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Saturday, August 12, 2017

jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com>: Aug 12 09:56PM

On Sat, 12 Aug 2017 09:01:27 -0700, Manco wrote:
 
 
> Feddy would love semis from here on out to be exactly like this. No
> Rafa, no Djoker, no Murray, no Del Potro. Nobody who actually can stand
> up to him and punch him in the mouth.
 
Welcome back Manco!
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Aug 12 03:51PM -0700

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 4:13:56 PM UTC-4, Jason White wrote:
> > Look at the semis. Haase is Feddy's best buddy. Zverev & Shap literally have Feddy posters on their bedroom walls. Feddy has be laughing his ASS off right now.
 
> > Feddy would love semis from here on out to be exactly like this. No Rafa, no Djoker, no Murray, no Del Potro. Nobody who actually can stand up to him and punch him in the mouth.
 
> This happens when members of the Four are out. It's less interesting overall. This was the case last year, and now this year. Mainly because of there aren't as many marquee matchup possibilities. The youngsters haven't made enough of a push yet to make people believe their matches should be billed at that level.
 
Honestly, as long as FEDAL are making the business end of tournaments and players like Zverev and Shap keep on improving, it's A LOT better than having Murrovic finals. FEDAL have carried the tour for over a decade. Murrovic haven't been able to compare to FEDAL that way. The interest isn't there. We need these younger kids to step up and hopefully that will happen slowly but surely and push out the Murrovics.
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Aug 13 02:53AM +0300

Manco kirjoitti 12.8.2017 klo 19:01:
> Look at the semis. Haase is Feddy's best buddy. Zverev & Shap literally have Feddy posters on their bedroom walls. Feddy has be laughing his ASS off right now.
 
> Feddy would love semis from here on out to be exactly like this. No Rafa, no Djoker, no Murray, no Del Potro. Nobody who actually can stand up to him and punch him in the mouth.
 
Have to agree that pretty bad SF lineup. Take away Rafa, Djoko and Andy
and there's not much there left.
Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Aug 12 05:12PM -0700

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 4:53:33 PM UTC-7, TT wrote:
 
> Have to agree that pretty bad SF lineup. Take away Rafa, Djoko and Andy
> and there's not much there left.
 
 
That you'd prefer to be watching the Safe Three rather than the guys who
are in left in Montreal speaks volumes.
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Aug 13 03:02AM +0300

bob kirjoitti 11.8.2017 klo 2:37:
> but i have an open mind. there are cases where preemptive strikes are
> incredibly valuable.
 
No. Not a pre-emptive strike with nukes. That's crazy.
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Aug 13 02:59AM +0300

TennisGuy kirjoitti 12.8.2017 klo 6:02:
> know they are really Russians at the core.
 
> Could this be some sort of conspiracy?
> Could Trump have something to do with this?
 
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060921/reference
calimero377@gmx.de: Aug 12 02:14PM -0700

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 11:06:39 PM UTC+2, soccerfan777 wrote:
> There is no mess. North Korea is responding to Trumps threats. He keeps his trap shut and a huge costly war is avoided
 
You are fine with NK being able to reach the USA with nukes, yes?
This mademan Kim who executes his adversaries with artillery guns?
 
Max
TennisGuy <TGuy@techsavvy.com>: Aug 12 05:44PM -0400


> You are fine with NK being able to reach the USA with nukes, yes?
> This mademan Kim who executes his adversaries with artillery guns?
 
> Max
 
Reading conspiracy theories again Max? LOL!
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Aug 12 11:48PM +0200

> There is no mess. North Korea is responding to Trumps threats. He keeps his trap shut and a huge costly war is avoided
 
My God what a mess in your head.
 
 
All former or at least past few US presidents have threatened
North Korea with regime change. And we've seen them doing regime
changes around the worlds, starting illegal wars etc. Let's not
go into it why did they do it, and were those threats justifiable
in the case of north korea and how much of it was justifiable.
The fact is that Trump's threats are in no way worse than of
those before him.
 
By playing madman vs Kim (and secretly negotiating with him) Trump
is achieving many goals simultaneously.
 
One of them is that with his excessive and ridiculous verbal
warmongering that comes right out of north Korean propaganda
textbooks "fire and fury" mot only he's sending an understandable
message to Kim but he's in a way forcing US media to reconsider
the option that Kim, or north Korea in general, aren't bunch of
lunatics.
 
You have fake news now criticizing Trump and touting Kim as
"reasonable", saying he's bad, but not mad. Yet he was always
considered mad. So it's pathetic really how quickly they changed
the narrative, but it is a must have for Trump to restore ie give
Kim some credibility in American public perception. Only then can
he even negotiate something with him.
 
Because as of know, Kim is/was considered a Dr.Evil ridiculous
type of character that is a liability or must be removed and
someone with whom you have no room for discussion.

 
Of course he's not that.
 
 
North Koreans seem determined to secure deterrence in form of
nukes, so most likely they'll get it. You can thank neocons for
undermining international law and making everyone aware of the
fact that only wmd can protect you from aggression.

 
So the final secret deal will be something like Kim developing
missiles enough to reach e.g. Guam, Hawaii, presenting that to
his people and that's it. He'll concede trying to develop stuff
to have the ability to reach U.S. mainland because that'll
probably be Trump's red line.
 
 
 
If either of them is mad (Kim wanting to develop stuff to reach
U.S. mainland, or Trump demanding full denuclearization) we'll
have a war.
 
But I wouldn't bet on it.
 
 
 
 
I'm actually surprised nobody is paying attention to South
Koreans. They're loving it. One day when they reunite, North
Korea will be long time established nuclear force and United
Korea will just keep the nukes, transforming Korea into major
world power, 75 million people, economic and nuclear powerhouse.
They know they'll need nukes to have the ability to have an
independent economic course in Asia next to gigantic China.

 
 
If I was U.S. geostrategist thinking long term, north Korea,
especially unified Korea having nukes, in the long term,
irritates China much more than USA.
 
 
 
 
 
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TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Aug 13 02:58AM +0300

Manco kirjoitti 12.8.2017 klo 21:44:
> guys, let's not pretend Trump is responsible for this mess. Bill Clinton had a chance to deal with North Korea in 1994 and let Jimmy Fucking Carter undermine our foreign policy. Then you had 16 years of Bush & Obama doing jack shit. Suddenly Trump is the one you are going to blame for this crisis that 23 years of previous administrations did nothing? Was Winston Churchill to blame for Hitler in 1940?
 
And what could the previous presidents have done?
Is your solution to have war against or nuke the North Korea?
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Aug 12 02:10PM -0700

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 5:01:23 PM UTC-4, Carey wrote:
> ...was clutch. So deep and spinny. Mighta won him the match.
 
Just watched the third set tiebreak. Nadal played poorly.
Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Aug 12 04:55PM -0700

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 2:10:12 PM UTC-7, RaspingDrive wrote:
> On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 5:01:23 PM UTC-4, Carey wrote:
> > ...was clutch. So deep and spinny. Mighta won him the match.
 
> Just watched the third set tiebreak. Nadal played poorly.
 
 
My thinking is that his opponent had something to do with that.
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Aug 13 02:48AM +0300

stephenJ kirjoitti 12.8.2017 klo 0:36:
> test of time with zero erosion.
 
> Don't sleep on this chance to see the film in a real theater.
 
> A
 
Overrated millennial favourite. It's ok but I find it completely
unremarkable in every aspect compared to classic Disney...
 
Not worth the ticket.
undecided <costasz@gmail.com>: Aug 12 04:15PM -0700

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 12:49:35 AM UTC-4, Manco wrote:
> Raonic, Nishikori, Tomic, Kyrgios and Dimitrov. They were as a group supposed to be dominating tennis by 2015 already and...
 
> nothing. Combined 0 slams, 0 MS-1000, 0 weeks at #1, 0 YEC wins. Pathetic.
 
> It will be up to born 97-01(Zverev, Shap, auger-aliassime, ruud) to take over around 2018-2019.
 
Tomic was never in the discussion, only some rabbid aussies touted him.
soccerfan777 <zepfloyes@gmail.com>: Aug 12 04:24PM -0700

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 6:15:30 PM UTC-5, undecided wrote:
 
> > nothing. Combined 0 slams, 0 MS-1000, 0 weeks at #1, 0 YEC wins. Pathetic.
 
> > It will be up to born 97-01(Zverev, Shap, auger-aliassime, ruud) to take over around 2018-2019.
 
> Tomic was never in the discussion, only some rabbid aussies touted him.
 
Rabid as in clearly infected with rabies. And need to be shot!
"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.los>: Aug 13 12:20AM +0300

On 13/08/2017 0.00, RaspingDrive wrote:
 
>>> LOL. Peakest Djokovic could only win 2 USOs. Give me a break. *rolls eyes*
 
>> However, ... peakest Djok beat Rogi at USO. Every. Single. Time.
 
> Djok beat Federer who beat Stan who beat Djok.
 
I can answer only questions that are in front of me. This time it was:
"If he had to always play peakest Djokovic, would he have won any?"
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Aug 12 03:38PM -0700

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 4:39:26 PM UTC-4, Jason White wrote:
 
> > > If he had to always play peakest Djokovic, would he have won any? Nobody beats peakest Novak, not even Spanish caveman.
 
> > LOL. Peakest Djokovic could only win 2 USOs. Give me a break. *rolls eyes*
 
> defeat federer h2h three straight finals: 2 wimbledon, 1 us open. when they played each other in big slam matches, djokovic tended to win. No way Federer wins 2017 slams vs. 2011-2016 Djokovic! yyyyaaaaaahhh
 
Yes, peak Djokovic won those finals vs past peak Federer! The bottom line is their record at the USO is 3-3 and Djokovic's wins over Federer at the USO didn't come until 2010 and beyond when Federer was 29+. What do you expect?
Let's see what happens when past peak Djokovic comes back and how he does vs past peak Federer now.
 
Also, Djokovic has lost way too many USO finals vs Murray, Wawrinka, etc. (players Federer would have never lost to.) We can only go by what IS, not what could have happened and Fed has 5 USOs and Djokovic has 2. That's all that matters.
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Aug 12 03:42PM -0700

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 4:43:38 PM UTC-4, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
 
> >> If he had to always play peakest Djokovic, would he have won any? Nobody beats peakest Novak, not even Spanish caveman.
 
> > LOL. Peakest Djokovic could only win 2 USOs. Give me a break. *rolls eyes*
 
> However, ... peakest Djok beat Rogi at USO. Every. Single. Time.
 
As I said above, their USO record is 3-3 and Djokovic didn't start beating Federer until Federer was 29+. Let's see how a 29+ year old Djokovic does vs his biggest rivals. So far he hasn't done that well. Heck, let's see if he can beat younger guys like Zverev, Kyrgios, etc when he comes back. Who can keep track of all of Tiger Djokovic's BS issues and excuses for the past year and a half? ;)
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Aug 12 03:46PM -0700

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 5:20:37 PM UTC-4, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
 
> I can answer only questions that are in front of me.
 
Can you answer the question as to where Tiger Djokovic is now or how he will perform once he does come back? Where is he? He's licking his wounds somewhere.
"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.los>: Aug 13 12:18AM +0300

On 12/08/2017 23.51, stephenJ wrote:
 
>> The mayor seems to be disgusting person.
 
> The euro-wimp should have said "Trump blamed by liberal democrat mayor
> for violent clashes". Would have been more accurate.
 
It's implied.
 
Is that the only thing you object to? KKK running rampant is ok, right?
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com>: Aug 12 09:48PM

In other news, I hear bob was traveling to Charlottesville for a "job".
calimero377@gmx.de: Aug 12 02:10PM -0700

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 11:06:22 PM UTC+2, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
> time coming than you think, and then it happens much faster than you
> would have thought".
 
> https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/aug/10/experts-strike-back-how-economists-proved-right-on-brexit
 
 
OK, we will gave to send CARE packages to the UK in a few years.
Maybe even Borussia Mönchengladbach will be able to buy some Chelsea players under favorable conditions ... ?
 
 
Max
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Aug 13 03:38AM +1000

On 13/08/2017 2:58 AM, *skriptis wrote:
 
> E.g. slam title, one million prize money
> Then runner up, 100 thousands
> Not 500 thousands or more like it is now.
 
Something needs to be changed to make these guys really value a win over
a big player, winning a slam etc. Perhaps if they see one of their
peers getting 20% more prizemoney for reaching same rd, just because
they beat Rafa/Fed/Djoker in last 12 months, might give them a kick in
the pants. Obviously they don't have the mentality of a true tennis
champion & losses are shrugged off without a 2nd thought. Putting extra
$$$ into the equation would have to improve things imo.
 
 
 
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Tim <firemonkey@gatty.co.uk>: Aug 12 05:58PM +0100

On 12/08/2017 16:12, Whisper wrote:
 
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But eventually a far superior player than Sampras.
 
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Aug 12 09:46AM +0200

> they will help save us from the sheer monotony of Federer/Nadal dominance.
 
> They will win so much they will have us begging them to stop winning so much.
 
 
Can't wait to see.
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