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Friday, August 11, 2017

Rich <Richierich0520@yahoo.com>: Aug 10 06:40PM -0700

Done for the year.
 
http://mia.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Raekwon-McMillan-has-torn-ACL-105992798
"euphemism@mindspring.com" <euphemism@mindspring.com>: Aug 10 06:47PM -0700

Holy shit... this is turning into a curse level PS.
Rich <Richierich0520@yahoo.com>: Aug 10 06:56PM -0700

> Holy shit... this is turning into a curse level PS.
 
This was one position Miami couldn't afford to lose.
Stoobz <stoobz4@comcast.net>: Aug 11 05:52AM -0500

On 8/10/2017 8:56 PM, Rich wrote:
> On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 9:47:54 PM UTC-4, euph...@mindspring.com wrote:
>> Holy shit... this is turning into a curse level PS.
 
> This was one position Miami couldn't afford to lose.
 
Once again, it's the Ancient Injun Burial Ground.
 
Players must be sacrificed to appease the elders.
euphemism <euphemism@mindspring.com>: Aug 10 06:36PM -0500

Our 1st round pick - On special teams - knee injury - being reported as
"return is questionable."
Rich <Richierich0520@yahoo.com>: Aug 10 04:50PM -0700

> Our 1st round pick - On special teams - knee injury - being reported as
> "return is questionable."
 
I'm following the game on NFL.com and saw that he was injured on special teams. Terrific.
Stoobz <stoobz4@comcast.net>: Aug 11 05:50AM -0500

On 8/10/2017 6:36 PM, euphemism wrote:
> Our 1st round pick - On special teams - knee injury - being reported as
> "return is questionable."
 
Reports aren't looking good at this time but nothing official.
euphemism <euphemism@mindspring.com>: Aug 10 06:29PM -0500

Well fuck... I'm here on the computer watching the game...
 
http://sportsarefree.xyz/cbsmiami/
 
and NO one is around.
 
Good and bad so far...
 
The surprise... Matt Moore played one 3 and out series and Doughty is
driving the team on the team's second possession. What started super
ugly is looking a little interesting.
 
 
Aw never mind, Doughty sort of went flat once they got on the other side
of the 50.
 
Decent running by Williams.
Stoobz <stoobz4@comcast.net>: Aug 11 05:49AM -0500

On 8/10/2017 6:29 PM, euphemism wrote:
 
> Aw never mind, Doughty sort of went flat once they got on the other side
> of the 50.
 
> Decent running by Williams.
 
No choice here, so I watched the Atlanta feed. What horrible announcers
they have. DJ Shockley spoke a foreign language any time he got excited
about something.
euphemism <euphemism@mindspring.com>: Aug 10 06:01PM -0500

Sure not burning my free trial on THIS game...
 
Not dressing for Miami v. Atlanta:
 
Wide receivers Isaiah Ford and Malcolm Lewis
Running back Jay Ajayi, center Mike Pouncey, guard Ted Larsen and
tackles Laremy Tunsil and Ja'Wuan James.
 
Congrats to Matt Moore for starting behind the 2nd string OL... if he
hits any of the WR's it will be a miracle.
 
 
found this - looks okay:
 
http://sportsarefree.xyz/cbsmiami/
Stoobz <stoobz4@comcast.net>: Aug 11 05:48AM -0500

On 8/10/2017 6:01 PM, euphemism wrote:
> hits any of the WR's it will be a miracle.
 
> found this - looks okay:
 
> http://sportsarefree.xyz/cbsmiami/
 
I'll save this for potentially watching future games.
"euphemism@mindspring.com" <euphemism@mindspring.com>: Aug 10 12:33PM -0700

Watching tonight?
 
The 3rd PS game at the Eagles will be shown live on the NFL Network. Of the first two games, the second should be more interesting since Cutler will presumably start. No one needs the 4th PS game.
 
You get #3 for free and you can get one other game free by using a 7-day free trial of Game Pass (NFLNetwork.com)
 
Are there any safe free feeds out there? Something that doesn't involve having ransomware installed on you computer by some crazy NK hacker?
Stoobz <stoobz4@comcast.net>: Aug 10 04:25PM -0500


> The 3rd PS game at the Eagles will be shown live on the NFL Network. Of the first two games, the second should be more interesting since Cutler will presumably start. No one needs the 4th PS game.
 
> You get #3 for free and you can get one other game free by using a 7-day free trial of Game Pass (NFLNetwork.com)
 
> Are there any safe free feeds out there? Something that doesn't involve having ransomware installed on you computer by some crazy NK hacker?
 
Oh hell yeah, especially considering I work Sundays during the season!
euphemism <euphemism@mindspring.com>: Aug 10 04:33PM -0500

On 8/10/2017 4:25 PM, Stoobz wrote:
>> involve having ransomware installed on you computer by some crazy NK
>> hacker?
 
> Oh hell yeah, especially considering I work Sundays during the season!
 
 
Aren't you in Alabama??
Stoobz <stoobz4@comcast.net>: Aug 11 05:47AM -0500

On 8/10/2017 4:33 PM, euphemism wrote:
>>> hacker?
 
>> Oh hell yeah, especially considering I work Sundays during the season!
 
> Aren't you in Alabama??
 
Sadly, yes. I get tickled pink when I get to travel way from here.
BAH <bah@bah.com>: Aug 10 06:14PM -0400

On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 11:06:59 -0700 (PDT), "euphemism@mindspring.com"
 
>Want to know why Jay Cutler isn't beloved by former teammates? Take this example told to me by a former player who knows Cutler and his former teammate, Brian Urlacher:
 
>"Brian [was] beloved by every teammate he's ever had. The consummate professional and surprisingly polite for the physical way he played. He reached out to Cutler for three [years] once they became teammates. Invited him to dinner, golf, his house, etc. Nothing. Cutler never reciprocated."
 
>This would explain why Urlacher disliked Cutler and expressed it publicly.
 
It could very well be that Urlacher was an asshole, and Cutler just
didn't want to hang out with him.
 
Pictures are already surfacing of Cutler eating dinner with new
teammates recently.
Stu Gotts <ishkabibble99@hotmail.com>: Aug 10 06:24PM -0700

On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 6:14:07 PM UTC-4, BAH wrote:
 
 
> It could very well be that Urlacher was an asshole <SNIP>
 
He dated Paris Hilton... nuff said IMHO.
"mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu" <fosterfla@gmail.com>: Aug 10 09:41PM -0700

On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 6:14:07 PM UTC-4, BAH wrote:
> didn't want to hang out with him.
 
> Pictures are already surfacing of Cutler eating dinner with new
> teammates recently.
 
Yeah. It was at McDonalds and Cuntler forced them to order off the dollar menu!
 
mr dude
"mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu" <fosterfla@gmail.com>: Aug 10 09:39PM -0700

BAAWAAAHAHAHAhaaahaaahaaaa.
 
mr dude
Drumrboy <drumrboy@aol.com>: Aug 10 08:28AM -0700

9:09 AMJ Lunis
- show quoted text -
Two separate questions. 1) What would I do? 2) What to I think Gase
et al will do? I'm going with #2 since no Miami rep has called asking
my opinion. That said, if, say, Jan comes and the surgery is deemed
"successful," RTan will be the presumed starter and QB will be a low
priority. That's the way the NFL works - top QB draft picks are ALWAYS
bottom-dwellers or top teams with few holes (GB and Farve/NE and Brady).
I do not claim prescience and admit I could be wrong, but, given a
"successful" surgery, RTan is the '18 starter.
 
You're forgetting the ENORMOUS cap hit the Phins will have to eat if he comes back in -18'. If I'm running the show, he's started his last game for the dolphins under his current contract.
 
If he wants to come back at half price, AND be willing to compete for the starting job, I'd entertain that.
"euphemism@mindspring.com" <euphemism@mindspring.com>: Aug 10 11:48AM -0700

On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 10:28:20 AM UTC-5, Drumrboy wrote:
> "successful" surgery, RTan is the '18 starter.
 
> You're forgetting the ENORMOUS cap hit the Phins will have to eat if he comes back in -18'. If I'm running the show, he's started his last game for the dolphins under his current contract.
 
> If he wants to come back at half price, AND be willing to compete for the starting job, I'd entertain that.
 
 
 
My guess is that the Dolphins sign him to a new "extension" that in effect lowers his cap hit and allows them to cut their losses if he's not able to keep the starter's job. Whether Cutler could be back is way out of crystal ball range since no one knows how this guy is going to fare over the course of the impending 16 game season.
 
The Dolphins aren't simply going to dump Tannehill – they'll try to work something out. My wild-ass guess is that Cutler finishes the season hurt and sulking on the sidelines. Coming back in 2018 is probably not an option either side wants to pursue. Again… a wild-ass guess based solely on past performances.
 
What no one seems to be "hearing" is that I would expect the Dolphins to grab a QB at any point they believe they see one worth taking at the point at which they are picking. Let's get this right: NO ONE seems to know how to pick QB's. The really good ones seem to keep showing up from the later rounds of the draft. You don't draft Andrew Luck… you draft with Dumb Luck.
 
I don't care how many QB's are seen as "top picks" in the 2018 draft. Odds are Miami's first pick will come 1 to 2 hours AFTER those names are all off the board. There will be serious "issues" with the QB's sitting there after the 10th pick is made. The first expert on this bandwidth who identifies the next Dak Prescott IN ADVANCE of the draft gets to be the honorary NG President For Life. Submitting a list of 10 names doesn't count.
 
Let's see how the season goes…. Does Cutler thrive? Does Tannehill undergo surgery? Does anyone shoot JR?
 
Stay tuned.
J Lunis <lunis.j@gmail.com>: Aug 10 03:25PM -0400


> I don't care how many QB's are seen as "top picks" in the 2018 draft. Odds are Miami's first pick will come 1 to 2 hours AFTER those names are all off the board. There will be serious "issues" with the QB's sitting there after the 10th pick is made. The first expert on this bandwidth who identifies the next Dak Prescott IN ADVANCE of the draft gets to be the honorary NG President For Life. Submitting a list of 10 names doesn't count.
 
> Let's see how the season goes…. Does Cutler thrive? Does Tannehill undergo surgery? Does anyone shoot JR?
 
> Stay tuned.
 
Posted data 1-2 yrs ago showing the odds of getting a starting QB
(notice I didn't say "top" QB) in R3 or below. Exceedingly small.
People remember the Prescott's and Brady's but forget the 95% who never
start a game. And, remember, if it weren't for injuries, no one knows
how long Dak and Tom would have waited. I don't mind drafting a QB but
this concept of "draft a QB and groom him" isn't in the same county as
reality.
Yes, draft a QB, but with two realizations. 1) Said QB has a 95% chance
of being the next Doughty, 2) No team will pick a QB before his ranking.
That is, no one will pick a R4 QB in the 2nd just because the want a
QB. Stay firmly planted in reality. Nonetheless, save your #17 jersey
for '18. You'll need it.
Drumrboy <drumrboy@aol.com>: Aug 10 01:05PM -0700

If you throw enough shit against a wall, eventually something will stick. They are in this predicament because the (all) old regime felt they were a "couple of players" away and ignored the 800lb Gorilla in the room. Can anyone say Drew Brees? TWICE?
 
Too many years of Dan Marino and the Marks Bros. spoiled them.
euphemism <euphemism@mindspring.com>: Aug 10 04:22PM -0500

On 8/10/2017 3:05 PM, Drumrboy wrote:
> If you throw enough shit against a wall, eventually something will stick. They are in this predicament because the (all) old regime felt they were a "couple of players" away and ignored the 800lb Gorilla in the room. Can anyone say Drew Brees? TWICE?
 
> Too many years of Dan Marino and the Marks Bros. spoiled them.
 
Well, like I have repeatedly postulated, the crime requires motive and
opportunity.
 
Yes, passing on Drew Brees was a mistake.
 
Likewise, not drafting Matt Ryan was a miss, but the judgment was Long.
 
This team has only managed to have top 5 strata picks a few times. Even
when they managed to trade up into the Franchise QB realm, there wasn't
a can't miss QB in their sights.
 
Tell me what YOU think would have happened to the Dolphins if Marino had
not fallen into their lap?
 
Teams like the Colts manage to suck their way into the right position
when the stars align. They were there to draft Elway, they were their
to draft Manning, they were there to draft Luck. Coincidence?
 
How often does lightening strike?
 
I happen to believe that Tannehill could have been better than he has
ever shown had he not been saddled with poor coaches and beaten like a
rented mule.
 
I'm sure you'll let us know when they are in position to draft or
acquire the next great QB. Maybe you feel they should trade for AJ
McCarron? I read that Elway might try to get him for the Broncos.
 
And By The Way... I was the ONLY MF on this bandwith that screamed
bloody murder when the team opted to pass on Drew Brees the 2nd time and
went for Culpepper... I got flamed relentlessly for suggesting that
Culpepper was a dud and that Brees was going to be the better QB going
forward... No one sided with me on that one.
 
I was also a big fan of drafting Brees at the bottom of the 1st round
when Wannstedt went with the legendary Jamar Fletcher.
 
In fact, everybody was certain that is who they would take.
 
Thank Spielman or Wannstedt or both.
"euphemism@mindspring.com" <euphemism@mindspring.com>: Aug 10 10:13AM -0700

from the Palm Beach Post.
 
============================
Who are the Dolphins playing Thursday night?
 
Oh, that's right. The Atlanta Falcons.
 
But that doesn't really matter at all. In fact, because Miami plays at the Falcons in Week 6, they don't figure to show much at all.
 
But this game is important to a handful of players, some trying to move on the radar for a roster spot. And some trying to keep their starting jobs.
 
Here are five players that should consider themselves under intense scrutiny tonight:
 
Jordan Phillips — It's hard to know how poorly Phillips has practiced in training camp. On the one hand, defensive coordinator Matt Burke said Phillips has really only had one poor practice. On the other hand, Phillips has been benched the last few practices, including a scrimmage, in favor of fifth-round draft pick Davon Godchaux. How much does Phillips care? That's the point. After the scrimmage Phillips repeatedly said to ask the coaches about his demotion. Phillips proclaimed this off-season that he's found a way to play hard more consistently (motor has always been the knock). So whether Phillips starts or comes off the bench against Atlanta, it would serve him well to play very, very hard on every single snap.
 
Julius Thomas — We haven't noticed Thomas in any of Miami's first 11 training camp practices. Or in the spring, really, either. Thomas was working on developing a chemistry with Ryan Tannehill and now Tannehill is injured so perhaps a spark will be struck with new quarterback Jay Cutler. Thomas hasn't looked particularly fast. And he hasn't looked particularly sure-handed. If Thomas is going to have a career renaissance, it figures it will happen under coach Adam Gase. But we're waiting. No time to panic. But it would behoove Thomas to come alive under the bright lights of Hard Rock Stadium.
 
Raekwon McMillan — Everyone talks about how McMillan is smart and mature and composed. That's all good, but he's going to placed in the middle of Miami's defense because the organization feels he can tackle. How well does McMillan tackle Devonta Freeman, Tevin Coleman, Austin Hooper and whatever other Falcons he happens to encounter on Thursday night? When McMillan is in the game he's expected to take all the calls from defensive coordinator Matt Burke and relay them to his much older teammates. McMillan is a solid, sound player. It's going to be fun to watch how he, free agent addition Lawrence Timmons and holdover Kiko Alonso gel as a unit that should be improved.
 
Bobby McCain — According to Burke, McCain is having an excellent camp. That's a good start as McCain tries to hold off veteran Michael Thomas and free agent acquisition Alterraun Verner in the slot. The Dolphins want McCain to be aggressive and create more turnovers. The Dolphins seem deep at corner with starters Xavien Howard and Byron Maxwell and reserves Tony Lippett and Verner. Gase believes McCain is improving in part because he faces Jarvis Landry in practice each day.
 
Jakeem Grant — Grant gained a bit of confidence when he caught two long touchdown passes in the final training camp practice prior to this preseason opener. What's far more important is how Grant handles himself on punt returns and kick returns, where he is first-string, ahead of Kenyan Drake. Grant has the explosiveness to be one of the most exciting returners in the game. But last season Grant fumbled, muffed or mishandled a few balls, leading to consternation. Grant needs to handle the ball cleanly in the preseason.
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