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Friday, August 11, 2017

Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>: Aug 11 08:52AM -0500

> world leaders threatening nuclear war?
 
> Our resident nut job will try to make comparisons of this to Obama and
> be laughed at now.
 
Obama wrote an executive order for NK sanctions. Trump got a 15-0
vote in UN Security Council for sanctions.
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Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>: Aug 11 09:07AM -0500

> world leaders threatening nuclear war?
 
> Our resident nut job will try to make comparisons of this to Obama and
> be laughed at now.
 
Trump got China to tell Kim he is on his own.
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Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>: Aug 11 01:44PM -0500


>> LOL.That really slowed Kim down didn't it? Trump is still depending
>> on China to quell N. Korea.
 
> China didn't tell Kim anything of the sort.
 
https://tinyurl.com/y8hm5luo
 
 
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Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>: Aug 11 02:25PM -0500


>>https://tinyurl.com/y8hm5luo
 
> Your cite shows that China will not back the U.S. no matter what. So
> how is that something you should be proud of Trump for?
 
That hasn't changed in over 70 years.
 
This is the first time I ever heard China say they would not back
up Kim's aggression.
 
Trump was able to get China and Russia to vote for sanctions. I
can't remember when that happened previously.
 
Leadership. Like a breath of fresh air.
 
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Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>: Aug 11 03:02PM -0500

>> can't remember when that happened previously.
 
>>Leadership. Like a breath of fresh air.
 
> LOL. You need therapy.
 
More therapy.
 
https://tinyurl.com/y8vu8nbg
 
Kim shut off communication with Obama. Kim knew Obama was an amateur.
 
 
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"DumbedDownUSA" <dumb.america@gmail.com>: Aug 11 09:04AM

Dene wrote:
 
 
> That's the way you voted.
 
> My vote was for his signature in regards to the Republican agenda and
> he being the lesser of two evils.
 
What is the republican agenda Greg? Whatever Trump says it is?
 
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Trump ***Irresponsible, unprofessional and sending the wrong message.***
Carbon <nobrac@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>: Aug 11 07:47AM -0400

On 08/10/2017 11:52 PM, Dene wrote:
 
>> Don't care.
 
> That's the way you voted.
 
> My vote was for his signature in regards to the Republican agenda and he being the lesser of two evils.

 
Trump doesn't know or care about the Republican agenda. He used to claim to be a Democrat when it suited him.
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>: Aug 11 05:50AM -0700

On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 11:52:30 PM UTC-4, Dene wrote:
 
> That's the way you voted.
 
> My vote was for his signature in regards to the Republican agenda
> and he being the lesser of two evils.
 
So then, let's talk about the actual platforms the parties ran on,
and since Greg is avoiding picking one example out, it is now
being picked for him.
 
The topic is the Environment, and more specifically, the Endangered
Species Act (ESA).
 
Here's the official 2016 Republican Platform:
 
<https://prod-cdn-static.gop.com/media/documents/DRAFT_12_FINAL[1]-ben_1468872234.pdf>
 
And here's the official 2016 Democratic Platform:
 
<http://s3.amazonaws.com/uploads.democrats.org/Downloads/2016_DNC_Platform.pdf>
 
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The chore: compare & contrast, illustrating through citations,
just what are the differences in policy objectives and including
those elements which are being ignored, glossed over, denied, etc.
 
For example:
 
 
(R-pg19):
"Because we believe states can best promote economic growth while
protecting the environment, Congress should give authority to
state regulators to manage energy resources on federally controlled
public lands within their respective borders."
 
(R-pg20):
"We believe that people are the most valuable resources and that
human health and safety are the proper measurements of a policy's
success. We assert that private ownership has been the best
guarantee of conscientious stewardship..."
 
Both of the above are trying to claim that delegation to the
lowest levels are inherently better for the Environment, but
humanity has thousands of examples of the opposite where the
motivation for personal profit results in exploitation of
coal miners' safety & health, etc: humanity's default behavior
is effectively to shit where we eat.
 
 
(R-pg22):
"The ESA should ensure that the listing of endangered species
and the designation of critical habitats are based upon sound
science and balance the protection of endangered species with
the costs of compliance and the rights of property owners.
Instead, over the last few decades, the ESA has stunted economic
development, halted the construction of projects, burdened
landowners, and has been used to pursue policy goals inconsistent
with the ESA — all with little to no success in the actual
recovery of species. For example, we oppose the listing of the
lesser prairie chicken and the potential listing of the sage
grouse. Neither species has been shown to be in actual danger
and the listings threaten to devastate farmers, ranchers, and
oil and gas production."
 
Selected because the claim is made here that science should be
making these determinations, yet it then claims that the Lesser
Prairie Chicken shouldn't be listed - - but its own Wiki page
clearly states its conservation status as 'threatened':
 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesser_prairie_chicken>
 
Which means that the Platform's claim is false, despite their
claim that they value science-based decisions.
 
Plus it is also quite well known that from a lifecycle standpoint
it is invariably cheaper to anticipate and minimize small problems
before they become big ones ... ie, before a species has become
so depleted that it is circling the drain on extinction. For
a case study example of denial & waiting too long, consider the
California Condor:
 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_condor>
 
Because their threatened status was effectively denied for so long
(in 1987, the total worldwide population minimum was only 22 birds),
the recovery cost is currently at $35M (and counting) and today's
solutions now also include restrictions on all private hunters
within its habitat zone (can no longer use conventional lead bullets).
 
In summary, this platform is trying to say "the hell with the Public
Interest ever doing a 'stitch in time' when this might possibly
constrain private interests (profits) today", and the irony is that
this is actually the opposite of practicing good fiscal conservatism.
And this is just one example of what Greg professes to support.
 
 
 
-hh
BK@Onramp.net: Aug 11 08:33AM -0500

On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 20:52:26 -0700 (PDT), Dene <gdstrue@aol.com>
wrote:
 
 
>>Don't care.
 
>That's the way you voted.
 
>My vote was for his signature in regards to the Republican agenda
 
How's that working now? They're at odds.
100 days, remember?
 
>and he being the lesser of two evils.
 
She couldn't have been worse than what we've seen for over seven
months.
BK@Onramp.net: Aug 11 01:19PM -0500

On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 21:39:17 -0400, Carbon
 
>> You said it yourself. There is no reason to discuss it.
>> I agree.
 
>I guess it beats trying to defend the indefensible.
 
Greg posts that if I want a discussion to post directly to him. I
did, and gave several of my opinions. There's no rebuttal so you must
be correct.
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Aug 11 11:21AM -0700


> Greg posts that if I want a discussion to post directly to him. I
> did, and gave several of my opinions. There's no rebuttal so you must
> be correct.
 
He'll tell you that because I was involved further up the thread (with
completely valid and civil remarks, mind!) that he's not willing to engage.
"John B." <johnb505@gmail.com>: Aug 11 12:25PM -0700


> Greg posts that if I want a discussion to post directly to him. I
> did, and gave several of my opinions. There's no rebuttal so you must
> be correct.
 
Greg's rebuttals tend to consist of two words, e.g., Trump hate,
butt-hurt, or don't care.
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>: Aug 11 12:30PM -0700

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 3:25:13 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
> > be correct.
 
> Greg's rebuttals tend to consist of two words, e.g., Trump hate,
> butt-hurt, or don't care.
 
Or: "too long"
 
 
-hh
BK@Onramp.net: Aug 11 03:00PM -0500

On Fri, 11 Aug 2017 12:30:06 -0700 (PDT), -hh
>> butt-hurt, or don't care.
 
>Or: "too long"
 
>-hh
 
Remember Jack Nicholson's famous line in "A Few Good Men"? That's
Greg.
BK@Onramp.net: Aug 11 09:13AM -0500

On Fri, 11 Aug 2017 09:07:21 -0500 (CDT), Moderate
 
>> Our resident nut job will try to make comparisons of this to Obama and
>> be laughed at now.
 
>Trump got China to tell Kim he is on his own.
 
LOL.That really slowed Kim down didn't it? Trump is still depending
on China to quell N. Korea.
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Aug 11 08:56AM -0700

On 2017-08-11 6:52 AM, Moderate wrote:
>> be laughed at now.
 
> Obama wrote an executive order for NK sanctions. Trump got a 15-0
> vote in UN Security Council for sanctions.
 
Trump didn't "get" that vote, doofus.
"John B." <johnb505@gmail.com>: Aug 11 08:57AM -0700


> >Trump got China to tell Kim he is on his own.
 
> LOL.That really slowed Kim down didn't it? Trump is still depending
> on China to quell N. Korea.
 
China didn't tell Kim anything of the sort.
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Aug 11 11:50AM -0700

On 2017-08-11 11:44 AM, Moderate wrote:
 
>> China didn't tell Kim anything of the sort.
 
> https://tinyurl.com/y8hm5luo
 
As usual, you provide a link with no quoted text supporting your point.
 
So quote the text you claim supports your point.
 
Because I read this from there:
 
'If the US and South Korea carry out strikes and try to overthrow the
North Korean regime and change the political pattern of the Korean
Peninsula, China will prevent them from doing so.'
 
That doesn't sound like they told Kim he's "on his own", does it?
BK@Onramp.net: Aug 11 01:51PM -0500

On Fri, 11 Aug 2017 13:44:24 -0500 (CDT), Moderate
>>> on China to quell N. Korea.
 
>> China didn't tell Kim anything of the sort.
 
>https://tinyurl.com/y8hm5luo
 
Your cite shows that China will not back the U.S. no matter what. So
how is that something you should be proud of Trump for?
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Aug 11 12:29PM -0700

On 2017-08-11 12:25 PM, Moderate wrote:
 
> That hasn't changed in over 70 years.
 
> This is the first time I ever heard China say they would not back
> up Kim's aggression.
 
That's not what they said.
 
BK@Onramp.net: Aug 11 02:56PM -0500

On Fri, 11 Aug 2017 14:25:26 -0500 (CDT), Moderate
 
>Trump was able to get China and Russia to vote for sanctions. I
> can't remember when that happened previously.
 
>Leadership. Like a breath of fresh air.
 
LOL. You need therapy.
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Aug 11 12:25PM -0700

The engine is back in the car, the car is prepped, the tools and spares
are all packed, and all that remains is to load it all into the trailer
(and truck) and drop it off at the track this afternoon/evening.
 
It's good to be back...
 
:-)
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Aug 11 12:21PM -0700

...and he has sense of humour:
 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=dQ9mOGdZHeE>
 
'Here's a summer survival guide, 10 ways to relax during the era of Trump.
 
1. Take a day off from the news, one day a week.
 
2. Don't get into an argument with a Trump supporter, especially if
it's a member of your family. Remember, there are more independents and
non-voters than Trump Republicans. And the 2018 midterm election will be
won on the basis of turnout.
 
3. Pay no attention to Trump's tweets. They're becoming increasingly
bizarre and irrelevant.
 
4. Watch an old movie of biting political satire, like "Wag the Dog."
 
5. But don't watch "Doctor Strangelove."
 
6. Join an Indivisible group near you and take action with them,
attending a congressional town meeting and organizing others to contact
your members of congress. It's having an effect. Plus, it's therapeutic.
 
7. Drink lots of water and get plenty of exercise. Helps with the anger.
 
8. Read good books of fiction, like Harry Potter. Don't read George
Orwell's "1984" or Sinclair Lewis's "It Can't Happen Here" or Philip
Roth's "The Plot Against America."
 
9. Go to a county fair with your kids, and watch the pigs.
 
10. Have a cookout with your neighbors and see what resources you
yourselves can offer to your community. Start a tool collective or teach
a class in a library or out of someone's house. Tangible change can come
from your hands, not only your votes. Remember, resistance works best
when people come together and work together.
 
Have a great summer!'
 
And with that, I'm off to have lunch, and then this afternoon, I'm
loading the trailer and dropping the Formula Ford at the track.
 
Cheers!
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Aug 11 09:08AM -0700

...to serve big business interests:
 
'Only two people on the 30-seat FCC advisory panel come from city
governments and have experience overseeing telcoms regulation; the other
28 members are executives, consultants, lobbyists and think-tankies from
the telcoms sectors.
 
"Instead the FCC loaded the 30-member panel with corporate executives,
trade groups and free-market scholars. More than three out of four seats
on the BDAC are filled by business-friendly representatives from the
biggest wireless and cable companies such as AT&T Inc., Comcast Corp.,
Sprint Corp., and TDS Telecom. Crown Castle International Corp., the
nation's largest wireless infrastructure company, and Southern Co., the
nation's second-largest utility firm, have representatives on the panel.
Also appointed to the panel were broadband experts from conservative
think tanks who have been critical of FCC regulations such as the
International Center for Law and Economics and the Mercatus Center at
George Mason University."'
 
<http://boingboing.net/2017/08/11/this-is-fine-2.html>
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