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Tuesday, August 8, 2017

Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Aug 08 06:34PM -0700

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 5:55:33 PM UTC-7, bob wrote:
 
 
> while fed has a reasonable claim to both grass and hc goat, he's not
> the unamimous undisputed king at either. and he has no claim to clay.
 
I'd be interested to hear your reasoning on that first sentence, there
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Aug 08 06:39PM -0700

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 8:57:29 PM UTC-4, bob wrote:
 
> >Here is another arbitrary assignment. For 10 plus (arbitrary) slam winners it is enough to have 2 (arbitrary). Puts him in the elite Edberg category of W champs.
 
> there's a humongous difference between 2 and 3 wimbledons, IMO. if you
> want to call it "arbitrary" fine - i get to choose as it's my opinion.
 
This deal is good, you can choose whatever you want and I can call arbitrary whatever you choose ;)
 
> >It would prove more than that. He will be co-achievement goat along with Fed (should Fed remain at 19), and, arguably, the sole achievement goat (the H2H kicks in).
 
> if fed had 22 wimbledons and nothign else, and rafa had 22 FO and
> nothing else, who's GOAT?
 
15+ plus slam winners usually have slam wins on all surfaces, so your question is moot.
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Aug 08 06:44PM -0700

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 8:48:42 PM UTC-4, bob wrote:
> equal those guys tells me he could be GOAT far easier than with only
> 2.
 
> bob
 
You noticed one thing recently? Rafa got his 15th, a clay slam, and there was already murmur that he was back in the reckoning. Then Fed gets his W, increases the slam difference to the four it was before Rafa won his 15th and now Fed's back. Maybe it was W, but I believe it is the differential that increased from 3 to 4 that makes it more difficult to overhaul. For *GOAT contenders* it appears to be slam count, dear.
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Aug 08 10:25PM -0400

On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 18:34:15 -0700 (PDT), Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>
wrote:
 
 
>> while fed has a reasonable claim to both grass and hc goat, he's not
>> the unamimous undisputed king at either. and he has no claim to clay.
 
>I'd be interested to hear your reasoning on that first sentence, there
 
fed certainly has claims to both HC and grass GOAT. but in both, there
are others very close. rafa has nobody close on clay. being GOAT on 2
surfaces, arguably, and by thin margins, VS being true king on 1
surface, nowhere close on the other 2. anyway, fed's hardware is far
above rafa atm, we'll see how goes. go rafa!
 
like i said, would make an interesting thread IMO.
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Aug 08 10:29PM -0400

On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 18:44:15 -0700 (PDT), RaspingDrive
>> 2.
 
>> bob
 
>You noticed one thing recently? Rafa got his 15th, a clay slam, and there was already murmur that he was back in the reckoning. Then Fed gets his W, increases the slam difference to the four it was before Rafa won his 15th and now Fed's back. Maybe it was W, but I believe it is the differential that increased from 3 to 4 that makes it more difficult to overhaul. For *GOAT contenders* it appears to be slam count, dear.
 
i'm only giving my opinion. if rafa gets 19, i'm sure as jaros said
there will be many debates.
 
the H2H is also important to me, the fact rafa beat fed 9/12 of the
slam encounters is and was a huge detriment to fed. but fed won that
8th wimbledon this year. 19 and 8 wim is too much for a man with only
2 wim to overcome IMO. rafa needs badly a 3rd to get into mac/becker
territory on the lawns.
 
again, just my opinion. i'm sure many will claim rafa goat with 19.
(which isn't going to happen anyway).
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Aug 08 10:20PM -0400

On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 00:07:53 +1000, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>
wrote:
 
 
>But yes I thought this was a stunning shot to keep the match alive -
>hard to believe he even went for it, let alone hit it inch perfect under
>that kind of pressure. The look on Rafa's face was priceless.
 
 
i believe it was the 2nd greatest match i ever saw after mcenroe/borg
wimbledon 1980.
 
bob
Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Aug 08 07:26PM -0700

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 7:20:06 PM UTC-7, bob wrote:
 
> i believe it was the 2nd greatest match i ever saw after mcenroe/borg
> wimbledon 1980.
 
> bob
 
 
A lot of people say it was a great match overall, and for the final three
sets I'd agree, but I turned it off after watching the first two sets ATT.
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Aug 08 09:56PM -0400

On Sun, 6 Aug 2017 10:26:11 -0700 (PDT), Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>
wrote:
 
>> --
 
>They claim to have less subjective search results than Goog and the like.
>If you've done any reading about Goog's new algorithms, that might be of interest.
 
i have done some reading on goog's algorithms actually. alphabet and
facebook are 2 peas in a pod - tell them only what you want them to
know, hide that which you don't.
 
that's why numerous sources (or an unbiased search engine) are a
necessary alternative.
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Aug 08 09:59PM -0400

On Sun, 6 Aug 2017 11:01:44 -0700 (PDT), Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>
wrote:
 
 
>> From a meta search engine?
 
>Maybe you understand search engines and their algos better than me.
 
>That is certainly possible!
 
any search engine's algorithm is as good as the bias of the team
writing it.
 
bob
Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Aug 08 07:19PM -0700

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 6:59:25 PM UTC-7, bob wrote:
 
 
> any search engine's algorithm is as good as the bias of the team
> writing it.
 
> bob
 
...and, curiously, since Googie's very recent algorithm change (called 'Fred',
I believe), it has gotten much more difficult to find both sites and
decent, unburied search results...

surely a coincidence.
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Aug 08 10:17PM -0400

On Sun, 6 Aug 2017 17:56:53 -0400, TennisGuy <TGuy@techsavvy.com>
wrote:
 
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmpLSW47MPQ
 
>Just like a million other people did.
 
can you also post the last 5 games of the 08 wimbledon final?
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Aug 08 09:35PM -0400


>On Monday, August 7, 2017 at 5:25:17 PM UTC+2, Carey wrote:
>> //
 
>Neoliberal ideas are responsible for the huge economic progress the world has made in the last 40 years. In 1970 about 60 % of the world's population lived in poverty. Today it's only about 14 %.
 
i think 14% is a flat out lie.
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Aug 08 09:36PM -0400

On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 10:35:47 +0100, Brian W Lawrence
 
>> How can I confirm it? I don't know if it really happened, but I'm
>> impressed regardless.
 
>How will you be able to confirm anyone actually landing on Mars?
 
that's easy: tennisguy and scott will confirm.
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Aug 08 09:38PM -0400

>> Then we could be friends.
 
>Sorry, but Steffi was a herky-jerky bunny-hopper on the court. Worked
>for her, but was disconcerting to watch. :)
 
steffi's play was poetry in motion!
 
bob
Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Aug 08 06:43PM -0700

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 6:35:07 PM UTC-7, bob wrote:
 
> >Neoliberal ideas are responsible for the huge economic progress the world has made in the last 40 years. In 1970 about 60 % of the world's population lived in poverty. Today it's only about 14 %.
 
> i think 14% is a flat out lie.
 
> bob
 
 
As long as people allow the Few to frame the debate you'll keep hearing crap like this, despite the evidence of gross and rapidly increasing inequality all around us. Five white men now have a 'net worth' equal to half the Earth's
population. It won't last.
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Aug 08 10:16PM -0400

On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 18:43:41 -0700 (PDT), Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>
wrote:
 
 
>> bob
 
>As long as people allow the Few to frame the debate you'll keep hearing crap like this, despite the evidence of gross and rapidly increasing inequality all around us. Five white men now have a 'net worth' equal to half the Earth's
>population. It won't last.
 
in the usa alone, supposedly very rich country, it's way over 14% IMO.
i see it all around me every single day. i would have to think 1/3 in
the world, perhaps 1/2, lives in what i'd term poverty. i guess it's
in how you define "poverty."
 
and you know if the 50% is told (and believes) they're only
14%....well, you know. :-)
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Aug 08 10:03PM -0400

On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 18:08:20 -0700 (PDT), Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>
wrote:
 
 
>> No, it won't. Forget serve-volley, even rally-volley is not much a part of the game. Apart from Fed, the rest of the tour doesn't even know what a volley is, forget about hitting one.
 
>And it's a big loss. Standardized equipment could be part of an answer, if anyone wanted one. Make everyone play with an 80 square inch racket and gut.
>I *think* that was the size of a Head Edge. Ahh, the good old days...
 
i said yrs ago standardize the racket at 85sq in max and wood. i
preferred skill and angles to power.
 
bob
Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Aug 08 07:10PM -0700

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 7:03:14 PM UTC-7, bob wrote:
 
> i said yrs ago standardize the racket at 85sq in max and wood. i
> preferred skill and angles to power.
 
> bob
 
 
I agree about the wood part, possibly reinforced in the shoulders and head
like the Snauwaert and Kennex midsizes, but think 85 is too big. In fact,
I'd probably go down to 75 sq in. There is nothing, nothing, like hitting
the ball on the button with a wood racket.
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Aug 08 10:07PM -0400

On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 10:40:36 -0700 (PDT), Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>
wrote:
 
 
>> :)
 
>> P
 
>It's been fun to watch the anti-Fed crew tie themselves up in knots, post-Wimbledon. The cognitive dissonance must be rough!
 
i don't think i've seen anyone with any other theory outside "fed is
GOAT" post wimbledon.
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Aug 08 10:08PM -0400

On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 11:01:31 -0700 (PDT), Patrick Kehoe
 
>> > P
 
>> It's been fun to watch the anti-Fed crew tie themselves up in knots, post-Wimbledon. The cognitive dissonance must be rough!
 
>I was thinking the other day about all the posts, all the quite inventive parsing and detailing (informal analytics + rhetorical ideas) tossed around here over, say the last, 15 years or so... Which is to say the ramblings and ravings throughout the Federer-Nadal era. I thought of the rise of Nole and Murray, the fall off of Roddick (the great challenger who never was), the surface war debates, Dave into Superdave, the lost posters, Young GUNS, pronostications on WHO will rise up after Nole, tennis and media, GOAT definations and obcessiveness, KNIFE, Seles-Graf and then Serena-Graf (which is another formulation of GOAT-itus), the lost epic threads on technique differences and technical adaptations in tennis post-Sampras/Agassi, roll-calls, the FLAME&BLAME wars consumming RST c.2007-2011-ish... all of it...
 
and your conclusion?
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Aug 08 10:06PM -0400

On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 15:11:23 -0700 (PDT), The Iceberg
 
>> > Priceless.
 
>> Republicans and democrats are always held to different standards. How else does the Bush white house using RNC email for official business and deleting them, Pence using private email as IN gov, Romney erasing gov't emails in MA at the end of his term, Powell using AOL email as secretary of state all have no consequence but Hillary's private server is some big deal?
 
>you mean like Hillary proposing a wall against Mexico in 2006 and Trump proposing a wall against Mexico in 2016?
 
bill clinton, in the 90s btw, was strongly anti illegal mexican
immigration. bush was more open, elected from texas, sister n law
mexican, etc. congress gave bill c standing ovations during "stop
mexican gangs" speeches. and hillary was against gay marriage.
political opportunists.
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Aug 08 09:49PM -0400

On Sun, 6 Aug 2017 12:24:07 -0700 (PDT), Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>
wrote:
 
>https://theintercept.com/2017/08/05/whats-worse-trumps-campaign-agenda-or-empowering-generals-and-cia-operatives-to-subvert-it/
 
"Trump, as a matter of rhetoric, repeatedly affirmed policy positions
that were directly contrary to long-standing bipartisan orthodoxy, and
his policy and personal instability only compounded elites' fears that
he could not be relied upon to safeguard their lucrative,
power-vesting agenda. In so many ways — due to his campaign positions,
his outsider status, his unstable personality, his witting and
unwitting unmasking of the truth of U.S. hegemony, the embarrassment
he causes in Western capitals, his reckless unpredictability — Trump
posed a threat to their power centers."
 
seems i wasn't the only person in the country to realize what's going
on.
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Aug 08 09:32PM -0400

On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 10:09:20 +0100, Brian W Lawrence
 
>Only 5 percent said they trust all of the information coming from the
>administration."
 
that's 3% higher than normal.
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Aug 08 09:33PM -0400

On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 03:37:55 -0700 (PDT), The Iceberg
 
>CNN Lol
>Brian just can't get enough of em too!
 
i know. i'm about to give up on bryan.
 
bob
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