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Sunday, July 16, 2017

stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: Jul 16 11:49AM -0500

After today's match, Mac said that Pete thought that after he won
Wimbledon #7, nobody would catch him in a million years.
 
This has to be just about as tough as the day Fed won slam #15. Brutal.
 
 
 
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kaennorsing <ljubitsis@hotmail.com>: Jul 16 10:04AM -0700

Op zondag 16 juli 2017 18:49:55 UTC+2 schreef StephenJ:
> After today's match, Mac said that Pete thought that after he won
> Wimbledon #7, nobody would catch him in a million years.
 
> This has to be just about as tough as the day Fed won slam #15. Brutal.
 
Nobody will forget Pete's amazing reign though; 7 out of 8 years will probably never be done again. Nor will 8 over 14 years. Both incredible, out of this world type of achievements. We've been spoiled with the caliber of champions in the last few generations and it seems like we're paying the price with the current and next era (19-29 year olds) of talent... or lack thereof.
 
So I don't think Pete's in pain much - if at all. He's probably enjoying it actually, as he's a Federer fan as well... Like the rest of the world. I would like to hear from him though. Just to get his opinion.
stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: Jul 16 11:48AM -0500

> On 7/16/2017 9:55 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> You are the favorite for me. Skip Canada and take Cinci.
 
A 6th US Open, which would break his tie with Connors and Sampras for
Open Era greatest, and which would also give him a 20th slam title,
would indeed be sweet.
 
 
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Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Jul 16 09:17AM -0700

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 8:57:20 AM UTC-7, John Liang wrote:
 
 
> Where is lttle bob ?
 
 
I think bnb said he was going to Germany, where there are apparently no internets. /s
Jason White <infiniti_g35_guy88@yahoo.com>: Jul 16 09:26AM -0700

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 8:47:09 AM UTC-7, StephenJ wrote:
> undisputed Open Era Greatest, Bestest, Peakest, Longevitiest, and every
> other superlative that a player can have.
 
> That's just the way it is, as of right now, July 2017.
 
Incredible achievements and wins. Not many of them have come against the top rivals, which is also true. #8 came against a sobbing opponent. Conquering the tougher opponents, ones on similar historic level, is the only true "blemish." 8th win was great, but the match itself is forgettable.
Makarand Patil <sportsfan123@cooltoad.com>: Jul 16 09:29AM -0700

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 8:47:09 AM UTC-7, StephenJ wrote:
 
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Haters gonna hate, no matter what. Fed haters, essentially the two resident Sampras fanboys, continuing to stay the same (and say the same trash "clown era, H2H" ), no matter what Fed achieves, is one certainty in RST. They are essentially hardwired that way. If they could have changed, they would have changed after 2009 Wimbledon or 2012 Wimbledon.
SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Jul 16 09:33AM -0700

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 12:26:59 PM UTC-4, Jason White wrote:
> > other superlative that a player can have.
 
> > That's just the way it is, as of right now, July 2017.
 
> Incredible achievements and wins. Not many of them have come against the top rivals, which is also true. #8 came against a sobbing opponent. Conquering the tougher opponents, ones on similar historic level, is the only true "blemish." 8th win was great, but the match itself is forgettable.
 
Wimbledon #8 was definitely the greater accomplishment, but AO #5 was probably more satisfying for multiple reasons :)
stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: Jul 16 11:47AM -0500

On 7/16/2017 11:29 AM, Makarand Patil wrote:
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> Haters gonna hate, no matter what.
 
I'm curious to see if you prove correct. It's obvious that right now,
Fed has clearly out-distanced everyone of the open era on all possible
relevant criteria, so bowing down is the only logical thing to do. All
possible criticisms have been answered.
 
Anyone who continues to doubt this is just engaging in pure irrational hate.
stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: Jul 16 11:42AM -0500

Some points about Borg's and Federer's runs to the titles without the
loss of a set.
 
(1) Borg was 21-0 in sets en route to the title. Rogers won 19 full sets
and one half-set, as his first round opponent retired down 3-0 in set two.
 
(2) Roger won 5 of his sets in tiebreakers. In 1976, the tiebreaking
rule was different. Tiebreakers were still first to seven points, win by
two, but at Wimbledon, a tiebreaker wasn't played until the game score
was level at 8, not six.
 
Borg won one of those, beating Roscoe Tanner 9-8 in the second set of
their semifinal, he won the TB by a 7-2 score. Borg was down a set point
at 4-5 (games) in that set, it was the only set point against him he
faced in the tournament.
 
There was only one other set that Borg played that would have gone to a
TB under today's rules: Set 3 versus Nastase in the final, which Borg
won 9-7.
 
(3) Borg was the 4th seed in the event, and beat seeds 14 (Gottfried), 6
(Vilas), 7 (Tanner) and 3 (Nastase). Federer was the 3rd seed, and beat
seeds 13, 11, 7, and 6 to win the title.
 
Anyway, just some trivia on two great accomplishments. Hard to believe
that with all the great W champs the past 40 years, nobody could match
Borg until Roger did it this year.
 
 
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John Liang <jliang70@gmail.com>: Jul 16 09:33AM -0700

On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 4:03:42 AM UTC+10, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> A bigger big hitter to come.
 
Berdych ended up the toughest opponent for Federer in this Wimbledon.
Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Jul 16 09:20AM -0700

...and the sublimest tennis I've seen in 49 years of watching and playing.
 
 
 
Twenty does have an appealing ring to it, though
SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Jul 16 09:27AM -0700

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 12:20:41 PM UTC-4, Carey wrote:
> ...and the sublimest tennis I've seen in 49 years of watching and playing.
 
> Twenty does have an appealing ring to it, though
 
20 slams and 100 titles sounds even better :)
Federer Fanatic <TheRelentlessTide@nospam.invalid>: Jul 16 09:53AM -0500

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 00:51:50 +1000, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com> wrote:
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| Small mercy.
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Indeed!
 
FF
 
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The measure of a man is what he does with power.
- Plato
stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: Jul 16 11:25AM -0500

On 7/16/2017 9:51 AM, Whisper wrote:
 
> Small mercy.
 
I disagree with those who say he tanked mentally. Seems like he had a
minor foot/ankle issue coming in to the match, you could see that it was
taped before he called for the trainer. I think he then exacerbated it
when he slipped midway through the first set making that great angled
return off Fed's drop shot.
 
It happens to big guys like that, and it also shows the big advantage
Federer had over not over Cilic but also Murray and Nadal by skipping
the clay events avoiding that kind of wear and tear.
 
 
 
 
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stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: Jul 16 11:22AM -0500

> On 7/16/2017 10:12 AM, Jason White wrote:
> Certainly, no one will question this decision now.
 
Career management is a massive part of a player's on-court results, and
Fed's off the court decisions the past year have been impeccable, the
ROI on taking the last 6 months of 2016 off, and skipping clay, which I
questioned, have been off the charts.
 
 
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stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: Jul 16 11:20AM -0500

On 7/16/2017 10:45 AM, rec.sport.tennis wrote:
> "Muscles" won slams in 1953 and 1970 - so Federer has some way to go yet.
 
Not really fair to count pre-open era slams in this kind of comparison,
as KE's pre-open slams were amateur events sans the best players.
 
 
 
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Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jul 17 12:50AM +1000

On 17/07/2017 12:49 AM, Court_1 wrote:
> But he couldn't make it past the QF for the sixth year in a row.
 
Yeah but he wouldn't be caving mentally like this.
 
 
 
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soccerfan777 <zepfloyes@gmail.com>: Jul 16 09:07AM -0700

Steve has friends???
SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Jul 16 09:19AM -0700

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 11:28:14 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
> Obviously I wanted him out of the way, but it's sad to see players melt down on the biggest stage of all. Very odd considering how unflappable he was in the USO final against Federer. Just goes to show that the stakes at Wimbledon are higher than anywhere else.
 
> Was he really injured? Who knows? If he was just falling apart mentally, calling the trainer might still make sense to save some face and perhaps disrupt Federer's rhythm. Fortunately that didn't happen.
 
He is still young, hopefully he gets more chances. He certainly has the game.
soccerfan777 <zepfloyes@gmail.com>: Jul 16 09:09AM -0700

That would have meant a calendar slam at this age!
Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: Jul 16 09:16AM -0700

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 9:09:23 AM UTC-7, soccerfan777 wrote:
 
> That would have meant a calendar slam at this age!
 
If he wins the USO, I'm sure he'll be quite happy to have 3-out-of-4 and #20. Decision to skip the FO was the right one.
stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: Jul 16 11:16AM -0500

On 7/16/2017 10:53 AM, SliceAndDice wrote:
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> Can't believe he is winning Wimbledon after 5 years. Unbelievable.
 
Yes, last time he won it, the London Olympics hadn't yet happened. It
would be pretty impressive to 5 years between W wins at any age, but he
was already 30 at that time!
 
He's entering Serena territory in terms of longevity records, and
overall achievements across men and women. Really, he's so out-distanced
the other men of the Open Era that if you want to challenge him, you
have to mention Serena, as silly as that kind of comparison is.
John Liang <jliang70@gmail.com>: Jul 16 09:12AM -0700

On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 1:53:33 AM UTC+10, rec.sport.tennis wrote:
> At best I can see him winning one more slam away from Roland Garros.
> Which leaves him needing 3 more FOs to tie with RF. Possible?
 
Possible, but clay is most physical demanding surface and as he gets older than the windows of opportunity narrows each year. Who knows what will happen to both Nadal and Federer next year ? They are old now their slam winning days could stop any time. We all know Nadal took 3 years to get his form back, if he presses too hard he could be up for a career ending injury. I think 19 is out of reach for Nadal.
Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Jul 16 09:08AM -0700

It's funny watching Limpy try to move the goalposts yet again. His blithe idiocy
knows no bounds.
 

NINETEEN.
 

 
heh
stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: Jul 15 11:03PM -0500

On 7/15/2017 11:56 AM, TT wrote:
 
>> Your loss. :(
 
> Well I've seen (and rated) every planet of the apes film ever made, all
> 9 of them. Yeah, I sure am limited in that respect.
 
Well then go see this one, arguably the best, and 'rate' it as well.
What's stopping you?
 
 
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