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Sunday, July 9, 2017

Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jul 09 12:09PM +1000

On 9/07/2017 9:32 AM, Manuel aka Xax wrote:
>> http://www.avg.com
 
> Not that I want to excuse Sela, he was maybe simply tired from his won over Isner.
> What I quite don't get, is that he didn't seemed injured, given how fast Dimitrov had dispatched him during set 1 & 2, I don't think he have to suffer long before eating (at best) another breadstick.
 
Yes, this is my point. At least this way if they pull out you know it's
costing them, & they know too. These guys are businessmen/tradesmen -
very few will put in extra work for no extra reward. They need to be
incentivized to perform.
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com>: Jul 09 12:44PM

On Sat, 08 Jul 2017 16:32:53 -0700, Manuel aka Xax wrote:
 
> What I quite don't get, is that he didn't seemed injured, given how fast
> Dimitrov had dispatched him during set 1 & 2, I don't think he have to
> suffer long before eating (at best) another breadstick.
 
More and more pros seem to be treating tennis matches as if they are
playing chess, where "resigning" in an unwinnable position is the norm.
soccerfan777 <zepfloyes@gmail.com>: Jul 09 06:24AM -0700

On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 7:44:27 AM UTC-5, jdeluise wrote:
> > suffer long before eating (at best) another breadstick.
 
> More and more pros seem to be treating tennis matches as if they are
> playing chess, where "resigning" in an unwinnable position is the norm.
 
If they are doing this quite often ATP/WTA/ITF should fine them. May be dock their prize money by 50% if you retire mid-match and 25% if you retire pre-match. It should be reasonable considering the money the sponsors and organizers lose when this happens.
Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: Jul 08 04:18PM -0700

On Saturday, July 8, 2017 at 3:56:50 PM UTC-7, SliceAndDice wrote:
 
> > I've lost count on these moneygrabbing superhero reboots and certainly
> > don't want to encourage Hollywood by adding to ticket revenue.
 
> Television is a way superior medium these days.
 
Yes, this is the Platinum Age of Television. The transition probably began about 20 years ago, and now there are now a great number of quality shows and documentaries being made. Plenty to choose from.
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com>: Jul 09 12:19PM

On Sun, 09 Jul 2017 01:28:54 +0300, TT wrote:
 
> but rest of the crew was pretty weak script and acting wise. Sort of a
> sequel to 'Prometheus', with some Aliens jumping around. Gotta have
> Weaver. 5/10.
 
I agree with this assessment. This movie had a completely unmemorable
cast besides Fassbender (who did a great job although the character he
played was ridiculously over the top I thought), and also included an
actor who seems to typically play the putz in various B comedies. They
tried to capture the spirit of the first "Alien", I thought, with a
deliberately paced opening and by recycling some of the musical themes
from that film but overall it just didn't work... anyone who has followed
the "Alien" series of movies knows what to expect from this. Once all
hell broke loose it was just another middling sci-fi action movie with
above average special effects. It *was*, however, an improvement over
the laughably bad "Prometheus". Did I hear right that Scott is planning
5 more films in this series?!?
calimero377@gmx.de: Jul 08 11:37PM -0700

On Friday, July 7, 2017 at 11:38:02 AM UTC+2, The Iceberg wrote:
> Watched final 3 sets of Sock vs Ofner last night, along with every American visiting Wimbledon! missed first 2 sets but apparently he was hung over!! Sock smashed sets 3 and 4 and I assumed he'd easy win the 5th set, BUT NO - by then he got tired and slow, also Ofner (who kept complaining to himself about lots of things) kept the same level, served well and stuck in the points, very well done to him, especially now he had to qualify to get in and is now in Round 3!! was really nice to see how happy he was at winning and how he really enjoyed the crowds congratulating him afterwards! Jack Sock basically should stop partying and get fitter!
 
> http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/news/ofner-wimbledon-2017-thursday
 
 
Wo is Theim?
Is he a countryman of Graff, Hass, Kohlschrieber?
 
 
Max
joh <joshorst@gmail.com>: Jul 09 04:45AM -0700


> > http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/news/ofner-wimbledon-2017-thursday
 
> Wo is Theim?
> Is he a countryman of Graff, Hass, Kohlschrieber?
 
Misspelling of names is quite endemic in Anglophonia,
even in texts with academic pretension.
Arrogant smallmindedness, the kind of mindset that begets a Trump?
Brian W Lawrence <brian_w_lawrence@msn.com>: Jul 09 08:52AM +0100

Men
 
Sets
lost
====
0 Nadal, Čilić, A Zverev, Dimitrov, Federer, Djokovic
1 Murray [Fognini], Paire [Dutra Silva], Anderson [Verdasco],
Raonic [Youzhny], Thiem [Simon]
2 Muller [Rosol], B Agut [Gojowczyk, Nishikori], Berdych
[Chardy, Harrison]
3 Querrey [Basilashvili, Tsonga (2)]
5 Mannarino [López, Sugita (2), Monfils (2)]
 
Most have won 9 sets, but Mannarino (8), Dimitrov (7), Federer (7),
Djokovic (7). Incomplete sets played by Dimitrov (Sela, R3),
Federer (Dolgopolov, R1), Mannarino (López, R1), Djokovic (Kližan, R1).
 
Games lost (won) Seed
========== ===== ====
18 Dimitrov (49) [13]
19 Djokovic (45) [2]
28 Murray (59) [1]
28 Nadal (56) [4]
28 Federer (47) [3]
33 A Zverev (55) [10]
37 Bautista Agut (61) [18]
38 Čilić (57) [7]
39 Thiem (60) [8]
42 Paire (60) -
46 Berdych (64) [11]
49 Anderson (61) -
51 Raonic (63) [6]
54 Querrey (66) [24]
54 Muller (71) [16]
58 Mannarino (77) -
 
Women
 
Sets
====
0 Muguruza, Kuznetsova, Wandeweghe, Svitolina, Garcia, Halep
1 Kerber [Rogers], Rybáriková [Ka Pliskova], Martić [Gavrilova],
Williams [Wang], Konta [Vekić]
2 Radwańska [McHale, Bacsinszky], Wozniaki [Babos, Kontaveit],
Konjuh [Begu, Cibulková], Ostapenko [Sasnovich, Abanda],
Azarenka [Bellis, Watson]
 
All 16 have won six sets so far.
 
Games won Seed
===== ==== ====
14 Kuznetsova (37) [7]
16 Muguruza (36) [14]
16 Garcia (36) [21]
19 Wandeweghe (37) [24]
20 Svitolina (39) [4]
21 Rybáriková (40) [PR]
23 Halep (38) [2]
26 Azarenka (42) [PR]
29 Konta (45) [6]
30 Martić (43) [Q]
31 Williams (42) [10]
32 Wozniaki (44) [5]
33 Radwańska (46) [9]
34 Kerber (43) [1]
34 Ostapenko (44) [13]
36 Konjuh (43) [27]
 
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TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Jul 09 02:28PM +0300

Brian W Lawrence kirjoitti 9.7.2017 klo 10:52:
 
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Nice. Next time games win%? ...Is better.
SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Jul 08 07:40PM -0700

On Saturday, July 8, 2017 at 10:16:16 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> > Not sure where you are getting this from
 
> lol, I like " he is trying to hold it together" :)
 
Fed been looking constipated? :)
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Jul 08 10:15PM -0700

On Saturday, July 8, 2017 at 9:06:36 PM UTC-4, SliceAndDice wrote:

> > Seriously, Rafa looking passionate; Nole looks focused; Murray looks determined despite everything and Federer, he looks like he's trying to hold it together. I think he's feeling the pressure, especially after Nadal winning the French. It's almost as if, in his mind, he now needs to respond in kind and knows millions of rabid Federerites are desperate for him to do likewise. The entire situation seems odd, in some ways.
 
> > P
 
> Not sure where you are getting this from.
 
Well, I think Patrick is right that millions of Federerites are desperate for him to win this title and that Federer is trying to reduce the pressure on himself by repeatedly denying that he is 'the' favorite and instead will only admit he is one of the favorites. I think he is trying to recreate the AO situation where there were no expectations on him.
 
It's hard to tell where the Big Four players are really at because they've played clowns so far. Monday will be the real start of the tournament and the real tests for the Big Four players will come.
Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: Jul 08 11:01PM -0700

On Saturday, July 8, 2017 at 10:15:49 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
 
> > Not sure where you are getting this from.
 
> Well, I think Patrick is right that millions of Federerites are desperate for him to win this title and that Federer is trying to reduce the pressure on himself by repeatedly denying that he is 'the' favorite and instead will only admit he is one of the favorites. I think he is trying to recreate the AO situation where there were no expectations on him.
 
> It's hard to tell where the Big Four players are really at because they've played clowns so far. Monday will be the real start of the tournament and the real tests for the Big Four players will come.
 
Nole: Showing signs of 'working' to stay calm (and still randomly losing his cool at times, even when he's well ahead), he's serving well... a few commentators are waiting to see how he reacts to being under the gun and being challenged... will the old Nole surface? He looks like he has a chip on his shoulder though, and for Nole, that's a good thing; he's invested!
 
Andy: That hip is thee mystery of the tournament. Movement's been good but his composure has slipped more than a few times under the pressure of highly contested moments; against Foggy he came through, so, over all a positive.
 
Rafa: Playing well, movement very good and he's getting up into the court... his forehand down the line is dialled in, always a great sign for Rafa. My only concern would be how 'up and jacked' he's been for what should be somewhat normal moments (breaks or great recoveries). I realizes he plays well when the passions are engaged, but, it also expends a lot of energy to constantly be in a state of being wired up... Have to keep an eye out for that in his next couple of matches.
 
Fed: Not starting out of the gate like he normally does. His return of serve has lost some of its sharpness; Lubo will be working on that, one assumes. Hitting a TON of winner and his UE's are coming down, so, that's thee positive moving forward for Fed. That and he's saved a lot of energy for second week winning in straits and having been gifted a retirement (like Nole).
 
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TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Jul 09 10:18AM +0300

Patrick Kehoe kirjoitti 9.7.2017 klo 9:01:
> Nole: Showing signs of 'working' to stay calm (and still randomly losing his cool at times, even when he's well ahead), he's serving well... a few commentators are waiting to see how he reacts to being under the gun and being challenged... will the old Nole surface? He looks like he has a chip on his shoulder though
 
Well he's carrying on his shoulders high hopes and aspirations of entire
nation - Monaco.
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Jul 08 10:22PM -0700

On Saturday, July 8, 2017 at 3:46:14 PM UTC-4, RaspingDrive wrote:
> On Thursday, July 6, 2017 at 11:27:49 AM UTC-4, rec.sport.tennis wrote:
> > Back from the dead, Gulbis beats Del Potro is straight sets.
 
> Useless player. Poor FH.
 
Yes, completely useless. You can't tell a thing about Djokovic's form after playing the awful Gulbis. Next Djokovic gets Mannarino. That will be another slaughter by Djokovic. Djokovic has the easiest draw by far out of the Big Four players. Hopefully that will backfire on him when he gets to the real competition. :)
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Jul 09 08:25AM +0300

Court_1 kirjoitti 9.7.2017 klo 8:22:
>>> Back from the dead, Gulbis beats Del Potro is straight sets.
 
>> Useless player. Poor FH.
 
> Yes, completely useless. You can't tell a thing about Djokovic's form after playing the awful Gulbis. Next Djokovic gets Mannarino. That will be another slaughter by Djokovic. Djokovic has the easiest draw by far out of the Big Four players. Hopefully that will backfire on him when he gets to the real competition. :)
 
Well, has any of the big four faced so far a decent opponent...
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Jul 08 10:27PM -0700

On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 1:25:12 AM UTC-4, TT wrote:
 
> >> Useless player. Poor FH.
 
> > Yes, completely useless. You can't tell a thing about Djokovic's form after playing the awful Gulbis. Next Djokovic gets Mannarino. That will be another slaughter by Djokovic. Djokovic has the easiest draw by far out of the Big Four players. Hopefully that will backfire on him when he gets to the real competition. :)
 
> Well, has any of the big four faced so far a decent opponent...
 
Gulbis sucks. He's no better than Khachanov, M.Zverev, Fognini etc.
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Jul 09 08:31AM +0300

Court_1 kirjoitti 9.7.2017 klo 8:27:
 
>>> Yes, completely useless. You can't tell a thing about Djokovic's form after playing the awful Gulbis. Next Djokovic gets Mannarino. That will be another slaughter by Djokovic. Djokovic has the easiest draw by far out of the Big Four players. Hopefully that will backfire on him when he gets to the real competition. :)
 
>> Well, has any of the big four faced so far a decent opponent...
 
> Gulbis sucks. He's no better than Khachanov, M.Zverev, Fognini etc.
 
So that's a 'no'. No reason to complain about easy draw then...
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Jul 09 12:04AM -0700

On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 1:31:02 AM UTC-4, TT wrote:
 
> >> Well, has any of the big four faced so far a decent opponent...
 
> > Gulbis sucks. He's no better than Khachanov, M.Zverev, Fognini etc.
 
> So that's a 'no'. No reason to complain about easy draw then...
 
Djokovic has the easiest path to the SF imo. If he hand-selected the players for this draw these are some of the players he would select. I hope Djokovic and Federer both make it to the SF because I want to see Federer beat the probably undercooked Djokovic.
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Jul 08 11:16PM -0400

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/jul/08/roger-federer-beats-
mischa-zverev-wimbledon
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TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Jul 09 08:16AM +0300

PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 9.7.2017 klo 6:16:
> https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/jul/08/roger-federer-beats-
> mischa-zverev-wimbledon
 
Is it as serious as his mono?
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Jul 08 10:25PM -0700

On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 1:15:56 AM UTC-4, TT wrote:
> > https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/jul/08/roger-federer-beats-
> > mischa-zverev-wimbledon
 
> Is it as serious as his mono?
 
Don't go there with that when you look at Nadal's laundry list of "injuries."
Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: Jul 08 10:50PM -0700

On Saturday, July 8, 2017 at 8:16:21 PM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/jul/08/roger-federer-beats-
> mischa-zverev-wimbledon
 
 
Well, better for him that he's been going through it during the first week, than latter part of next week...
 
Next match potentially physically taxing, so, he'll need plenty of sleep tonight and Sunday night... :)
 
Keep away from dairy products :))))
 
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PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Jul 08 08:08PM -0700

> Tell me the truth, :), you came up with the 30% number above based on the statement in the article that it used to be 30% red fescue, right ?
 
What's wrong in what I said? I said making it all ryegrass will increase the forward resistance of the ball by the additional percentage of ryegrass.
 
Also removing the other slippery grass will cause the ball to bounce higher.
 
The total effect is slower higher bounce court.
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Jul 09 08:15AM +0300

Shakes kirjoitti 9.7.2017 klo 2:45:
 
>> Interesting. Ryegrass is like most of other grass, it is standing vertical grass while the creeping red fescue is too soft and stays on the ground.
 
>> Getting rid of the red fescue should add 30% more resistance to the forward path of the ball.
 
> Tell me the truth, :), you came up with the 30% number above based on the statement in the article that it used to be 30% red fescue, right ?
 
And if it was all red fescue then the ball would instantly stop when
hitting grass. Waleed math.
heyguys00@gmail.com: Jul 08 08:28PM -0700

Mugu hasn't been broken yet in the tournament. Impressive so far.
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