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Sunday, July 16, 2017

SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Jul 16 05:46PM -0700

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 8:42:28 PM UTC-4, jdeluise wrote:
 
> > Don't bet on Rafa on grass. He will raise your hopes only to leave you
> > disheartened.
 
> Like Nishi on all surfaces?
 
I think it is foolhardy to bet on Nishi on any surface. The guy is a brilliant shotmaker, but too diminutive and fragile to be at the very top rung. He is a good for a upset or two. That said, I hope he wins a slam.
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Jul 16 08:55PM -0700

Personally, I hope for a competitive Fedal final at the USO. These players other than the Big Four (when the Big Four are playing well) are huge disappointments to watch. They simply can't step up in the most crucial moments. Even with Cilic who was playing very good grass court tennis this season, when he has to face Big Four members he usually fumbles. Just think if he had to play Nadal and then Murray. I don't think he would have made it to Federer in that case. His draw opened up and he was able to get to Federer. But I would NEVER bet on Cilic in a slam final over a Federer in decent form.
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Jul 16 08:57PM -0700

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 11:12:51 AM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:
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> Nadal will not be in the US open final. Trust me.
 
Who will be then? Nadal is a lot better on hc than he is on grass.
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Jul 16 08:24PM -0700

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 11:58:34 AM UTC-4, StephenJ wrote:
 
> Unimpressed by those who criticize a match prediction long after that
> match is underway. But then again, your lack of integrity has shown on
> numerous occasions these past couple months, so no surprise.
 
Your reading comp skills are once again faulty. I picked Federer to win the title--check my picks in the David W contest. There was no way Cilic (injured or not) was going to beat Federer in a Wimbledon final and I said that days ago. Just admit that once again, you failed with your prediction.
 
Cilic is usually a mental midget vs Big Four players. He played nothing but clowns at this Wimbledon and at the grass tune-ups. He had match points vs Federer last year at Wimbledon and choked and that was vs a physically impaired Federer. No way was he going to beat Federer in this form.
 
Sorry but you're a clown.
Darkfalz <darkfalz.public@gmail.com>: Jul 16 08:53PM -0700

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 10:59:33 PM UTC+10, StephenJ wrote:
 
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Cilic got taken apart like the big serving clown he is. I think most of the top players would have taken him apart.
Tuan <phamquangtuan48@gmail.com>: Jul 16 07:38PM -0700

On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 9:59:48 AM UTC+10, jdeluise wrote:
 
> I suppose there would have to be a consideration for length of a
> tournament. Adding best of 5 for women would definitely have an impact
> on scheduling.
 
How about 5 set just for the final?
Tuan <phamquangtuan48@gmail.com>: Jul 16 07:39PM -0700

On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 9:56:28 AM UTC+10, Jason White wrote:
> > https://www.datalounge.com/thread/19274348-why-aren-t-the-women-s-tennis-matches-best-of-5-like-the-men-s-matches-
 
> > Women certainly have the stamina to go a maximum of five matches, so there's no physical reason for this disparity. Plus, if a woman wins in straight sets, the match seems too short. Expanding to a best of 5 would add a lot of excitement to the game.
 
> Scheduling matches is already enough of a nightmare, as-is.
 
How about 5 sets just for the final?
Darkfalz <darkfalz.public@gmail.com>: Jul 16 08:51PM -0700

On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 12:39:28 PM UTC+10, Tuan wrote:
 
> > > Women certainly have the stamina to go a maximum of five matches, so there's no physical reason for this disparity. Plus, if a woman wins in straight sets, the match seems too short. Expanding to a best of 5 would add a lot of excitement to the game.
 
> > Scheduling matches is already enough of a nightmare, as-is.
 
> How about 5 sets just for the final?
 
For the semis and final. Since the semis don't take place on the same day as men's quarters generally (maybe at USO?).
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Jul 16 05:57PM -0700

> Of course. But really, other than Rafa, who else could have given Fed trouble in the final today? Did you guys enjoy one of the ugliest slam finals I have ever seen?
 
Why is difficult for you guys to comprehend that this Nadal is no good on grass to reach the final and this translates to that he would be no threat to Federer if he played him on grass?
 
It's stupid what people said that if nadal makes it to the second week he will win the title beating Federer.
 
So they are worried he can lose early but if he doesn't he will win magically.
Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: Jul 16 06:01PM -0700

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 5:57:06 PM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:
 
> Why is difficult for you guys to comprehend that this Nadal is no good on grass to reach the final and this translates to that he would be no threat to Federer if he played him on grass?
 
> It's stupid what people said that if nadal makes it to the second week he will win the title beating Federer.
 
> So they are worried he can lose early but if he doesn't he will win magically.
 
The reasoning is that Federer would be paralyzed with terror because Nadal eked out a Wimbledon win against him 9 years ago in the dark.
Jason White <infiniti_g35_guy88@yahoo.com>: Jul 16 07:26PM -0700

Trolling over and over again, and the same suspects can't help but take the bait.
Guypers <gapp111@gmail.com>: Jul 16 07:29PM -0700

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 9:02:00 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
 
> > It's stupid what people said that if nadal makes it to the second week he will win the title beating Federer.
 
> > So they are worried he can lose early but if he doesn't he will win magically.
 
> The reasoning is that Federer would be paralyzed with terror because Nadal eked out a Wimbledon win against him 9 years ago in the dark.
 
If Fed played like he did today, with a bigger racket head, and attacking style in 08, would have won in three sets!
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Jul 16 08:25PM -0700

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 8:10:20 PM UTC-4, RaspingDrive wrote:
> > > AO 2017.
 
> > Jaros said he had a 45% chance.
 
> Didn't he also say that Cilic will crush Federer?
 
Yes. Repeatedly.
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Jul 16 08:30PM -0700

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 6:58:03 PM UTC-4, undecided wrote:
> > Those. Years.
 
> > LNC
 
> Of course. But really, other than Rafa, who else could have given Fed trouble in the final today? Did you guys enjoy one of the ugliest slam finals I have ever seen?
 
I agree with you that Nadal is probably the only one who could have given Federer a bit of a challenge but why discuss it if Nadal hasn`t been good enough to get to Federer at Wimbledon in six years? Also, none of Nadal's matches at the FO were competitive either. Did you enjoy watching those matches? Don't be a hypocrite.
 
I admit the Cilic-Federer final sucked but so did the Wawrinka-Nadal final at the FO.
 
Maybe we'll get a Nadal-Federer final at the USO where Nadal seems to play better than at Wimbledon.
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Jul 16 08:32PM -0700

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 10:29:14 PM UTC-4, Guypers wrote:
 
> If Fed played like he did today, with a bigger racket head, and attacking style in 08, would have won in three sets!
 
Don't get carried away. It wouldn't have been three sets vs Nadal.
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Jul 16 06:05PM -0700

> Both historic happenings..interesting responses :
 
 
No response from Nadal. Right?
 
Maybe no net on the boat.
SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Jul 16 06:50PM -0700

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 9:05:08 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> > Both historic happenings..interesting responses :
 
> No response from Nadal. Right?
 
> Maybe no net on the boat.
 
Yep..Nadal seems very sore after this loss. Maybe he sensed a real opportunity.
fymido_lenito@yahoo.com: Jul 16 06:39PM -0700

After his run to YEC and #1, I thought he finally broke out of being the "last" one of the Big 4. In his age group, his tennis abilities seem to be on par with Nadal and Djokovic. However, his defensive mindset in big matches let him down. I thought 2017 will be his year.
 
I do hope he comes back strong for the rest of the year. As good a story it has been for Nadal and Federer this year, I would rather see younger players dominate (like Murray being #1) and win slams (maybe Zverev?).
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Jul 16 06:10PM -0700

> I did not get the sense that Shakes hates Federer. He is just more of a Sampras/Djoker fan who once was a Fed fan but gave up on him for some reason. Right?
 
He can love or hate whoever he wants but he has his own preferences and wishes as well and one of them was he didn't want Federer to win the 8th wimbledon, and having his own preferences is no different than others that favors one player or another.
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Jul 16 06:03PM -0700

> Is that 100 points on the fabled 7543 scale?
 
Hey, you said Federer isn't winning this one :)
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Jul 16 05:46PM -0700

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 6:46:40 PM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:
> > > come down to who plays more events.
 
> > Depends on how much he decides to play post-USO. I get the feeling that number 1 is no big deal for him anymore.
 
> he knows the most important record is beyond him.
 
He whispered into Icey's ears!
SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Jul 16 05:48PM -0700

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 8:42:45 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:
 
> I know he said this but I think this will change if he won the USO.
 
> Actually I am worried he may lose motivation to continue playing if he won the USO.
 
> What will be left that he needs to achieve?
 
Nadal and Djokovic trying to catch him might be motivation enough?
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Jul 16 05:59PM -0700

>Nadal and Djokovic trying to catch him might be motivation enough?
 
At some point this craziness will stop :)
 
Family is calling him.
DavidW <no@email.provided>: Jul 17 10:56AM +1000

Congrats to Manuel aka Xax and Michal Jankowski for winning the RST 2017
Wimbledon contest with 12 points!
 
This was the 3rd win for Manuel aka Xax and the 6th for Michal Jankowski.
 
http://home.pacific.net.au/~davidw/tennis/contest/rst_2017sp_WM.html
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Jul 16 05:47PM -0700

> What if Cilic played Berdych instead?
 
He would have played ten sets no problem at all.
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