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Wednesday, August 9, 2017

TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Aug 10 02:14AM +0300

bob kirjoitti 10.8.2017 klo 2:05:
> i'm not convinced yet that NK is in any
> type of truly offense posture toward the USA.
 
This is true. NK is and has always been a master of really aggressive
posturing. Moreover nukes are probably for defence.
 
Still, not a good thing this far out there country having them.
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Aug 09 07:23PM -0400

>> lil guy needs some sort of attention. maybe send over a few blondes.
 
>> bob
 
>Do you have blondes?
 
probably not as many as you, but yes.
 
bob
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Aug 10 02:25AM +0300

bob kirjoitti 10.8.2017 klo 2:23:
 
>> Do you have blondes?
 
> probably not as many as you, but yes.
 
> bob
 
Well that explains the election results.
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Aug 09 07:36PM -0400


>> probably not as many as you, but yes.
 
>> bob
 
>Well that explains the election results.
 
blondes don't vote!
 
bob
stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: Aug 09 06:58PM -0500

On 8/9/2017 3:56 PM, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
> defensive, not an offensive, tool for the North Korean leadership —
> which, as Bill Clinton's defense secretary William Perry observed on Fox
> News in April, may be "ruthless and … reckless" but "they are not crazy."
 
That was true of the USSR. Kim is different. He does seem unhinged. Kim
having nukes is like ISIS having nukes - fanatics who are reasonably
likely to value inflicting damage on the enemy regardless of the
consequences to themselves.
 
I really don't know if a pre-emptive strike on NK is warranted, it's a
brutally tough call. But if we do it, I won't second guess it. Kim does
seem like a mad man.
 
 
 
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stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: Aug 09 06:58PM -0500

>> Trump's remarks. "Unhinged madness."
 
>> https://theintercept.com/2017/08/09/the-madman-with-nuclear-weapons-is-donald-trump-not-kim-jong-un/
 
> Your hate for the orange clown is carrying you too far. Kim is a madman.
 
Sure seems that way.
 
 
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TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Aug 10 03:01AM +0300

stephenJ kirjoitti 10.8.2017 klo 2:58:
 
> I really don't know if a pre-emptive strike on NK is warranted, it's a
> brutally tough call. But if we do it, I won't second guess it. Kim does
> seem like a mad man.
 
So does Trump btw.
soccerfan777 <zepfloyes@gmail.com>: Aug 09 05:45PM -0700

You guys talk about nuking as if it is some child's play. What about the millions of innocents who will die and millions others who will suffer the consequences of radiation?
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Aug 10 02:50AM +0200

> You guys talk about nuking as if it is some child's play. What about the millions of innocents who will die and millions others who will suffer the consequences of radiation?
 
 
They'll be mentioned in history books as well, and will be
commemorated every year.
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stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: Aug 09 08:02PM -0500

On 8/9/2017 7:01 PM, TT wrote:
>> brutally tough call. But if we do it, I won't second guess it. Kim
>> does seem like a mad man.
 
> So does Trump btw.
 
That's taking trump-hating beyond the pale. I've never seen crazier
political positions taken by the opposition to our President. And with
Bush Jr and Obama I thought I'd seen every crazy nutcase there was.
 
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Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Aug 09 06:37PM -0700

https://twitter.com/AskAKorean/status/895301904430968832
Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Aug 09 06:01PM -0700

On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 3:32:58 PM UTC-7, bob wrote:
> who's been in office 6 months, when clinton/bush/obama had 24yrs.
 
> and only you would agree with that conclusion.
 
> bob
 
 
+1 The Blob never rests.
acoustic@panix.com (lo yeeOn): Aug 10 12:35AM

In article <d27af88e-8fd3-46ad-9d5f-894b511649fc@googlegroups.com>,
>> are ready to act and I'm not sure that President Trump is ready to
>> act," said Senator McCain.
 
>FRor once, I agree with John McCain.
 
Look, my friend, you can't serve God and Mamon at the same time. (And
by the way, you can be an atheist and still understanding what this
means.)
 
First, by saying you agree with John McCain in his latest taunt in
order to start a war that no one knows how to finish, you're guilty of
aiding and abetting a war criminal.
 
Second, the statement McCain made isn't even true.
 
You have to ask what "great leaders" has McCain "seen". Nuclear
deterrence is a good example of what he pretended not to understand.
 
Nukes are threats that are never meant to be put to use. In other
words, the deterrence principle is to threaten without recoursing to
actions. From F.D. Roosevelt to Josef Stalin to Mao Zedong to Xe
Jinping to Vladimir Putin, they all stick tightly to their nuclear
deterrent self-defense.
 
Have they yet followed their deterrent's existential threat against
the whole world with actions?
 
No, they haven't!
 
Truman using nukes on innocent defenseless Japanese citizens is not
exemplery of great leadership.
 
He used it to hurt innocent defenseless people. What kind of a leader
was he, not to mention a "great leader"? He was a small man who sent
10s of thousands of the young men under his command to senseless deaths
for about a year after the Japanese signalled their desire to surrender.
 
So, once again, McCain didn't know or pretended not to know what he
was talking about and he showed that he didn't have a brain.
 
And my dear friend, what you need to do now is to repent and say, "I
necessarily disagree with John McCain just as I have always done."
 
And President Trump doesn't want to be another Truman!
 
Ok, cheers,
 
lo yeeOn
 
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Aug 09 08:59PM -0400

On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 03:09:39 +0000 (UTC), acoustic@panix.com (lo yeeOn)
wrote:
 
>doesn't start a "preventive war" against North Korea as Graham and
>McCain are urging him to, then any impeachment attempt against him
>will fail. Otherwise, it'll spell the doom of Trump's presidency.
 
i think this is just talk. mccain has brain cancer, the type with
12-16 month life expectancy what does he care about war? graham is ex
military hawk to begin with. doubt trump will do anything unless given
no other choice.
 
>(My take of the "Russian collusion" investigation is that it may lead
>to some peripheral indictments but it'll never rise to some kind of
>"high crimes and misdemeanors" necessarily to convict him.)
 
i don't believe there is any evidence of any type of illegal
"collusion" if there was it'd be exposed already.
 
bob
acoustic@panix.com (lo yeeOn): Aug 10 12:12AM

In article <f15dd55e-c3fc-4d9b-8247-39a27d0c68b0@googlegroups.com>,
>North Korea says seriously considering plan to strike Guam: KCNA - No
>sense doing this. There is no way you can fight against the U.S.
 
>https://www.yahoo.com/news/north-korea-says-seriously-considering-plan-strike-guam-222757124.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=2_08
 
But but but, my dear rst0wxyz, you are just acting like an easy dupe
of western propaganda. I have never heard that NK was seriously
considering striking anywhere or anybody UNLESS it were to see an
attack coming at them.
 
Note that word UNLESS! For example, in today's CNN, we can read this
sentence in a report about Tillerson's "dialback" of Trump's "Fire and
Fury".
 
In a report on state-run media, North Korea said it would "turn the
US mainland into the theater of a nuclear war" at the first sign of
an impending American attack.
 
NK wasn't saying it would start a war by itself. Rather, it said it
would if, necessarily so, it sees "an impending American attack".
 
This is of course what anybody who has nukes would say. NK is nothing
special.
 
So, it all goes back to the principle of developing and possessing
nukes as deterrents - a form of self-defense, exactly. I thought
you've been one of those guys who believe that a sovereign country
has an inalienable right of self-defense.
 
So, you mustn't now mindlessly buy into the narrative that North Korea
is plotting to attack Guam or any part of the United States.
 
Indeed, the country has a record of being very careful in treating its
western criminal offenders they put in captivity. They are very
careful not to give the US government an excuse to declare war against
their country because of such and such.
 
Every American should be very mindful about distinguishing between a
"first strike" or "preventive war" which is now often used to refer to
a first strike.
 
"Preventive" does not mean "preemptive".
 
A preventive strike is an action taken to prevent a hypothetical
situation.
 
The Iraq war and the Afghan invasion are all "preventive" wars, at
best. They were, and are, in fact imperialistic, immoral, and above
all, unending burdens to our country. A preventive war turns a
theoretical situation into a reality with immense and often
uncontrollable downside.
 
The way you should be reading the KCNA statement is that it is a
warning that any of our first strike actions could be countered with
something as substantial as Guam being attacked as a form of
retaliation - and no more.
 
We know that this is the sanest way to interpret that statement
because 1) we have enough decades dealing with North Korea to know
that its government is not crazy and 2) we have seen the war record of
our government - none of them turn out to be manageable, even when the
targets are militarily weak countries like Libya and Afghanistan.
You could even make the case that Washington is crazier than NK.
 
And McCain's taunt of Trump, telling him to make good his "fire and
fury" threat against North Korea, is nothing but an utterly dangerous
sign of irresponsibility coming from a crazy and perhaps demented
politican.
 
(A senator is supposed to be wise and prudent. McCain, instead, is
trying to goad the president to start a war noone knows how to end.
This is what we've got for our democracy?)
 
How do we know that North Korea's government isn't crazy? Even the
former US ambassador to China, Max Baucus, has recently reassured us
as much. We have to be very racist and unbelievably dumb as well in
order to think that North Koreans are suicidal people and therefore
they would commit suicide by launching a first strike against us in
Guam or Seoul.
 
So, what is the conclusion?
 
Of course, it is clear that if we don't attack North Korea, then it
won't attack Guam, the plan of attacking which is only a contingency
aimed for self-defense.
 
lo yeeOn
undecided <costasz@gmail.com>: Aug 09 04:41PM -0700

On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 5:08:50 PM UTC-4, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
> happening. Betsy DeVos is a neutron bomb to public schooling in ther US
> and military spending just keeps rising.
 
> Poor bob.
 
I don't know. I read in msn/cnn (both leftist) that Trump is actually doing very well against ISIS because he has delegated operational decision making to the military entirely. If the military feels more bombs are necessary then that's ok with me.
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Aug 10 02:21AM +0300

bob kirjoitti 10.8.2017 klo 1:43:
 
> the fight between me and TT was a 1 round TKO. mercifully for TT, the
> ref stopped it.
 
> bob
 
Then you woke up semen in your pants.
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Aug 09 07:31PM -0400

>> ref stopped it.
 
>> bob
 
>Then you woke up semen in your pants.
 
my what a dirty mind you have.
 
bob
undecided <costasz@gmail.com>: Aug 09 04:39PM -0700

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 10:47:02 PM UTC-4, Carey wrote:
 
> > He should be able to. Who will take slams away from him?
 
> Father Time, as with the rest of us.
 
> Federer's thirty-six.
 
I thought that Fed was ready (or should have) to retire in 2012 but this 2nd life of his looks impressive. His foes are struggling and his overall game is better than ever.
stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: Aug 09 06:19PM -0500

On 8/8/2017 12:00 PM, TT wrote:
>> election, right?
 
> No. Despite being nothinburgers they were source for lots of negative
> nonsense news.
 
Trump was the target of far more negative news than Clinton. Hillary got
off easy.
 
 
 
 
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TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Aug 10 02:19AM +0300

bob kirjoitti 10.8.2017 klo 1:41:
 
>> Sure it was a nothingburger. They had what 9 investigations on Hillary
>> and she was cleared on all of them.
 
> cleared of what? benghazi wasn't her fault.
 
Exactly. That's why the investigations on her actions were nonsense.
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Aug 09 07:30PM -0400

>>> and she was cleared on all of them.
 
>> cleared of what? benghazi wasn't her fault.
 
>Exactly. That's why the investigations on her actions were nonsense.
 
i agree the investigations were politically motivated nonsense.
hillary did not cause benghazi, and though she wasn't on top of the
situation, it wasn't her fault.
 
however, her explanation afterward was a lie and it cost her
politically.
 
bob
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Aug 10 02:23AM +0300

bob kirjoitti 10.8.2017 klo 1:51:
> they outghta show trump doing something a little crazy, a little
> unpredictable, or like leaning up against a wall in a room with the
> "nuke button" there, etc.
 
The problem is... that may not be the best tactic with North Korea...
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Aug 10 02:18AM +0300

bob kirjoitti 10.8.2017 klo 1:35:
>> because of Russia investigation, on TV.
 
> and you pick now to believe trump? nope, can't give you that.
 
> bob
 
You reckon he purposefully lied in order to incriminate himself?
Of course not! Think.
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Aug 09 09:21PM +0200

> https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/dec/16/google-autocomplete-rightwing-bias-algorithm-political-propaganda
 
 
I've noticed people having trouble recently finding any
interesting and fun material.
 
 
 
 
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