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Wednesday, July 12, 2017

Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jul 12 10:47PM +1000

On 12/07/2017 10:38 PM, SliceAndDice wrote:
 
>> I thought Muller would be dangerous, but to lead 63 64 leads me to think
>> concussion was a factor? And yes Cilic is looking ominous.
 
> You picked him to go out in the first round. How about giving Muller some credit? Not many players would have hung with Nadal in the 5th set like he did. And he has beaten Nadal here before, so no fluke.
 
That was tongue in cheek. Of course I didn't think he'd be playing this
well, but I thought he'd win a set & have t/b's etc. I also see he just
won 1st set v Cilic 6-3 with *2 breaks*. One would think he'd be tired
& Cilic well rested?
 
 
 
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The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 12 06:11AM -0700

On Wednesday, 12 July 2017 11:50:20 UTC+1, John Liang wrote:
> > > did a jump and banged his head on the door frame:
 
> > yes this was probably the problem and also that Muller played the best, most focused, most dedicated match he's ever played in his entire life, course he would've just folded vs Fed.
 
> The problem is Nadal needed to lift his game to beat Muller and he could not do it. Don't blame Muller for beating Nadal. I am sure most of the players that beat Nadal in the last four or five Wimbledons would not beat Federer.
 
it's very difficult when the guy is going all out, maxing and doing anything he can possibly do physically, just like Rosol did and Darcis who nearly broke his own arm trying to get Nadal out of the contest so Fed could get to the final that time.
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Jul 12 06:11AM -0700

On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 5:50:38 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
 
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Trying to jump up and down like a monkey where he did appeared amusing. Apparently he appears to be blithely unaware that there is a place for such things.
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 12 06:12AM -0700

On Wednesday, 12 July 2017 11:47:21 UTC+1, John Liang wrote:
 
> > It's not an excuse, but may have played a big role in losing 1st 2 sets.
> > Ask a doctor & see what they say.
 
> Sorry, Nadal had 3 weeks break between FO and Wimbledon, he played two exo in that time. At Wimbledon he had 3 straight sets wins, he played a total of 9 sets with only 1 set going to a tiebreak. I don't know how you can explain your way with tiredness as an excuse for Nadal. Nadal played an opponent that is older than him and has been on court much longer for his 3 matches. If anything Muller should be a lot more tired than Nadal going into this match.
 
it's not tiredness, it was concussion, he hit his head, it's really hard to understand as this is what the thread is about, did you miss that in the above post and link?
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 12 06:13AM -0700

On Wednesday, 12 July 2017 12:14:10 UTC+1, Court_1 wrote:
 
> The problem is that Nadal's ROS on grass is a weakness vs big servers. You can't write this result off as an anomaly when Nadal has lost early at Wimbledon to big hitting/big serving guys for six years. That's your BOAT?
 
> Now would be a good time to act like a normal human being and say your prediction that Nadal would beat Federer in the final in straights was way out of whack.
 
> And lol @ you pinning your hopes on Cilic beating Federer in the final. Let's see if Cilic can get by Murray (assuming they meet.) Hopefully Federer can beat Raonic.
 
how messed up is that, Courto wants Fed to beat a Canadian.
Tim <firemonkey@gatty.co.uk>: Jul 12 02:33PM +0100

On 12/07/2017 11:34, Whisper wrote:
 
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Was anyone else to blame for Nadal bumping his head ? He shouldn't have
been such a prat.
 
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Tim <firemonkey@gatty.co.uk>: Jul 12 02:41PM +0100

On 12/07/2017 11:38, Whisper wrote:
 
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He recovered enough to win the 3rd and 4th sets but then relapsed to
lose the 5th set?
 
There's always an excuse when Rafa loses by the Rafatards. Sometimes he
just loses to the better player on the day.
 
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heyguys00@gmail.com: Jul 12 06:39AM -0700

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 5:22:48 PM UTC-4, SliceAndDice wrote:
 
> > > Harsh to call him a one trick pony.
 
> > Nadal slams are two-thirds clay. Djok's are two-thirds HC. Is he a one-trick pony too?
 
> But 50% of the slams are on hard, only 25% of them on clay. So Djoker's slams are not that ridiculously skewed.
 
Many all time greats have around 50% of their slams from one slam (Djok, Sampras, Nav [Borg and Court too, but special circumstances with them]). Isn't it the case with Nadal that he's just more unbeatable at his best slam than Djok is at his? If Nadal's level at the FO was the same as DJok's at the AO, Nadal would probably only have 6 FOs and we wouldn't be talking about this.
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Jul 12 06:34AM -0700

Going through the pain and suffering of being a Federer fan.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jul 12 10:47PM +1000

On 12/07/2017 10:40 PM, The Iceberg wrote:
 
>> So it was a good match from Rafa?
 
> he only lost cos of Muller's improved backhand.
 
Any chance he may be juicing? He's beating Cilic atm.
 
 
 
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SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Jul 12 05:57AM -0700

On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 8:48:04 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
 
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He has added more dimensions to his grasscourt game, to complement his great serve. Could be a serious title contender, if he continues playing like this.
ahonkan <ahonkan@gmail.com>: Jul 12 05:59AM -0700

On Wednesday, 12 July 2017 18:18:04 UTC+5:30, Whisper wrote:

> Any chance he may be juicing? He's beating Cilic atm.
 
Just because he beat Rafa in a hard-fought 5-setter and took 1 set
from Cilic?
Using the same logic, you should have asked the same question of Rafa
when he has suddenly been in the best form of the last 4 years, winning
everything on clay, reaching finals off clay and winning the FO w/o
losing a set.
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Jul 12 05:59AM -0700

On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 8:41:07 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:
 
> > > So it was a good match from Rafa?
 
> > He did his best but couldn't win. He should have watched Federer's 2014 win over Muller before his match.
 
> that wouldn't have helped much cos it would just show Muller totally folding.
 
Presumptuous bugger, is 6-3 7-5 6-3 evidence of 'total folding'?
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Jul 12 06:07AM -0700

On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 8:57:09 AM UTC-4, SliceAndDice wrote:
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> He has added more dimensions to his grasscourt game, to complement his great serve. Could be a serious title contender, if he continues playing like this.
 
great serve and crafty game but relatively poor movement.
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Jul 12 06:27AM -0700

> Any chance he may be juicing? He's beating Cilic atm.
 
You are asking if Nadal opponent is juicing? lol
ahonkan <ahonkan@gmail.com>: Jul 12 05:55AM -0700

On Wednesday, 12 July 2017 16:55:25 UTC+5:30, Court_1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 7:00:07 AM UTC-4, John Liang wrote:
 
> > Djokovic has by far the easiest of the draw, his form is solid but not sure his form is better than Federer's.
 
> Yes. Djokovic's draw is the easiest out of all the Big Four players without a doubt. I think if both get to the SF, Federer should beat him this time and if he doesn't, he should be ashamed. What has Djokovic done all year?
 
Well, he has got a lot of rest which comes from not going deep in most
tournaments. He also has 2 titles, incl 1 on grass coming into W.
So he appears to be peaking.
 
Plus, if you believe Mac's 'Tiger' analogy, Djoker only needed to get his
head screwed on right. And he has certainly chosen the right man for
that. Agassi, who transformed his flashy, trashy 'Image Is Everything'
self into a respected, much-loved elder statesman and also turned his
career around. So he should be able to get back to top form relatively
quickly.
Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Jul 12 06:01AM -0700

On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 4:25:25 AM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
 
>I think if both get to the SF, Federer should beat him this time and if he doesn't, he should be ashamed. What has Djokovic done all year?
 
 
Fed should be ashamed if he doesn't, at 36, beat a top player six years younger than him?
 
Seek help.
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Jul 12 06:10AM -0700

> Fed should be ashamed if he doesn't, at 36, beat a top player six years younger than him?
 
Seek help.
 
Court1 already said two years ago Federer was finished.
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Jul 12 06:15AM -0700

On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 9:01:16 AM UTC-4, Carey wrote:
 
> >I think if both get to the SF, Federer should beat him this time and if he doesn't, he should be ashamed. What has Djokovic done all year?
 
> Fed should be ashamed if he doesn't, at 36, beat a top player six years younger than him?
 
> Seek help.
 
Yes. If you compare the forms of Federer and Djokovic this year and take into account Federer is the greater grass court player, Federer should be ashamed if he loses to Djokovic IMO.
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Jul 12 06:16AM -0700

On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 8:55:36 AM UTC-4, ahonkan wrote:
> self into a respected, much-loved elder statesman and also turned his
> career around. So he should be able to get back to top form relatively
> quickly.
 
Djokovic has a grass title from Eastbourne playing a bunch of nobodies. Given their respective forms this year, Federer should beat Djokovic. No excuses.
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Jul 12 06:25AM -0700

I think it will probably be a Murray-Federer final.
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 12 06:09AM -0700

LOL the very very very highly dangerous Cilic has just lost the first set to Muller!
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Jul 12 06:13AM -0700

On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 9:09:22 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:
> LOL the very very very highly dangerous Cilic has just lost the first set to Muller!
 
lol, the inveterate 'folder' just won the first set!
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Jul 12 06:25AM -0700

> LOL the very very very highly dangerous Cilic has just lost the first set to Muller!
 
Murray dropped a set to the dangerous Querry
joh <joshorst@gmail.com>: Jul 12 05:58AM -0700

Op woensdag 12 juli 2017 11:31:27 UTC+2 schreef The Iceberg:
 
> > http://media.boreme.com/post_media/2009/maria-sharapova-bikini-shoot-3-1.jpg
 
> > http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/08/article-2652010-1E929C1C00000578-990_634x646.jpg
 
> If she asked me, I would definitely go out with her!
 
Well, she has time on her hands. Haven't you been asked yet?
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