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Thursday, May 4, 2017

Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>: May 03 08:09PM -0500


> You don't think that the Russian's actions along with Comey's could have
> swayed things by a couple of percentage points, but her use of the the
> word "deplorable" was key?
 
Russians? Podesta gave away his password like a child. The
mistakes made by the Clinton campaign aren't the Russians
fault.
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Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>: May 03 08:12PM -0500


> What websites have I supposedly complained about, doofus?
 
You forgot. Whitehouse.gov where you Carbon were too stupid to
understand how domain controllers work.
 
 
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"Welcome to Trumpton" <trumpton@maiIsorter.co.uk>: May 04 05:04AM

Dene wrote:
 
 
> > But why should the State effectively "give away" to private
> > industry the lower cost/risk clients for them to profit off of?
 
> A healthier risk pool will result in lower premiums for all.
 
...and greater profits for the insurers and other parasites who take
money out of the system that could be going towards healthcare.
 
How much money do insurers take out of the system each year?
 
Greg, this is your industry but you struggle to suggest anything which
comes close to being fair, efficient and socially acceptable... except
to a proportion of service users. Anyone can do that. That is why Trump
thought it would be "so easy". He has no concept of the greater good.
 
--
Most people believe there is truth and there are lies. "Alternative
facts" are lies.
"Welcome to Trumpton" <trumpton@maiIsorter.co.uk>: May 04 05:19AM

Dene wrote:
 
> > system is. And a lot of money is spent to ensure it stays that way.
 
> It works in Canada because you have a small population and you are
> used to pay horrific taxes.
 
...and there's the crux of the matter. You don't seem to have the moral
stature to dig a little deeper in your pocket for the greater good.
 
The right wing like to have their cake and eat it. They want to profit
off the poor and less able then complain that the they aren't pulling
their weight.
 
I am not a socialist but I am socially responsible. You cannot be
socially responsible and deny a proportion of society.
 
Moral corruption starts at the top with those that have a choice.
 
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Most people believe there is truth and there are lies. "Alternative
facts" are lies.
"Bigbird" <Bigbird.usenetNOSPAM@Gmail.com>: May 04 06:18AM

Is this the immoral games Trumpets are so proud of?
 
In summary
 
Trump Twitter, "I want to help our miners while the Democrats are
blocking their healthcare."
 
Exactly the opposite of what his team was happening in the bipartisan
talks where the Democrats were trying to secure protection for miners
healthcare and being blocked by the Republicans.
 
The explanation for the Republican block was that they wanted to use
the miners healthcare as a bargaining chip so they could get something
in return.
 
"And we were simply waiting for the opportunity to give it as part of a
bipartisan discussion so that we could get something in return."
 
Someone here is very vocal about the lack of democrat co-operation in
striking bipartisan deals. They should take a very close look at this
and question their inferences.
 
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/team-trump-grudgingly-tells-the-truth-about-miners-health-care
"Welcome to Trumpton" <trumpton@maiIsorter.co.uk>: May 04 08:34AM

Dene wrote:
 
> > do that. That is why Trump thought it would be "so easy". He has no
> > concept of the greater good.
 
> The Republican solution is sound.
 
In what sense? certainly not one of morality.
 
I know nothing of your health system except what I have picked up from
a few articles and reports. Are you saying articles like this are
complete bullshit?
 
http://tinyurl.com/mftbxpp
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: May 03 11:25PM -0700

On 2017-05-03 11:18 PM, Bigbird wrote:
> striking bipartisan deals. They should take a very close look at this
> and question their inferences.
 
> http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/team-trump-grudgingly-tells-the-truth-about-miners-health-care
 
I loved this:
 
'Whether the president was lying or ignorant was unclear...'
 
:-)
Dene <gdstrue@aol.com>: May 03 11:00PM -0700

Leftists are indeeed tolerant....except toward conservatives. I have experienced this over and over again.
 
http://observer.com/2017/04/dartmouths-college-survey-democratic-student-intolerance/
 
When asked how they felt about rooming with a student of opposing political views, 45 percent of students who identify as Democratic said they would be "uncomfortable" living with someone whose political opinions differed from their own. Thirty-nine percent said they would be comfortable. This was the only demographic where more people said they would be uncomfortable than comfortable living with a political opponent.
 
For Independents, 61 percent said they would be comfortable in such a situation, with only 16 percent saying they would be uncomfortable. Republicans were the most tolerant, with 69 percent saying they would be comfortable with a roommate whose views they opposed. Just 12 percent of Republican students said they would be uncomfortable.
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: May 03 11:24PM -0700

On 2017-05-03 11:00 PM, Dene wrote:
> Republicans were the most tolerant, with 69 percent saying they would
> be comfortable with a roommate whose views they opposed. Just 12
> percent of Republican students said they would be uncomfortable.
 
'President of Dartmouth College Democrats Charlie Blatt '18 said she was
not surprised that most Republicans reported they were comfortable with
having a Democratic roommate, given that a majority of students at the
College are Democrats.'
 
<http://www.thedartmouth.com/article/2017/04/a-survey-of-dartmouths-political-landscape>
 
Some of the other "observations" by the "Observer" were even less observant.
 
Like this:
 
'To get an idea of how strongly to the left these students fall, 69
percent of respondents said they "strongly disapprove" of the job
President Donald Trump is doing. No, they do not simply disapprove, or
even somewhat disapprove. This percentage of students "strongly
disapprove" of his performance.'
 
They simply assume that anyone who strongly disapproves of Trump must be
a leftist. Only.. ...the independents at Dartmouth were almost as
universal in there disapproval as the actual Democrats.
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: May 03 06:30PM -0700

On 2017-05-03 6:12 PM, Moderate wrote:
 
>> What websites have I supposedly complained about, doofus?
 
> You forgot. Whitehouse.gov where you Carbon were too stupid to
> understand how domain controllers work.
 
Quote it.
Carbon <nobrac@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>: May 03 10:54PM -0400

On 05/03/2017 06:34 AM, -hh wrote:
 
> <https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary.php?ind=H04++>
> <https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=F09>
> <https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=H03++>
 
Like my wife, my brother-in-law has dual US/Canadian citizenship. As a GP
he has practiced in both countries but has been in Canada for the past 15
years or so. He said at his US practice he and his ~8 partners had about
the same number of administration staff who dealt with all the paperwork,
fought with the insurance companies, etc. He's at a similar sized practice
in Canada, and he and his partners share one administration person who is
not full time. He described avoiding all the aggravation as a quality of
life issue, like having a five-minute commute vs an hour each way.
Carbon <nobrac@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>: May 03 11:04PM -0400

On 05/03/2017 06:50 PM, Dene wrote:
>> representative of other government sites.
 
> It's representative of what would happen if CMS were the ones who ran a
> single payor system.

Bullshit.
 
I lived in Canada for 35 years. There is way less hassle getting
healthcare there than here. For one thing, if everyone was on the same
plan there would be no need for CMS or any of that other crap. You get a
card, you see whatever doctor you want, and you never have to fight with
insurance companies.
 
Your average American has no clue how shitty and corrupt their system is.
And a lot of money is spent to ensure it stays that way.
Dene <gdstrue@aol.com>: May 03 08:15PM -0700

On 5/3/2017 8:04 PM, Carbon wrote:
> insurance companies.
 
> Your average American has no clue how shitty and corrupt their system is.
> And a lot of money is spent to ensure it stays that way.
 
It works in Canada because you have a small population and you are used
to pay horrific taxes.
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: May 03 08:20PM -0700

On 2017-05-03 8:15 PM, Dene wrote:
>> And a lot of money is spent to ensure it stays that way.
 
> It works in Canada because you have a small population and you are used
> to pay horrific taxes.
 
You are so full of it.
Carbon <nobrac@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>: May 03 11:30PM -0400

On 05/03/2017 11:15 PM, Dene wrote:
>> is. And a lot of money is spent to ensure it stays that way.
 
> It works in Canada because you have a small population and you are used
> to pay horrific taxes.

And you're hoping population size is meaningful in some way when
calculating per capita healthcare costs?
Carbon <nobrac@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>: May 03 11:39PM -0400

On 05/03/2017 09:30 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
 
>> You forgot. Whitehouse.gov where you Carbon were too stupid to
>> understand how domain controllers work.
 
> Quote it.

Fat chance.
Dene <gdstrue@aol.com>: May 03 10:07PM -0700

On 5/3/2017 10:04 PM, Welcome to Trumpton wrote:
 
> ...and greater profits for the insurers and other parasites who take
> money out of the system that could be going towards healthcare.
 
> How much money do insurers take out of the system each year
9% for admin. Rest goes to claims. This is mandated by ACA.
 
> comes close to being fair, efficient and socially acceptable... except
> to a proportion of service users. Anyone can do that. That is why Trump
> thought it would be "so easy". He has no concept of the greater good.
 
The Republican solution is sound.
Dene <gdstrue@aol.com>: May 03 10:09PM -0700

On 5/3/2017 8:30 PM, Carbon wrote:
>> to pay horrific taxes.
 
> And you're hoping population size is meaningful in some way when
> calculating per capita healthcare costs?
 
I'm saying that our Federal government cannot possibly manage the
healthcare of 330 million people.
 
Possibly on the state level, but you would have a smorgasbord of
efficiency and chaos.
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: May 03 10:20PM -0700

On 2017-05-03 10:07 PM, Dene wrote:
>> money out of the system that could be going towards healthcare.
 
>> How much money do insurers take out of the system each year
> 9% for admin. Rest goes to claims. This is mandated by ACA.
 
But won't be mandate under Trumpcare...
 
>> to a proportion of service users. Anyone can do that. That is why Trump
>> thought it would be "so easy". He has no concept of the greater good.
 
> The Republican solution is sound.
 
If it's so sound... ...why are they exempting themselves?
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: May 03 10:21PM -0700

On 2017-05-03 10:09 PM, Dene wrote:
> healthcare of 330 million people.
 
> Possibly on the state level, but you would have a smorgasbord of
> efficiency and chaos.
 
It seems to work alright for Canadian Provinces...
Carbon <nobrac@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>: May 03 11:05PM -0400

On 05/03/2017 03:30 PM, MNMikeW wrote:
 
>> I expect Obama's book won't be cut and pasted from other sources, like
>> GW Bush's was.
 
> It will be complete bullshit, just like his first book.

You didn't read his first book. And if you had tried you wouldn't have
understood it.
Carbon <nobrac@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>: May 03 11:13PM -0400

On 05/03/2017 01:29 PM, John B. wrote:
>> comparison.
 
> I expect Obama's book won't be cut and pasted from other sources, like
> GW Bush's was.

That's some lazy ghost-writing right there.
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: May 03 07:14PM -0700

...that every single person who harassed this family is a Trump supporter?
 
'He pauses for a moment: "I used to be able to change the channel when
stories about these kinds of people were on. I now don't have the luxury
to do that, and when I lost Noah, I woke up and realised that people who
spread these stories are more interested in propagating fear than
getting at the truth. And the human cost of that is phenomenal."'
 
<https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/02/sandy-hook-school-hoax-massacre-conspiracists-victim-father>
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: May 03 06:04PM -0700

On 2017-05-03 3:58 PM, Moderate wrote:
 
> In a truly bipartisan environment she would be in jail along with
> her cohorts. Hillary caused herself to lose.
 
> Thank God!
 
Comey, the director of the FBI and a Republican decided charges weren't
warranted and Obama's cabinet secretary had recused herself...
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: May 03 06:30PM -0700

On 2017-05-03 6:09 PM, Moderate wrote:
 
> Russians? Podesta gave away his password like a child. The
> mistakes made by the Clinton campaign aren't the Russians
> fault.
 
No, doofus.
 
That is NOT what they're investigating.
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