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Saturday, August 5, 2017

TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Aug 06 04:37AM +0300

Carey kirjoitti 6.8.2017 klo 4:16:
> Judith Miller and Michael Gordon of Saddam Hussein's nonexistent 'weapons of mass destruction' when the Few needed an excuse to 1) plunder Iraq and 2) create
> a self-licking ice cream cone for the War Business that exists to this day...
 
> real news indeed...
 
WAPO and NYT are the few high quality US papers which actually do in
depth real journalism, digging up stuff themselves.
 
As for weapons of mass destruction - I believe that news came from
Republican government... hardly a sign of bias and being left-wing!
Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Aug 05 06:55PM -0700

On Saturday, August 5, 2017 at 6:37:54 PM UTC-7, TT wrote:
> depth real journalism, digging up stuff themselves.
 
> As for weapons of mass destruction - I believe that news came from
> Republican government... hardly a sign of bias and being left-wing!
 
 
? somebody parse this
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Aug 05 10:01PM -0400


>> equally biased. no more no less.
 
>> bob
 
>Breitbart & Trump tweets are equally biased as New York Times? I see.
 
absolutely. just done in a more shifty and PC way.
 
>Is the quality of reporting the same as well?
 
no, that's where the NYT uses it's shifty skill to make it seem more
"real." but it's not. a turd in a suit still smells.
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Aug 05 10:02PM -0400


>> real news indeed...
 
>WAPO and NYT are the few high quality US papers which actually do in
>depth real journalism, digging up stuff themselves.
 
maybe they used to.
 
>As for weapons of mass destruction - I believe that news came from
>Republican government... hardly a sign of bias and being left-wing!
 
and MSM went along just fine with it. back when the power was the
other way...
 
bob
Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Aug 05 07:06PM -0700

On Saturday, August 5, 2017 at 7:02:13 PM UTC-7, bob wrote:
 
 
> and MSM went along just fine with it. back when the power was the
> other way...
 
> bob
 
 
This, except that should read "when the power was the 'other way'..."
 
There's only one party in USA!.
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Aug 06 05:15AM +0300

bob kirjoitti 6.8.2017 klo 5:02:
 
> and MSM went along just fine with it. back when the power was the
> other way...
 
> bob
 
Republican presidents then and now.
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Aug 06 04:44AM +0300

bob kirjoitti 6.8.2017 klo 4:17:
 
> ?
 
> i'm talking about investigating your opponents. you think hillary
> didn't investigate bernie and trump? you silly boy.
 
Watergate was digging dirt with criminal means, same as Trump collaboration.
 
>> Nixon was just being a corrupt politician - nothing wrong with that!!!
 
> nixon never ordered the break ins, he was shocked when he found out.
 
You actually believe that? Geez.
 
And Trump didn't know either that Russia hacked anything. They were just
having tee with the Russians, wishing happy New Year by phone and
discussing about abortion. LOL
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Aug 06 04:46AM +0300

Carey kirjoitti 6.8.2017 klo 4:26:
 
>> and btw, nixon and hillary are like twins in personality.
 
>> bob
 
> More than a little truth there,
 
Perhaps, but much better comparison would be between Nixon and Trump.
Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Aug 05 06:49PM -0700

On Saturday, August 5, 2017 at 6:46:25 PM UTC-7, TT wrote:
 
> > More than a little truth there,
 
> Perhaps, but much better comparison would be between Nixon and Trump.
 
 
 
No. Nixon was nothing like Trump, and I've been around for both, I'm sorry to say.
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Aug 06 04:51AM +0300

bob kirjoitti 6.8.2017 klo 4:30:
 
> i was a bit too young for it live, but i've watched all the
> president's men about a dozen times. hope it's a reasonable portrayal!
 
> bob
 
You should also watch No Way Out (1987).
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Aug 05 09:55PM -0400


>Doesn't matter, backdoor meetings with someone who stole info on your
>opponent is still collaboration. And doing it with foreign power is even
>worse.
 
collaboration, exactly!
 
btw, you should really check the difference between collusion and
collaboration.
 
 
>> but there's NO promise of any return favor. and NO return favor has
>> been given.
 
>I only established at this point the digging dirt part. You seem to agree.
 
i absolutely agree that podesta was phished, and hillary and the DNC
likely hacked.
 
but i see no collusion, and until you can prove - or even make me
believe - it exists, well....
 
 
>> i absolutely know of it. russian/ukranian battles are their own IMO.
 
>You absolutely know nothing about it. Trump tried to lift sanctions
>without getting anything in reply from Russia.
 
what exactly would you expect in return? if russia and the ukraine
are having an internal conflict, the USA should stay out of it IMO
unless it directly affects us. and who's to say that ukraine's right?
 
>Googling first link about it:
>http://nordic.businessinsider.com/trump-wanted-to-lift-russia-sanctions-days-after-taking-office-2017-6?r=US&IR=T
 
bob
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Aug 06 04:57AM +0300

Carey kirjoitti 6.8.2017 klo 4:49:
 
>> Perhaps, but much better comparison would be between Nixon and Trump.
 
> No. Nixon was nothing like Trump, and I've been around for both, I'm sorry to say.
 
Well Trump probably has around 60 points lower IQ than Nixon/Hillary.
 
But you're probably still wrong when it comes to personality. Nixon
thought he could do anything as does Trump.
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Aug 05 09:59PM -0400


>> i'm talking about investigating your opponents. you think hillary
>> didn't investigate bernie and trump? you silly boy.
 
>Watergate was digging dirt with criminal means, same as Trump collaboration.
 
again - collaboration is not illegal; collusion is. don't mix them up.
i should've let you rattle on a few months using the wrong word but
i'll correct you early on.
 
collusion, IMO, would necessitate promising - or actually doing - a
favor for russia to the USA's detriment. not doing a mutually
beneficial "favor" btw.
 
>>> Nixon was just being a corrupt politician - nothing wrong with that!!!
 
>> nixon never ordered the break ins, he was shocked when he found out.
 
>You actually believe that? Geez.
 
there are tapes that actually prove it, but it doesn't matter to me,
i'm no nixon defender or fan.
 
>And Trump didn't know either that Russia hacked anything.
 
i don't care if he knew. i care if he did anything to promote it or
promised a favor that was in the USA's detriment. that would be a big
problem, and if he did that, he should be ousted. i'm quite sure he
didn't, and i'm even more sure that it won't be proven. of course if
congress hates him that much, anyone can be impeached for any reason.
just like any war against WMD can be started for any reason.
 
> They were just having tee with the Russians, wishing happy New Year by phone and
>discussing about abortion. LOL
 
tea.
 
bob
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Aug 06 05:03AM +0300

bob kirjoitti 6.8.2017 klo 4:55:
 
>> Googling first link about it:
>> http://nordic.businessinsider.com/trump-wanted-to-lift-russia-sanctions-days-after-taking-office-2017-6?r=US&IR=T
 
> bob
 
Read the fucking link for once and shut up...
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Aug 05 10:10PM -0400

>>> http://nordic.businessinsider.com/trump-wanted-to-lift-russia-sanctions-days-after-taking-office-2017-6?r=US&IR=T
 
>> bob
 
>Read the fucking link for once and shut up...
 
i think trump came into power thinking that an adversarial relation
with russia was no longer in the usa's best interests and acted
accordingly. i myself couldn't figure out why we've carried on this
long to begin with. while germany and japan build cars, hospitals,
roads and bullet trains.
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Aug 05 10:11PM -0400

>> president's men about a dozen times. hope it's a reasonable portrayal!
 
>> bob
 
>You should also watch No Way Out (1987).
 
costner as the mole? seen it twice. nice love story. :-)
 
bob
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Aug 06 05:13AM +0300

bob kirjoitti 6.8.2017 klo 4:59:
 
> collusion, IMO, would necessitate promising - or actually doing - a
> favor for russia to the USA's detriment. not doing a mutually
> beneficial "favor" btw.
 
Just because one doesn't give anything in exchange for stolen property
doesn't make receiving it ok.
 
> didn't, and i'm even more sure that it won't be proven. of course if
> congress hates him that much, anyone can be impeached for any reason.
> just like any war against WMD can be started for any reason.
 
I guess Trump wanted sanctions off out of goodness of his heart then...
 
Rest of the free world & US congress didn't agree.
 
>> discussing about abortion. LOL
 
> tea.
 
> bob
 
I know how it's spelled...
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Aug 05 10:14PM -0400


>Well Trump probably has around 60 points lower IQ than Nixon/Hillary.
 
>But you're probably still wrong when it comes to personality. Nixon
>thought he could do anything as does Trump.
 
 
nixon and hillary have the same paranoid power thirsty personalities.
trump waited til age 70 to run for office. trump may have personality
probs, but far different form nixary.
 
bob
Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Aug 05 06:47PM -0700

On Saturday, August 5, 2017 at 6:26:25 PM UTC-7, bob wrote:
 
> aww, that's gotta hurt. TT would shoot podesta in the head if he
> could. :-))
 
> bob
 
 
"Hillary never fails; she can only be failed."
 
 
"stupid voters"
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Aug 06 04:47AM +0300

bob kirjoitti 6.8.2017 klo 4:26:
 
> aww, that's gotta hurt. TT would shoot podesta in the head if he
> could. :-))
 
> bob
 
Why? Nothing against Podesta, smart man.
 
And there actually was NOTHING in his emails. Rather boring fella.
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Aug 05 09:50PM -0400

>> could. :-))
 
>> bob
 
>Why? Nothing against Podesta, smart man.
 
he's not as good a "phisherman" as putin.
 
>And there actually was NOTHING in his emails. Rather boring fella.
 
other than hillary's email address, no. lol!!
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Aug 05 08:58PM -0400

and TT. has a nice ring to it.
TPP-TT-TPP-TT. sing it!
 
bob
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Aug 06 05:02AM +0300

bob kirjoitti 6.8.2017 klo 4:50:
 
>> And there actually was NOTHING in his emails. Rather boring fella.
 
> other than hillary's email address, no. lol!!
 
> bob
 
And what's wrong with that. Are you really blind enough not to see that
there was nothing there and all the 'controversies' rising from Podesta
emails were completely manufactured...
 
Or, can you name a controversy arising from Podesta's emails without
googling it up? You can't. Now THAT was a real 'nothingburger'.
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Aug 05 10:08PM -0400


>And what's wrong with that. Are you really blind enough not to see that
>there was nothing there and all the 'controversies' rising from Podesta
>emails were completely manufactured...
 
? to us that have held ts clearances, what hillary did was criminal.
and the reason she did it was even more criminal.
 
the fact nobody knew about it til podesta, well, what are you saying?
that "nothing" came out of hillary's email server situation? and the
33,000 emails she deleted many with classified info? that it wasn't a
campain issue?
 
what on earth are you smokin tonight TT?
 
>Or, can you name a controversy arising from Podesta's emails without
>googling it up? You can't. Now THAT was a real 'nothingburger'.
 
i just did. no foogling.
 
bob
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com>: Aug 06 01:45AM

On Sat, 05 Aug 2017 21:28:22 -0400, bob wrote:
 
> the only word missing from my post was "only" (after NYC) which i
> clarified in subsequent posts immediately, as i realized it was vague.
 
lol, adding "only" doesn't change a thing. Nor does it have anything to
do with what Pelle said.
 
 
 
> see, a simple misread on your part - and a missing word on mine - lead
> to an evening wasted!
 
Hey, if you're spending your evening turning yourself into a human
pretzel rather than admitting you were wrong that's your problem. I'm
certainly not :)
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