Digest for alt.sports.basketball.nba.la-lakers@googlegroups.com - 1 update in 1 topic

Thursday, November 30, 2017

$Bill <news@todbe.com>: Nov 29 10:24PM -0800

Lakers coulda had this one in reg, but OT went badly for them. Only 5 guys in
DFs with Ball getting the DD and JC close with 6 RB and 8 ASTs. Hard played
game and it came down to ORBs, 3 pt makes & FTs for the 4 pt diff.
123-127 Lakers lose by 4.
 
Game Dbl-figures Leaders:
Player Pts FG% 3P% FT% RB AS BL ST TO PF EFF
Ingram 32 (57 /100/86 )/ 5/ 3/ 2/ 3/ 7/ 5/+28
Caldwell-P 21 (39 /25 /83 )/ 7/ 0/ 0/ 1/ 2/ 3/+15
Clarkson 21 (47 /50 /100)/ 6/ 8/ 0/ 0/ 1/ 3/+24
Randle 20 (69 /0 /50 )/ 4/ 2/ 1/ 0/ 1/ 4/+20
Ball 15 (42 /43 /100)/ 2/10/ 0/ 1/ 2/ 2/+19 DD
 
Next games following:
LAL at DEN: Sat Dec 2 1800 Game 22
HOU at LAL: Sun Dec 3 1830 Game 23 (BTB/Travel)
LAL at PHI: Thu Dec 7 1700 Game 24
 
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Quarterly Laker scoring leaders/notes (pluses OR/ST/BL; minuses TO/PF/oOR):
 
Q1 - Not much O or D in Q1 - shooting 39% vs 62%; pluses 2/5/0; minuses 6/3/1
TOs up at 6 again. Ingram 9, Randle 6. 20-30=-10Q.
 
Q2 - Lakers close with an 18-4 run to take a +4 lead - shooting 75% vs 33%;
pluses 1/0/2; minuses 4/5/3. Caldwell-Pope 7, Clarkson/Randle 6,
Ingram 5, Hart/Ball 4. 34-20=+14Q.
 
HT - Lakers made up for Q1 in Q2 - shooting 54% vs 46%; pluses 3/5/2; minuses
10/8/4. Ingram 14, Randle 12, Clarkson 8, Caldwell-Pope 7. 54-50=+4H.
 
Q3 - Lakers give the 4 back and it's a 1 Q game now - shooting 50% vs 57%;
pluses 3/4/2; minuses 4/4/5. Ball 11, Ingram 8, Randle 4.
30-34=+4Q (84-84=+0).
 
Q4 - Lakers had a good chance to win in reg, but blew it - on to OT - shooting
47% vs 51%; pluses 4/6/3; minuses 7/10/6. Ingram/Caldwell-Pope 12,
Ball 11, Randle 8, Clarkson 7.
 
OT - Lakers got lax in OT getting down 2 3s quick and couldn't recover even
though they had a chance late - shooting 46% vs 71%; pluses 0/1/0; minuses
0/5/2. Ingram/Clarkson 6. 14-18=-4O.
 
Team scoring by Q (FG%/FG-AT includes 3P%/3P-AT):
Lakers Opponent Lakers Opponent
Q FG-AT 3P-AT FT-AT FG-AT 3P-AT FT-AT FG% 3P% FT% FG% 3P% FT% LAL OPP
1 9-23 1-5 1-2 13-21 2-6 2-2 39.1 20 50 61.9 33.3 100 20 30
2 12-16 2-3 8-8 9-27 1-5 1-4 75 66.7 100 33.3 20 25 34 20
H 21-39 3-8 9-10 22-48 3-11 3-6 53.8 37.5 90 45.8 27.3 50 54 50
3 12-24 3-7 3-4 13-23 5-12 3-3 50 42.9 75 56.5 41.7 100 30 34
A3 33-63 6-15 12-14 35-71 8-23 6-9 52.4 40 85.7 49.3 34.8 66.7 84 84
4 21-45 5-12 8-11 20-39 7-16 12-14 46.7 41.7 72.7 51.3 43.8 85.7 55 59
R 42-84 8-20 17-21 42-87 10-27 15-20 50 40 81 48.3 37 75 109 109
O1 5-11 1-4 3-4 5-7 2-3 6-8 45.5 25 75 71.4 66.7 75 14 18
F 47-95 9-24 20-25 47-94 12-30 21-28 49.5 37.5 80 50 40 75 123 127
 
Team stats by Q (RB includes team RBs):
Lakers Opponent Diff
Q OR RB AS TO ST BL PF OR RB AS TO ST BL PF OR RB AS TO ST BL PF
1 2 8 5 6 5 0 3 1 12 10 7 3 2 2 +1 -4 -5 -1 +2 -2 +1
2 1 10 10 4 0 2 5 3 7 4 2 2 0 5 -2 +3 +6 +2 -2 +2
H 3 18 15 10 5 2 8 4 19 14 9 5 2 7 -1 -1 +1 +1 +1
3 3 5 8 4 4 2 4 5 12 8 7 2 0 2 -2 -7 -3 +2 +2 +2
A3 6 23 23 14 9 4 12 9 31 22 16 7 2 9 -3 -8 +1 -2 +2 +2 +3
4 4 14 14 7 6 3 10 6 22 13 12 5 1 9 -2 -8 +1 -5 +1 +2 +1
R 7 32 29 17 11 5 18 10 41 27 21 10 3 16 -3 -9 +2 -4 +1 +2 +2
O1 0 2 1 0 1 0 5 2 8 3 1 0 1 3 -2 -6 -2 -1 +1 -1 +2
F 7 34 30 17 12 5 23 12 49 30 22 10 4 19 -5 -15 -5 +2 +1 +4
 
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ESPN Box Score:
 
Team 1 2 3 4 OT1 Tot
Golden State Warriors 30 20 34 25 18 127
Los Angeles Lakers 20 34 30 25 14 123 - Final
 
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-A 3GM-A FTM-A OR TR AS TO ST BS PF PTS P36 +/- EFF
D. Green PF 38 5-10 1-3 4-6 4 11 9 4 4 0 2 15 12 -2 +28
K. Durant SF 42 12-25 3-7 2-4 0 7 5 6 1 1 4 29 21 +8 +22
Z. Pachulia C 14 5-5 0-0 1-1 2 6 2 1 1 0 2 11 24 +11 +19
S. Curry PG 39 9-20 3-9 7-8 0 5 7 5 0 0 4 28 22 +4 +23
K. Thompson SG 39 6-12 4-8 4-4 0 3 2 0 0 0 1 20 15 +4 +19
J. Bell PF 12 3-4 0-0 0-0 1 4 0 3 2 1 1 6 15 +5 +9
A. Iguodala SF 35 1-4 0-1 0-0 2 6 3 0 0 1 2 2 2 -5 +9
K. Looney SF 13 1-6 0-0 0-0 2 4 0 0 1 1 0 2 5 -3 +3
S. Livingston PG 10 2-2 0-0 1-2 0 1 0 2 1 0 2 5 15 -4 +4
P. McCaw SG 8 0-1 0-0 0-0 0 0 2 0 0 0 1 0 0 -2 +1
N. Young SG 14 3-5 1-2 2-3 1 2 0 1 0 0 0 9 19 +4 +7
O. Casspi SF DNP-COACH'S DECISION
J. McGee C DNP-COACH'S DECISION
Totals 47-94 12-30 21-28 12 49 30 22 10 4 19 127
Percent 50.0% 40.0% 75.0%
 
Fast Break Points: 19
Points in Paint: 68
Total Turnovers (Points Off Turnovers): 17 (12)
Flagrant Fouls: 0
Technical Fouls: 0
 
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-A 3GM-A FTM-A OR TR AS TO ST BS PF PTS P36 +/- EFF
L. Nance PF 22 0-2 0-0 0-0 0 4 5 0 4 1 0 0 0 -11 +12
B. Ingram SF 44 12-21 2-2 6-7 0 5 3 7 3 2 5 32 22 -8 +28
B. Lopez C 17 2-5 0-2 2-3 0 1 1 2 1 1 1 6 11 -15 +4
L. Ball PG 43 5-12 3-7 2-2 1 2 10 2 1 0 2 15 10 -8 +19
K. Caldwell-Pope SG 42 7-18 2-8 5-6 2 7 0 2 1 0 3 21 15 +1 +15
J. Randle PF 31 9-13 0-0 2-4 1 4 2 1 0 1 4 20 19 +11 +20
C. Brewer SF 12 0-1 0-1 0-0 0 0 0 1 2 0 3 0 0 +4 +0
A. Bogut C 5 1-1 0-0 0-0 0 2 1 0 0 0 0 2 12 +2 +5
J. Clarkson PG 36 9-19 2-4 1-1 3 6 8 1 0 0 3 21 18 +8 +24
J. Hart SG 13 2-3 0-0 2-2 0 3 0 1 0 0 2 6 14 -4 +7
T. Bryant C DNP-COACH'S DECISION
I. Zubac C DNP-COACH'S DECISION
T. Ennis PG DNP-COACH'S DECISION
Totals 47-95 9-24 20-25 7 34 30 17 12 5 23 123
Percent 49.5% 37.5% 80.0%
 
Fast Break Points: 19
Points in Paint: 68
Total Turnovers (Points Off Turnovers): 17 (12)
Flagrant Fouls: 0
Technical Fouls: 0
 
Game Information
STAPLES Center
Coverage: NBATV
Los Angeles, CA
Line: GS -13.5
Over/Under: 229
Attendance: 18,997
100% Capacity: 19,060
Referees: Ed Malloy, Josh Tiven, Kevin Cutler
 
 
NBA Box Score:
 
Team 1 2 3 4 OT1 Total
Golden State Warrior 30 20 34 25 18 127
Los Angeles Lakers 20 34 30 25 14 123 - Final
 
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-A 3GM-A FTM-A OR TR AS TO ST BS PF PTS P36 +/- EFF
Kevin Durant SF 42:19 12-25 3-7 2-4 0 7 5 6 1 1 4 29 21 +8 +22
Draymond Green PF 38:20 5-10 1-3 4-6 4 11 9 4 4 0 2 15 12 -2 +28
Zaza Pachulia C 14:11 5-5 0-0 1-1 2 6 2 1 1 0 2 11 23 +11 +19
Klay Thompson SG 38:41 6-12 4-8 4-4 0 3 2 0 0 0 1 20 16 +4 +19
Stephen Curry PG 39:23 9-20 3-9 7-8 0 5 7 5 0 0 4 28 21 +4 +23
Jordan Bell F 12:23 3-4 0-0 0-0 1 4 0 3 2 1 1 6 15 +5 +9
Andre Iguodala G-F 34:49 1-4 0-1 0-0 2 6 3 0 0 1 2 2 2 -5 +9
Nick Young G-F 13:53 3-5 1-2 2-3 1 2 0 1 0 0 0 9 19 +4 +7
Patrick McCaw G 8:25 0-1 0-0 0-0 0 0 2 0 0 0 1 0 0 -2 +1
Kevon Looney F 12:54 1-6 0-0 0-0 2 4 0 0 1 1 0 2 5 -3 +3
Shaun Livingston G 9:40 2-2 0-0 1-2 0 1 0 2 1 0 2 5 16 -4 +4
Omri Casspi F 0:00 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 +0 +0
JaVale McGee C 0:00 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 +0 +0
Totals 265:0 47-94 12-30 21-28 12 49 30 22 10 4 19 127
Percent 50.0% 40.0% 75.0%
 
Biggest Lead: 11
Fastbreak Points: 19
Longest Run: 10
Points In Paint: 52
Points Off Turnovers: 12
Second Chance Points: 18
 
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-A 3GM-A FTM-A OR TR AS TO ST BS PF PTS P36 +/- EFF
Brandon Ingram SF 44:01 12-21 2-2 6-7 0 5 3 7 3 2 5 32 22 -8 +28
Larry Nance Jr. PF 22:27 0-2 0-0 0-0 0 4 5 0 4 1 0 0 0 -11 +12
Brook Lopez C 16:51 2-5 0-2 2-3 0 1 1 2 1 1 1 6 11 -15 +4
Kentavious Caldw SG 41:32 7-18 2-8 5-6 2 7 0 2 1 0 3 21 15 +1 +15
Lonzo Ball PG 43:20 5-12 3-7 2-2 1 2 10 2 1 0 2 15 10 -8 +19
Jordan Clarkson G 35:31 9-19 2-4 1-1 3 6 8 1 0 0 3 21 18 +8 +24
Julius Randle F-C 31:09 9-13 0-0 2-4 1 4 2 1 0 1 4 20 19 +11 +20
Corey Brewer F 12:04 0-1 0-1 0-0 0 0 0 1 2 0 3 0 0 +4 +0
Josh Hart G 12:42 2-3 0-0 2-2 0 3 0 1 0 0 2 6 14 -4 +7
Andrew Bogut C 5:21 1-1 0-0 0-0 0 2 1 0 0 0 0 2 11 +2 +5
Thomas Bryant C 0:00 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 +0 +0
Tyler Ennis G 0:00 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 +0 +0
Ivica Zubac C 0:00 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 +0 +0
Totals 265:0 47-95 9-24 20-25 7 34 30 17 12 5 23 123
Percent 49.5% 37.5% 80.0%
 
Biggest Lead: 6
Fastbreak Points: 19
Longest Run: 10
Points In Paint: 68
Points Off Turnovers: 19
Second Chance Points: 12
 
Times Tied: 0; Lead Changes: 0
Attendance: 18997; Duration: 2:32
Officials: Ed Malloy, Kevin Cutler, Josh Tiven
 
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Recap whenever.
 
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Game flow URL: http://www.popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20171129&game=GSWLAL
From http://espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=400975063
 
1st Quarter
0-0 12:00 Zaza Pachulia vs. Brook Lopez (Draymond Green gains possession)
2-0 11:47 Kevin Durant makes 22-foot jumper (Draymond Green assists)
2-2 11:31 Brandon Ingram makes 19-foot jumper (Larry Nance Jr. assists)
2-2 11:17 Draymond Green bad pass (Larry Nance Jr. steals)
2-2 11:12 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope misses 27-foot three point jumper
2-2 11:08 Stephen Curry defensive rebound
2-2 11:04 Kevin Durant misses 29-foot three point pullup jump shot
2-2 10:58 Larry Nance Jr. defensive rebound
2-2 10:53 Brandon Ingram misses 21-foot jumper
2-2 10:50 Zaza Pachulia defensive rebound
2-2 10:34 Stephen Curry misses 18-foot jumper
2-2 10:32 Brandon Ingram defensive rebound
2-2 10:30 Brandon Ingram offensive foul
2-2 10:30 Brandon Ingram turnover
2-2 10:14 Zaza Pachulia bad pass (Brook Lopez steals)
2-2 10:06 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope misses 12-foot two point shot
2-2 10:02 Stephen Curry defensive rebound
5-2 9:58 Klay Thompson makes 27-foot three pointer (Stephen Curry assists)
5-2 9:38 Larry Nance Jr. misses 15-foot hook shot
5-2 9:36 Zaza Pachulia defensive rebound
7-2 9:27 Draymond Green makes layup
7-5 9:16 Brandon Ingram makes 25-foot three point jumper (Larry Nance Jr. assists)
7-5 8:57 Kevin Durant steps out of bounds turnover
7-5 8:48 Larry Nance Jr. misses 18-foot jumper
7-5 8:45 Zaza Pachulia defensive rebound
7-5 8:39 Stephen Curry bad pass (Larry Nance Jr. steals)
7-7 8:33 Brandon Ingram makes two point shot (Larry Nance Jr. assists)
9-7 8:20 Zaza Pachulia makes layup (Stephen Curry assists)
9-7 8:07 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope misses layup
9-7 8:05 Draymond Green defensive rebound
9-7 8:03 Draymond Green out of bounds lost ball turnover
9-7 7:51 Brook Lopez bad pass (Draymond Green steals)
11-7 7:36 Zaza Pachulia makes layup (Kevin Durant assists)
11-7 7:25 Brook Lopez misses 27-foot three point jumper
11-7 7:21 Klay Thompson defensive rebound
13-7 7:03 Zaza Pachulia makes 3-foot layup (Kevin Durant assists)
13-7 6:51 Brandon Ingram out of bounds bad pass turnover
13-7 6:51 Lakers Full timeout
15-7 6:39 Kevin Durant makes 2-foot dunk (Draymond Green assists)
15-9 6:17 Brandon Ingram makes two point shot
15-9 6:02 Kevin Durant misses 19-foot pullup jump shot
15-9 5:59 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope defensive rebound
15-9 5:53 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope bad pass (Zaza Pachulia steals)
17-9 5:31 Draymond Green makes 2-foot layup (Zaza Pachulia assists)
17-9 5:20 Kevin Durant personal foul
17-9 5:20 Jordan Bell enters the game for Draymond Green
17-9 5:20 Andre Iguodala enters the game for Zaza Pachulia
17-9 5:20 Brook Lopez misses free throw 1 of 2
17-9 5:20 Lakers offensive team rebound
17-10 5:20 Brook Lopez makes free throw 2 of 2
17-10 5:08 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope shooting foul
18-10 5:08 Klay Thompson makes free throw 1 of 2
19-10 5:08 Klay Thompson makes free throw 2 of 2
19-12 4:52 Brook Lopez makes 17-foot hook shot
19-12 4:29 Jordan Bell bad pass (Larry Nance Jr. steals)
19-12 4:08 Brook Lopez offensive foul
19-12 4:08 Brook Lopez turnover
19-12 4:08 Jordan Clarkson enters the game for Larry Nance Jr.
19-12 4:08 Nick Young enters the game for Klay Thompson
21-12 3:52 Jordan Bell makes driving layup (Stephen Curry assists)
21-12 3:34 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope misses 25-foot three point jumper
21-12 3:32 Andre Iguodala defensive rebound
21-12 3:22 Stephen Curry misses 26-foot three point jumper
21-12 3:20 Brook Lopez defensive rebound
21-12 3:14 Brandon Ingram bad pass (Jordan Bell steals)
21-12 3:09 Stephen Curry misses layup
21-12 3:07 Brandon Ingram defensive rebound
21-12 3:02 Brandon Ingram misses 5-foot hook shot
21-12 3:00 Jordan Clarkson offensive rebound
21-12 2:58 Jordan Clarkson misses layup
21-12 2:58 Stephen Curry defensive rebound
23-12 2:52 Andre Iguodala makes dunk (Stephen Curry assists)
23-12 2:46 Lakers Full timeout
23-12 2:46 Julius Randle enters the game for Brook Lopez
23-12 2:46 Draymond Green enters the game for Kevin Durant
23-12 2:38 Jordan Bell blocks Lonzo Ball 's 2-foot layup
23-12 2:34 Julius Randle offensive rebound
23-14 2:33 Julius Randle makes two point shot
23-14 2:17 Stephen Curry bad pass (Lonzo Ball steals)
23-16 2:13 Julius Randle makes two point shot (Lonzo Ball assists)
23-16 2:04 Draymond Green misses 27-foot three point jumper
23-16 2:02 Lakers defensive team rebound
23-16 1:52 Lonzo Ball misses 27-foot three point jumper
23-16 1:50 Jordan Bell defensive rebound
23-16 1:41 Jordan Bell misses 15-foot jump bank shot
23-16 1:38 Jordan Clarkson defensive rebound
23-18 1:32 Jordan Clarkson makes driving layup (Lonzo Ball assists)
23-18 1:31 Warriors Full timeout
23-18 1:19 Stephen Curry misses 27-foot three point jumper
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Digest for alt.sports.hockey.nhl.mtl-canadiens@googlegroups.com - 3 updates in 2 topics

Gerry <gerry14@hotmail.com>: Nov 30 08:53AM -0800

On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 8:48:29 PM UTC-5, Chuck wrote:
> Come on JDLR, let's see a shot on goal! We will set the bar low, just asking for ONE shot. Are there goalies with more shots.
 
It might not hurt to grant him some "conditioning" stints in Laval, once in a while.
 
They must be getting near the window to send Froese back down as well.
 
I see they traded Holland for Cracknell today. Laval says thanks a lot - Holland was scoring quite well down there, while Cracknell had 3 pts in Hartford. Presumably Cracknell will get cycled up to the Habs' 4th line now.
 
And - finally! - Carr is coming up.
 
I would assume Jerabek is up to stay with the Habs now too.
 
Price comes back, everything is rosy around here for a change! :)
 
l8r,
Gerry
Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com>: Nov 30 06:12PM -0800

Yeah, a point and a shot on goal. Will this be the breakout game for JDLR?
John Corbin <johnhabsfan@gmail.com>: Nov 30 06:02PM -0800

Is there a site were you could see a map of shots on goal for a given game?
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Satir <a@b.c>: Nov 30 08:01PM +0100

14.11.2017. u 19:37, Satir je napisao/la:
> Riječka legija stranaca svoju utakmicu osmine finala Kupa odigrala dva
> tjedna nakon Dinama...
 
Riječka legija stranaca odgodila svoju utakmicu četvrtfinala Kupa za
13.12. da se bolje pripremi za utakmice protiv Hajduka i Slavena.
 
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branko 10 <branko@ck.t-com.hr>: Nov 30 12:36AM +0100

Barcelona - Real Murcia 5-0
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"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.com>: Nov 30 08:59PM +0200

On 30.11.2017 16:13, TT wrote:
>>> tournament.
 
>> And this correlation makes MC prestigious?
 
> I already answered this on other post.
 
Maybe I'll try to find it.
 
> ...Because it had such different conditions than RG and correlated
> poorly with it results-wise. Even Muster said something like "Bleh,
> Hamburg is rubbish since its winner never wins RG".
 
He did?
 
> So correlation seems pretty important, even more so than long history
> since Hamburg was first played in 1892.
 
Correlation-wise Hamburg is just as important as the Italian. What did
Muster say about the Italian?
 
It's a bit nutty to even speak of correlation, let alone compare them,
when the actual numbers are close to 0.
 
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calimero377@gmx.de: Nov 30 10:45AM -0800

On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 7:23:01 PM UTC+1, The Iceberg wrote:
> Oh Brexit is so bad, immigration figures still how we're being flooded with new people! 230,000 people flocked here in the past year alone with 107,000 leaving fascist Germany, soon to be Russian Sweden and other EUSSR states! Lol
 
 
UK Office of National Statistics November 2017 Report (comparison to 2016)
 
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/migrationstatisticsquarterlyreport/november2017
 
„The 80,000 decrease in immigration included falls for both EU citizens (down 54,000 to 230,000) and non-EU citizens (down 28,000 to 263,000); EU emigration increased by 28,000 to 123,000 in YE June 2017 (all statistically significant changes). ...
 
"The first full year of data since the EU referendum vote in 2016 shows a decrease in the number of people coming to live in the UK and an increase in the number leaving, resulting in a fall in net migration of 106,000. Over three-quarters of the fall in net migration was accounted for by EU citizens."
 
 
Lololololololol .......
 
 
 
 
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"DumbedDownUSA" <dumb.america@gmail.com>: Nov 30 11:30AM

Moderate wrote:
 
 
> > He most certainly did say that.
 
> He never said that. The lack of honesty from the left is a
> cultural thing.
 
...and how do you categorise the habitual dishonesty of Trump and his
supporters? Uncultured, certainly?
 
 
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"DumbedDownUSA" <dumb.america@gmail.com>: Nov 30 11:44AM

Dene wrote:
 
> > them. That's the only thing that Franken did physically. He wasn't
> > touching the breasts in that picture.
 
> Yeah...but did he or was he just bragging?
 
Are you man enough to sate your honest opinion after considering the
weight of evidence? Is it coincidence he brags of such behaviour AFTER
being accused of that very same behaviour... or is it admission?
 
Is any Trumpet man enough?
 
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/nov/30/donald-trump-sexual-misconduct-allegations-full-list
 
e.g. Harth alleges Trump forcibly kissed her on the lips and groped her
breasts and grabbed her genitals, in what she referred to in a 1997
lawsuit as "attempted rape".
 
Trump: Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything.
 
Trump: I moved on her, and I failed. I'll admit it.
 
Heller alleges Trump forcibly kissed her on the lips in public.
 
Trump: You know, I'm automatically attracted to beautiful — I just
start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait.
 
Consider the accusations and the dates...
 
...does anyone really think he was "just bragging".
 
 
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"DumbedDownUSA" <dumb.america@gmail.com>: Nov 30 11:48AM

Dene wrote:
 
> > > Your hero rammed ACA through his 2nd year.
 
> > The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, also
> > known as the stimulus package, was major legislation.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act_of_2009
 
> That was not major legislation.
 
Man up: Define "major legislation"
 
 
> > As for the rest, you can see for yourself here:
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/obamas-promises/
 
> I posted a long list of Trump accomplishments in an earlier thread.
> Nonetheless, it will be interesting how you will characterize his
> upcoming tax reform victory. Major or minor?
 
Do they have to wait 8 years before they can categorise it as major? or
a failure?
 
It's obvious it will be a major victory for him, personally, he stands
to make millions out of you suckers.
"John B." <johnb505@gmail.com>: Nov 30 04:57AM -0800

On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 9:25:07 PM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
> > known as the stimulus package, was major legislation.
 
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act_of_2009
 
> That was not major legislation.
 
Like hell it wasn't. It was huge and hugely important.
 
> > As for the rest, you can see for yourself here:
> > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/obamas-promises/
 
> Nothing major in that list either.
 
You don't know what you're talking about.
 
> > In his first 10 months, Trump has accomplished absolutely
> > nothing.
 
> I posted a long list of Trump accomplishments in an earlier thread. Nonetheless, it will be interesting how you will characterize his upcoming tax reform victory. Major or minor?
 
Yes, I remember that. It was 99% horseshit. The tax bill
will be major -- a major disaster -- if he gets it passed.
It's a desperate attempt by Republicans to keep from
getting slaughtered in 2018.
"John B." <johnb505@gmail.com>: Nov 30 05:01AM -0800

On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 6:44:29 AM UTC-5, DumbedDownUSA wrote:
> start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait.
 
> Consider the accusations and the dates...
 
> ...does anyone really think he was "just bragging".
 
When he owned the Miss Universe Pageant, he walked into the
contestants' dressing room while they were changing their
clothes and made lewd remarks about them.
 
MNMikeW <mnmiikkew@aol.com>: Nov 30 08:54AM -0600

Dene wrote:
>> the stimulus package, was major legislation.
 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act_of_2009
 
> That was not major legislation.
 
And was started before Obama took office.
MNMikeW <mnmiikkew@aol.com>: Nov 30 09:00AM -0600

Carbon wrote:
> from one person cancels out a similar lapse in someone else. I tried
> to explain the absurdity a few times but clearly the message was not
> received.
 
 
You're getting to be as stupid as Baker.
MNMikeW <mnmiikkew@aol.com>: Nov 30 09:01AM -0600

>>> quick dismissal.
 
>> There were. And two more women accused him after he was fired.
 
> Accusals aren't undoubtable facts.
 
They are when applied to Trump. Or any Republican/conservative.
MNMikeW <mnmiikkew@aol.com>: Nov 30 09:03AM -0600

Dene wrote:
>>> quick dismissal.
 
>> There were. And two more women accused him after he was fired.
 
> Yeah...the network that ridiculed Fox News for their cleansing is eating their own bar of soap.
 
Yes, quite the display of bias yesterday when they all circled the
wagons around Lauer. They were not as generous to O'Reilley.
MNMikeW <mnmiikkew@aol.com>: Nov 30 09:03AM -0600

John B. wrote:
 
> Because he presumes that Matt Lauer is a liberal and for some
> people, this has become a liberal vs. conservative issue. I
> have no idea why.
 
His liberalism is well known.
Dene <gdstrue@aol.com>: Nov 30 07:05AM -0800

On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 6:54:59 AM UTC-8, MNMikeW wrote:
 
> > I posted a long list of Trump accomplishments in an earlier thread.
> > Nonetheless, it will be interesting how you will characterize his
> > upcoming tax reform victory. Major or minor?
 
Good presidents work with the other side. Reagan and Tip...Clinton and Newt. Obama showed no inclination to work with Republicans. Completely unwilling to yield on his ideology. Instead of citing his lack of leadership, Dems do what they do best....blame.
 
It remains to be seen whether Trump can work with "Chancy." Right now he doesn't need them, but after 2020, he might. Meanwhile stuff needs to get done. Legislation that has been needed for years.
"DumbedDownUSA" <dumb.america@gmail.com>: Nov 30 04:56PM

Moderate wrote:
 
 
> > ...and how do you categorise the habitual dishonesty of Trump and
> > his supporters? Uncultured, certainly?
 
> Cite.
 
I refer you to my previous post regarding your illiteracy.
 
--
Trump ***Irresponsible, unprofessional and sending the wrong message.***
"DumbedDownUSA" <dumb.america@gmail.com>: Nov 30 04:59PM

Moderate wrote:
 
> > unproven allegations.
 
> Horse shit. You lie about the President's own statements on this
> issue.
 
"He was like an octopus … His hands were everywhere."
Jessica Leeds
Age 38 Year: 1980s Location: A first-class cabin of a plane
Leeds alleges Trump groped grabbed her breasts and tried to put his
hand up her skirt. Source: The New York Times
 
"I referred to this as a 'rape', but I do not want my words to be
interpreted in a literal or criminal sense."
Ivana Trump
Age 40 Year: 1989 Location: The master bedroom of the Trump Tower
triplex
In a divorce deposition, Trump's first wife used "rape" to describe an
incident that transpired between them. After a settlement was reached,
and the rape allegation became public in a 1993 book, Ivana softened
the claim. As part of her nondisclosure agreement, she is not allowed
to discuss her marriage to Trump without his permission. Source: Lost
Tycoon: The Many Lives of Donald J Trump
 
"He pushed me up against the wall, and had his hands all over me and
tried to get up my dress again."
Jill Harth
Age Early 30s Year: 1993 Location: One of the children's bedrooms at
Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
A former business partner, Harth alleges Trump forcibly kissed her on
the lips and groped her breasts and grabbed her genitals, in what she
referred to in a 1997 lawsuit as "attempted rape". On a previous
occasion, she alleges, he groped her under the table during dinner with
colleagues at the Plaza Hotel. Source: The Guardian
 
"He did touch my vagina through my underwear."
Kristen Anderson
Age Early 20s Year: Early 1990s Location: China Club, a Manhattan
nightclub
Anderson alleges Trump put his hand up her skirt and touched her
genitals through her underwear. Source: The Washington Post
 
"[Trump] stuck his head right underneath their skirts."
Lisa Boyne
Age 25 Year: 1996 Location: A New York restaurant
Boyne alleges Trump insisted the female models walk across the table
and that he looked up their skirts, commenting on whether they were
wearing underwear and their genitalia. Source: The Huffington Post
 
"He took my hand, and grabbed me, and went for the lips."
Cathy Heller
Age 44 Year: 1997 Location: A Mother's Day brunch at Mar-a-Lago
Heller alleges Trump forcibly kissed her on the lips in public. Source:
The Guardian
 
"He kissed me directly on the lips."
Temple Taggart
Age 21 Year: 1997 Location: A 1997 Miss USA pageant event and in Trump
Tower
The former Miss Utah alleges Trump forcibly kissed her on the mouth on
two occassions, including the first time she met him. Source: The New
York Times
 
"I remember putting on my dress really quick because I was like, 'Oh my
God, there's a man in here.'"
Mariah Billado
Age 18 Year: 1997 Location: Backstage at the 1997 Miss Teen USA pageant
The former Miss Vermont Teen USA and other unnamed accusers allege
Trump walked into the dressing room unannounced while teen beauty
queens aged 15 to 19 were naked. Source: BuzzFeed
 
"Then his hand touched the right side of my breast. I was in shock."
Karena Virginia
Age 27 Year: 1998 Location: Waiting for a car after the US Open in New
York
Virginia alleges Trump grabbed her arm and touched her breast. Source:
Gloria Allred press event
"The time that he walked through the dressing rooms was really
shocking. We were all naked."
Bridget Sullivan
Age 19 Year: 2000 Location: Backstage at the 2000 Miss USA pageant
The former Miss New Hampshire alleges Trump walked in to the dressing
room unannounced while contestants were naked. Source: BuzzFeed
 
"Our first introduction to him was when we were at the dress rehearsal
and half-naked changing into our bikinis."
Tasha Dixon
Age 19 Year: 2001 Location: Backstage at the 2001 Miss USA pageant
The former Miss Arizona alleges Trump entered dressing rooms while her
fellow contestants were "half-naked". Source: CBS News
 
"All of a sudden I felt a grab, a little nudge."
Melinda McGillivray
Age 23 Year: 2003 Location: At Mar-a-Lago during a concert by Ray
Charles
McGillivray alleges Trump grabbed her buttock in a pavilion behind the
main house in the middle of a group of people. Source: Palm Beach Post
"I was thinking 'Oh, he's going to hug me', but when he pulled my face
in and gave me a smooch. I was like 'Oh – kay.'"
Jennifer Murphy
Age 26 Year: 2005 Location: Outside an elevator after an interview
The former contestant on The Apprentice alleges Trump forcibly kissed
her after a job interview.
 
"[Trump] kissed me directly on the mouth."
Rachel Crooks
Age 22 Year: 2005 Location: Outside the elevator in Trump Tower
Crooks alleges Trump kissed her forcibly on the lips. Source: New York
Times
 
"I turned around, and within seconds he was pushing me against the wall
and forcing his tongue down my throat."
Natasha Stoynoff
Age 40 Year: 2005 Location: A closed-door room in Mar-a-Lago
Stoynoff alleges Trump forcibly kissed her. Source: People
 
"Trump stood right next to me and suddenly he squeezed my butt."
Ninni Laaksonen
Age 20 Year: 2006 Location: Outside the Ed Sullivan Theater before an
appearance on The Late Show with David Letterman
The former Miss Finland alleges Trump grabbed her buttocks during a
photoshoot before an appearance on The Late Show with David Letterman.
Source: Finnish newspaper Ilta-Sanomat
 
"When we entered the room he grabbed each of us tightly in a hug and
kissed each of us on the lips without asking for permission."
Jessica Drake
Age 32 Year: 2006 Location: A golf tournament in Lake Tahoe
Drake alleges Trump forcibly kissed her and two female friends on the
lips and when rebuffed, pursued her, asking: "How much?" Source: Gloria
Allred press event
 
"He would step in front of each girl and look you over from head to toe
like we were just meat, we were just sexual objects, that we were not
people."
Samantha Holvey
Age 20 Year: 2006 Location: Miss USA 2006 pageant
The former Miss North Carolina alleges Trump would barge into the
pageant dressing room and inspected women like "meat". Source: CNN
 
"He then grabbed my shoulder and began kissing me again very
aggressively and placed his hand on my breast."
Summer Zervos
Age Early 30s Year: 2007 Location: Trump Tower and a hotel in Los
Angeles
The former contestant on The Apprentice has accused Trump of groping
and kissing her on two occasions. She has filed a defamation claim
against the now-president. Source: Gloria Allred press event
 
"He probably doesn't want me telling the story about that time he
continually grabbed my ass and invited me to his hotel room."
Cassandra Searles
Age 24 Year: 2013 Location: Miss USA 2013 pageant
The former Miss Washington 2013 alleges in a comment on Facebook that
Trump repeatedly grabbed her buttocks and invited her to his hotel
room. Source: Facebook, via Yahoo News
 
--
Trump ***Irresponsible, unprofessional and sending the wrong message.***
"DumbedDownUSA" <dumb.america@gmail.com>: Nov 30 05:03PM

Moderate wrote:
 
> Virtue signaling feminist men. The left is rife with with them.
> Their lives are lies.
 
Sexual abuse should not be a partisan issue. You should all be named
and shamed for the disgrace you bring on our gender and the damage your
behaviour has done to the relationship between genders.
 
"He was like an octopus … His hands were everywhere."
Jessica Leeds
Age 38 Year: 1980s Location: A first-class cabin of a plane
Leeds alleges Trump groped grabbed her breasts and tried to put his
hand up her skirt. Source: The New York Times
 
"I referred to this as a 'rape', but I do not want my words to be
interpreted in a literal or criminal sense."
Ivana Trump
Age 40 Year: 1989 Location: The master bedroom of the Trump Tower
triplex
In a divorce deposition, Trump's first wife used "rape" to describe an
incident that transpired between them. After a settlement was reached,
and the rape allegation became public in a 1993 book, Ivana softened
the claim. As part of her nondisclosure agreement, she is not allowed
to discuss her marriage to Trump without his permission. Source: Lost
Tycoon: The Many Lives of Donald J Trump
 
"He pushed me up against the wall, and had his hands all over me and
tried to get up my dress again."
Jill Harth
Age Early 30s Year: 1993 Location: One of the children's bedrooms at
Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
A former business partner, Harth alleges Trump forcibly kissed her on
the lips and groped her breasts and grabbed her genitals, in what she
referred to in a 1997 lawsuit as "attempted rape". On a previous
occasion, she alleges, he groped her under the table during dinner with
colleagues at the Plaza Hotel. Source: The Guardian
 
"He did touch my vagina through my underwear."
Kristen Anderson
Age Early 20s Year: Early 1990s Location: China Club, a Manhattan
nightclub
Anderson alleges Trump put his hand up her skirt and touched her
genitals through her underwear. Source: The Washington Post
 
"[Trump] stuck his head right underneath their skirts."
Lisa Boyne
Age 25 Year: 1996 Location: A New York restaurant
Boyne alleges Trump insisted the female models walk across the table
and that he looked up their skirts, commenting on whether they were
wearing underwear and their genitalia. Source: The Huffington Post
 
"He took my hand, and grabbed me, and went for the lips."
Cathy Heller
Age 44 Year: 1997 Location: A Mother's Day brunch at Mar-a-Lago
Heller alleges Trump forcibly kissed her on the lips in public. Source:
The Guardian
 
"He kissed me directly on the lips."
Temple Taggart
Age 21 Year: 1997 Location: A 1997 Miss USA pageant event and in Trump
Tower
The former Miss Utah alleges Trump forcibly kissed her on the mouth on
two occassions, including the first time she met him. Source: The New
York Times
 
"I remember putting on my dress really quick because I was like, 'Oh my
God, there's a man in here.'"
Mariah Billado
Age 18 Year: 1997 Location: Backstage at the 1997 Miss Teen USA pageant
The former Miss Vermont Teen USA and other unnamed accusers allege
Trump walked into the dressing room unannounced while teen beauty
queens aged 15 to 19 were naked. Source: BuzzFeed
 
"Then his hand touched the right side of my breast. I was in shock."
Karena Virginia
Age 27 Year: 1998 Location: Waiting for a car after the US Open in New
York
Virginia alleges Trump grabbed her arm and touched her breast. Source:
Gloria Allred press event
"The time that he walked through the dressing rooms was really
shocking. We were all naked."
Bridget Sullivan
Age 19 Year: 2000 Location: Backstage at the 2000 Miss USA pageant
The former Miss New Hampshire alleges Trump walked in to the dressing
room unannounced while contestants were naked. Source: BuzzFeed
 
"Our first introduction to him was when we were at the dress rehearsal
and half-naked changing into our bikinis."
Tasha Dixon
Age 19 Year: 2001 Location: Backstage at the 2001 Miss USA pageant
The former Miss Arizona alleges Trump entered dressing rooms while her
fellow contestants were "half-naked". Source: CBS News
 
"All of a sudden I felt a grab, a little nudge."
Melinda McGillivray
Age 23 Year: 2003 Location: At Mar-a-Lago during a concert by Ray
Charles
McGillivray alleges Trump grabbed her buttock in a pavilion behind the
main house in the middle of a group of people. Source: Palm Beach Post
"I was thinking 'Oh, he's going to hug me', but when he pulled my face
in and gave me a smooch. I was like 'Oh – kay.'"
Jennifer Murphy
Age 26 Year: 2005 Location: Outside an elevator after an interview
The former contestant on The Apprentice alleges Trump forcibly kissed
her after a job interview.
 
"[Trump] kissed me directly on the mouth."
Rachel Crooks
Age 22 Year: 2005 Location: Outside the elevator in Trump Tower
Crooks alleges Trump kissed her forcibly on the lips. Source: New York
Times
 
"I turned around, and within seconds he was pushing me against the wall
and forcing his tongue down my throat."
Natasha Stoynoff
Age 40 Year: 2005 Location: A closed-door room in Mar-a-Lago
Stoynoff alleges Trump forcibly kissed her. Source: People
 
"Trump stood right next to me and suddenly he squeezed my butt."
Ninni Laaksonen
Age 20 Year: 2006 Location: Outside the Ed Sullivan Theater before an
appearance on The Late Show with David Letterman
The former Miss Finland alleges Trump grabbed her buttocks during a
photoshoot before an appearance on The Late Show with David Letterman.
Source: Finnish newspaper Ilta-Sanomat
 
"When we entered the room he grabbed each of us tightly in a hug and
kissed each of us on the lips without asking for permission."
Jessica Drake
Age 32 Year: 2006 Location: A golf tournament in Lake Tahoe
Drake alleges Trump forcibly kissed her and two female friends on the
lips and when rebuffed, pursued her, asking: "How much?" Source: Gloria
Allred press event
 
"He would step in front of each girl and look you over from head to toe
like we were just meat, we were just sexual objects, that we were not
people."
Samantha Holvey
Age 20 Year: 2006 Location: Miss USA 2006 pageant
The former Miss North Carolina alleges Trump would barge into the
pageant dressing room and inspected women like "meat". Source: CNN
 
"He then grabbed my shoulder and began kissing me again very
aggressively and placed his hand on my breast."
Summer Zervos
Age Early 30s Year: 2007 Location: Trump Tower and a hotel in Los
Angeles
The former contestant on The Apprentice has accused Trump of groping
and kissing her on two occasions. She has filed a defamation claim
against the now-president. Source: Gloria Allred press event
 
"He probably doesn't want me telling the story about that time he
continually grabbed my ass and invited me to his hotel room."
Cassandra Searles
Age 24 Year: 2013 Location: Miss USA 2013 pageant
The former Miss Washington 2013 alleges in a comment on Facebook that
Trump repeatedly grabbed her buttocks and invited her to his hotel
room. Source: Facebook, via Yahoo News
 
--
Trump ***Irresponsible, unprofessional and sending the wrong message.***
michaelunowho@gmail.com: Nov 30 07:00AM -0800

On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 8:16:45 PM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
> > counting out Canadian currency which can't be faked with a scanner, or
> > Photoshop." - Alan Baker
 
> How about a link to the first two.
 
Shitstain Baker took them down when IT was laughed at.
 
We ROTFLOAO.
 
And IT also removed the one showing the shithole building IT lives in and the street signs on IT's block. IT really is short on brains, and what IT has, is defective.
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>: Nov 30 04:19AM -0800

On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 1:43:58 AM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
> Something wrong with 60% benefitting?
 
Yes, because of how "benefit" is defined. The metric being used is $100/year:
 
"More than 60 percent of households would see a tax cut of at least $100 in 2019".
 
The problem with that metric is that since the bill isn't revenue-neutral, it is
achieving some "savings" merely by knowingly adding to the National Debt.
 
There's 125.82 million households in the USA, so this "borrow and spend"
has a per-household magnitude of ~$1200/year per household.
 
TL;DR: the "benefit" needs to be defined as being more than $1200/yr to
actually be a savings, instead of an increased deficit "borrowing".
 
 
Plus even their claimed 'benefit' is transient:
 
"In 2027, after the tax cuts for individuals expire, ... only about 16 percent would
see tax cuts of at least $100."
 
Bottom line is that you're trying to brag about what will probably work out
to be not much more than $100/yr * 9 years = $900 savings ...
 
 
> What happens 10 years from now is irrelevant.
 
No, because while you're gloating over your $100/yr (for only 9 years) break,
all US households are also taking on an additional $12K/household in debt.
 
And from a debt service standpoint, even at an optimistic 4% interest rate,
the annual -- per household -- cost for that increase in National Debt grows
annually to be no less than $480/year by the end of this bill's proposed period.
 
TL;DR: a $100/yr "savings" results in interest payments that grow to $480/yr by 2029.
 
Still want to claim that this sort of fiscal policy is "America First"?
 
I don't. This bill is a total rape of the general American public, and by
knowingly using bad & deceptive metrics, its proponents know it too.
 

> BTW...hope lawmakers delete the individual mandate repeal.
 
Agreed -- but they still haven't yet done so.
 
BTW, attended a lecture yesterday, where one of the topics that was discussed
included drug costs. Some of the problems are systemic, such as how the
patent on a drug is for only 21 years, but it typically takes 16 years from
invention to get it through all testing and to market, so the payback window
is relatively short. What I found more interesting is that the first "FDA" style
drug safety laws --- circa 1902? -- create some conflict-of-interest elements,
so we've had this bad structure for a century.
 
 
-hh
"John B." <johnb505@gmail.com>: Nov 30 05:05AM -0800

On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 1:43:58 AM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
 
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/60-percent-of-households-would-see-tax-cut-under-senate-gop-tax-bill-jct/ar-BBFWrRn?ocid=spartanntp
 
> What happens 10 years from now is irrelevant. The Bush tax cuts were reinstated when they were set to expire. Likely the same will happen in 2029.
 
> BTW...hope lawmakers delete the individual mandate repeal. It does work to motivate people to buy insurance, especially younger ones.
 
The Bush tax cuts sent the deficit through the roof and the
Trump tax bill will be even worse. But of course, Republicans
only care about deficits when a Democrat is in office.
Dene <gdstrue@aol.com>: Nov 30 06:33AM -0800

On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 1:43:58 AM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
- show quoted text -
The Bush tax cuts sent the deficit through the roof and the
Trump tax bill will be even worse. But of course, Republicans
only care about deficits when a Democrat is in office.
 
So you prefer the status quo?
Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>: Nov 30 05:10AM -0600


>> > He never said he grabbed a pussy. Liars.
 
> He most certainly did say that.
 
He never said that. The lack of honesty from the left is a
cultural thing.
 
--
Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>: Nov 30 05:12AM -0600


> Because he presumes that Matt Lauer is a liberal and for some
> people, this has become a liberal vs. conservative issue. I
> have no idea why.
 
It is not a liberal vs conservative issue. It is a liberal men
against women issue.
--
Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>: Nov 30 05:15AM -0600

> improper sexual behavior. With liberals, you take it as fact,
> but in the cases of Moore and Trump, you say they are
> unproven allegations.
 
Horse shit. You lie about the President's own statements on this issue.
--
Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>: Nov 30 05:27AM -0600

>> known as the stimulus package, was major legislation.
 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act_of_2009
 
> That was not major legislation.
 
By any definition this Trillion dollar boondoggle was major
legislative.
 
It did nothing to stimulate the economy. Dims prefer bad
legislation over none. I will take none every time.
 
What Trump did was stop the river of illegals and defeat ISIS.
Dims consider such things as failures, but flushing a trillion
dollars down the crapper is a great accomplishment.
 
They are mental defectives.
Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>: Nov 30 06:19AM -0600

>> cultural thing.
 
> ...and how do you categorise the habitual dishonesty of Trump and his
> supporters? Uncultured, certainly?
 
Cite.
--
Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>: Nov 30 07:24AM -0600

> drug safety laws --- circa 1902? -- create some conflict-of-interest elements,
> so we've had this bad structure for a century.
 
> -hh
 
This guy's understanding of economics is pathetic. After the
Reagan tax cut, tax revenues went up.
--
Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>: Nov 30 07:41AM -0600


> The Bush tax cuts sent the deficit through the roof and the
> Trump tax bill will be even worse. But of course, Republicans
> only care about deficits when a Democrat is in office.
 
Tax revenue went up 44% 2001-2007. Obama extended the tax cuts 2
more years.
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Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Nov 30 07:01AM -0800

Googie faces mass legal action in UK over data snooping:
 
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42166089
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Nov 30 03:16PM +0200

*skriptis kirjoitti 30.11.2017 klo 15:03:
>> excuse as well. But keep on trying, maybe you can come up with some
>> reasoning eventually apart from "I feel that".
 
> But Shanghai isn't China Open.
 
Oh, we get back to 'name argument' now...
 
I already won the argument with Barcelona. And the capital argument as well.
 
> And it has no tradition compared to tennis traditions in Florida,
> west coast etc.
 
Well Rome has no tennis tradition compared to Monaco...
 
> I expect it to grow in the future, but so far it ain't there yet.
 
The problem is that it's so far away and end of the season when
everybody is tired.
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Nov 30 05:34AM -0800

On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 7:24:36 AM UTC-5, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
 
> > The alternate view has its protagonists bickering over which tune up should be a 'precursor' to the big one.
 
> I don't think propping up MC because Rafito won it 10 times is the
> alternate view. It's the fanboi view.
 
Make it *an* alternate view, then. fanboi or otherwise, it is also a view.
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Nov 30 03:38PM +0200

TT kirjoitti 30.11.2017 klo 15:11:
 
> As for Rafa's 10 wins... at least we can say that his MC achievement
> matches nicely his RG achievement which is probably NOT a coincidence.
> MC results correlate with RG results better than any other clay tournament.
 
 
So which is one is more important, MC or Rome?
 
It's probably a fools errand to try differentiate them, they are roughly
as important.
 
Although I personally would lean on MC because it correlates better with
RG results and has longer history.
 
A strong argument for MC is also Rome's current position in calendar
straight after Madrid... Madrid finalists are tired when Rome comes and
in fact I think Rafa half-tanked Rome this year - rather losing to Thiem
in semis than risking RG form, and it worked well for him (not so much
for Thiem who was slaughtered at RG by Rafa)
 
Vice versa one could argue that at MC many players have not yet found
their clay feet, apart from hardcore clay specialists who already played
some clay before it. And Nadal etc, natural talent clay courters.
 
So yeah, it seems to me that MC > Rome. Not by much but definitely so
especially with current schedule.
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Nov 30 05:41AM -0800

On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 8:11:07 AM UTC-5, TT wrote:
 
> Actually I've been countering the fanboi view... it's obvious that "Rome
> is most important" view comes from Sampras winning it and then Whisper
> brainwashing RST for years because of that.
 
Not quite. IO appears just before the FO, when slam watchers (read: the whole world) are computing their favorites chances for the FO. MC, on the other hand, is held way earlier, and is a precursor no doubt, but for other tune-ups leading to FO ;)
 
> MC results correlate with RG results better than any other clay tournament.
 
That is one opinion.
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Nov 30 05:46AM -0800

On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 5:49:18 AM UTC-5, Whisper wrote:
 
> > Ok, Monte Carlo was big from the beginning, but so was Irish Open.
 
> > IO is still bigger.
 
> Much bigger. There is no comparison. MC is a tune-up.
 
All of them are tune-ups before the biggie. Rome probably is more prestigious than MC, but I can be coaxed to believe the opposite being true. MC, Rome, it doesn't matter. The FO is the real thing.
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Nov 30 03:49PM +0200

RaspingDrive kirjoitti 30.11.2017 klo 15:41:
>> is most important" view comes from Sampras winning it and then Whisper
>> brainwashing RST for years because of that.
 
> Not quite. IO appears just before the FO, when slam watchers (read: the whole world) are computing their favorites chances for the FO. MC, on the other hand, is held way earlier, and is a precursor no doubt, but for other tune-ups leading to FO ;)
 
Where does this leave IW, Miami, Paris & Shanghai...
 
>> MC results correlate with RG results better than any other clay tournament.
 
> That is one opinion.
 
Actually that is not an opinion but a fact. Hops made a study about it.
Also more recent results confirm this (10=10 etc).
 
I'm pretty certain that MC is the 'tuneup' that correlates best of all
tuneups with its respective slam. I made a study on clay season & NA HC
season and that was the result to my recollection, although I haven't
updated the stats in a while.
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Nov 30 02:50PM +0100


> As for Rafa's 10 wins... at least we can say that his MC achievement
> matches nicely his RG achievement which is probably NOT a coincidence.
> MC results correlate with RG results better than any other clay tournament.
 
Rubbish and irrelevant.
 
Of course they probably correlate when you have Nadal winning 10
of them each. Remove him?
 
But even if the correlate or not, does it matter?
 
 
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RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Nov 30 05:54AM -0800

On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 8:38:01 AM UTC-5, TT wrote:
 
> So which is one is more important, MC or Rome?
 
> It's probably a fools errand to try differentiate them, they are roughly
> as important.
 
As a prognosticator for the FO, it is probably Rome.
 
> Although I personally would lean on MC because it correlates better with
> RG results and has longer history.
 
It does? Other than for Rafa? More evidence please.
 
> in fact I think Rafa half-tanked Rome this year - rather losing to Thiem
> in semis than risking RG form, and it worked well for him (not so much
> for Thiem who was slaughtered at RG by Rafa)
 
Madrid is the odd ball here. Maybe they could convert it to blue clay and have it after FO.
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Nov 30 05:57AM -0800

On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 8:49:09 AM UTC-5, TT wrote:
> >> brainwashing RST for years because of that.
 
> > Not quite. IO appears just before the FO, when slam watchers (read: the whole world) are computing their favorites chances for the FO. MC, on the other hand, is held way earlier, and is a precursor no doubt, but for other tune-ups leading to FO ;)
 
> Where does this leave IW, Miami, Paris & Shanghai...
 
Practically useless in the grand scheme of things. Maybe Miami because it may have some history?
 
 
> > That is one opinion.
 
> Actually that is not an opinion but a fact. Hops made a study about it.
> Also more recent results confirm this (10=10 etc).
 
OK.
 
> tuneups with its respective slam. I made a study on clay season & NA HC
> season and that was the result to my recollection, although I haven't
> updated the stats in a while.
 
OK. I believe you.
"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.los>: Nov 30 03:57PM +0200

On 30/11/2017 15.11, TT wrote:
> brainwashing RST for years because of that.
 
> As for Rafa's 10 wins... at least we can say that his MC achievement
> matches nicely his RG achievement which is probably NOT a coincidence.
 
In Rafa's case I would guess not.
 
> MC results correlate with RG results better than any other clay tournament.
 
And this correlation makes MC prestigious? Where does this correlation
come from? From Rafa! Lol
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Nov 30 04:01PM +0200

*skriptis kirjoitti 30.11.2017 klo 15:50:
 
> Rubbish and irrelevant.
 
> Of course they probably correlate when you have Nadal winning 10
> of them each. Remove him?
 
Hops made a study on it...
http://www.tennis28.com/studies/CW5.html
 
> But even if the correlate or not, does it matter?
 
That is the question. I think so.
 
Madrid is generally seen as the most inferior clay masters, and part of
it is because of the (relatively) poor correlation with RG results. Same
with Hamburg before it I think.
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Nov 30 04:04PM +0200

RaspingDrive kirjoitti 30.11.2017 klo 15:54:
 
>> Although I personally would lean on MC because it correlates better with
>> RG results and has longer history.
 
> It does? Other than for Rafa? More evidence please.
 
http://www.tennis28.com/studies/CW5.html
 
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Nov 30 04:05PM +0200

RaspingDrive kirjoitti 30.11.2017 klo 15:57:
>> season and that was the result to my recollection, although I haven't
>> updated the stats in a while.
 
> OK. I believe you.
 
Thank you for not making me update my stats. :)
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Nov 30 03:08PM +0100


> The problem is that it's so far away and end of the season when
> everybody is tired.
 
I definitely rank national championships, Italy, Canada, and
Monaco above other MS series. No doubts. It's a matter of
principle and not a "feel".
 
You can disagree but you can't accuse me of having hidden intentions.
 
 
Of all the other non-national championships, Cincunatti is the
oldest and most prestigious, with IW/Miami being huge as well
(actually biggest) in their own merit, but lacking enormous
tradition of Cincinnati.
 
Shanghai, Madrid and Paris lack so much. Neither is national
championship and expect Paris, the two virtually have zero
tradition. Paris otoh has some tradition as most prestigious
regular indoor tournament, but YEC is the king of those anyway.
Paris has a terrible slot.
Shanghai has a much better one.
Madrid has an ok slot, but it's shitty conditions.
 
 
Rome is by far the biggest non-slam, regular tournament title in
tennis.
 
 
 
 
 
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TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Nov 30 04:13PM +0200

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 30.11.2017 klo 15:57:
>> MC results correlate with RG results better than any other clay
>> tournament.
 
> And this correlation makes MC prestigious?
 
I already answered this on other post.
 
Why was Hamburg less prestigious than MC/Rome?
...Because it had such different conditions than RG and correlated
poorly with it results-wise. Even Muster said something like "Bleh,
Hamburg is rubbish since its winner never wins RG".
 
So correlation seems pretty important, even more so than long history
since Hamburg was first played in 1892.
 
Attn Skriptis: Hamburg is called "German Open"
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Nov 30 03:14PM +0100


> Madrid is generally seen as the most inferior clay masters, and part of
> it is because of the (relatively) poor correlation with RG results. Same
> with Hamburg before it I think.
 
 
Hamburg was great tune up. It was colder, damper version of clay
tennis, which FO occasionally is.
Just as sometimes you have FO similar warm Rome with baked courts.
Hamburg + MC + Rome was a great swing. All three sea level.
 
Madrid ruined it all.
 
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TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Nov 30 04:16PM +0200

*skriptis kirjoitti 30.11.2017 klo 16:08:
> I definitely rank national championships, Italy, Canada, and
> Monaco above other MS series. No doubts. It's a matter of
> principle and not a "feel".
 
Hamburg masters was and is known as 'German Open Championships' - more
important than MC?
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Nov 30 03:16PM +0100


> So correlation seems pretty important, even more so than long history
> since Hamburg was first played in 1892.
 
> Attn Skriptis: Hamburg is called "German Open"
 
 
Paris is cold and wet sometimes as well, that's what made trinity
of MC - Rome - Hamburg such a great preparation.
 

 
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Nov 30 03:23PM +0100

>> principle and not a "feel".
 
> Hamburg masters was and is known as 'German Open Championships' - more
> important than MC?
 
 
Could be argued it's roughly the same even now.
Remeber MC is not a mandatory event despite offering 1000 pts he's
calculated as one of the 4 mandatory ATP500s.
 
I'd say:
 
1. French
2. Italian
3. Monaco/German/Madrid
6. Barcelona
 
 
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TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Nov 30 04:25PM +0200

*skriptis kirjoitti 30.11.2017 klo 16:23:
> 2. Italian
> 3. Monaco/German/Madrid
> 6. Barcelona
 
Troll is a troll.
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Nov 30 04:36PM +0200

TT kirjoitti 30.11.2017 klo 16:25:
>> 3. Monaco/German/Madrid
>> 6. Barcelona
 
> Troll is a troll.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_German_Open_%E2%80%93_Singles
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Nov 30 03:38PM +0100


> Troll is a troll.
 
Then yoz tell us why is Monte Carlo, that's not even a mandatory
event, in the same tier as Italian open? That's trolling you
know.
 
Due to ATP points distribution and scheduling at the moment it's:
 
1. French
2. Italian
3. a) monaco
b) german open
c) madrid
6. Barcelona
 
 
 
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Nov 30 03:41PM +0100


>> Troll is a troll.
 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_German_Open_%E2%80%93_Singles
 
When Nadal retires you'll have Ramos Vibolas types winning Barcelona.
 
Barcelona "looks" prestigious simply because Nadal plays and wins it.
 
 
And return Hamburg to pre FO slot and it will top even Madrid if
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TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Nov 30 03:12PM +0200

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 30.11.2017 klo 14:27:
> Grabar Kitarovic says both Croatia and Bosnia were victims of an
> "aggression" from Serbia.
 
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/the-latest-croatian-pm-praljak-wanted-to-protest-verdict/2017/11/30/b0538902-d5b6-11e7-9ad9-ca0619edfa05_story.html?utm_term=.9c8ce315176d
 
What the hell??? They're loving a war criminal who committed suicide to
avoid justice?
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