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Saturday, August 12, 2017

calimero377@gmx.de: Aug 12 12:42AM -0700

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 5:03:23 AM UTC+2, TennisGuy wrote:
> know they are really Russians at the core.
 
> Could this be some sort of conspiracy?
> Could Trump have something to do with this?
 
 
What about the African conspiracy that has taken over the NBA?
 
 
Max
Manco <musefan2009@gmail.com>: Aug 11 09:04PM -0700

because Rafa is winning 4 more French Opens to get to 19.
 
If Fed finishes on 20, people will look at 14 French Opens > 20 slams overall.
 
But 23 slams will be viewed as bigger.
TennisGuy <TGuy@techsavvy.com>: Aug 12 12:31AM -0400

On 8/12/2017 12:04 AM, Manco wrote:
> because Rafa is winning 4 more French Opens to get to 19.
 
> If Fed finishes on 20, people will look at 14 French Opens > 20 slams overall.
 
> But 23 slams will be viewed as bigger.
 
Nonsense!
 
He has to win 30 slams.
Nothing short of that will be good enough for
Rafa fans!
Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: Aug 11 09:41PM -0700

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 9:32:08 PM UTC-7, TennisGuy wrote:
 
> He has to win 30 slams.
> Nothing short of that will be good enough for
> Rafa fans!
 
2017 might well be the end for both of them... I know they both have that Zombie thing happening with their games; realistically though, enough quality emerging now to suggest they will have more and more unexpected challenges moving forward... the only MASSIVE possibility is IF, and who really knows, IF Murray and Nole don't recoop soonish, then there MIGHT be a window for them in the first half of 2018... still, even these halcyon days will have to see sunsets at some point...
 
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The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Aug 11 11:31PM -0700

On Saturday, 12 August 2017 05:41:35 UTC+1, Patrick Kehoe wrote:
> > Nothing short of that will be good enough for
> > Rafa fans!
 
> 2017 might well be the end for both of them... I know they both have that Zombie thing happening with their games; realistically though, enough quality emerging now to suggest they will have more and more unexpected challenges moving forward... the only MASSIVE possibility is IF, and who really knows, IF Murray and Nole don't recoop soonish, then there MIGHT be a window for them in the first half of 2018... still, even these halcyon days will have to see sunsets at some point...
 
you've been saying this same thing for over 10 years now, think you'd consider something different, but nope. Nadal/Fed finalists at AO, Fed wins Wimbledon without losing a set, same thing lol
Bharath Purohit <acebharath@gmail.com>: Aug 11 11:40PM -0700

10 french open > 25 slams
Manco <musefan2009@gmail.com>: Aug 11 08:48PM -0700

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 7:25:29 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> I don't care much about the rest of the season except seven matches in the USO.
 
> Winning the USO should be his ultimate goal.
 
Agreed.
Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: Aug 11 08:54PM -0700

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 8:48:47 PM UTC-7, Manco wrote:
> > I don't care much about the rest of the season except seven matches in the USO.
 
> > Winning the USO should be his ultimate goal.
 
> Agreed.
 
Well, obviously it is his goal... ???
 
:)
 
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The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Aug 11 11:36PM -0700

On Friday, 11 August 2017 16:30:51 UTC+1, Patrick Kehoe wrote:
> > I don't care much about the rest of the season except seven matches in the USO.
 
> > Winning the USO should be his ultimate goal.
 
> Well, watching him yesterday, Federer NEEDS matches... because his game is loose right now...
 
why does Fed need matches? he can pretty much walk past these guys.
Manco <musefan2009@gmail.com>: Aug 11 09:36PM -0700

they will help save us from the sheer monotony of Federer/Nadal dominance.
 
They will win so much they will have us begging them to stop winning so much.
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Aug 11 11:33PM -0700

On Saturday, 12 August 2017 05:36:48 UTC+1, Manco wrote:
> they will help save us from the sheer monotony of Federer/Nadal dominance.
 
> They will win so much they will have us begging them to stop winning so much.
 
LOL
acoustic@panix.com (lo yeeOn): Aug 12 05:44AM

In article <f3790ce3-6e7e-4f53-a0a9-021bba843660@googlegroups.com>,
>And Uncle Sam has too much on his plate in the Middle East, the South
>China Sea, and Ukraine.
>Nothing will happen.
 
Of Course, North Korea "doesn't have the power to take on the U.S." as
you said. But North Korea said it would take on the U.S., **only if**
the latter attacks it first.
 
And that is the whole story about why NK talks about plan to strike
Guam because if the U.S. is going to attack North Korea, which is a
highly probable event since Trump has been saying that he would not
allow them to have nukes - a working nuclear deterrence program, it is
most likely going to come from Guam.
 
So, if North Korea gets wind that the U.S. is about to come and try to
knock out their nuke-development facilities, it might react by
shooting at Guam to forestall the attacks. Now, the August U.S.-South
Korean joint drill with guns "locked and loaded", these guns would all
mostly likely come from Guam but North Korea won't be able to stop
them because if they shoot first, the U.S. will pounce and knock the
shi*t out of them.
 
Of course, without reacting to the aggression, North Korea will also
be bombed if Trump wants it bombed. So, either way, North Korea will
be bombed.
 
And what makes you think that the U.S. is too tied up to do anything?
 
Of course, as I said, the aftermath will be worse than that of Iraq.
 
But with Linsey Graham, John Bolton, John McCain goading Trump and
taunting him for not taking actions, Trump is being pushed into a
disaster.
 
You think that it won't happen because Trump has too much on his plate
because of of Middle East? Did Obama tell himself: "I better not bomb
Libya because the Iraq War and the Afghan War were still going?" No,
when the imperialist Deep State wants to assert hegemony, it will act
wherever his presence is required. Nothing would stop him. Otherwise,
it will not be seen as exceptional any more.
 
Of course, I hope I am wrong because if the Koreans live, I will be
grateful and then my detractors will be proven wrong too because they
believe that Trump is the biggest warmonger among his 2016 rivals.
 
But most of my fellow netizens don't seem to have a consistent view of
what it means to attack North Korea.
 
They keep believing the implied MSM narrative that Kim's North Korea
wants to attack the U.S. without being attacked first.
 
But if you check around, you hear many experts tell you North Korea's
consistent aim: to have nuclear deterrence for self-defense.
 
Even the current National Intelligence Director Dan Coates has said as
much at the Aspen Security Forum where national security was talked
about as an academic subject.
 
National Intelligence Director Dan Coats was seen speaking at the
Aspen Security Forum and told the audience:
 
Kim Jong-un is a very unusual type of person. He's not crazy.
 
And there is some rationale backing his actions, which are
survival - survival for his regime, survival for his country.
 
And he has watched, I think, what has happened around the world
relative to nations that possess nuclear capabilities and the
leverage they have, and seen that having the nuclear card in your
pocket results in a lot of deterrence capability. The lessons
that we learned out of Libya giving up its nukes and Ukraine
giving up its nukes is, unfortunately, if you have nukes, never
give them up.
 
Amy Goodman: That's Dan Coats, the director of national intelligence.
[For more see the first attachment below.]
 
And you seem to have two classes of messages: one being that North
Korea recognizes the importance of nuclear deterrence for its survial
while the other being that the U.S. is too busy to deal with the
so-called North Korea problem, ignoring all the American
exceptionalism pressure on Trump to do something belligerent,
anything. One being that Kim or the NK leadership is crazy and the
other being that they are not. Very confusing!
 
But we will find out very soon and I won't be disappointed if Trump
suddenly has an epiphany and decides that his evangelist advisor is
wrong to tell him that God authorized him to nuke North Korea.
 
I think everybody deserves to live. And the first step in a peaceful
solution to the North Korea problem is to take our troops out of South
Korea and stop those annual military drills that are provocative to
North Korea. For as long as we are taking those hostile actions, we
can't say we don't allow you to defend yourself. That is no way to
treat other human beings, especially at the state-to-state level.
 
Anyhow, if you think Trump is not planning to make a first strike on
North Korea, then what does he mean, in the same breath as he warns
North Korea that our guns are "locked and loaded", by
 
>> about North Korea's pursuit of nuclear deterrence for
>> self-defense, which he has said in the past that he would not
>> allow.
 
lo yeeOn
 
---------
 
1) Forget Russia. Is Provoking a Nuclear War with North Korea Grounds
for Impeachment?
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8sOsQu7OAA
 
longtime investigative journalist Allan Nairn said [7:45]:
In more rational times, what Trump said yesterday would be an
article of impeachment. ... But with what he's doing now, provoking
North Korea, risking actual destruction of part of the U.S., he's
violating the system's rules on its own terms. He's committing an
actual threat against U.S. national security.
 
National Intelligence Director Dan Coats was seen speaking at the
Aspen Security Forum and told the audience:
 
Kim Jong-un is a very unusual type of person. He's not crazy.
 
And there is some rationale backing his actions, which are survival
- survival for his regime, survival for his country. And he has
watched, I think, what has happened around the world relative to
nations that possess nuclear capabilities and the leverage they
have, and seen that having the nuclear card in your pocket results
in a lot of deterrence capability. The lessons that we learned out
of Libya giving up its nukes and Ukraine giving up its nukes is,
unfortunately, if you have nukes, never give them up.
 
Amy Goodman: That's Dan Coats, the director of national intelligence.
 
Allan Nairn:
 
About the establishment narrative that there are no good options
about the north korea situation, they are talking about military
options.
 
But as part of their goal of regime survival, one thing that the
North Korean regime has always said is that they have two principal
goals. One is to stop the U.S.-South Korean military exercises,
which are provocative. And, two, end the Korean War.
 
There's an armistice now. But the Korean War is not formally over.
That is the kind of thing that, if the U.S. were serious. it could
sit down on the table ...
 
. . .
 
And politically, I think that Trump is just one quick war away from
curing most of his political ills. (The establishment press wants
to worship the presidency but Trump wouldn't let them because of his
comportment - the way he acts...)
 
Today (Aug 9, 2017) marks the 72nd anniversary of the U.S. atomic
bombing of the Japanese city of Nagasaki, killing 74,000 people [right
away]. That came only three days after the U.S. dropped the first
atomic bomb on Hiroshima, killing 140,000 people [right away].
 
This is president Harry Truman speaking on August 6, 1945, hours after
he bombed Hiroshima.
 
President Harry Truman: If they do not accept our terms, they may
expect a rain of ruin from the air, the like of which has never been
seen on this earth.
Manco <musefan2009@gmail.com>: Aug 11 09:05PM -0700

Shap has that 'it' factor, no?
Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Aug 11 09:44PM -0700

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 9:05:27 PM UTC-7, Manco wrote:
> Shap has that 'it' factor, no?
 
 
...and a one-hander. Different mindset.
Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: Aug 11 09:45PM -0700

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 9:05:27 PM UTC-7, Manco wrote:
> Shap has that 'it' factor, no?
 
He's flashy, with big groundies and bounces all over the court, moving extremely well. And he's emotional out there. Not a bad thing.
 
It will be interesting to see how other crowds take to his high octane, high wire tennis...

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Manco <musefan2009@gmail.com>: Aug 11 09:50PM -0700

He def has a Lleyton Hewitt feel with the same color hair and backwards cap.
ed scheuert <bescheuertekuh@gmail.com>: Aug 11 10:12PM -0700

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 11:50:42 PM UTC-5, Manco wrote:
> He def has a Lleyton Hewitt feel with the same color hair and backwards cap.
 
Except that he actually smacks the ball rather than bunting it back...
Manco <musefan2009@gmail.com>: Aug 11 09:49PM -0700

Raonic, Nishikori, Tomic, Kyrgios and Dimitrov. They were as a group supposed to be dominating tennis by 2015 already and...
 
nothing. Combined 0 slams, 0 MS-1000, 0 weeks at #1, 0 YEC wins. Pathetic.
 
It will be up to born 97-01(Zverev, Shap, auger-aliassime, ruud) to take over around 2018-2019.
Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Aug 11 09:54PM -0700

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 9:49:35 PM UTC-7, Manco wrote:
> Raonic, Nishikori, Tomic, Kyrgios and Dimitrov. They were as a group supposed to be dominating tennis by 2015 already and...
 
> nothing. Combined 0 slams, 0 MS-1000, 0 weeks at #1, 0 YEC wins. Pathetic.
 
> It will be up to born 97-01(Zverev, Shap, auger-aliassime, ruud) to take over around 2018-2019.
 
 
Well, Kyrgios isn't really in that group, at least by age... I hope he decides
he wants it, because he too has 'it', and can be electrifying.
ed scheuert <bescheuertekuh@gmail.com>: Aug 11 09:30PM -0700

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 10:38:49 PM UTC-5, Carey wrote:
> Sounds fun from here on in.
 
I agree. I like both Zverev and Shapovalov as young contenders at the moment and don't have a horse in the race but expect an interesting match. Gotta pull for Fed to keep rolling on what has turned out to be an unexpectedly amazing year. He hasn't lost in a slam or masters that he's competed in this year. Crazy at 35/36!
Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Aug 11 09:51PM -0700

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 9:30:36 PM UTC-7, ed scheuert wrote:
> On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 10:38:49 PM UTC-5, Carey wrote:
> > Sounds fun from here on in.
 
> I agree. I like both Zverev and Shapovalov as young contenders at the moment and don't have a horse in the race but expect an interesting match. Gotta pull for Fed to keep rolling on what has turned out to be an unexpectedly amazing year. He hasn't lost in a slam or masters that he's competed in this year. Crazy at 35/36!
 
 
You bet. Cool too to see some young fellers (finally) stepping up.
Manco <musefan2009@gmail.com>: Aug 11 09:14PM -0700

At this point I think having Sascha as second favorite in New York is very sane.
Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: Aug 11 08:52PM -0700

Has Murray been on the court practicing?
 
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Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: Aug 11 08:50PM -0700

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 8:34:21 PM UTC-7, Carey wrote:
 
> > P
 
> I thought Fed did pretty well at the AO this year with no tune-ups, but opinions
> will vary, for sure.
 
He played Brisbane for that exact reason... he got to play singles (3 matches I think? losing to Zverev in the singles final) and got to played mixed doubles, to work on his net game and serving... Yes, it's an exhibition+ type atmosphere but it was important for him before AO... right now, Feds' tournament 1st serve percentage is around 47% AND his backhand has gone off line - the 2017 level backhand he's dominated with so far this season...
 
He's clearly looking for some match play to work out his timing issues...
 
So, far none of his matches have been physical matches...
 
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Manco <musefan2009@gmail.com>: Aug 11 08:50PM -0700

Thing is Shapo is ranked at least #67 now, so Rafa can feel less bad.
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