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Friday, August 11, 2017

Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: Aug 11 12:29AM -0700

On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 8:10:14 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
> On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 11:06:43 PM UTC-4, SliceAndDice wrote:
> > I believe Canada is all set to enter a golden age in tennis. The other kid Auger-Aliassime may be even more talented than Shap.
 
> Shap is fabulous. He's got the full package--talent, belief and motivation!
 
And exciting player to watch, needless to say... bodes well for his future... kid loves the big challenges and seems to be learning LITERALLY match to match... amazing... being 18 its all discovery and adventure and commitment... wonderful to see... He hit 28 forehand winners to Rafa's 5... something like that...
 
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kaennorsing <ljubitsis@hotmail.com>: Aug 11 02:09AM -0700

Op vrijdag 11 augustus 2017 04:40:34 UTC+2 schreef SliceAndDice:
> You seem to be implying that he directed the ball at the umpire willfully (correct me if I am wrong) which, if you have information that I do not, is a much more serious offense and should have cost him more than a match default. I think he struck the ball in anger caused by losing his serve and horribly misdirected it.
 
Not really. I know he didn't intend to hit it to the umpire. He looks like a good kid. Still, lucky he didn't kill him and I'm sure he learned his lesson and will never again hit a ball in such anger towards anyone nearby...
 
Anyway, he's sure earning likeability points with his game and his win over Rafa today!
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Aug 11 07:11PM +1000

On 11/08/2017 1:10 PM, Court_1 wrote:
> On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 11:06:43 PM UTC-4, SliceAndDice wrote:
>> I believe Canada is all set to enter a golden age in tennis. The other kid Auger-Aliassime may be even more talented than Shap.
 
> Shap is fabulous. He's got the full package--talent, belief and motivation!
 
Has to do it in a slam to really count.
 
 
 
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SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Aug 11 04:32AM -0700

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 3:29:55 AM UTC-4, Patrick Kehoe wrote:
 
> > Shap is fabulous. He's got the full package--talent, belief and motivation!
 
> And exciting player to watch, needless to say... bodes well for his future... kid loves the big challenges and seems to be learning LITERALLY match to match... amazing... being 18 its all discovery and adventure and commitment... wonderful to see... He hit 28 forehand winners to Rafa's 5... something like that...
 
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PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Aug 11 02:52AM -0700

Unfair, unfair, lol
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Aug 11 11:53AM +0200

> Unfair, unfair, lol
 
Nadal has won in Montreal, Federer hasn't.
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SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Aug 11 04:31AM -0700

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 5:53:34 AM UTC-4, *skriptis wrote:
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Federer has won Canadian Open twice, does not matter which city he won it in.
AZ <arnab.zaheen@gmail.com>: Aug 11 12:34AM -0700

On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 10:41:08 PM UTC+6, Patrick Kehoe wrote:
> Rafa has been "all business" since he arrived in Canada. Friends of mine who are covering the Rogers Cup in Montreal tell me he's been stone faced and focused all week so far, at practice, walking the grounds and with most of the media. The sense some are taking away from his keen business approach centers around the perception that Rafa sees the Rogers Cup as a likely showdown venue against Federer. Having spoken with a member of the Nadal camp, one of my former writers tells me Rafa has been preping to try and put an end to Federer's run of wins against him ASAP, meaning in Montreal, should they make the final. Also, Rafa feels that his draw stacks up as one of the most challenging he's faced at a Masters level event this season.
 
> P
 
Lol poor Rafa just lost to a newcomer.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Aug 11 06:57PM +1000

On 11/08/2017 5:03 AM, stephenJ wrote:
 
> Nadal has only one goal: To finish his career regarded as undisputed
> GOAT. Beating Fed at slams is the only path forward on that.
 
It's also fitting they play at USO at least once. We've seen Nadal v
Djoker & Fed v Djoker at all 4 slams. Very strange we haven't yet seen
Fed v Nadal. It would be fitting to have a blockbuster 5 set final,
which may ultimately determine slam count king.
 
Right now Fed is fave. I'd go for 'beast mode' Rafa to win, but it's
not easy getting Rafa to that level.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Aug 11 11:01AM +0200

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> While you Samprasfuckers (turned neo-Nadalfuckers) pretend that Wimbledon 2008 was a blowout in Rafa's favor. If you weren't the most hypocritical poster in this group, people might actually take you seriously.
 
Wimbledon 2008 was a close, true, but the thing is at the time,
every match they played was always close, and yet Nadal was
winning them.
 
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Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Aug 11 07:03PM +1000

On 11/08/2017 9:03 AM, Carey wrote:
 
>> Hope he loses.
 
> Based on what I saw of the Ferrer match, you might be right about all that.
 
Fed doesn't have sufficient variety in his game to combat the slight
differences between hardcourts. I'm glad we all are in agreeance on
something re Fed.
 
 
 
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Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Aug 11 07:06PM +1000

On 11/08/2017 9:44 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
 
> And 30 is the new 20
 
20 is the new 10? Explains why many of the young are so juvenile /stupid.
 
 
 
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John Liang <jliang70@gmail.com>: Aug 11 03:10AM -0700

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 7:04:11 PM UTC+10, Whisper wrote:
 
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That pretty much underline your bottom tier tennis analytical skill. If Federer has not sufficient variety in his game to combat the slight difference between hard courts then you will have to explain how did this guy win 7 time at Cincinnati, 5 times at Indian Wells, 3 times at Miami and twice at Canadian and once in Shanghai, then there is 5 AO and USO titles. So who in your opinion had better variety to combat the slight difference between hard courts ? Sampras won 3 times at Cincinatti, 2 times at Indian Wells and 3 times at Miami. Agassi won 13 MS hard court events and 6 grand slam on HC. Djoker is the only active player who won more master series title on HC but has 2 fewer HC slams.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Aug 11 08:16PM +1000

On 11/08/2017 8:10 PM, John Liang wrote:
 
> That pretty much underline your bottom tier tennis analytical skill. If Federer has not sufficient variety
 
 
er, Carey & PWL floated the idea. Tell them where they're going wrong.
 
 
 
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John Liang <jliang70@gmail.com>: Aug 11 03:28AM -0700

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 8:16:34 PM UTC+10, Whisper wrote:
 
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They said the surface is slow, PWL thinks because the surface is slow it is not the ideal warm up for USO as the surface speed in USO is faster, but neither of them said they agree with what you posted above.
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Aug 11 04:02AM -0700

> er, Carey & PWL floated the idea. Tell them where they're going wrong.
 
lol, I didn't say this. I said it's useless for Federer's preparation for the US Open specially at 36 because it's slow and the balls are flying plus he will play Cinci which is a better prep for US open.
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Aug 11 02:34AM -0700

Rafa taking aim at Federer :)
 
Yes, he tanked to win the USO :)
 
Anyway, still believe this tournament is useless for Federer.
"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.los>: Aug 11 12:22PM +0300

Trump associates said the attacks, which began Wednesday night and
resumed Thursday, were intended to shore up Trump's outside-the-Beltway
populist credentials and would resonate with core supporters frustrated
by a lack of progress in Washington.
 
But the tweets were quickly met with public and private defenses of
McConnell — and rebukes of Trump.
 
Former House speaker Newt Gingrich (Ga.), a Trump adviser, said on Fox
News Channel that the president bears some responsibility for the
Republican failure on the health-care legislation.
 
"I think the president can't dissociate himself from this," Gingrich
said. Trump "is part of the leadership team. He is not an observer
sitting up in the stands. He is on the field. It was a collective failure."
 
Even some Republicans close to the president suggested that the attacks
on McConnell would hurt him on Capitol Hill, where relations with GOP
leaders have seriously frayed as Trump's agenda has stalled.
 
"Yelling at his Senate quarterback isn't going to help him achieve these
wins," said one GOP strategist close to the White House who spoke on the
condition of anonymity to be candid.
 
The president has faced heavy criticism for the fate of the health-care
legislation. While he repeatedly called on lawmakers to dismantle the
Affordable Care Act, he did relatively little to help develop — or sell
— their replacement plans to the public at a time when polls showed the
effort was highly unpopular.
 
Trump's attacks this week come as lawmakers are poised to try to tackle
other shared but challenging priorities when they return from their
August recess. Besides Trump's leading agenda items, they also are faced
with trying to craft a budget and raise the nation's debt ceiling.
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-steps-up-attacks-on-mcconnell-for-failure-on-health-care-reform/2017/08/10/a3d49d1e-7dbf-11e7-9d08-b79f191668ed_story.html?utm_term=.fd50bbcaa063
 
Trump is doing everything possible to make sure he's going to remain a
nothingburger, um, West Wing dweller. His loonie base will think that as
a positive though, "they did it".
"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.los>: Aug 11 12:07PM +0300

BEIJING — China won't come to North Korea's help if it launches missiles
threatening U.S. soil and there is retaliation, a state-owned newspaper
warned on Friday, but it would intervene if Washington strikes first .
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/china-warns-north-korea-youre-on-your-own-if-you-go-after-the-us/2017/08/11/a01a4396-7e68-11e7-9026-4a0a64977c92_story.html?utm_term=.46e8b34deadf
"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.los>: Aug 11 12:02PM +0300

WASHINGTON — The average temperature in the United States has risen
rapidly and drastically since 1980, and recent decades have been the
warmest of the past 1,500 years, according to a sweeping federal climate
change report awaiting approval by the Trump administration.
 
The draft report by scientists from 13 federal agencies concludes that
Americans are feeling the effects of climate change right now. It
directly contradicts claims by President Trump and members of his
cabinet who say that the human contribution to climate change is
uncertain, and that the ability to predict the effects is limited.
 
Mr. Trump announced this year that the United States would withdraw from
the Paris agreement, saying the deal was bad for America.
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/07/climate/climate-change-drastic-warming-trump.html
 
Poor Polar Bears.
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Aug 11 10:57AM +0200

> The world held its collective breath and eventually Russia backed down.
> John F Kennedy was (and still is - at least by the Democrats) hailed a
> national hero.
 
 
Well he was a strong/capable man, and in the end, everything
turned out well, so praise is warranted, but you might check some
facts about who started, and who backed down.
 
Wikipedia.
The Cuban Missile Crisis, also known as the October Crisis
(Spanish: Crisis de Octubre ), the Caribbean Crisis (Russian:
????????? ??????, Karibskij krizis ), or the Missile Scare, was a
13-day (October 16?28, 1962) confrontation between the United
States and the Soviet Union concerning American ballistic missile
deployment in Italy and Turkey with consequent Soviet ballistic
missile deployment in Cuba. The confrontation is often considered
the closest the Cold War came to escalating into a full-scale
nuclear war. [1]
 
In response to the failed Bay of Pigs Invasion of 1961 and the
presence of American Jupiter ballistic missiles in Italy and
Turkey, Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev decided to agree to
Cuba's request to place nuclear missiles on the island to deter a
future invasion.
 
 
 
How did it all end? Americans removed missiles from Turkey,
Soviets from Cuba. And Cuba got a "promise" it won't be invaded
by the USA.
 
So eveyone backed down a bit.
 
 
The whole crisis started because Americans thought it's ok that
they aim Moscow from Turkey, but otoh it's unacceptable that
Soviets should aim Washington from Cuba. That was a bit weird way
of thinking.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
> almost the same to North Korea (which has actually threatened to attack
> US territory) and he gets howled down.
> Where is the consistency?
 
 
Trump is not powerful as Kennedy (meaning US establishment is full
neocon these days and oposed to him) so he can't solve Korean
crisis the way Kennedy could have, and had solved Cuban crisis.

 
Trump can't promise to the Koreans they won't be invaded in the
future in an exchange of giving up their nuclear program. He
can't do that because he's surrounded by traitors who oppose and
block him.
 
Also China stands behind north Korea, much much firmer, than the
Russians ever stood behind Cuba. Russians wanted US missiles
removed from Turkey so used Cuba as a bargaining chip.

 
 
This Chinese tactics of dealing with the west in a form of good
cop (china) and a mad cop (north korea) is pretty much effective
and cunning.
 
So from an American point of view, what would be most effective is
not a nuclear war on north Korea but a trade war with China.

 
Trump knows all this that's why he wanted to put aside Russia
hostilities as USA gains nothing from it nor are Russians any
threat to USA, also he wants manufacturing back to USA from
China, electronics especially which is very important.

 
 
Basically Trump is using a Nixon playbook. Nixon went to China
(then emerging 3rd power) to harm soviet union, a direct rival.

Trump wants to do the same, now China is a direct rival, he thinks
it's smart to have Russians much closer.
 
 
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MBDunc <michaelb@dnainternet.net>: Aug 11 01:50AM -0700

perjantai 11. elokuuta 2017 3.42.23 UTC+3 bob kirjoitti:
> if they both have 19 and rafa has that 3rd wimbledon, i'll take rafa.
> by the narrowest of margin. if not, tough call.
 
Did whisper give you a specific permission to dismiss his 7543?
 
But it was instantly obvious that after Wimb 2017 shocks and silent period smoke clearance the moving of GOAT goalposts again will start (as they did after FO 2009, Wimb 2009, AO 2010 and Wimb 2012)
 
.mikko
"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.los>: Aug 11 10:38AM +0300

On 11/08/2017 2.44, bob wrote:
 
>> Of course, for bob, being nuts is now kosher. Just because Trump happens
>> to be nuts.
 
> act nuts; don't be nuts.
 
In Trump's case, that's semantics. Read some of his interviews.
Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: Aug 11 12:31AM -0700

Amazing 3rd set by the 18 year-old... amazing composure and consentration for a teenager...
 
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AZ <arnab.zaheen@gmail.com>: Aug 11 12:37AM -0700

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 1:31:43 PM UTC+6, Patrick Kehoe wrote:
> Amazing 3rd set by the 18 year-old... amazing composure and consentration for a teenager...
 
> P
 
So what happened to Rafa aimimg for Fed?
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