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Friday, November 30, 2018

Benard Atkins <batkins700@gmail.com>: Nov 30 07:15PM -0800

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25420168/kareem-hunt-kansas-city-chiefs-placed-commissioner-exempt-list
John Walsh <jwalsh589@gmail.com>: Nov 30 10:21AM -1000

On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 12:50:10 -0800 (PST), Benard Atkins
 
>http://www.knbr.com/2018/11/26/ian-rapoport-calls-reuben-foster-a-con-artist-its-always-what-hes-been/
 
>"It's obviously bad, it's all bad, and I think with Reuben Foster, he is for lack of a better term, a con artist," Rapoport said. "It's always what he's been. I think he has spent a lot of time in his life convincing people that he's good, he's got it, and he's under control. 'What you thought you saw happen was a mistake, he'll never do it again, and this is not the person he is.' And he has become so good at it that I think he fooled a lot of people.
 
They knew his history, but took him anyway. After the first domestic
violence arrest, they should have realized they had a big problem on
their hands, but again, they climbed on the "investigation" train and
let the victim's lies get him off.
Benard Atkins <batkins700@gmail.com>: Nov 30 07:14PM -0800

So, they drafted Foster in spite of his phony hustle?
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$Bill <UNews2Bill@RemovEgmail.com>: Nov 29 10:17PM -0800

Let's see if they can bring the energy for DAL.
 
Next games following:
PHO at LAL: Sun Dec 2 1230 Game 23
SAS at LAL: Wed Dec 5 1930 Game 24 (oBTB/Travel)
LAL at SAS: Fri Dec 7 1730 Game 25
$Bill <UNews2Bill@RemovEgmail.com>: Nov 29 10:15PM -0800

Lakers with a great start in Q1 kinda fold for the rest of the game, but
manage to hang on to enough of a lead to pull off the W. 5 guys in DFs with
LBJ 1 RB/3 ASTs short of a TD & Kuz 1 RB short of a DD. Lakers out-shot IND,
but their usual mistakes (18 TOs, 14 STLs by IND) & poor shooting from 3 and
FTs almost cost them the W. 104-96 Lakers win by 8 - let's hope they're up
for the BTB tomorrow.
 
Game Dbl-figures Leaders:
Player Pts FG% 3P% FT% RB AS BL ST TO PF EFF
James 38 (56 /29 /60 )/ 9/ 7/ 0/ 2/ 4/ 2/+36
Ingram 14 (40 /0 /40 )/ 1/ 3/ 3/ 1/ 1/ 2/ +9
Hart 13 (86 /50 /0 )/ 1/ 2/ 0/ 3/ 1/ 2/+16
Kuzma 11 (44 /20 /67 )/ 9/ 2/ 0/ 0/ 1/ 3/+15
Caldwell-P 11 (57 /60 /0 )/ 2/ 1/ 0/ 0/ 0/ 0/+11
 
Next games following:
DAL at LAL: Fri Nov 30 1930 Game 22 (BTB)
PHO at LAL: Sun Dec 2 1230 Game 23
SAS at LAL: Wed Dec 5 1930 Game 24 (oBTB/Travel)
 
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Quarterly Laker scoring leaders/notes (pluses OR/ST/BL; minuses TO/PF/oOR):
 
Q1 - Lakers come out smokin exc TOs/FTs - shooting 70% vs 20%; pluses 1/3/7;
minuses 4/7/3. James 14, Caldwell-Pope 8, Kuzma 5, Ingram 4. 38-15=+23Q.
 
Q2 - Lakers fold late on shooting/TOs and give 17 back - shooting 33% vs 48%;
pluses 3/3/0; minuses 6/7/4. Kuzma/Beasley/Hart 4. 18-35=-17Q.
 
HT - One great Q; one bad Q - shooting 51% vs 33%; pluses 4/6/7; minuses
10/14/7. James 17, Kuzma 9, Caldwell-Pope 8, Ingram 7, Hart 6. 56-50=+6H.
 
Q3 - Lakers gave it all up before geting 8 back - they better pick up the energy
in Q4 - shooting 46% vs 47%; pluses 5/1/2; minuses 5/5/1. James 9,
Hart/Ingram 5, McGee 4. 27-25=+2Q (83-75=+8).
 
Q4 - Lakers somehow manage to close it out with the W - shooting 47% vs 38%;
pluses 2/1/2; minuses 3/4/2. James 12. 21-21=+0Q.
 
 
Team scoring by Q (FG%/FG-AT includes 3P%/3P-AT):
Lakers Opponent Lakers Opponent
Q FG-AT 3P-AT FT-AT FG-AT 3P-AT FT-AT FG% 3P% FT% FG% 3P% FT% LAL OPP
1 16-23 3-5 3-6 5-25 0-2 5-7 69.6 60 50 20 0.0 71.4 38 15
2 8-24 0-6 2-3 10-21 6-10 9-12 33.3 0.0 66.7 47.6 60 75 18 35
H 24-47 3-11 5-9 15-46 6-12 14-19 51.1 27.3 55.6 32.6 50 73.7 56 50
3 10-22 2-8 5-7 9-19 3-5 4-4 45.5 25 71.4 47.4 60 100 27 25
A3 34-69 5-19 10-16 24-65 9-17 18-23 49.3 26.3 62.5 36.9 52.9 78.3 83 75
4 8-17 2-5 3-7 8-21 1-6 4-4 47.1 40 42.9 38.1 16.7 100 21 21
F 42-86 7-24 13-23 32-86 10-23 22-27 48.8 29.2 56.5 37.2 43.5 81.5 104 96
 
Team stats by Q (RB includes team RBs):
Lakers Opponent Diff
Q AS RB OR ST BL TO PF OR AS RB ST BL TO PF AS RB OR ST BL TO PF
1 11 15 1 3 7 4 7 3 4 10 3 1 6 6 +7 +5 -2 +6 -2 +1
2 5 10 3 3 0 6 7 4 8 16 5 0 4 3 -3 -6 -1 -2 +2 +4
H 16 25 4 6 7 10 14 7 12 26 8 1 10 9 +4 -1 -3 -2 +6 +5
3 6 14 5 1 2 5 5 1 6 8 4 0 4 6 +6 +4 -3 +2 +1 -1
A3 22 39 9 7 9 15 19 8 18 34 12 1 14 15 +4 +5 +1 -5 +8 +1 +4
4 3 11 2 1 2 3 4 2 5 10 2 3 3 7 -2 +1 -1 -1 -3
F 25 50 11 8 11 18 23 10 23 44 14 4 17 22 +2 +6 +1 -6 +7 +1 +1
 
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ESPN Box Score:
 
Team 1 2 3 4 Tot
Indiana Pacers 15 35 25 21 96
Los Angeles Lakers 38 18 27 21 104 - Final
 
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-A 3GM-A FTM-A OR TR AS TO ST BS PF PTS P36 +/- EFF
T. Young PF 33 5-13 0-1 1-2 3 5 1 2 5 0 2 11 10 -4 +11
B. Bogdanovic SF 38 4-11 2-5 4-5 1 3 2 2 0 0 3 14 11 -19 +9
M. Turner C 30 3-9 0-0 0-0 2 6 1 2 0 1 4 6 6 -12 +6
D. Collison PG 27 3-12 1-4 2-2 0 3 4 0 4 0 1 9 10 -12 +11
T. Evans SG 25 2-10 2-4 3-4 1 4 5 6 3 0 4 9 11 -8 +6
D. Sabonis PF 29 6-13 1-1 7-8 3 15 3 2 1 1 3 20 21 +3 +30
D. McDermott SF 18 3-5 2-3 2-2 0 2 0 0 0 1 3 10 17 +10 +11
A. Holiday PG 13 2-5 1-3 2-2 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 7 16 +5 +5
C. Joseph PG 27 4-8 1-2 1-2 0 6 6 2 0 1 2 10 11 -3 +16
T.J. Leaf PF DNP-COACH'S DECISION
I. Anigbogu C DNP-COACH'S DECISION
K. O'Quinn C DNP-COACH'S DECISION
E. Sumner PG DNP-COACH'S DECISION
Totals 32-86 10-23 22-27 10 44 23 17 14 4 22 96
Percent 37.2% 43.5% 81.5%
 
Fast Break Points: 20
Points in Paint: 58
Total Turnovers (Points Off Turnovers): 18 (13)
Flagrant Fouls: 1
Technical Fouls: 0
 
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-A 3GM-A FTM-A OR TR AS TO ST BS PF PTS P36 +/- EFF
K. Kuzma PF 33 4-9 1-5 2-3 0 9 2 1 0 0 3 11 10 +8 +15
L. James SF 38 15-27 2-7 6-10 1 9 7 4 2 0 2 38 30 +19 +36
B. Ingram SF 31 6-15 0-2 2-5 0 1 3 1 1 3 2 14 14 -12 +9
J. McGee C 22 3-6 0-0 0-0 4 8 3 4 0 4 2 6 8 -8 +14
L. Ball PG 34 1-6 0-3 0-0 4 8 4 4 0 2 4 2 2 +9 +7
M. Beasley SF 9 3-4 0-0 0-0 0 2 1 2 1 0 4 6 20 -9 +7
T. Chandler C 26 0-3 0-0 3-4 1 9 2 1 0 2 4 3 3 +18 +11
L. Stephenson SG 5 0-2 0-0 0-0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 +5 +0
K. Caldwell-Pope SG 18 4-7 3-5 0-0 0 2 1 0 0 0 0 11 18 +2 +11
J. Hart SG 25 6-7 1-2 0-1 1 1 2 1 3 0 2 13 16 +8 +16
I. Zubac C DNP-COACH'S DECISION
M. Wagner C DNP-COACH'S DECISION
S. Mykhailiuk SG DNP-COACH'S DECISION
Totals 42-86 7-24 13-23 11 50 25 18 8 11 23 104
Percent 48.8% 29.2% 56.5%
 
Fast Break Points: 20
Points in Paint: 58
Total Turnovers (Points Off Turnovers): 18 (13)
Flagrant Fouls: 1
Technical Fouls: 0
 
Game Information
STAPLES Center
Los Angeles, CA
Line: LAL -5.0
Over/Under: 220
Attendance: 18,997
100% Capacity: 19,060
Referees: Derek Richardson, Pat Fraher, Brent Barnaky
 
 
NBA Box Score:
 
Team 1 2 3 4 Total
Indiana Pacers 15 35 25 21 96
Los Angeles Lakers 38 18 27 21 104 - Final
 
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-A 3GM-A FTM-A OR TR AS TO ST BS PF PTS P36 +/- EFF
Bojan Bogdanovic SF 38:09 4-11 2-5 4-5 1 3 2 2 0 0 3 14 11 -19 +9
Thaddeus Young PF 32:38 5-13 0-1 1-2 3 5 1 2 5 0 2 11 10 -4 +11
Myles Turner C 29:58 3-9 0-0 0-0 2 6 1 2 0 1 4 6 6 -12 +6
Tyreke Evans SG 24:40 2-10 2-4 3-4 1 4 5 6 3 0 4 9 11 -8 +6
Darren Collison PG 26:39 3-12 1-4 2-2 0 3 4 0 4 0 1 9 10 -12 +11
Cory Joseph G 27:06 4-8 1-2 1-2 0 6 6 2 0 1 2 10 11 -3 +16
Domantas Sabonis F 29:07 6-13 1-1 7-8 3 15 3 2 1 1 3 20 21 +3 +30
Doug McDermott F 18:25 3-5 2-3 2-2 0 2 0 0 0 1 3 10 16 +10 +11
Aaron Holiday G 13:16 2-5 1-3 2-2 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 7 16 +5 +5
Ike Anigbogu C 0:00 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 +0 +0
TJ Leaf F 0:00 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 +0 +0
Kyle O'Quinn C 0:00 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 +0 +0
Edmond Sumner G 0:00 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 +0 +0
Totals 240:0 32-86 10-23 22-27 10 44 23 17 14 4 22 96
Percent 37.2% 43.5% 81.5%
 
Biggest Lead: 3
Fastbreak Points: 20
Longest Run: 13
Points In Paint: 38
Points Off Turnovers: 13
Second Chance Points: 13
 
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-A 3GM-A FTM-A OR TR AS TO ST BS PF PTS P36 +/- EFF
LeBron James SF 38:09 15-27 2-7 6-10 1 9 7 4 2 0 2 38 30 +19 +36
Kyle Kuzma PF 33:00 4-9 1-5 2-3 0 9 2 1 0 0 3 11 10 +8 +15
JaVale McGee C 22:07 3-6 0-0 0-0 4 8 3 4 0 4 2 6 8 -8 +14
Brandon Ingram SG 31:14 6-15 0-2 2-5 0 1 3 1 1 3 2 14 13 -12 +9
Lonzo Ball PG 33:40 1-6 0-3 0-0 4 8 4 4 0 2 4 2 2 +9 +7
Tyson Chandler C 25:30 0-3 0-0 3-4 1 9 2 1 0 2 4 3 4 +18 +11
Josh Hart G 25:05 6-7 1-2 0-1 1 1 2 1 3 0 2 13 16 +8 +16
Lance Stephenson G 4:34 0-2 0-0 0-0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 +5 +0
Kentavious Caldw G 17:47 4-7 3-5 0-0 0 2 1 0 0 0 0 11 19 +2 +11
Michael Beasley F 8:52 3-4 0-0 0-0 0 2 1 2 1 0 4 6 20 -9 +7
Svi Mykhailiuk G 0:00 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 +0 +0
Moritz Wagner C 0:00 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 +0 +0
Ivica Zubac C 0:00 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 +0 +0
Totals 240:0 42-86 7-24 13-23 11 50 25 18 8 11 23 104
Percent 48.8% 29.2% 56.5%
 
Biggest Lead: 24
Fastbreak Points: 20
Longest Run: 13
Points In Paint: 58
Points Off Turnovers: 20
Second Chance Points: 7
 
Times Tied: 0; Lead Changes: 0
Attendance: 18997; Duration: 2:19
Officials: Derek Richardson, Pat Fraher, Brent Barnaky
 
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NBC recap from http://scores.nbcsports.com/nba/recap.asp?g=2018112913
 
LeBron carries Lakers down stretch of 104-96 win over Pacers
By GREG BEACHAM AP Sports Writer
 
LOS ANGELES (AP) LeBron James scored 12 of his 38 points in the final
five minutes, and the Los Angeles Lakers rebounded from their first
back-to-back losses in a month with a 104-96 victory over the Indiana
Pacers on Thursday night.
 
Brandon Ingram scored 14 points and Josh Hart added 13 for the Lakers,
who blew an early 24-point lead before James carried them down the
stretch to their 10th win in 14 games.
 
Indiana trimmed Los Angeles' lead to 89-88 on Domantas Sabonis' jumper
with 4:59 left, but James had a 3-pointer and a three-point play on
consecutive possessions in a 10-0 Lakers run before adding a 22-foot
jumper with 2:21 to play.
 
Sabonis had 20 points and 15 rebounds as the Pacers lost for the first
time in three stops on their four-game West Coast trip.
 
Victor Oladipo sat out his sixth straight game for Indiana with a sore
right knee, but the Lakers still needed James to close it out.
 
James added nine rebounds and seven assists in his first game since
scoring a season-low 14 points in the Lakers' embarrassing loss at
Denver.
 
Bojan Bogdanovic had 14 points for the Pacers, and Thaddeus Young added
11.
 
The Lakers scored the game's first 13 points and jumped to a 23-point
lead in the first quarter, but led only 56-50 at halftime after
Sabonis' 14-point second quarter.
 
TIP-INS
 
Pacers: Oladipo scrimmaged in half-court work before the game, but
couldn't return. He could go through a full practice Friday. ...
Indiana fell short of its eighth road victory already this season. Only
Toronto and Utah have more.
 
Lakers: Lonzo Ball had two points and eight rebounds in 34 minutes
while playing through an ankle injury. Ball sprained his ankle in LA's
loss at Denver on Tuesday, but made good on his vow to play through it.
... Lance Stephenson played five scoreless minutes. He played in all 82
games last season for the Pacers in his second stint with the club,
averaging 9.2 points. ... Kentavious Caldwell-Pope hit three 3-pointers
and scored 11 points.
 
UP NEXT
 
Pacers: At Sacramento on Saturday night.
Lakers: Host Dallas on Friday night.
 
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Game flow URL: http://www.popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20181129&game=INDLAL
From http://espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=401070998
 
1st Quarter
0-0 12:00 Myles Turner vs. JaVale McGee (Thaddeus Young gains possession)
0-0 11:41 Darren Collison misses 18-foot step back jumpshot
0-0 11:37 Kyle Kuzma defensive rebound
0-2 11:26 Brandon Ingram makes dunk (LeBron James assists)
0-2 11:08 JaVale McGee blocks Myles Turner 's 3-foot driving layup
0-2 11:06 Kyle Kuzma defensive rebound
0-4 11:03 Kyle Kuzma makes two point shot
0-4 10:41 Tyreke Evans misses driving layup
0-4 10:39 Lonzo Ball defensive rebound
0-4 10:37 Myles Turner shooting foul
0-4 10:37 LeBron James misses free throw 1 of 2
0-4 10:37 Lakers offensive team rebound
0-4 10:37 LeBron James misses free throw 2 of 2
0-4 10:35 Bojan Bogdanovic defensive rebound
0-4 10:13 Thaddeus Young misses 2-foot hook shot
0-4 10:11 Brandon Ingram defensive rebound
0-6 9:57 LeBron James makes step back jumpshot
0-6 9:42 Kyle Kuzma personal foul
0-6 9:31 Darren Collison misses pullup jump shot
0-6 9:28 LeBron James defensive rebound
0-8 9:25 JaVale McGee makes 1-foot dunk (LeBron James assists)
0-8 9:20 Pacers Full timeout
0-8 9:09 Thaddeus Young out of bounds lost ball turnover
0-10 8:54 LeBron James makes driving layup (Brandon Ingram assists)
0-10 8:39 Myles Turner misses 18-foot jumper
0-10 8:36 Lonzo Ball defensive rebound
0-13 8:29 Kyle Kuzma makes three point jumper (JaVale McGee assists)
0-13 8:13 Bojan Bogdanovic misses two point shot
0-13 8:09 Lonzo Ball defensive rebound
0-13 8:06 LeBron James misses 25-foot three point jumper
0-13 8:02 Myles Turner defensive rebound
0-13 7:58 Lonzo Ball blocks Darren Collison's driving layup
0-13 7:58 Pacers offensive team rebound
0-13 7:51 Tyreke Evans misses 26-foot three point jumper
0-13 7:48 Kyle Kuzma defensive rebound
0-13 7:44 Kyle Kuzma lost ball turnover (Thaddeus Young steals)
0-13 7:40 JaVale McGee blocks Thaddeus Young's two point shot
0-13 7:37 Myles Turner offensive rebound
0-13 7:36 Brandon Ingram blocks Myles Turner's two point shot
0-13 7:34 JaVale McGee defensive rebound
0-13 7:31 JaVale McGee lost ball turnover (Tyreke Evans steals)
2-13 7:26 Thaddeus Young makes two point shot (Tyreke Evans assists)
2-13 7:13 Kyle Kuzma misses 26-foot three point jumper
2-13 7:08 Darren Collison defensive rebound
2-13 6:57 Thaddeus Young misses layup
2-13 6:51 Thaddeus Young offensive rebound
2-13 6:51 Thaddeus Young misses two point shot
2-13 6:51 JaVale McGee defensive rebound
2-13 6:47 Tyreke Evans personal foul
2-13 6:47 enters the game for JaVale McGee
2-15 6:39 LeBron James makes 4-foot two point shot (Lonzo Ball assists)
4-15 6:24 Bojan Bogdanovic makes 2-foot two point shot (Myles Turner assists)
4-15 6:24 Tyson Chandler shooting foul
5-15 6:24 Bojan Bogdanovic makes free throw 1 of 1
5-17 6:15 Brandon Ingram makes alley oop dunk shot (LeBron James assists)
5-17 5:58 Darren Collison misses 26-foot three point jumper
5-17 5:55 LeBron James defensive rebound
5-17 5:49 LeBron James lost ball turnover (Darren Collison steals)
5-17 5:45 Lonzo Ball blocks Darren Collison's two point shot
5-17 5:43 Tyreke Evans offensive rebound
5-17 5:42 Brandon Ingram blocks
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"the_andrew_smith@yahoo.com" <the_andrew_smith@yahoo.com>: Nov 30 08:18PM -0800

This gearing is going to need a lot of horsepower before the wheels turn.
michael anderson <mianderson79@gmail.com>: Nov 30 07:58PM -0800

On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 9:11:43 AM UTC-6, JGibson wrote:
 
> > I think any team that loses Saturday should be out. If 2 of Pitt, NW, and Texas win, and UCF wins then UCF should be in.
 
> > Taking a 2 loss team that didn't win it's conference above them would be deeply wrong.
 
> It might be wrong, but the committee just ranked undefeated UCF behind 2-loss Michigan this past week, so what would change?
 
ummm....they would be conference champions and have one more win over a top 35ish type team. While those two factors arent exactly Georgia beating Alabama level significant, they may be enough to jump *one freaking spot* over a team that didnt play.
 
A more likely reason,imo, the committee wouldnt have them jump Michigan is that they don't want them to close to the top 4....either way it doesnt matter. And they probably lose tomm anyways
michael anderson <mianderson79@gmail.com>: Nov 30 07:52PM -0800

On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 10:14:18 AM UTC-6, Marty McMahone wrote:
> Now that we've established a playoff, there needs to be some effort to get it right. The current setup isn't it.
 
huh? who says? It seems to be working well....
 
 
 
 
> 1) Go back to the OJUS -- frankly that was better than what we have now
 
this would be an extreme minority viewpoint. Virtually nobody believes that is better than we have now, and it is not an option and will never be an option.
 
 
> Establish a 12 team playoff, with all conference champs automatically invited
> Establish principles on which the four at large teams will be invited -- with one clear priority--quality of OOC competition
> Obviously the top four seeds get a first round bye -- only conference champs can get that
 
these are all stupid...
 
 
 
 
> That's the perfect system. Thus, it's obvious, it'll never happen.
 
no, it's stupid......what we have now is fine. Having one semifinal round before the title game is doable most years from a trvel/fill stadium standpoint. Doing more is not. Nor is there a need. Have we had a season yet where a team got left out that anyone cried over? No....
Ken Olson <kolson@freedomnet.org.spam>: Nov 30 09:06PM -0500


> I think you will end up with the two-tier, but, at some point, you're going to have to break up conferences to do promotion/relegation.
 
> I would like to see schools like Rutgers just plain thrown out of D1 in just about everything. WTF are they doing in a P5 conference?
 
> Mike
 
Expanding the B1G's market base.
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PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Nov 30 04:01PM -0800

> How is it grossly inaccurate if the recent DNA researches actually
prove it?
 
Are you normal? Drunk?
 
 
 
Besides, you mentioned DNA not me.
 
My post would be correct even without any mention of DNA.
 
Even if we had no DNA to rely on, Egyptians speak Arabic so
they're Arabs.
 
Their country is officially named Arab Republic of Egypt.
 
So what is wrong with you?
 
 
How can you nitpick ?
 
 
What matters, do you approve the high five?
 
You are from Croatia, correct?
sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com>: Nov 30 04:13PM -0800

On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 2:14:45 PM UTC-8, *skriptis wrote:
> is our ally".
 
> lol
 
> --
 
An interesting digression here, if I may...
 
It's really fun to watch international policy play out. It's why I like some of Le Carré's novels. It is pragmatism, and utility, and amorality all rolled into one reeking bundle.
 
E.g., Saudi Arabia is our counterbalance in the Muslim world to Iran. They also have oil, but now since fracking, so does the US, so while the reserves are still of great value, relative to 30 years ago, not so much.
 
Now in case either Saudi Arabia or Iran get too uppity, we have Israel as our personal pit bull that we can conveniently unchain--or better still, *threaten* to unchain, because really, you cannot make the Israelis do anything they don't already want to do.
 
Neat, huh?
 
Now chew on this:
 
Our relationship with Israel is mirrored by China's relationship with N Korea; the Chinese can get all the benefits of dire threats of war, without ever having to make those threats, themselves, because they can always use N Korea as a cat's paw--and NUCLEAR WEAPONS, TOO!!!--without getting their own hands, complete with Fu Manchu manicure, dirty. After all, if we wanted to deal with N. Korea, we have to go thru China.
 
Until recently...
 
Whether Trump intended this or not, we now can deal directly with Kim, cutting the Chinese out, if we want. And now the weapons that mostly concerned us, and we relied on China to save us from their irresponsible use, are now an equal concern to China, because if N Korea cozies up to the US, guess who just lost out?
 
As Kyle McLaughlin said to Laura Dern, after spending a night carousing with Frank (Dennis Hopper) in "Blue Velvet"...
 
"It's a strange world, Sandy...".
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com>: Dec 01 12:16AM

On Sat, 01 Dec 2018 00:54:16 +0100, *skriptis wrote:
 
 
> How is it grossly inaccurate if the recent DNA researches actually
> prove it?
 
Hell, you can even find it on Wikipedia, but there are articles all over
the web about it. Your "proof" isn't even proof at all, but something
which contradicts what you said in the first place upon which you made
opposite assumptions that were only reasonable to you. Post one
reputable article which states that Egyptian genetic makeup is primarily
Arabian.
 
 
> Are you normal? Drunk?
 
> Besides, you mentioned DNA not me.
 
Oh? Let's take a look at the second paragraph of your first reply to
this thread... and I quote:
 
By yours I mean exclusively yours, personally. You share the DNA
with that MbS guy, not me, not Putin, not Trump.
 
See the word DNA in there?
 
*supremacist, I think it's time to put down the vodka.
 
 
> Even if we had no DNA to rely on, Egyptians speak Arabic so
> they're Arabs.
 
> Their country is officially named Arab Republic of Egypt.
 
Painting with a broad brush again are we?
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Dec 01 01:29AM +0100


> What matters, do you approve the high five?
 
> You are from Croatia, correct?
 
 
 
I am trying to help you.
This is fake news brainwashing you.
You've probably seen that on CNN, right?
 
 
G20 is a summit where 20 world leaders gathered. They all talked
to each other, took photos, shook hands, ate, drank, maybe went
to prostitutes afterwards. (Max says they always
do).
 
There was MbS from Saudi Arabia, there was Trump, there was Putin
and 17 other world leaders.
 
Pardon, 16, Merkel was late, her plane broke down, she had to use
regular flight. German supreme technology.
 
 
Anyway, 18, later 19 of those leaders, they all welcomed that Arab
guy who probably killed his opponent.
 
So why is Putin singled out?
 
Well, because of anti-Russian hysteria and Russophobia in western
media.
 
 
I can't know for sure, but my guess Putin was deliberately cordial
to that guy in order to expose the hypocrisy of the western media
from countries that are allies of Saudi Arabia.
 
Their leaders are "protesting" the murder in the consulate by not
smiling while talking to MbS, who is their ally?
 
Really?
 
 
Well, if that guy is the legitimate member of the G20, invited,
welcomed, and respected there, why wouldn't you smile when you
shake hands with him?
 
 
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PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Nov 30 07:39PM -0500

> this thread... and I quote:
 
> By yours I mean exclusively yours, personally. You share the DNA
> with that MbS guy, not me, not Putin, not Trump.
 
 
This is where his dna matches
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/serbs-croats-have-most-sim
ilar-dna
 
 
 
 
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sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com>: Nov 30 04:39PM -0800

On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 4:29:28 PM UTC-8, *skriptis wrote:
 
> Well, if that guy is the legitimate member of the G20, invited,
> welcomed, and respected there, why wouldn't you smile when you
> shake hands with him?
 
I wonder if the propensity in the west to condemn without definitive proof is somehow connected to the same set of moral sensibilities that drives the #metoo phenomenon.
 
...and the Salem Witch Trials, and the MacMartin case...
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com>: Dec 01 12:42AM

On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 16:39:18 -0800, sawfish wrote:
 
> I wonder if the propensity in the west to condemn without definitive
> proof
 
That particularly human characteristic doesn't seem limited to people of
"the west".
sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com>: Nov 30 04:46PM -0800

On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 4:42:14 PM UTC-8, jdeluise wrote:
> > proof
 
> That particularly human characteristic doesn't seem limited to people of
> "the west".
 
In a sense you are right: it's a part of human nature to assume the worst. It's very noticeable in the west because there's a historical tradition of due process that is not present in many other cultures.
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Nov 30 04:46PM -0800

> I wonder if the propensity in the west to condemn without definitive proof is somehow connected to the same set of moral sensibilities that drives the #metoo phenomenon.
 
Proof for what exactly? They admitted they killed him, is this how low we can get to argue politics?
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Dec 01 01:57AM +0100


> As Kyle McLaughlin said to Laura Dern, after spending a night carousing with Frank (Dennis Hopper) in "Blue Velvet"...
 
> "It's a strange world, Sandy...".
 
Yes, North Korea was basically a Chinese gun directed at U.S. and
Trump just went there and took it, or at least is attempting to
do so.
 
It looks like a brilliant move in a sad state of modern world, but
in reality, it's noting special. It's a street smarts.

 
Those before him never tried to talk to north Korea. Obama e.g.
refused to talk to Kim etc.
 
And then U.S. stages massive invasion drills on Korean peninsula
every year for 50 years.
 
And they wonder why Kim and his father developed nukes and were
guarded by the Chineese.
 
 
 
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sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com>: Nov 30 05:00PM -0800

On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 4:57:07 PM UTC-8, *skriptis wrote:
> do so.
 
> It looks like a brilliant move in a sad state of modern world, but
> in reality, it's noting special. It's a street smarts.
 
I agree with this. If it's valid, and I think at this point it is, it speaks to the lack of imagination of multiple US administrations.
 
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Dec 01 02:00AM +0100

> > I wonder if the propensity in the west to condemn without definitive proof is somehow connected to the same set of moral sensibilities that drives the #metoo phenomenon.
 
> Proof for what exactly? They admitted they killed him, is this how low we can get to argue politics?
 
They said he's dead, that's only thing they admitted.
 
They claimed "interrogation went wrong", so they're denying any
intent, plan, and they certainly haven't admitted their leader
ordered it.
 
 
--
sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com>: Nov 30 05:04PM -0800

On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 5:00:56 PM UTC-8, *skriptis wrote:
> intent, plan, and they certainly haven't admitted their leader
> ordered it.
 
> --
 
The incident is trivial in the world of real politik. Maybe not to Khashogi, but to everyone else.
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com>: Dec 01 01:30AM

On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 16:46:13 -0800, sawfish wrote:
 
 
> In a sense you are right: it's a part of human nature to assume the
> worst. It's very noticeable in the west because there's a historical
> tradition of due process that is not present in many other cultures.
 
Well, it is used as a general guideline in the west, sure... In
actuality I think "even in the west" human nature shines through more
often than not. Things tend to be a bit more out in the open, though,
making it easier to expose hypocrisy... however those days are quickly
receding.
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Nov 30 05:35PM -0800

> They said he's dead, that's only thing they admitted.
 
They claimed "interrogation went wrong", so they're denying any
intent, plan, and they certainly haven't admitted their leader
ordered it.
 
 
You are defending murderers? Interrogations for a civilian in an embassy that leads to death? Where is the body? No intent? But they planned the interrogation based on his appointment to get paper to get married?
Seriously?
Retardation to the highest level.
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com>: Dec 01 01:40AM

On Sat, 01 Dec 2018 02:00:58 +0100, *skriptis wrote:
 
 
> They claimed "interrogation went wrong", so they're denying any
> intent, plan, and they certainly haven't admitted their leader ordered
> it.
 
That's a bald-faced lie besides the last clause.
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com>: Dec 01 01:41AM

On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 17:00:31 -0800, sawfish wrote:
 
> I agree with this. If it's valid, and I think at this point it is, it
> speaks to the lack of imagination of multiple US administrations.
 
And it accomplished "".
sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com>: Nov 30 05:43PM -0800

On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 5:30:51 PM UTC-8, jdeluise wrote:
> often than not. Things tend to be a bit more out in the open, though,
> making it easier to expose hypocrisy... however those days are quickly
> receding.
 
It does look that way, doesn't it?
 
In some sense, democratic institutions are very fragile in a lot of ways. I wonder how long they'll survive as a major social movement? I'm thinking that the ***appearance*** will last a long time, but the actual mechanisms of government may move toward less popular influence.
 
I mean, that's what the electoral college is all about, in my opinion.
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Dec 01 02:50AM +0100


> You are defending murderers? Interrogations for a civilian in an embassy that leads to death? Where is the body? No intent? But they planned the interrogation based on his appointment to get paper to get married?
> Seriously?
> Retardation to the highest level.
 
They said interrogation went wrong and he died as a result.
 
We know he died 99.999%, and 99.99% they planned it in advance,
and 99.9% MbS is behind it...
 
But they didn't admit to have deliberately killed him, and no one
proved MbS ordered it.
 
So what should Putin do when he meets leader of a very important
country, which Saudi Arabia is, at the international
summit?
 
Not talk to him so that Wolf Blitzer or Cooper Anderson could be happy?
 
 
 
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PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Nov 30 06:22PM -0800

> They said interrogation went wrong and he died as a result.
 
How can interrogation go wrong? Can you explain?
 
Also is there such thing called interrogation in an embassy in another country?
 
>We know he died 99.999%, and 99.99% they planned it in advance, and 99.9% MbS is behind it...
 
> But they didn't admit to have deliberately killed him, and no one proved MbS ordered it.
 
Where is the body? It wasn't deliberate but it was a planned torture knowing when he will show up in the embassy? A full team of murderers were sent to execute it but it wasn't deliberate, correct? Who gave orders to this team? You probably need to read a little about what is happening in SA.
 
> So what should Putin do when he meets leader of a very important country, which Saudi Arabia is, at the international summit?
 
He needs to give high five with both hands.
 
> Not talk to him so that Wolf Blitzer or Cooper Anderson could be happy?
 
Not sure what you mean.
This is a civilian that went to his own embassy to stamp or get papers to get married. He gets terminated, cut into pieces, shredded, and the body disappears.
If world leaders are okay with this, then this isn't a civilized world or civilized time.
kaennorsing <ljubitsis@hotmail.com>: Nov 30 05:06PM -0800

Op vrijdag 30 november 2018 19:54:13 UTC+1 schreef AZ:
 
> You know what is really unique? What's really unique in tennis history is Fed winning two back to back 3 slam years (with FO finals against the clay GOAT) or Fed winning 8 out of 10 slams from 2004 Wim to 2008 USO. That's sustained dominance.
 
> What's really jaw-droppingly GOATlike is Fed's amazing longevity and never-say-die attitude to be still able to turn it around and school Rafa even at the twilight of Fed's career. It's like watching Sampras come back to tour in 2006 and humiliate peak Hewitt for that 2001 USO loss. Except that Pete didn't. But Fed did it against Rafa in AO 2017. It's unbelievable.
 
> Look, I didn't want to burst your bubble like this, but sometimes, in fact often times, you need outside help to really appreciate what needs to be appreciated. You Fedhaters are a real weird bunch.
 
Had Federer adopted a bigger frame in his teens neo-backhand would have been the norm and Fed would now have about 25-28 slams with one or two calender slams... Rafa and Djoker would never have entered GOAT discussions.
 
Imo of course.
heyguys00@gmail.com: Nov 30 04:25PM -0800

> This men's era has shown that men's slam wins and women's slam wins really are 1:1 comparable in terms of measuring overall career accomplishments (meaning 14 slams for a man isn't about equal to 20 slams for a woman). If the big three had been the big two (a la Chrissie and Martina) those two men players would've probably hit Graf/Serena/Court numbers.
 
Only a woman
or a feminist would post this.
 
 
Of course the numbers are similar and comparable because the slams
are the same. You have 4 slams per year both for women and for
men, requiring 7 wins for a title etc.
———-
 
Good that you agree. There was a time people basically equated Pete's 14 to Graf's 22.
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Dec 01 01:35AM +0100

> men, requiring 7 wins for a title etc.
> ———-
 
> Good that you agree. There was a time people basically equated Pete's 14 to Graf's 22.
 
 
Well, the opportunities give chances, but it's not linear.
 
E.g. there are 4 slams vs 9 masters series.
 
So you'd expect, if you win 20 slams, you could win 45 masters
series? And Federer has won 27 or 28?
 
 
Likewise, ou still need to win 21 set in men's game vs 14 in
women's game to win one slam.
 
It doesn't necessarily mean it's easier, but it's different.
 
 
But important thing, people claimed Sampras > Graf because of
level of competition. The pool of men's player is bigger.

 
I bet they claim now that as well, any of the big 3 > Serena, who
has had no rival.
 
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sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com>: Nov 30 04:35PM -0800

On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 10:47:47 AM UTC-8, Calimero wrote:
> > But Max thinks Presidents are responsible for stock market being up or down...not me!
 
> Presidents are responsible for the government's economic policies.
> Good policies lead to better wages and better profits. Better profits lead to rising stocks.
 
The thing is, you often cannot tell a good policy until after the fact. Really, really poor ones are a lot easier to spot, confirming the old rule: "It's relatively easy to see what's fucked up on an existing situation, but very, very hard to create a coherent and successful policy from scratch."
 
I think those were Benjamin Franklin's very words.
 
> You are a Marxist IT expert and I'm a banking lawyer.
 
I'd think that would be a lot of fun--very interesting. No shit.
 
I would not dare to explain a computer to you ...
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Nov 30 09:41PM +0100


>> Imagine if Trump banned all men from some countries?
 
> Trump should ban all men from those countries who fight the US military within the USA, yes.
 
 
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robert stickler <rjs2084@aol.com>: Nov 30 11:29AM -0800

Damn!
]v[etaphoid <met@phoid.com>: Dec 01 10:06AM +1100

After serious thinking % wrote :
> On 2018-11-30 10:02 a.m., robert stickler wrote:
>> Over 400 pounds
 
> chad weighs more than his phone number
 
Not actually true, anymore.
 
In one of his recent bouts of downsizing, Chadwick disconnected his SLC
residential phone number to save a few pennies. Heavens knows that all
that Pabst Blue Ribbon, twinkies and rescue cats aren't going to pay
for themselves...
]v[etaphoid <met@phoid.com>: Dec 01 10:04AM +1100

??? ?? submitted this idea :
 
> I just watched Joyner Lucas' "I'm Not Racist" and the ending made me cringe
> so hard I nearly inverted. I'm not sure what to think about Americans
> anymore.
 
Probably the same thing most of the watching world things about The
Toddler, "me" and yourself, Chadwick...
"利根川 幸雄" <tonegawa@teiai.co.jp>: Nov 30 08:18PM

If this is the sacrifice necessary to return our beloved DEP to RSP-W, then
so be it.
]v[etaphoid <met@phoid.com>: Dec 01 10:03AM +1100

??? ?? expressed precisely :
> If this is the sacrifice necessary to return our beloved DEP to RSP-W, then
> so be it.
 
Don't tell me that you don't like David either?
 
He sure used to get Chadwick pretty riled up...
]v[etaphoid <met@phoid.com>: Dec 01 10:02AM +1100

on 1/12/2018, ??? ?? supposed :
> Build that wall
 
What about us Canadiens? Can we post too, Chad?
 
I considered posting anonymously from aioe.org like yourself to hide my
nationality from bigots, but it turns out that even anonymous
news-servers have unique identifiers in the header that allow you to
see if multiple identities are using the server, even if it doesn't
disclose who that original identity may be.
 
Keep it between us, though, my new Japanese friend - I don't want
Chadwick to find out how we all instantly spot his growing
international sock army...
]v[etaphoid <met@phoid.com>: Dec 01 09:57AM +1100

??? ?? brought next idea :
> US America not the shitty Americas, ofc.
 
Careful you don't snooker yourself, Chadwick...
"利根川 幸雄" <tonegawa@teiai.co.jp>: Nov 30 06:25PM

> NNTP-Posting-Host: NLZyqutbzG+owUT2eS6i6g.user.gioia.aioe.org
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> X-Complaints-To: ab...@aioe.org
 
While I am a sock puppet in that Tonegawa is not my given name and I am not
employed by Teiai, I am not in fact a sock puppet of Chad Bryant nor have I
ever claimed to be. I am sort of a fan of Chad Bryant, though.
% <persent@gmail.com>: Nov 30 11:32AM -0700

> NNTP-Posting-Host: NLZyqutbzG+owUT2eS6i6g.user.gioia.aioe.org
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> X-Complaints-To: ab...@aioe.org
 
and then robert kicked your ass
The Chad <thechad@mailinator.com>: Nov 30 07:12PM

>> > And as one of only two living heirs, Chadwick says he
>> > inherited a painting and some second hand furniture.
 
Actually, I never said anything about artwork, and only mentioned the
antique furniture for the purposes of rubbing it in the noses of most
of the trash here, who have never decorated their living spaces with
anything besides cheap pressed fibreboard shit purchased at Walmart.
 
I'm not disclosing anything further regarding my inheritance, except
to say that it's far more substantial than anything the trash here
could even possibly comprehend.
 
Just don't think Aussie Janis, Scunt Oaf & his amaziing array of
socks, Dink, or anyone else has even a remotely accurate clue of how
much better I am than you.
robert stickler <rjs2084@aol.com>: Nov 30 11:30AM -0800

Lol chad is on welfare
The Chad <thechad@mailinator.com>: Nov 30 07:34PM


> I grew up on welfare
 
That's to be expected whe your mom is a lot lizard at the local
Flying J, and she doesn't actually know who fathered you or Shane.
% <persent@gmail.com>: Nov 30 12:46PM -0700

On 2018-11-30 12:30 p.m., robert stickler wrote:
> Lol chad is on welfare
 
chad is on my knob
"Scott Oaf - (I'm really Chudnozzle)" <CowardlyFatFuck@nospam.com>: Nov 30 08:08PM

The Capon of Cowardice AKA Chadweasel <thechad@mailinator.com> wrote in
 
> Just don't think Aussie Janis, Scunt Oaf & his amaziing array of
> socks, Dink, or anyone else has even a remotely accurate clue of how
> much better I am than you.
 
Which sockpuppets are mine, Weaselboy? Thanks for acknowleging you still do
read and retreat from my posts, your fakefile is a mark of your
nadlessness.
 
PS: How is that pay stub coming along, delusional liar?
]v[etaphoid <met@phoid.com>: Dec 01 09:18AM +1100

??? ?? used his keyboard to write :
> to insult a fine contributor to RSP-W like a despicable sniper. I wanted to
> think better of you, but it's no longer possible to consider you a friend,
> I think.
 
Good points, Chad.
 
While you admire your painting, I'll have a long, hard look at
myself...
]v[etaphoid <met@phoid.com>: Dec 01 09:42AM +1100

The Chad was thinking very hard :
> antique furniture for the purposes of rubbing it in the noses of most
> of the trash here, who have never decorated their living spaces with
> anything besides cheap pressed fibreboard shit purchased at Walmart.
 
So you thought second hand furniture for which you don't even own a
home to put it in would rub our noses in it? Thanks for disappearing
from this thread from now on, Spinkicker...
 
> I'm not disclosing anything further regarding my inheritance, except
> to say that it's far more substantial than anything the trash here
> could even possibly comprehend.
 
"But we look ever so forward to you elaborating on your declared haul
of furniture and a painting with expanding tales of the largess of your
own family - who clearly think you are a cunt, too"
 
Thanks for not disappointing us, Chadwick!
]v[etaphoid <met@phoid.com>: Dec 01 09:56AM +1100

The Chad explained on 1/12/2018 :
 
>> I grew up on welfare
 
> That's to be expected whe your mom is a lot lizard at the local
> Flying J, and she doesn't actually know who fathered you or Shane.
 
How's the *new* lounge, Chadwick?
 
I'll bet your only other living relative on your mother's side is
filthy that you got all the old furniture whilst they only got cash,
cars and property. Assuming your dead relatives owned any of the
above...
% <persent@gmail.com>: Nov 30 11:32AM -0700

> <ptprdv$49e$1@dont-email.me>
> <ptr0q0$4r2$1@dont-email.me>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: NLZyqutbzG+owUT2eS6i6g.user.gioia.aioe.org
 
and then robert kicked your ass
% <persent@gmail.com>: Nov 30 11:32AM -0700

> <ptprdv$49e$1@dont-email.me>
> <ptr0q0$4r2$1@dont-email.me>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: NLZyqutbzG+owUT2eS6i6g.user.gioia.aioe.org
 
and then robert kicked your ass
"利根川 幸雄" <tonegawa@teiai.co.jp>: Nov 30 08:54PM


> Also, nobody puts Victorian era furniture in a bar, but you've
> never actually been in a bar (you can't reach it anyway, and they
> don't have booster seats like they do at Cracker Barrel).
 
Bodied.
]v[etaphoid <met@phoid.com>: Dec 01 09:49AM +1100

??? ?? was thinking very hard :
>> did they just like you much, much less than their only other living
>> heir?
 
> I can't speak for The Chad,
 
And yet you do in every post you make! I give it less than three days
until you either disappear forever, or start calling everyone drug
addcts with whore mothers who aren't as awesome as Chadwick!
 
> but cars often have payments due and the
> insurance industry isn't in the business of paying people.
 
It's that kind of poor man logic that betrays the hand up your ass!
Assets and income attract costs and tax. The only things where you
don't have to worry about paying duties and capital gains, is stuff
which is worthless, like second hand furniture...
]v[etaphoid <met@phoid.com>: Dec 01 09:52AM +1100

??? ?? pretended :
>> No property
 
> Also, man have you actually ever inherited a property? It's akin to someone
> dumping a pile of shit on your lawn.
 
ROFL!
 
Yeah, now that you mention it, inheriting hundreds of thousands of
dollars in property and assets in nowhere near as awesome as being left
some flea-ridden old-man furniture...
 
I wonder how Chadwick's only other living relative on his mother's side
felt about getting stuck with all of the property, assets and cash
whilst Chadwick scooped the pool with his brand new second-hand lounge?
]v[etaphoid <met@phoid.com>: Dec 01 09:54AM +1100

??? ?? wrote :
>> never actually been in a bar (you can't reach it anyway, and they
>> don't have booster seats like they do at Cracker Barrel).
 
> Bodied.
 
Bodied?
 
Is that a Japanese or a Utardh expression?
"利根川 幸雄" <tonegawa@teiai.co.jp>: Nov 30 08:33PM

Just letting you rspw guys know in the 10 hours left before David E. Powell
must return or I will be gone forever.
robert stickler <rjs2084@aol.com>: Nov 30 11:29AM -0800

Lol!
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