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Saturday, August 12, 2017

stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: Aug 12 08:03AM -0500

> On 8/11/2017 11:04 PM, Manco wrote:
> because Rafa is winning 4 more French Opens to get to 19.
 
> If Fed finishes on 20, people will look at 14 French Opens > 20 slams overall.
 
Incorrect. No matter the mix, if Fed and Rafa each have 19 slams, they
will be regarded by all but partisans as co-GOATS.
 
Rafa needs at least 20 slams to be regarded as undisputed GOAT.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Aug 12 03:20PM +0200


> Incorrect. No matter the mix, if Fed and Rafa each have 19 slams, they
> will be regarded by all but partisans as co-GOATS.
 
> Rafa needs at least 20 slams to be regarded as undisputed GOAT.
 
 
We all know, deep down in our heart that 7543 nails it.
 
Yes, Nadal can make it close by winning similar number or slams,
can make them both co-goats by winning same number of slams, or
can make himself "arguably" goat by winning more slams or setting
ridiculous FO record...
 
 
But the guy with higher 7543 score will always be looked upon as a
guy with superior record by vast majority of tennis community.

 
Big cause for concern in Nadal's case for his legacy is this rapid
deterioration of boat-ish claims.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Aug 13 01:18AM +1000

On 12/08/2017 2:41 PM, Patrick Kehoe wrote:
>> Nothing short of that will be good enough for
>> Rafa fans!
 
> 2017 might well be the end for both of them...
 
 
Could be.
 
Fitting for both to win the same slam for their 1st & last.
 
 
 
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Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Aug 13 01:22AM +1000

On 12/08/2017 11:03 PM, stephenJ wrote:
 
> Rafa needs at least 20 slams to be regarded as undisputed GOAT.
 
If by goat you mean 'slam count king' then yes.
 
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PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Aug 12 06:55AM -0700

> Fed said during his on-court interview after Agut match, "the court is playing fast"...
 
Balls are flying for sure but it's very different than the US open.
Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Aug 12 07:03AM -0700

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 6:55:15 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> > Fed said during his on-court interview after Agut match, "the court is playing fast"...
 
> Balls are flying for sure but it's very different than the US open.
 
 
Problem is, it would be difficult for Fed to lose to Haase.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Aug 13 01:21AM +1000

On 12/08/2017 4:36 PM, The Iceberg wrote:
 
>>> Winning the USO should be his ultimate goal.
 
>> Well, watching him yesterday, Federer NEEDS matches... because his game is loose right now...
 
> why does Fed need matches? he can pretty much walk past these guys.
 
Exactly. Fed can just play the slams if he wants - maybe 1 tune-up
before each slam for fun.
 
 
 
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Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Aug 13 01:20AM +1000

On 12/08/2017 2:51 PM, Carey wrote:
>>> Sounds fun from here on in.
 
>> I agree. I like both Zverev and Shapovalov as young contenders at the moment and don't have a horse in the race but expect an interesting match. Gotta pull for Fed to keep rolling on what has turned out to be an unexpectedly amazing year. He hasn't lost in a slam or masters that he's competed in this year. Crazy at 35/36!
 
> You bet. Cool too to see some young fellers (finally) stepping up.
 
Yes, but let's not get too excited until they make some real noise in
slams. Q/f is not good enough.
 
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Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Aug 13 01:14AM +1000

On 12/08/2017 1:34 PM, Carey wrote:
 
>> P
 
> I thought Fed did pretty well at the AO this year with no tune-ups, but opinions
> will vary, for sure.
 
In what way will they vary? I think you're 100% wrong as opinions will
not vary at all.
 
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Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Aug 13 01:16AM +1000

On 12/08/2017 1:50 PM, Patrick Kehoe wrote:
 
> He's clearly looking for some match play to work out his timing issues...
 
> So, far none of his matches have been physical matches...
 
> P
 
I don't think Fed has any timing issues at all. He's just practicing
for USO. If USO started today you'd see a far more focused performance
from him.
 
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Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Aug 13 01:12AM +1000

On 12/08/2017 1:09 PM, SliceAndDice wrote:
 
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2017/08/06/alexander-zverev-might-be-tenniss-heir-to-the-big-four-enjoy-him-in-this-moment/?utm_term=.1085c3116d13
 
> If Zverev and Nadal meet each other in current form, I think Nadal is toast.
 
> I am very tempted to make Sascha the second favorite in New York (at this time), but his relatively poor record at the Slams so far gives me pause.
 
Remember Federer was completely useless in slams at even older age - eg
he lost 1st rd in 6 slams before finally winning 1. Even in 2002, the
yr after he beat Sampras, he lost 1st rd at Wimbledon & FO. Useless as
tits on a bull.
 
 
 
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Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Aug 13 01:06AM +1000

On 12/08/2017 10:27 AM, RaspingDrive wrote:
 
>> 'You Make Me Vomit'
 
> Clueless Whisper, shut the f up.
 
Beat it clown.
 
 
 
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Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Aug 13 01:03AM +1000

On 12/08/2017 7:36 AM, stephenJ wrote:
> test of time with zero erosion.
 
> Don't sleep on this chance to see the film in a real theater.
 
> A
 
I watched 'The Mummy' & 'Dr Strange' last couple of days. Both fun
flicks & give them both about 7. Russell Crowe is becoming a much
better character actor as he ages - far superior to Tom Cruise imo.
 
 
 
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undecided <costasz@gmail.com>: Aug 12 06:49AM -0700

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 9:29:08 AM UTC-4, Carey wrote:
> These guys play different, and it's nice to see. If Shap can continue to play
> like that he'll be formidable. He gets around the ball very well.
 
> A refreshing change from the safety-first crew.
 
Leaving out Thiem?
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Aug 13 12:58AM +1000

On 12/08/2017 4:52 AM, Court_1 wrote:
 
>> Hopefully the drought of new talent (with multi-slam winning potential) is over.
 
> They are the three to watch. Kyrgios has the talent but he doesn't care so I'm not sure how far he will go. Zverev appears to have the drive but he's a giant and a bit of ball-basher with no plan B. Shap has the more interesting game than Zverev does IMO.
> Let's hope Zverev and Shap continue to have the motivation to be the best they can be and can continue to take it to the top guys. I don't remember the youngsters being this bad for so long with nobody stepping up. It's ridiculous.
 
That's putting it mildly. The prizemoney structure needs to be
overhauled to reward effort/achievement. Something like you only
'unlock' the top tier prizemoney if you achieve certain milestones, like
beating 1 of the top 4 over a given timeframe (1 yr?). So for eg a
player who does beat a top 4 in the past 12 months will get 100% of the
przemoney for reaching a certain rd, otherwise they get 80%.
 
Say the prize for winning a tune-up is max 200k. You only get the 200k
if you have beaten a top 4 in previous 12 months, otherwise you get
160k. That will incentivize the player to really try & knock off a big
4 rather than mailing it in.
 
 
 
 
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Aug 12 03:43PM +0200

<https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_12>
 
 
August 12 is the 224th day of the year (225th in leap years ) in
the Gregorian calendar.
There are 141 days remaining until the end of the year.
This date is slightly more likely to fall on a Wednesday, Friday
or Sunday (58 in 400 years each) than on Monday or Tuesday (57),
and slightly less likely to occur on a Thursday or Saturday
(56).
 
 
Yet it happened. It's Saturday. The fact something is not likely,
doesn't mean it can't happen.
 
Fedfuckers seem not to have understood Whisper's prediction when
it comes to Federer at AO and Federer and Nadal at Wimbledon this
year.
 
 
Also, today is Sampras' birthday and his also his successor
Tsitsipas' with whom he shares many symbols, lucky numbers, name
letters etc.
 
 
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joh <joshorst@gmail.com>: Aug 12 07:51AM -0700

Op zaterdag 12 augustus 2017 15:43:55 UTC+2 schreef *skriptis:
 
> Also, today is Sampras' birthday and his also his successor
> Tsitsipas' with whom he shares many symbols, lucky numbers, name
> letters etc.
 
thanks, fascinating stuff
"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.com>: Aug 12 05:29PM +0300

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/world/americas/trump-venezuela-military.html
 
Lol.
 
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calimero377@gmx.de: Aug 12 07:51AM -0700

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 4:29:16 PM UTC+2, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/world/americas/trump-venezuela-military.html
 
> Lol.
 
That should be feasible.
 
 
Max
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Aug 13 12:38AM +1000

On 12/08/2017 3:52 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
> Why have a kid with a guy you barely know? what do you expect.
 
But this was different - this was 'true love' - until it went pear shaped.
 
 
 
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SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Aug 12 07:13AM -0700

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 12:55:00 AM UTC-4, Carey wrote:
 
> > It will be up to born 97-01(Zverev, Shap, auger-aliassime, ruud) to take over around 2018-2019.
 
> Well, Kyrgios isn't really in that group, at least by age... I hope he decides
> he wants it, because he too has 'it', and can be electrifying.
 
Agreed. Seeing Zverev and maybe Shap doing well might light a fire in his belly too. I also think Kokkinakis is a talented kid, has been very unlucky with injuries.
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Aug 12 07:21AM -0700

> Raonic, Nishikori, Tomic, Kyrgios and Dimitrov. They were as a group supposed to be dominating tennis by 2015 already and...
 
nothing. Combined 0 slams, 0 MS-1000, 0 weeks at #1, 0 YEC wins. Pathetic.
 
It will be up to born 97-01(Zverev, Shap, auger-aliassime, ruud) to take over around 2018-2019.
 
No one is going to take over the top four until the top four are physically old, retired or on disability.
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Aug 12 04:07PM +0200

GS+atpfinals+masters+oly
 
*51* - Federer (*19*+*6*+26+0)
47 - Djokovic (12+5+*30*+0)
46 - Nadal (15+0+*30*+1)
20 - Murray (3+1+14+*2*)
4 - Wawrinka (3+0+1+0)
2 - Cilic (1+0+1+0)
2 - Tsonga (0+0+2+0)
1 - del Potro (1+0+0+0)
1 - Haas (0+0+1+0)
1 - Berdych (0+0+1+0)
1 - Robredo (0+0+1+0)
1 - Ferrer (0+0+1+0)
1 - Zverev (0+0+1+0)
 
 
 
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Aug 12 09:55AM +0200


>> Could this be some sort of conspiracy?
>> Could Trump have something to do with this?
 
> What about the African conspiracy that has taken over the NBA?
 
 
You saying Russians are genetically predisposed for tennis like
blacks are for basketball?
 
I doubt it.
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calimero377@gmx.de: Aug 12 03:15AM -0700

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 9:55:17 AM UTC+2, *skriptis wrote:
 
> > What about the African conspiracy that has taken over the NBA?
 
> You saying Russians are genetically predisposed for tennis like
> blacks are for basketball?
 
When did I say that? Don't get your hopes up too much.
 
 
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