain happy while at once
galvanizing the South Korea citizens to vote in "by a landslide" a
candidate who has promised them to make peace with the North. Of
course, the Deep State is very powerful and Trump might cave and
launch a war with NK. But that is another part of the history yet to
be unfold.
 
But at least, if Trump wants to, he can tell the American people that
the South Koreans don't want war with their northern siblings, so what
business do we have to immiserate their lives? Even if we don't care
about Korean lives, are we ready to absorb the collapse of the South
Korean economy, which probably ranks the top ten currently? And all
the Korean refugees? Tons of them will end up here, regardless of
official policy.
 
And Trump can see that if he doesn't show these neocons who is the
boss, they will eventually destroy him.
 
And I guarantee you that if they will make Trump fulfil his "major,
major conflict" promise, it will be a "major, major" disaster for him
personally. I fervently hope that he is smarter and more courageous
than the McCain type expects him to be and hence avoid that future.
 
You can keep throwing some irrelevant insults at me, any time you
want. I can absorb all that, 'cause these days, the neocons are in an
existential crisis, and they are pretty grumpy, especially when they
saw Russia's Kislyak having morphed into a Henry Kissinger in the Oval
Office.
 
lo yeeOn
 
South Koreans voted for change on Tuesday. May 9, 2017, 7:29 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/south-korea-election-results-north-korea-thaad-protests/
 
The nation opted -- by a significant margin -- for a liberal
presidential candidate who could completely alter the long-time
strategy on dealing with belligerent neighbor Kim Jong Un to the
north.
 
Official poll results were to be announced later Tuesday, but as exit
polling showed a landslide for Moon Jae-in, his two rivals conceded.
 
CBS News correspondent Adriana Diaz reports there were stark
differences between Moon and his competitors on how to contain the
growing North Korea threat, and what to do about the controversial
U.S. missile defense system known as THAAD which has been deployed in
South Korea.
 
Moon, who favors engagement with Pyongyang over confrontation, will be
the first liberal politician to lead the country in nearly a decade.
 
He could order the U.S. to remove THAAD, the missile defense system
deployed to intercept potential short- to medium-range North Korean
missiles targeting South Korea or other nearby countries. The system
was rushed in by the U.S. military just weeks ago, but was met by
angry protesters concerned it would only escalate tensions with the
North, and with China and Russia.
 
On the road that leads to one THAAD installation, CBS News was stopped
at a checkpoint, beyond which only military and police vehicles are
permitted.
 
Protesters have also come as close as they can get to the anti-missile
system to show their opposition. Buddhist demonstrators have been
camped out at the site for 50 days, praying for THAAD's removal. At a
makeshift camp down the road, demonstrators used their bodies to try
and stop traffic.
 
"We want to make sure this military vehicle isn't carrying any
supplies for THAAD," one man told us.
 
They want THAAD out -- despite repeated U.S. assurances it's here for
their benefit.
 
"THAAD is here to protect South Korea, why do you oppose it?" Diaz
asked.
 
"The only reason America deployed THAAD here is to dominate Asia,"
another man said. "America's presence here only raises the threat of
war."
 
THAAD's removal would deal a blow to America's military influence in
South Korea -- and a victory to China -- which fears THAAD's strong
radar system might be used by the U.S. to spy on China.
 
The official winner of the South Korean election will take office
first thing Wednesday morning.
 
 
Subject: McCain is really too old to be an effective senator - someone
who read too many Kafkaesque stories about centipedes, watched too
many Saturday Night Massacre movies, and confused Nixon's special
prosecutor with an FBI director
 
Furthermore, I strongly disagree with the assessment that the FBI head
is "the most respected individual in all of the American government".
 
"I remember the Saturday Night Massacre," McCain told the mostly
European and American guests, referring to the 1973 incident when
President Nixon fired the special prosecutor looking into the
Watergate break-in, Archibald Cox.
 
"Probably the most respected individual in all of the American
government is probably the director of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation," McCain said.
 
This poster thinks the American people, generally, has a rather
negative impression of the FBI - too powerful, too intrusive, and not
particularly credible.
 
You don't believe me? Ask people about the FBI's role in President
Kennedy's assassination, in MLK Jr.'s assassination, in J Edgar
Hoover's role in persecuting American scientists ...
 
I personally also do not believe the FBI's conclusion on 9/11. I
believe that I am far from being alone since the term "truthers" has
long been around even before I started posting on these newsgroups.
 
Even the "voices" of the people don't respect the FBI head. Just ask
Hillary, she has blamed two people for her defeat - one of them is the
then FBI director Comey. Nor does President Trump seem to like Comey.
 
When neither of these two rivals "respect (in the sense of McCain)"
the office of the FBI head, millions of their followers don't either.
 
So, QED, McCain is just sucking up the oxygen in Washington and
wasting billions of the American taxpayer money to feed his personal
habits. One of the latest of the billions he is planning to grab from
your wallet and mine is for the alleged purpose of "containing China"!
 
McCain proposes $7.5 billion of new U.S. military funding for
Asia-Pacific
 
What a waste of my money - don't know about yours!
 
lo yeeOn
 
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/05/10/john-mccain-on-comey-firing-there-will-be-more-shoes-to-drop/?utm_term=.68ee4eef6cdc
 
President Trump's sudden firing of FBI Director James B. Comey is bad
for the country and will not be the end of the Trump-Russia affair,
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) told a group of foreign diplomats and
experts Tuesday night.
 
Although McCain did not directly accuse the White House of firing
Comey to thwart the FBI's investigation into the Trump campaign's
possible Russia ties, he did say that if that was the intention, it
would fail.
 
[Comey's dismissal may turn the anti-Trump wave into a tsunami]
 
"This scandal is going to go on. I've seen it before," McCain told a
meeting of the Munich Security Conference core group."
 
"This is a centipede. I guarantee you there will be more shoes to
drop, I can just guarantee it. There's just too much information that
we don't have that will be coming out."
 
He called Trump's actions against Comey "unprecedented" and said the
position of FBI director has held special meaning in American public
life dating back decades.
 
"I remember the Saturday Night Massacre," McCain told the mostly
European and American guests, referring to the 1973 incident when
President Nixon fired the special prosecutor looking into the
Watergate break-in, Archibald Cox.
 
"Probably the most respected individual in all of the American
government is probably the director of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation," McCain said. "I'm very sorry that this has happened."
 
"Probably the most respected individual in all of the American
government is probably the director of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation," McCain said. "I'm very sorry that this has happened."
 
---------
 
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/332770-gop-senators-on-comey-firing-where-they-stand
 
Trump scored his most prominent defender on Wednesday when Senate
Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) noted that Democrats had
previously criticized Comey and supported Rod Rosenstein's deputy
attorney general nomination. "Our Democratic colleagues [are]
complaining about the removal of an FBI director whom they themselves
repeatedly and sharply criticized," McConnell said on the Senate
floor. "That removal being done by a man, Rod Rosenstein, who they
repeatedly and effusively praised.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Subject: Trump met Russian FM Sergei Lavrov and Russian Ambassador
Kislyak and the press corp who was hoping to get a glimpse of the
Russians found Henry Kissinger in the Oval Office instead
 
Is it McCain's another Russian shoe that would drop?
 
One White House correspondent, speaking on background, remarked on
the unusual nature of the entire morning: None of the press were
alerted that Kislyak would also be at the meeting until photos from
the Russian embassy emerged. At one point the pool was hastily
assembled at one point for what they thought was a photo spray
ending the meeting with Lavrov, but as the press filed into the Oval
Office they discovered instead former Secretary of State Henry
Kissinger sitting there.
 
A Kislyak morphing into a Kissinger behind a smiling Trump shaking
Lavrov's hand - hilarious!
 
lo yeeOn
 
Lavrov: Trump admin are business people, dialogue free from
ideological bias
 
Published time: 10 May, 2017 15:36 Edited time: 10 May, 2017 17:39
 
https://www.rt.com/news/387891-lavrov-tillerson-meeting-washington/
 
. . .
 
"We have thoroughly discussed Syria,
bmoore@nyx.net: May 10 10:39PM -0700

On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 10:19:56 PM UTC-7, lo yeeOn wrote:
> your are in consort to smear President Trump. From day one, jdeluise
> was referring to Trump the candidate with his "rug", disregarding his
> message.
 
Are you an educated person? You don't sound like one.

> posts, I asked why hundreds of thousands of Iraqis should die just
> because we said their president was bad. Do you want me to repost
> your violent message?
 
All in your tiny mind.
 
> And what kind of person are you, really, when the politicians are
> threatening the extinction of the Korean people and you are attacking
> the messenger who object to their callous act?
 
Again, there was no mention of Korea, fool.
 
> lo yeeOn
 
> PS: My original reply was misterioiusly gone, leaving bmoore's ad
> hominem - so weird! So, this was that post that got deleted:
 
Yeah, my associates in the deep state got rid of it.
 
What a maroon.
 
 
 
acoustic@panix.com (lo yeeOn): May 11 04:50AM

Otherwise, they will keep exploiting his fear for them and destroy him
in the end. Someone who thinks that Trump firing Comey for
self-preservation is right. They will destroy him if he let them.
 
Trump planned the meeting down to the last detail - inviting Henry
Kissinger in, either for the meeting or right after. Of course, Trump
wanted the meeting and invited his Russian guests right after he fired
Comey to show the neocons whoz the boss!
 
New York Times: With Awkward Timing, Trump Meets Top Russian Official
 
President Trump with the Russian foreign minister, Sergey Lavrov,
left, and the Russian ambassador, Sergey Kislyak, at the White House
on Wednesday. The White House did not allow American news
organizations to photograph the meeting. Images were released
through the Russian Foreign Ministry. Credit Russian Foreign Ministry
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/05/11/world/11diplo_web2/11diplo_web2-master768.jpg
 
So, the Russians brought along their own photographer and shot this
picture. I don't think Trump, who was the host, chose an awkward time
to meet with the Russians. I think Trump knew exactly what he was
doing. "Awkward time" was just the Grey Old Lady's spin - to make the
casual reader think that Trump didn't know what he was doing. Yeah,
right!
 
lo yeeOn
 
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Trump Russia meeting: Lavrov praises Trump and Tillerson after talks
 
Sergei Lavrov and Donald Trump said they had constructive
discussions about Syria
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/12E1C/production/_96004377_mediaitem96004376.jpg
 
Moscow and Washington are looking to "remove all the barriers" to
having a better relationship, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov
has said following talks at the White House.
 
Mr Lavrov met with President Donald Trump and Secretary of State Rex
Tillerson on Wednesday.
 
Improved relations and the war in Syria apparently dominated the
agenda.
 
But critics questioned the timing of the meetings, a day after Mr
Trump fired FBI director James Comey.
 
Mr Comey was leading an investigation into alleged Russian
interference in last year's US election.
 
Clearly impatient with journalists' repeated questions about Mr Comey,
Mr Lavrov rejected claims that Moscow had intervened in the
presidential election as "fabrications".
 
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The strange Oval Office meeting between Trump, Lavrov and Kislyak
Washington Post - 6 hours ago
 
Although the encounter between Trump, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov,
and Ambassador Sergey Kislyak took place in the center of American
power, it was TASS, the official Russian news agency, that had the
pictures. According to Andrei Sitov, the TASS ...
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