Digest for alt.sports.football.pro.miami-dolphins@googlegroups.com - 16 updates in 2 topics

Thursday, August 10, 2017

Dan the Man <dan708@yahoo.com>: Aug 09 09:10AM -0700


> Will Cutler be terrible, just okay, good or even great? (I don't know.)
 
> Is Matt Moore being truthful when he graciously accepts being pushed aside? (I don't know)
 
> Will Tannehill understand that he now needs to get the surgery and try to return in 2018? (I don't know.)
 
I don't know how things will work out, either. Best case would be Cutler clicking with Gase as they apparently did in CHI; worst case is MIA's problems at guard leading to his being unable to get up to speed, maybe even injured.
"euphemism@mindspring.com" <euphemism@mindspring.com>: Aug 09 10:00AM -0700

On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 11:10:37 AM UTC-5, Dan the Man wrote:
 
> > Is Matt Moore being truthful when he graciously accepts being pushed aside? (I don't know)
 
> > Will Tannehill understand that he now needs to get the surgery and try to return in 2018? (I don't know.)
 
> I don't know how things will work out, either. Best case would be Cutler clicking with Gase as they apparently did in CHI; worst case is MIA's problems at guard leading to his being unable to get up to speed, maybe even injured.
 
 
Cutler Day One was happy news. I guess we won't see him tomorrow night, given he has basically zero time in camp. I hope the chemistry works with Cutler and the team - if he plays really well, then the guys will undoubtedly love him.
 
There are a lot of layers to this onion. If Cutler plays really well, where does that leave Tannehill next year (or this year for that matter)? Cutler's deal is one year and his injury history isn't so great. Things will just keep changing as the weeks roll by. I find all this stuff much more fascinating than Game Of Thrones.
Stu Gotts <ishkabibble99@hotmail.com>: Aug 09 10:56AM -0700


> There are a lot of layers to this onion. If Cutler plays really well, where does that leave Tannehill next year (or this year for that matter)? Cutler's deal is one year and his injury history isn't so great. Things will just keep changing as the weeks roll by. I find all this stuff much more fascinating than Game Of Thrones.
 
No matter how well Cutler plays this year, at this point in his career he's strictly a make-do/stop gap measure. And given RT's injury and less than "franchise qb" level... IMHO the question is... who are they drafting in next years college crap shoot?
 
To my way of thinking it should be QB and OL in 1st 2 rounds... in either order.
"euphemism@mindspring.com" <euphemism@mindspring.com>: Aug 09 11:05AM -0700

On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 12:56:09 PM UTC-5, Stu Gotts wrote:
 
> > There are a lot of layers to this onion. If Cutler plays really well, where does that leave Tannehill next year (or this year for that matter)? Cutler's deal is one year and his injury history isn't so great. Things will just keep changing as the weeks roll by. I find all this stuff much more fascinating than Game Of Thrones.
 
> No matter how well Cutler plays this year, at this point in his career he's strictly a make-do/stop gap measure. And given RT's injury and less than "franchise qb" level... IMHO the question is... who are they drafting in next years college crap shoot?
 
> To my way of thinking it should be QB and OL in 1st 2 rounds... in either order.
 
I agree that Cutler is obviously not a long-term guy - and I have no idea what he's got left. I wonder if he even has one full season to give.
 
Shame for Tannehill because, if he ever was going to establish himself, it was going to be here in 2017. His money for next year is enormous and his worth is in question. I would expect he'll be under a lot of pressure to sign an extension that would amount to a pay cut.
 
Just guessing.
oceantracks@mac.com: Aug 09 12:13PM -0700


> I agree that Cutler is obviously not a long-term guy - and I have no idea what he's got left. I wonder if he even has one full season to give.
 
> Shame for Tannehill because, if he ever was going to establish himself, it was going to be here in 2017. His money for next year is enormous and his worth is in question. I would expect he'll be under a lot of pressure to sign an extension that would amount to a pay cut.
 
> Just guessing.
 
Supposed to be a QB heavy draft class next year. But we stick with RT for about 3 more years to until they realize it will never be his "year to step up."
Drumrboy <drumrboy@aol.com>: Aug 09 02:26PM -0700

2:05 PMeuph...@mindspring.com
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I agree that Cutler is obviously not a long-term guy - and I have no idea what he's got left. I wonder if he even has one full season to give.
 
Shame for Tannehill because, if he ever was going to establish himself, it was going to be here in 2017. His money for next year is enormous and his worth is in question. I would expect he'll be under a lot of pressure to sign an extension that would amount to a pay cut.
 
Just guessing.
 
At worst he's Chad Henne. At best he's Matt Moore. I'm thinking he'll never be anything more than Jay Cutler. Unfortunately, it looks like it's going to take 10 years and $100,000,000 million blown for the powers that be to figure it out.
euphemism <euphemism@mindspring.com>: Aug 09 05:37PM -0500


>> Shame for Tannehill because, if he ever was going to establish himself, it was going to be here in 2017. His money for next year is enormous and his worth is in question. I would expect he'll be under a lot of pressure to sign an extension that would amount to a pay cut.
 
>> Just guessing.
 
> Supposed to be a QB heavy draft class next year. But we stick with RT for about 3 more years to until they realize it will never be his "year to step up."
 
I completely disagree with the sentiment that "we" stick with RT beyond
the first moment that there's a chance to grab a guy that is seen as a
great bet. You are selling Gase short.
 
The people who think that there's some sort of insane loyalty to
Tannehill aren't paying attention. Gase was on the phone with Cutler
the same afternoon that Tannehill was hurt. Matt Moore should have been
the "loyal" next man up and yet he's not.
 
Is it too obvious to point out that Miami MAY NOT have the opportunity
to land the guy you want? The Jets are in the process of openly tanking
their season because they want that #1 pick to get a QB. No matter how
badly the season goes for Miami, they will probably pick outside the top
10. Tannehill was a #8 and everybody hates him....
 
Oh yeah.. and the two QB's picked ahead of him? Who knows if RGIII ever
starts again and Luck's condition is officially stamped Top Secret by
the Colts - he's not even throwing the football. It's sooo easy to find
that franchise QB.
 
I suggest the 4th round...
euphemism <euphemism@mindspring.com>: Aug 09 05:37PM -0500

On 8/9/2017 4:26 PM, Drumrboy wrote:
 
> Shame for Tannehill because, if he ever was going to establish himself, it was going to be here in 2017. His money for next year is enormous and his worth is in question. I would expect he'll be under a lot of pressure to sign an extension that would amount to a pay cut.
 
> Just guessing.
 
> At worst he's Chad Henne. At best he's Matt Moore. I'm thinking he'll never be anything more than Jay Cutler. Unfortunately, it looks like it's going to take 10 years and $100,000,000 million blown for the powers that be to figure it out.
 
You really think that about Gase? That's sure not what I see...
bob@bob.mail: Aug 09 07:36PM -0400

On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 09:06:44 -0700 (PDT), "euphemism@mindspring.com"
 
>Will Cutler be terrible, just okay, good or even great? (I don't know.)
 
>Is Matt Moore being truthful when he graciously accepts being pushed aside? (I don't know)
 
>Will Tannehill understand that he now needs to get the surgery and try to return in 2018? (I don't know.)
 
Either one surviving 16 games behind that line is not likely, at sone
point one will replace the other.
J Lunis <lunis.j@gmail.com>: Aug 09 07:51PM -0400

On 8/9/2017 6:37 PM, euphemism wrote:
> the Colts - he's not even throwing the football. It's sooo easy to find
> that franchise QB.
 
> I suggest the 4th round...
 
If RTan's surgery is a 'success,' he's back. People should give up on
this 'high draft pick qb' in '18. That fantasy is DOA. We'll all know
more next spring.
Stu Gotts <ishkabibble99@hotmail.com>: Aug 09 10:42PM -0700

On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 7:51:35 PM UTC-4, J Lunis wrote:
 
> If RTan's surgery is a 'success,' he's back. People should give up on
> this 'high draft pick qb' in '18. That fantasy is DOA. We'll all know
> more next spring.
 
Tannehill will be coming off an injury requiring surgery... and having missed more than a year of play. He'll be 30... and having had the shit knocked out of him behind a piss poor OL for his entire pro career. And the BEST accolade level he's ever attained is "adequate", or... he can be successful and win with the right support around him.
 
Even if he does come back... don't you think now is the time to try and get a young guy into the system?
J Lunis <lunis.j@gmail.com>: Aug 10 09:08AM -0400

On 8/10/2017 1:42 AM, Stu Gotts wrote:
>> more next spring.
 
> Tannehill will be coming off an injury requiring surgery... and having missed more than a year of play. He'll be 30... and having had the shit knocked out of him behind a piss poor OL for his entire pro career. And the BEST accolade level he's ever attained is "adequate", or... he can be successful and win with the right support around him.
 
> Even if he does come back... don't you think now is the time to try and get a young guy into the system?
 
Two separate questions. 1) What would I do? 2) What to I think Gase
et al will do? I'm going with #2 since no Miami rep has called asking
my opinion. That said, if, say, Jan comes and the surgery is deemed
"successful," RTan will be the presumed starter and QB will be a low
priority. That's the way the NFL works - top QB draft picks are ALWAYS
bottom-dwellers or top teams with few holes (GB and Farve/NE and Brady).
I do not claim prescience and admit I could be wrong, but, given a
"successful" surgery, RTan is the '18 starter.
Stu Gotts <ishkabibble99@hotmail.com>: Aug 10 07:56AM -0700

On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 9:09:00 AM UTC-4, J Lunis wrote:
> bottom-dwellers or top teams with few holes (GB and Farve/NE and Brady).
> I do not claim prescience and admit I could be wrong, but, given a
> "successful" surgery, RTan is the '18 starter.
 
You may well be right... ever since Miss Cleo went over to the "other side" I have no special insight either.
 
But... Gase seems to be here for the long haul... and he undoubtedly knows he's gonna need a top tier QB to truly succeed in today's NFL. And RT's not the guy, nor is he Gases' 2 injuries
Stu Gotts <ishkabibble99@hotmail.com>: Aug 10 08:07AM -0700

On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 9:09:00 AM UTC-4, J Lunis wrote:
> bottom-dwellers or top teams with few holes (GB and Farve/NE and Brady).
> I do not claim prescience and admit I could be wrong, but, given a
> "successful" surgery, RTan is the '18 starter.
 
You may well be right... ever since Miss Cleo went over to the "other side" I have no special insight either.
 
But... Gase seems to be here for the long haul... and he undoubtedly knows he's gonna need a top tier QB to truly succeed in today's NFL. And RT's not that guy, nor is he Gases' guy... he inherited him. 2 injuries to the same knee, missed seasons, surgery, over 30, led the league in knockdowns/sacks the past few years.
 
At this point in time... I know, just pre-season... I see the 2 biggest needs as long term QB and the OL. I hope that the "Phins braintrust" (an oxymoron to be sure) will come to the same conclusion by next April.
"euphemism@mindspring.com" <euphemism@mindspring.com>: Aug 09 11:06AM -0700

lifted from the Bleacher Report:
 
Want to know why Jay Cutler isn't beloved by former teammates? Take this example told to me by a former player who knows Cutler and his former teammate, Brian Urlacher:
 
"Brian [was] beloved by every teammate he's ever had. The consummate professional and surprisingly polite for the physical way he played. He reached out to Cutler for three [years] once they became teammates. Invited him to dinner, golf, his house, etc. Nothing. Cutler never reciprocated."
 
This would explain why Urlacher disliked Cutler and expressed it publicly.
bob@bob.mail: Aug 09 07:52PM -0400

On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 11:06:59 -0700 (PDT), "euphemism@mindspring.com"
 
>Want to know why Jay Cutler isn't beloved by former teammates? Take this example told to me by a former player who knows Cutler and his former teammate, Brian Urlacher:
 
>"Brian [was] beloved by every teammate he's ever had. The consummate professional and surprisingly polite for the physical way he played. He reached out to Cutler for three [years] once they became teammates. Invited him to dinner, golf, his house, etc. Nothing. Cutler never reciprocated."
 
>This would explain why Urlacher disliked Cutler and expressed it publicly.
 
The Dolphins are constantly putting themselves in position of little
choice, at least Cutler already knows the system. Maybe he is a real
douche but they needed someone in a hurry because once again they
mishandled a QB's knee injury. That sports science department must be
paying great dividends. Interesting that Cutler is healed from a
shoulder injury just like Bree's and RT has a bum knee just like
Dante.
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