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Sunday, August 13, 2017

The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Aug 13 03:47PM -0700

On Sunday, 13 August 2017 22:31:14 UTC+1, RaspingDrive wrote:
> > magic.
> > --
 
> Interestingly "out of sorts" Nadal beats Zverev (AO 2017), while "out of sorts" Federer loses to Zverev (Montreal 2017).
 
LOLOL Patrick McEnroe got it wrong way round, everyone knows Fed is AT PEAK!!! :D
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Aug 13 03:19PM -0700

On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 5:21:52 PM UTC-4, TT wrote:
> Karma is a bitch, fedfuckers.
 
> Well done Zverev!
 
Federer OR Nadal should not be dominating the tour at their ages. It's not natural. But this is only a tune-up and doesn't necessarily indicate anything for the USO. Fed was not dialed in for whatever reasons, i.e. maybe he felt a twinge, maybe he didn't eat his spinach, whatever.
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Aug 13 03:44PM -0700

On Sunday, 13 August 2017 23:19:48 UTC+1, Court_1 wrote:
> > Karma is a bitch, fedfuckers.
 
> > Well done Zverev!
 
> Federer OR Nadal should not be dominating the tour at their ages. It's not natural. But this is only a tune-up and doesn't necessarily indicate anything for the USO. Fed was not dialed in for whatever reasons, i.e. maybe he felt a twinge, maybe he didn't eat his spinach, whatever.
 
yes much as I like Zverev, it doesn't mean much, also if the guy was serving at 140mph+ it just following the rule that peak Fed only losing to those type of crazy level games, which you hardly ever get at the slams. Still at least Zverev is going out there with the aim of beating Fed and winning tournaments, none of the other younger players seem interested in doing that.
Jason White <infiniti_g35_guy88@yahoo.com>: Aug 13 02:40PM -0700

On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 2:19:04 PM UTC-7, StephenJ wrote:
> Zverev wins Montreal! Well done Z!
 
Should reach second week of US Open, at least. Only a matter of time that he's lifting the biggest trophies. Z's got huge game.
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Aug 13 03:41PM -0700

On Sunday, 13 August 2017 22:40:38 UTC+1, Jason White wrote:
> On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 2:19:04 PM UTC-7, StephenJ wrote:
> > Zverev wins Montreal! Well done Z!
 
> Should reach second week of US Open, at least. Only a matter of time that he's lifting the biggest trophies. Z's got huge game.
 
he always been my pick of them, but I still skeptical about him at slams as his performance has been very poor in them.
SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Aug 13 02:40PM -0700

On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 5:26:49 PM UTC-4, AZ wrote:
> On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 3:22:09 AM UTC+6, SliceAndDice wrote:
> > Even before Roger got injured, was looking pretty darn formidable. Has not yet proved himself at the slams yet, but has improved by leaps and bounds since JCF joined his team.
 
> 5 setters are different. The field is more diverse. Lots of unknown surprises. USO is building up to be Zverev's breakout slam, just like Djokovic and Murray many years before him. But he has to prove himself. He beat Djok this year in a clay masters only to crash out in the 1R in Roland Garros.
 
I do not disagree with you, but Zverev is looking like a different player this summer. All the elements of his game seem to working in unison. His second serve was massive today.
Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Aug 13 02:43PM -0700

On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 2:31:59 PM UTC-7, SliceAndDice wrote:
> Why is the idea laughable? Zverev is unbeaten on hard courts this summer so far.
 
 
Who else *but* Sascha can be seen, for now, as USO favorite?
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Aug 13 02:45PM -0700

> I do not disagree with you, but Zverev is looking like a different player this summer. All the elements of his game seem to working in unison. His second serve was massive today.
 
What happened this summer?
SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Aug 13 02:47PM -0700

On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 5:43:26 PM UTC-4, Carey wrote:
> On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 2:31:59 PM UTC-7, SliceAndDice wrote:
> > Why is the idea laughable? Zverev is unbeaten on hard courts this summer so far.
 
> Who else *but* Sascha can be seen, for now, as USO favorite?
 
Well, Fed and Nadal, simply for their Grand Slam credentials. I guess Cincy will give us more info. I almost feel Sascha should tank or withdraw from Cincy to keep himself fresh for New York.
Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Aug 13 02:48PM -0700

On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 2:45:58 PM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> > I do not disagree with you, but Zverev is looking like a different player this summer. All the elements of his game seem to working in unison. His second serve was massive today.
 
> What happened this summer?
 
 
216 kph second serves, for one thing. ;)
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Aug 13 02:48PM -0700

> Well, Fed and Nadal, simply for their Grand Slam credentials. I guess Cincy will give us more info. I almost feel Sascha should tank or withdraw from Cincy to keep himself fresh for New York.
 
Zverev is young and he would have no problem playing everyday.
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Aug 13 02:53PM -0700

>216 kph second serves, for one thing. ;)
 
lol
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Aug 13 03:25PM -0700

On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 5:43:26 PM UTC-4, Carey wrote:
> On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 2:31:59 PM UTC-7, SliceAndDice wrote:
> > Why is the idea laughable? Zverev is unbeaten on hard courts this summer so far.
 
> Who else *but* Sascha can be seen, for now, as USO favorite?
 
Obviously Federer and Nadal are the favorites(if both are healthy) simply based on their slam pedigrees but Zverev would probably be a solid third choice. It's hc though and fluke wins and losses can happen.
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Aug 13 03:38PM -0700

On Sunday, 13 August 2017 22:48:13 UTC+1, Carey wrote:
> > > I do not disagree with you, but Zverev is looking like a different player this summer. All the elements of his game seem to working in unison. His second serve was massive today.
 
> > What happened this summer?
 
> 216 kph second serves, for one thing. ;)
 
so Fed only lost to guy who was serving 140mph! now what does that remind me of?
Manco <musefan2009@gmail.com>: Aug 13 03:02PM -0700

No no and no. Federer looks done, baby done.
Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Aug 13 03:17PM -0700

On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 3:02:19 PM UTC-7, Manco wrote:
> No no and no. Federer looks done, baby done.
 
You are more likely right than not, but I'm still gonna hope
for a healthy Fed at USO 2017.
Jason White <infiniti_g35_guy88@yahoo.com>: Aug 13 03:16PM -0700

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 9:49:35 PM UTC-7, Manco wrote:
> Raonic, Nishikori, Tomic, Kyrgios and Dimitrov. They were as a group supposed to be dominating tennis by 2015 already and...
 
> nothing. Combined 0 slams, 0 MS-1000, 0 weeks at #1, 0 YEC wins. Pathetic.
 
> It will be up to born 97-01(Zverev, Shap, auger-aliassime, ruud) to take over around 2018-2019.
 
Big Z intends to take over tennis tour soon. Could be too late for Ouchihurti and Dimitrov. But maybe this will help Kyrgios get serious?
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Aug 13 02:40PM -0700

On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 5:20:46 PM UTC-4, TT wrote:
> PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 14.8.2017 klo 0:12:
> > I have been saying it was wrong to play in Canada. Hopefully it's not serious.
 
> What's supposed to be wrong - other than Zverev simply playing better...
 
Z played very well. Fed's serve deserted him and he also ran out of ideas when Z became increasingly pugnacious.
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Aug 13 02:42PM -0700

On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 5:33:16 PM UTC-4, SliceAndDice wrote:
> We are actually hoping he isnt injured and just got beaten fair and square.
 
He got beaten fair and square. Maybe a bad day for him. Credit to Zverev.
SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Aug 13 02:43PM -0700

On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 5:38:24 PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote:
> > > Now I doubt he will play Cinci
 
> > And if he does then he wasn't injured...
 
> It doesn't mean that at all. Something was wrong with Federer(he was serving 20km less than he normally does) but maybe he felt a twinge and didn't want to press it for a Masters 1000? He's OLD for a pro tennis player!
 
I am hoping that is all it is. He was looking pretty cheerful during the trophy presentation and did not call for a trainer, so hopefully his checking out of the match in set 2 was more precautionary.
SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Aug 13 02:45PM -0700

On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 5:42:29 PM UTC-4, RaspingDrive wrote:
> On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 5:33:16 PM UTC-4, SliceAndDice wrote:
> > We are actually hoping he isnt injured and just got beaten fair and square.
 
> He got beaten fair and square. Maybe a bad day for him. Credit to Zverev.
 
He clearly checked out in set 2 (not taking anything away from Zverev, who was invincible today).
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Aug 13 02:51PM -0700

On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 5:45:26 PM UTC-4, SliceAndDice wrote:
> > > We are actually hoping he isnt injured and just got beaten fair and square.
 
> > He got beaten fair and square. Maybe a bad day for him. Credit to Zverev.
 
> He clearly checked out in set 2 (not taking anything away from Zverev, who was invincible today).
 
It was somewhat akin to the Cinci 2013 defeat he suffered against Nadal. His serve having deserted him, Zverev cranking his serves to mid 130's and out-acing Fed, his other trouble-shooting strategies failing, Federer saw the writing on the wall. He sort of tanked after that, but only after he realized there was no way out of a loss. Z won fair and square.
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Aug 14 12:54AM +0300

RaspingDrive kirjoitti 14.8.2017 klo 0:51:
 
>>> He got beaten fair and square. Maybe a bad day for him. Credit to Zverev.
 
>> He clearly checked out in set 2 (not taking anything away from Zverev, who was invincible today).
 
> It was somewhat akin to the Cinci 2013 defeat he suffered against Nadal. His serve having deserted him, Zverev cranking his serves to mid 130's and out-acing Fed, his other trouble-shooting strategies failing, Federer saw the writing on the wall. He sort of tanked after that, but only after he realized there was no way out of a loss. Z won fair and square.
 
Thanks for the analysis.
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Aug 13 02:56PM -0700

> It was somewhat akin to the Cinci 2013 defeat he suffered against Nadal. His serve having deserted him, Zverev cranking his serves to mid 130's and out-acing Fed, his other trouble-shooting strategies failing, Federer saw the writing on the wall. He sort of tanked after that, but only after he realized there was no way out of a loss. Z won fair and square.
 
Congrats for Zverev and if I remember correctly he beat healthy Federer few days before the AO 2017 and Federer won the AO.
 
I hope Federer is going to be healthy for the US open, the courts in Canada were the shittiest preparation for the US open and as I stated many times useless for Federer.
TennisGuy <TGuy@techsavvy.com>: Aug 13 05:51PM -0400

On 8/13/2017 2:53 PM, Court_1 wrote:
>> Federer etc.
 
> Shapovalov is calm on court? What are you watching? He's more calm
> than Zverev is
 
I think you should go back and read what I said.
I didn't say Shap is calm. He is more excitable than Zverev
and shows his emotions more readily than Zverev.
 
 
> lumps personality-wise and who can speak an intelligible sentence off
> court and who can be potential leaders of the sport and be good
> ambassadors.
 
Judging by how the two (Shap and Zverev) conducted themselves in their
last two on-court interviews/speeches there's no question in my mind
that Zverev is the one with more between his ears.
 
He produced an excellent speech and presence at the Rogers trophy ceremony.
 
 
 
>> Shap is just a little too excitable for my tastes.
 
> How so? What has he done (other than that incident with the ump) that
> makes him appear excitable on court?
 
Too much machismo display after points won.
Just smile and move on to the next point.
 
 
> I like Shap because I like his tennis style(he has flair and
> elegance), his demeanor on court, his will to do BiG things and his
> ease(seemingly) in the limelight.
 
Shap is OK, but I prefer Zverev's on court demeanor.
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