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Saturday, August 12, 2017

Brian W Lawrence <brian_w_lawrence@msn.com>: Aug 12 05:20PM +0100

On 11/08/2017 09:57, *skriptis wrote:
 
> they aim Moscow from Turkey, but otoh it's unacceptable that
> Soviets should aim Washington from Cuba. That was a bit weird way
> of thinking.
 
How long would it take a missile fired from within the Soviet Union
to reach Washington?
 
How long for a similar missile fired from Cuba to do the same?
 
Both Italy and Turkey wanted Jupiters in their countries for their
own defence - both countries would, eventually, have been able to
launch the missiles themselves, although the US intended to keep
control of the warheads.
 
To answer my own questions:
 
~25 mins.
 
<5 mins.
 
Oh, and Khruschev was trying to support and defend Castro against the
US following the Bay of Pigs 'invasion'. The Jupiters installed in
Italy & Turkey were borderline obsolete.
 
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calimero377@gmx.de: Aug 12 09:34AM -0700

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 11:17:00 PM UTC+2, soccerfan777 wrote:
> Those who advocate for peace are not cowards, dipshit!
 
Not all of them. But many.
The same type of people who close their windows and turn the radio on when their neighbor beats his wife.
 
 
Max
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Aug 12 06:41PM +0200


> Oh, and Khruschev was trying to support and defend Castro against the
> US following the Bay of Pigs 'invasion'. The Jupiters installed in
> Italy & Turkey were borderline obsolete.
 
 
But Castro "wanted" soviet missiles in Cuba as well. Also, US did
try to invade him, something soviet union didn't do at the time
in Turkey's case.
 
So what's next, major superpowers "fulfilling" all sorts of wishes
of their lackeys and vassals, or conducting responsible and sane
policy?
 
 
 
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RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Aug 12 09:05AM -0700

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 9:43:55 AM UTC-4, *skriptis wrote:
> (56).
 
> Yet it happened. It's Saturday. The fact something is not likely,
> doesn't mean it can't happen.
 
"Slightly less likely" became "not likely"? Nice Whisperian touch.
 
> Fedfuckers seem not to have understood Whisper's prediction when
> it comes to Federer at AO and Federer and Nadal at Wimbledon this
> year.
 
Common sense says one should never dis*count* a 15-slams champ on any *count*, including the slam *count* variety (!) Nadal is Nadal and is dangerous if given a chance to escape tricky early round(s).

> Also, today is Sampras' birthday and his also his successor
> Tsitsipas' with whom he shares many symbols, lucky numbers, name
> letters etc.
 
Happy Birthday Sampras, the fabulous erstwhile W record holder.
Brian W Lawrence <brian_w_lawrence@msn.com>: Aug 12 05:28PM +0100

On 12/08/2017 17:05, RaspingDrive wrote:
 
>> Yet it happened. It's Saturday. The fact something is not likely,
>> doesn't mean it can't happen.
 
> "Slightly less likely" became "not likely"? Nice Whisperian touch.
 
You beat me to that. Aug 12 2017 was 'always' going to be a Saturday -
or at least since the present calendar was established.
 
 
 
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RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Aug 12 09:39AM -0700

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 12:28:03 PM UTC-4, Brian W Lawrence wrote:
 
> > "Slightly less likely" became "not likely"? Nice Whisperian touch.
 
> You beat me to that. Aug 12 2017 was 'always' going to be a Saturday -
> or at least since the present calendar was established.
 
What Skriptis probably meant was that if one chose a random August 12 in a 400 year period, one was marginally less likely to have it fall on a Saturday. How he extrapolated "slightly less likely" to infer "not likely" beats me. In the Whisperian world such tactics are common place.
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Aug 12 09:27AM -0700

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 11:14:25 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
> > will vary, for sure.
 
> In what way will they vary? I think you're 100% wrong as opinions will
> not vary at all.
 
What the hell are you crapping on about?
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Aug 12 09:27AM -0700

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 11:16:25 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
 
> I don't think Fed has any timing issues at all. He's just practicing
> for USO. If USO started today you'd see a far more focused performance
> from him.
 
Duh! What a wasted post.
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Aug 12 09:38AM -0700

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 11:16:25 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
 
> If USO started today you'd see a far more focused performance
> from him.
 
 
Unless he faces Nadal in which case he will lose in straight sets according to you. :)
 
Nadal has to get by clowns on hc like Pouille, Dimitrov, Verdasco, etc. etc. He's lost to clown after clown on hc in the past few years. He stands on Mars to return a serve on hard court and he's been terrible on break points in big moments.
Manco <musefan2009@gmail.com>: Aug 12 09:01AM -0700

Look at the semis. Haase is Feddy's best buddy. Zverev & Shap literally have Feddy posters on their bedroom walls. Feddy has be laughing his ASS off right now.
 
Feddy would love semis from here on out to be exactly like this. No Rafa, no Djoker, no Murray, no Del Potro. Nobody who actually can stand up to him and punch him in the mouth.
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Aug 12 09:33AM -0700

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 12:01:28 PM UTC-4, Manco wrote:
 
> Haase is Feddy's best buddy.
 
Tommy "Haas" is Federer's buddy, not Robin "Haase"(who he is playing today.) *rolls eyes.*
 
> Zverev & Shap literally have Feddy posters on their bedroom walls. Feddy has be laughing his ASS off right now.
 
Federer is their idol but he's most young players' idol. Zverev and Shap don't appear to be types who lie down for anybody. They just need to develop more.
 

> Feddy would love semis from here on out to be exactly like this. No Rafa, no Djoker, no Murray, no Del Potro. Nobody who actually can stand up to him and punch him in the mouth.
 
Federer is afraid of Del Potro with Del Potro's bh these days? When was the last time Del Potro beat Federer? Murray? Get serious. Nadal is having problems reaching Federer OFF clay--how many bozos on hard court has Nadal lost to since he won his last hc title a few years ago?(Querrey, Coric, Lopez, Troicki, Pouille, Verdasco, Klizan, etc. etc.) The list is endless and Federer has defeated Nadal the last four times they played. Djokovic in his form of the last year and a half would be blitzed by Federer.
 
Forget all of those older guys--they are past their domination days even if Djokovic can come back and win a few more things. We have to look to players like Zverev and Shap to step up.
stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: Aug 12 10:36AM -0500

On 8/12/2017 10:22 AM, Whisper wrote:
>> will be regarded by all but partisans as co-GOATS.
 
>> Rafa needs at least 20 slams to be regarded as undisputed GOAT.
 
> If by goat you mean 'slam count king' then yes.
 
Like it or not, there is just no way Rafa can have the same or fewer
slams than Fed and have the tennis community consensus be that he is
GOAT. Ditto for Fed.
 
The slam king will be the GOAT.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Aug 12 08:53AM -0700

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 8:36:58 AM UTC-7, StephenJ wrote:
 
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I think Limpy's getting dizzy from all the spinning he's been doing after #8.
Hence this latest gambit.
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Aug 12 09:17AM -0700

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 9:21:01 AM UTC-4, *skriptis wrote:
> > will be regarded by all but partisans as co-GOATS.
 
> > Rafa needs at least 20 slams to be regarded as undisputed GOAT.
 
> We all know, deep down in our heart that 7543 nails it.
 
No, we don't. So stop insinuating it in the forlorn hope that it will gain eventual acceptance.
 
> can make them both co-goats by winning same number of slams, or
> can make himself "arguably" goat by winning more slams or setting
> ridiculous FO record...
 
What Jaros says is absolutely correct. In the real world slam count reigns supreme. If Fed stays at 19 and Rafa gets 20, he will be considered the undisputed achievement goat. IMO, however, 19 will suffice, even with four more FO's, since the H2H should also be a consideration for goat contenders.
 
> But the guy with higher 7543 score will always be looked upon as a
> guy with superior record by vast majority of tennis community.
 
I hope the gentle murmur that emanated from some quarters after Rafa's 15th slam did not escape you?
 
> Big cause for concern in Nadal's case for his legacy is this rapid
> deterioration of boat-ish claims.
 
All that will be considered rot if and when Rafa overhauls Federer's mark.
 
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Aug 12 09:18AM -0700

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 11:53:37 AM UTC-4, Carey wrote:
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> I think Limpy's getting dizzy from all the spinning he's been doing after #8.
> Hence this latest gambit.
 
Limpy! That is a nice word. No offense meant, whisper.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Aug 13 01:22AM +1000

On 12/08/2017 11:03 PM, stephenJ wrote:
 
> Rafa needs at least 20 slams to be regarded as undisputed GOAT.
 
If by goat you mean 'slam count king' then yes.
 
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RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Aug 12 09:29AM -0700

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 11:06:08 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
 
> >> 'You Make Me Vomit'
 
> > Clueless Whisper, shut the f up.
 
> Beat it clown.
 
Shut up, clueless fellow.
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Aug 12 09:24AM -0700

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 11:21:33 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
 
> > why does Fed need matches? he can pretty much walk past these guys.
 
> Exactly. Fed can just play the slams if he wants - maybe 1 tune-up
> before each slam for fun.
 
Good that he doesn't rely on advise from folks of your type. He would have fewer slams than 19!
acoustic@panix.com (lo yeeOn): Aug 12 04:17PM

But you know a necessary consequence of the severe economic sanctions
together with the loss of nuclear deterrence?
 
The impending August Strike will spell the doom of North Korea - a few
years down the road at the most, a la Iraq.
 
Iraq regime change was also preceded by severe sanctions and numerous
strikes plus a short but punishing war a dozen years before.
 
American exceptionalism will continue to reign. It will decide who
will or will not survive.
 
This two-step regime-change program will make it easy for the American
president.
 
Senator Graham didn't tell the world what Trump allegedly told him one
night for nothing! He represents the establishment which thinks that
"a few thousands of people" dying "over there" now is worth taking the
military option to counter a theoretical situation where thousands
would "die over here". This is called a "preventive war" - not a
preemptive one where you would see missiles coming your way and thus
activate your anti-missile defense to thwart the otherwise impending
disaster.
 
However, there is likely the same fiasco on the Korean peninsula which
we've seen in the aftermath of attacking Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya,
Syria, and others.
 
Or that the naysayers are wrong and there won't be. Then Trump will
be praised by the-powers-that-be, whose approval is necessary for him
to politically survive. They will spare him the ridiculous theater of
an impeachment. And he might even win a second term, don't you see?
 
Cheers,
 
lo yeeOn
 
In article <1493b2f1-5d37-415f-b4cc-58e814bd476d@googlegroups.com>,
John Liang <jliang70@gmail.com>: Aug 12 09:12AM -0700

On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 12:59:22 AM UTC+10, Whisper wrote:
 
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How much prize money do you think for a player winning GS without beating a top 4 player in a 12 months period?
Manco <musefan2009@gmail.com>: Aug 12 08:58AM -0700

You mean useless as tits on a boar! Feddy lost his first 16 slams in a row! What a choker!
stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: Aug 12 10:38AM -0500

On 8/12/2017 10:03 AM, Whisper wrote:
 
> I watched 'The Mummy' & 'Dr Strange' last couple of days. Both fun
> flicks & give them both about 7. Russell Crowe is becoming a much
> better character actor as he ages - far superior to Tom Cruise imo.
 
I liked Strange better but agree the Mummy isn't as bad as advertised.
Crowe used to have a very high profile but it sure has sunk the last 10
years, deserved or not.
 
 
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Aug 12 12:41PM +0200


>> You saying Russians are genetically predisposed for tennis like
>> blacks are for basketball?
 
> When did I say that? Don't get your hopes up too much.
 
 
Because there is a reason why blacks dominate basketball.
 
However apparent ethnic Russian new wave in tennis can be nothing
more than a coincidence.
 
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"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.com>: Aug 12 12:59PM +0300

SEOUL, South Korea — A few years ago, when I was a reporter working in
Pyongyang, North Korea's capital, I went to visit a kindergarten. While
I was there, I picked up a children's book called "A Hedgehog Defeats
the Tiger." It was a tale, a North Korean told me, about a feisty little
hedgehog that bests a much larger and fiendishly ravenous tiger using
the only weapons at its disposal: the small but sharp quills on its
back. The tiny but clever hedgehog pounces on the big nose of the
blundering tiger, blinding him into submission.
 
"Do you know who the tiger is?" the North Korean asked me, an American,
with a slight smirk.
 
From kindergarten classrooms to the halls of power, this is how North
Korea views itself: as a scrappy little country that has been bullied by
the United States for far too long and is willing to fight back.
 
If President Trump thinks that his threats last week of "fire and fury"
and weapons "locked and loaded" have North Koreans quaking in their
boots, he should think again.
 
From the time they are toddlers, North Koreans are raised to see the
United States as their enemy.
 
There is method to the madness. Mr. Kim is using the threat of attack
from the United States to enforce a sense of unity among North Koreans.
He knows that few things work better to inspire nationalism and
patriotism than the threat of invasion.
 
This propaganda is especially effective with Koreans, whose cultural
identity has been shaped by thousands of years of aggression from
outside forces: the Chinese, the Mongols, the Japanese, the Americans.
 
The regime has used this narrative to justify pouring more than a fifth
of its meager national budget into defense at a time when millions of
North Koreans go hungry every day.
 
Mr. Trump's fiery rhetoric mainly serves to advance Kim Jong-un's agenda
by giving him more reason and justification to build nuclear weapons
under the guise of protecting his people.
 
The savvy move by Washington would be to find a face-saving way to back
down from the escalating rhetoric and to stop giving Kim Jong-un what he
wants: propaganda victories and a justification to keep building bombs
and missiles.
 
But perhaps Mr. Trump is taking a page out of Mr. Kim's playbook: He's
drumming up fear and provoking America's enemies in order to distract
from his own problems and establish his reputation as a leader who can
defend his people, even if it comes at a cost to global peace and security.
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/11/opinion/sunday/trump-what-north-korea-wants.html
 
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-- Charles Cooke
calimero377@gmx.de: Aug 12 03:14AM -0700

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 11:59:29 AM UTC+2, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
 
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> -- Charles Cooke
 
 
No, I hope the orange clown gives NK what it doesn't want.
 
 
Max
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