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Tuesday, August 8, 2017

Razor <no@no.com>: Aug 08 10:56AM -0400

I love how these reporters try to create a QB controversy where one
doesn't exist.
 
Matt Moore is 32 on the backside of a solid (and relatively safe) NFL
career. He's made a lot of money watching other people get hit. He's not
some 24 year old stud itching to get out of the gate to show off what he
can do. He has nothing to prove to anyone.
 
The Cutler signing is actually good news for Matt. If I was him, I'd be
breathing a sigh of relief that I can continue to get paid AND avoid
concussions at the same time. There are a LOT worse gigs out there. Like
starting for the Jets, for example.
Drumrboy <drumrboy@aol.com>: Aug 08 07:26AM -0700

Just awesome....
 
https://www.facebook.com/MiamiDolphins/videos/10155396175706263/
"euphemism@mindspring.com" <euphemism@mindspring.com>: Aug 07 05:43PM -0700

Published: Aug. 7, 2017 at 12:14 p.m.
Updated: Aug. 7, 2017 at 12:21 p.m.
Gase: Jay Cutler didn't come to stand on sidelines
 
Conor Orr
Around The NFL Writer
 
Dolphins head coach Adam Gase said he does not have to name a starting quarterback yet between Jay Cutler and Matt Moore, but seems to be allowing us to read between the lines.
 
"You'll know when I release the depth chart," Gase told reporters Monday in Florida. "I don't have to make that announcement right now but (Cutler) didn't come out of retirement to stand on the sidelines. But we got a ways to go. Get him in here, give him a physical, see where he's at."
 
Moore is one of the longest-tenured Dolphins on the roster and, because of that, seems to have become one of the most popular players in the locker room. Gase was not worried about losing the team emotionally by importing a hand-picked veteran to replace the injured Ryan Tannehill. Perhaps in an effort to further sell the building on Cutler, Gase was adamant that it did not take much convincing to talk Cutler out of retirement.
 
"I talked to them," Gase said. "Our guys know. I was very up front with everything, so, they understand the reason why and what I was thinking and what I was feeling was the right thing for us. Our guys know we have one goal in mind and that's to win. We felt like that gave us the opportunity to have two really good quarterbacks on our team. We felt like we had two really good quarterbacks when Ryan was healthy."
 
Gase also told reporters no final decision has been made on if Tannehill will require knee surgery.
 
After Cutler passes his physical, Gase seems to be eyeing a process that will be far more taxing on the field than it will be off. He guessed Cutler was still quite familiar with Gase's offensive system from their time together in Chicago. He did plan on easing Cutler into practice, assuming "he wasn't in the backyard throwing 100 balls every day." Because of that, Cutler will not play in the team's preseason opener on Thursday against the Atlanta Falcons.
 
That does not mean Gase thinks Cutler has slipped.
 
"After watching (Cutler) last year, I saw the same stuff," Gase said. "He got injured and decided to move on -- they decided to move on from him. He stepped away for a minute, but I feel good about where he was at the last couple of years and feel good about how he fits with us."
 
At this point, Gase seems careful but confident. As NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reported Monday on Inside Training Camp Live, Cutler was always the quarterback atop his wish list. Now, Gase just needs to get him ready
Toilet Teams <toilet.teams@verizon.net>: Aug 08 04:43AM

On 07 Aug 2017, "euphemism@mindspring.com" <euphemism@mindspring.com>
> Pelissero reported Monday on Inside Training Camp Live, Cutler was
> always the quarterback atop his wish list. Now, Gase just needs to get
> him ready
 
This is the dumbest decision Gase has made.
L J Alibi <ljmaxx51@gmail.com>: Aug 07 08:30AM -0700

> Jay Cutler is somewhat infamous for his sulky and seemingly indifferent behavior towards his teammates. Adam Gase went after him like a dog after a squirrel when Tannehill's injury got RT carted off the practice field. Gase should know what he's getting and he should realize that Cutler is hard to like under the best of circumstances. If Adam elects to install Cutler as the starter, pushing aside Matt Moore, it seems like that would be sure to anger or offend some Dolphins players. Matt Moore has been the good son and stepped in for Tannehill last season and did a very good job. He's earned his place at the table. I'd bet that his teammates truly like him.
 
> This deal is high risk. The 2017 schedule is stepped - staring out relatively easy and turning brutally tough after 4 - 5 games. The team needs a QB who gets tougher as the season rolls on, not one that might be seen as malingering.
 
> Anyone who knows why this marriage should be made in heaven, please comfort those of us who fear the worst.
 
I thought RT walked off of the field under his own power with no assistance. Did you find info saying he was carted off the practice field?
"euphemism@mindspring.com" <euphemism@mindspring.com>: Aug 07 08:46AM -0700

On Monday, August 7, 2017 at 10:30:42 AM UTC-5, L J Alibi wrote:
 
> > This deal is high risk. The 2017 schedule is stepped - staring out relatively easy and turning brutally tough after 4 - 5 games. The team needs a QB who gets tougher as the season rolls on, not one that might be seen as malingering.
 
> > Anyone who knows why this marriage should be made in heaven, please comfort those of us who fear the worst.
 
> I thought RT walked off of the field under his own power with no assistance. Did you find info saying he was carted off the practice field?
 
 
Actually, no.
 
I read that he "went down in a heap" and later was actually seen walking with no obvious limp.
 
The stories about Cutler being contacted were nearly immediate. What I have read is that Gase called Cutler right away to gauge his interest.
Dan the Man <dan708@yahoo.com>: Aug 07 08:55AM -0700

> Jay Cutler is somewhat infamous for his sulky and seemingly indifferent behavior towards his teammates. Adam Gase went after him like a dog after a squirrel when Tannehill's injury got RT carted off the practice field. Gase should know what he's getting and he should realize that Cutler is hard to like under the best of circumstances. If Adam elects to install Cutler as the starter, pushing aside Matt Moore, it seems like that would be sure to anger or offend some Dolphins players. Matt Moore has been the good son and stepped in for Tannehill last season and did a very good job. He's earned his place at the table. I'd bet that his teammates truly like him.
 
> This deal is high risk. The 2017 schedule is stepped - staring out relatively easy and turning brutally tough after 4 - 5 games. The team needs a QB who gets tougher as the season rolls on, not one that might be seen as malingering.
 
> Anyone who knows why this marriage should be made in heaven, please comfort those of us who fear the worst.
 
If Cutler is never more than Moore's back-up, I don't have a huge problem with this. As long as Brady and Belicheat are around, we're not getting past the Pats, anyway.
Drumrboy <drumrboy@aol.com>: Aug 07 09:43AM -0700

11:55 AMDan the Man
On Monday, August 7, 2017 at 8:23:06 AM UTC-4, euph...@mindspring.com wrote:
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If Cutler is never more than Moore's back-up, I don't have a huge problem with this. As long as Brady and Belicheat are around, we're not getting past the Pats, anyway.
 
I only ask that it's an "open" completion for the starting job. Neither is Dan Marino, and your right, it doesn't really make a shit of difference which one starts.
J Lunis <lunis.j@gmail.com>: Aug 07 01:21PM -0400

> Jay Cutler is somewhat infamous for his sulky and seemingly indifferent behavior towards his teammates. Adam Gase went after him like a dog after a squirrel when Tannehill's injury got RT carted off the practice field. Gase should know what he's getting and he should realize that Cutler is hard to like under the best of circumstances. If Adam elects to install Cutler as the starter, pushing aside Matt Moore, it seems like that would be sure to anger or offend some Dolphins players. Matt Moore has been the good son and stepped in for Tannehill last season and did a very good job. He's earned his place at the table. I'd bet that his teammates truly like him.
 
> This deal is high risk. The 2017 schedule is stepped - staring out relatively easy and turning brutally tough after 4 - 5 games. The team needs a QB who gets tougher as the season rolls on, not one that might be seen as malingering.
 
> Anyone who knows why this marriage should be made in heaven, please comfort those of us who fear the worst.
 
Here is my understanding . . .
 
Negatives - for those who think RTan is average, Cutler is no better.
For those who think he could have been top third, Cutler is a mild
downgrade. Most think Cutler is better than MM. Throughout his career,
Cutler has been a 'meh' QB. Not bad, but not capable of "carrying his
team."
 
Positives - smart, not reckless (i.e., MM). Already knows the system,
already has a hx with Gase.
 
For those looking for hope, Cutler's D was seldom good and receivers
less than average (think RTan under Queasy). In Miami, the receivers
appear quite good, good run game (predicted), and the D should improve
to average (that's a BIG jump). Personally, I was never a Cutler fan,
but never had anything against him, thus, agnostic.
 
For the record, the 'other' options seemed to be limited to Keap
(please, NO), and Osweiller(sp?). If those were my choices, I MAY have
gone Cutler. I say "MAY have" because I was leaning towards giving it
to MM and take my chances.
"euphemism@mindspring.com" <euphemism@mindspring.com>: Aug 07 11:03AM -0700

On Monday, August 7, 2017 at 12:21:29 PM UTC-5, J Lunis wrote:
> (please, NO), and Osweiller(sp?). If those were my choices, I MAY have
> gone Cutler. I say "MAY have" because I was leaning towards giving it
> to MM and take my chances.
 
 
 
It's important to note that even if Matt Moore were a terrific starter, the Dolphins were STILL going to have to bring in someone, unless you believe that Doughty is a bona fide #2 QB. It is very clear that the Dolphins view him as strictly a practice squad quarterback. maybe he could change that during this camp period, but the word from the early practices was that Doughty was (in your wors) "meh" and the 4th guy, Fales, has been flat out awful.
 
Right now, it's apparently NOT set that Tannehill goes out for surgery and THAT means he's hoping to come back after 6 - 8 weeks. That poses all sorts of issues, given that the Dolphins just coughed up $10M for Cutler.
 
It's not like there aren't significant risks here...
What if Cutler gets pounded behind the suspect Dolphins OL? Will he go to the sidelines and pout? Gase risks losing the team if Cutler comes in and behaves as he has in the past in Denver and Chicago. Cutler is clearly Gase's pick and if Cutler urinates on the furniture, Gase is going to take the heat.
J Lunis <lunis.j@gmail.com>: Aug 07 03:16PM -0400


> Right now, it's apparently NOT set that Tannehill goes out for surgery and THAT means he's hoping to come back after 6 - 8 weeks. That poses all sorts of issues, given that the Dolphins just coughed up $10M for Cutler.
 
> It's not like there aren't significant risks here...
> What if Cutler gets pounded behind the suspect Dolphins OL? Will he go to the sidelines and pout? Gase risks losing the team if Cutler comes in and behaves as he has in the past in Denver and Chicago. Cutler is clearly Gase's pick and if Cutler urinates on the furniture, Gase is going to take the heat.
 
Let me reword my comment. *IF* the QB brought in were to be a starter,
3 names were mentioned. If the new QB were to backup MM, you're right,
many names more QBs would have been available. Based on no evidence, if
RTan were to be back on game 7, I suspect they would have gone with MM.
 
FWIW, since pads, Fales has been eclipsing Doughty, not that it's a
difficult task.
"euphemism@mindspring.com" <euphemism@mindspring.com>: Aug 07 12:45PM -0700

On Monday, August 7, 2017 at 2:16:23 PM UTC-5, J Lunis wrote:
> RTan were to be back on game 7, I suspect they would have gone with MM.
 
> FWIW, since pads, Fales has been eclipsing Doughty, not that it's a
> difficult task.
 
 
I have seen no mention that Fales has been other than bad - the most neutral comment is this from the Palm Beach Post:
 
"Brandon Doughty is third-team quarterback, ahead of David Fales. Neither has stood out at camp."
 
There's only one question now: Will Matt Moore be pushed aside or will there be a fair competition. My guess, Moore is demoted.
 
The elephant in the room: What if Tannehill tries to insist on coming back again this year? He needs at least 6 weeks, including camp. What happens with Cutler?
"Terminal Cancer" <die.die.die@dolphins.com>: Aug 07 11:37PM +0200

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> might be seen as malingering.
 
> Anyone who knows why this marriage should be made in heaven, please
> comfort those of us who fear the worst.
 
Maybe Matt Moore starts and Jay Cutler is the backup.
 
Maybe Jay Cutler slips and falls in the shower, "I've fallen and
I can't get up" permanently injured.
 
Matt Moore is actually a good option for replacement. If Gase
installs Cutler over Moore, he needs to be fired. His
intelligence just went down two pegs for going after Cutler
anyway. Given a choice between Cutler or Tebow, Tebow would get
the nod.
euphemism <euphemism@mindspring.com>: Aug 07 05:20PM -0500

On 8/7/2017 4:37 PM, Terminal Cancer wrote:
> intelligence just went down two pegs for going after Cutler
> anyway. Given a choice between Cutler or Tebow, Tebow would get
> the nod.
 
So, you are seriously suggesting that Tebow, a guy who is out of
football, playing Single-A baseball, and who was described as "terrible"
by his own teammates the last time he was on an NFL regular season
roster, is a better choice than Cutler?
 
You are either a troll or seriously impaired. You decide which one gets
the nod.
"Terminal Cancer" <die.die.die@dolphins.com>: Aug 08 03:55AM +0200

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> football, playing Single-A baseball, and who was described as "terrible"
> by his own teammates the last time he was on an NFL regular season
> roster, is a better choice than Cutler?
 
The NY Jests are not an NFL calibre team, so you can toss those
opinions right where they belong.
 
Tebow beat the Pissburgh Steelers with one pass in overtime the
last time he played on a real football team.
 
Cutler was so great he won exactly one game in 2016.
 
> You are either a troll or seriously impaired. You decide which one gets
> the nod.
 
You cunts don't like Tebow because he's a religious type. He's
also a winner and you don't like that either.
 
Go ahead, take Cutler and his 1-15 record from 2016. You fools
deserve him.
euphemism <euphemism@mindspring.com>: Aug 07 05:36PM -0500

The Dolphins struck a one-year deal with quarterback Jay Cutler worth as
much as $13 million, giving them a significant amount of capital
committed in salary-cap dollars to the position for 2017. Injured
starter Ryan Tannehill is responsible for $20,300,000 of that total.
 
But unfortunately for Tannehill, the team can earn some much-needed
relief toward their 2018 salary cap without him.
 
This is brutal timing for the former first-round pick, who signed a
six-year, $95.272 million deal back in 2015, which was essentially a
bundled group of one-year deals after the 2016 season. At a point very
early in the league year next year, the Dolphins could opt to walk away
from the deal for a sum far less than the $19.8 million Tannehill is set
to count for next year. They might also view it as one more proving
ground year for Tannehill -- after all, $19.8 million isn't much more
than the $18.5 million the Bears are paying Mike Glennon in a bridge
quarterback-type role.
 
It's an unfortunate confluence of events. Ndamukong Suh's contract
balloons to include a $26,100,000 cap hit, taking up a significant
amount of the total cap. Tannehill approaches the age of 30 and, with
the Dolphins potentially nearing a natural overhauling point for their
roster, the team could simply look to move on from a passer with knee
issue that dates back to last December when he partially tore his ACL.
NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport noted Sunday that Miami coach Adam Gase
made a serious push for Cutler after it became clear that Tannehill
could need season-ending knee surgery
 
If you count Tannehill's deal as essentially a one-year deal for 2017,
the Dolphins would have zero quarterbacks under contract for the 2018
season if they part ways with their former first-round pick -- a scary
but enticing proposition for a young head coach with personnel sway and
a potentially loaded quarterback draft class coming in 2018.
 
As a few analysts wondered on Inside Training Camp Live shortly after
the Cutler news broke Sunday, is this the last pass we've seen Tannehill
throw for the Miami Dolphins? Where might he go from here?
 
It would have seemed like a silly question given how stubbornly
confident Gase was in Tannehill's abilities a little more than a year
ago. And Tannehill did grow under his new head coach last season,
playing effectively enough over 13 games to put Miami in position to
make the playoffs. Until Tannehill decides on a medical option for his
knee and until the Dolphins fully understand the scope of Tannehill's
issue, he will no doubt be supported by Gase and the rest of the
organization. But the NFL waits for no man.
 
The silver lining for Tannehill is that, whenever he gets healthy, he
will have work. Once the speculative smoke clears, he could remain with
a Dolphins organization that seems to be enamored by his potential. As
we saw during this offseason's free agency period, the mad dash for
quarterback talent bestows a jealousy-inducing amount of money for
players with even replacement-level starting abilities. Miami could very
well decide that no one, even a high-upside rookie, could serve them
better than Tannehill.
 
The difficult part might be accepting the end of something promising.
 
If Tannehill's 2016 season was projected out over a full 16 games, his
final numbers would end up extremely close to the 2015 season Cutler
produced alongside Gase in Chicago that nearly everyone in the media is
praising Sunday (3,659 yards, 21 TDs to 11 picks). Tannehill was
handling the ball better, taking far fewer sacks and increased his
passer rating to the highest total of his career. Miami was most
certainly the best place for him to continue growing, as there is no
guarantee he'll find another home with a gifted, quarterback-whispering
head coach again.
 
So what happens next? With the Cutler deal Sunday, the Dolphins have
essentially made it clear who their starter is for the foreseeable
future this season. Tannehill will have to wait to find his own clarity.
oceantracks@mac.com: Aug 07 06:16PM -0700


> So what happens next? With the Cutler deal Sunday, the Dolphins have
> essentially made it clear who their starter is for the foreseeable
> future this season. Tannehill will have to wait to find his own clarity.
 
This franchise has a long history of sticking with people they should leave behind. He'll be here until he's 35.
"Zoo News" <zoo.report@miamiherald.com>: Aug 08 01:07AM +0200

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20274495/jarvis-landry-miami-
dolphins-investigation-battery
 
Miami Dolphins star wide receiver Jarvis Landry is under police
investigation for possible battery charges stemming from an
incident with his girlfriend that took place earlier this year.
 
The Fort Lauderdale Police Department has presented its
investigation to the Broward State Attorney's office, which is
reviewing the incident. A spokesman for the state attorney told
multiple media outlets on Monday that a decision on whether to
press charges against Landry is not expected this week.
 
Landry's girlfriend, Estrella Cerqueira, released a statement
later Monday via a publicist to NFL Network, saying that she had
a vocal disagreement with Landry this past March and that police
were called, although she did not call them.
 
Cerqueira also said in the statement that "there were no
criminal charges" and that she "was not in any way physically
harmed."
 
"Yes, we are going through a civil family court case and
emotions are high, but I would like to make it very clear that
Jarvis would never, ever do anything to harm me or anyone else,"
Cerqueira said in her statement.
 
Kick him out. Cut off that dumb bitches free paycheck and see
how fast this shit disappears.
euphemism <euphemism@mindspring.com>: Aug 07 04:07PM -0500

Dolphins' Jarvis Landry investigated for alleged domestic battery;
girlfriend says she wasn't harmed
 
Omar KellyContact Reporter
Sun Sentinel
 
Miami Dolphins receiver Jarvis Landry is under investigation for an
alleged domestic battery incident at his apartment in Fort Lauderdale
earlier this year, according to court records.
 
Estrella Cerqueira, who was Landry's girlfriend and is the mother of his
daughter, released a statement Monday saying she was not harmed during a
"vocal disagreement" with Landry.
 
No arrest has been made, and the Broward County State Attorney's office
is reviewing the case to determine if Landry will face formal charges.
 
"Fort Lauderdale police have presented to the State Attorney's office
their investigation of an allegation against Mr. Landry," State
Attorney's office spokesman Ron Ishoy said in a statement Monday. "We
are now reviewing the matter; we do not expect a decision this week. I
have no other details."
 
The incident was reported to police shortly before 10:30 p.m. on April
1, according to the incident report's cover sheet. The full report is
not being released because the investigation is still open, police said
Monday. The report's cover lists hands, fist, teeth and feet as weapons.
 
Court records show that Landry, 24, is the defendant in an open
paternity court case that was filed in April by Cerqueira.
 
Cerqueira released a statement Monday through Landry's publicist that
said she and Landry had a "vocal disagreement that resulted in someone
calling 911." Cerqueira's statement says Landry never harmed her and
that police determined there was no cause for an arrest when they arrived.
 
"I was not in any way physically harmed," the statement said. "Yes, we
are going through a civil family court case and emotions are high, but I
would like to make it very clear that Jarvis would never, ever do
anything to harm me or anyone else. Jarvis and I are happily raising our
beautiful daughter."
 
Hyde5: Jarvis Landry and the baffling way analytics view him
Dolphins coach Adam Gase said Monday that team is aware of the
investigation.
 
Landry was not made available to speak to reporters at the conclusion of
Monday's practice.
 
Landry is a two-time Pro Bowl selection who has led the Dolphins in
receptions for the past two seasons. He and his agent have been lobbying
for a multiyear contract extension this offseason after the former LSU
standout caught 94 passes for 1,136 yards and scored four touchdowns
last year.
 
Dolphins owner Steve Ross has discussed placing the franchise tag on
Landry after this season, which would commit $16 million to Miami's slot
receiver and prevent him from becoming an unrestricted free agent.
 
Under NFL rules, Landry could be found to have violated the league's
personal conduct policy even without an arrest or conviction. So, Landry
could possibly face a suspension depending on the details of the case.
4546@mydaja.com: Aug 07 05:59PM -0400

On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 16:07:49 -0500, euphemism
 
>Dolphins' Jarvis Landry investigated for alleged domestic battery;
>girlfriend says she wasn't harmed
 
.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/former-lions-receiver-calvin-johnson-attends-dolphins-practice-on-monday/ar-AApCuqb?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp
euphemism <euphemism@mindspring.com>: Aug 07 05:22PM -0500

>> girlfriend says she wasn't harmed
 
> .
> http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/former-lions-receiver-calvin-johnson-attends-dolphins-practice-on-monday/ar-AApCuqb?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp
 
Noteworthy that there's no suggestion that either Johnson nor the
Dolphins were thinking about him coming to Miami as a player.
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