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Wednesday, July 5, 2017

The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 05 06:59AM -0700


> > LOL bring it on, it would be hilarious cos we'd end up owning you lot.
 
> Lol, even in two world wars you had to run to your American cousins whining and crying for help. And even the Russkis had to help!
 
> And Germany was virtually alone. I think we should invade the UK and punish the Brexiteer elites. One of Merkel Assistant Deputies can be Interim Governor in England for example.
 
you Germans started it and lost to us Brits, twice.
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 05 07:04AM -0700


> > > It/they don't have much power, but they ARE elected.
 
> > that moron presidente Juncker isn't.
 
> Of course he is elected. Your Queen isn't though. And what is with the House of Lords, dummy?
 
who by??? LOL, what joke. Mind you, you would be defending a centralised unelected body run by Germany that reigns over the whole of Europe, just like what your pal Hitler wanted.
 
> That a BRIT is complaining about lack of a democratic legitimation in the EU is truly hilarious!!!
 
you wouldn't get it, thicko, cos our system works and has done for centuries, it wasn't just invented by a bunch of utter liars in the 60's lying to the people about it being a trade organisation. You have your EUSSR and we'll keep out of it, just like Churchill said, the guy that whooped you to bits in WW2.
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 05 07:05AM -0700

On Tuesday, 4 July 2017 21:45:51 UTC+1, Gerrit Rijtoopje wrote:
 
> >> Actually, it's howling nonsense. Never heard of MEP's?
 
> >no it's the truth, eg. can you even name your one?
 
> Yes, and you have just contradicted yourself.
 
oh stop lying, you have no idea.
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 05 02:04AM -0700

> Trump can do anything . His zombie moronic supporters will always back him, as presented in the sample case post right above this one
 
your parents always voted Democrat and you voted Hillary, amazing! lol
Pelle Svanslos <pelle@svans.los>: Jul 05 12:30PM +0300

> I mean, really ... ?
 
> Oh, BTW - NYT?
 
> Lol
 
Krugman too. Lol, what was I thinking ...
 
... but:
 
"According to a new Fox News (<-- lol) poll, only 27 percent of the
American public views the Senate's health care bill favorably — with a
mere 11 percent strongly approving of it — confirming a growing trend of
unpopularity for the Better Care Reconciliation Act.
 
Meanwhile, the Affordable Care Act, which Republicans are so adamant
about repealing, is increasing in popularity, with a 52 percent approval
rating. Ever since Republicans ramped up their efforts to repeal
Obamacare, the ACA has become more popular than before."
 
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/3/15913536/obamacare-popular-republican-health-bill
 
Republicans? Lol.
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 05 06:57AM -0700

On Wednesday, 5 July 2017 10:30:50 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslos wrote:
> Obamacare, the ACA has become more popular than before."
 
> https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/3/15913536/obamacare-popular-republican-health-bill
 
> Republicans? Lol.
 
TRUMP WON!
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Jul 05 04:38AM -0700

> Post-1945 the UK's role as world power ended. From now on it isn't even a second-rate power anymore. We will see the radically diminished role in the near future. They are set to lose their permanent seat in the UN Security Council, too.
 
Very expected after burger flippers felt threatened by skilled intelligent people around them.
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 05 06:57AM -0700

On Wednesday, 5 July 2017 12:38:49 UTC+1, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> > Post-1945 the UK's role as world power ended. From now on it isn't even a second-rate power anymore. We will see the radically diminished role in the near future. They are set to lose their permanent seat in the UN Security Council, too.
 
> Very expected after burger flippers felt threatened by skilled intelligent people around them.
 
yeah surrounded by those as clever as reckoning 911 was a big conspiracy done by aliens!!
John Liang <jliang70@gmail.com>: Jul 05 02:42AM -0700

On Wednesday, July 5, 2017 at 7:24:02 PM UTC+10, Whisper wrote:
 
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With Tomic it was very easy to predict, you look at his build, his athletic ability, mobility, dedication it wasn't really difficult to predict he wasn't a slam winning material let alone 'destine to be No.1 or multi slam winner' as you predicted. Mulit slam winners always has something special about them it does not take a great deal of knowledge of the game to see where Tomic came up short against most of No.1 and multi slam winners.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jul 05 07:23PM +1000

On 5/07/2017 4:45 PM, John Liang wrote:
 
>> What's funny is Tomic described himself as 'top 10 in the world on
>> grass' just yesterday.
 
> Even funnier was your prediction/analysis that clearly stated he was going to win 2 Wimbledons in 5 years ( counting from 2012), he was destined to be a great player. Obviously most people didn't see he had the discipline or physical gift to get where you think he would.
 
 
But I don't know how seriously players will take their careers in the
long term. That's something nobody can really predict, especially with
volatile personalities.
 
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John Liang <jliang70@gmail.com>: Jul 05 03:08AM -0700

On Wednesday, July 5, 2017 at 7:06:05 PM UTC+10, Whisper wrote:
> ultimately pointless. In the interests of saving time I'll endeavor to
> stay out of these Tomic debates at this point in time. My views are on
> record if interested.
 
I think there are a lot of reason why people in RST did not think he would cut out a multi slam winning career, I did not care much about how he hit the ball but what was quite striking to me was his overall mobility, to cut it in slam a player must have far better mobility than what Tomic has in his whole career. The lack of mental discipline just compounded his problem.
kaennorsing <ljubitsis@hotmail.com>: Jul 05 04:13AM -0700

Op dinsdag 4 juli 2017 18:34:01 UTC+2 schreef Court_1:
 
> > He definitely has potential to win
> > Wimbledon
 
> What an inane comment! The only thing Tomic has the potential for is ending up in jail.
 
Much better chance for sure! :))
kaennorsing <ljubitsis@hotmail.com>: Jul 05 04:18AM -0700

Op dinsdag 4 juli 2017 21:35:28 UTC+2 schreef Patrick Kehoe:
 
> Tellingly and one has to shake ones head at this, he said, "I still have another 10 years left." Tomic said in 20 years I'll have all the money I need. Implying, he struggles with motivation to win trophies because he makes such a great living just playing at the level he does.
 
> And right there one could only think of Becker; it might be a good idea for Tomic to seek out Becker BEFORE he leaves Wimbledon and see if he can get 30 minutes for a chat!!!
 
> P
 
The difference is Becker actually had real talent. Tomic just the bad attitude without the true talent. Even if he worked as hard as Nadal and loved tennis as much as Federer he'd still never win a slam.
ahonkan <ahonkan@gmail.com>: Jul 05 06:26AM -0700

On Wednesday, 5 July 2017 16:48:39 UTC+5:30, kaennorsing wrote:

> The difference is Becker actually had real talent. Tomic just the bad attitude without the true talent. Even if he worked as hard as Nadal and loved tennis as much as Federer he'd still never win a slam.
 
Whaddya know about spotting talent? Whisper has a monopoly on spotting
talent. Dontcha recall his Roddick and Federer predictions? This Tomic
thing ranks right up there.
 
He comes across as a lazy, clueless player. No talent whatsoever that
Whisper sees so clearly.
ahonkan <ahonkan@gmail.com>: Jul 05 12:55AM -0700

With only 1 R1 match yet to complete (Lorenzi [32] leads Zeballos 2 sets to 1),
here's the round 1 roundup:
6 men's seeds lost, 6 women's seeds lost
7 men retired, just 1 woman retired
 
Is this part for the course or is the clay -> grass transition the reason
behind the retirements if not the upsets?
kaennorsing <ljubitsis@hotmail.com>: Jul 05 04:29AM -0700

Op woensdag 5 juli 2017 09:55:26 UTC+2 schreef ahonkan:
> 7 men retired, just 1 woman retired
 
> Is this part for the course or is the clay -> grass transition the reason
> behind the retirements if not the upsets?
 
Apparently, those carrying injuries rather start the match and retire because they get paid for playing. If they pull out and allow a lucky loser to play, they don't get paid for reaching that round... This should obviously change to give audiences their money's worth.
Brian W Lawrence <brian_w_lawrence@msn.com>: Jul 05 01:38PM +0100

On 05/07/2017 12:29, kaennorsing wrote:
 
 
> Apparently, those carrying injuries rather start the match and retire because they get paid for playing.
> If they pull out and allow a lucky loser to play, they don't get paid for reaching that round... This
> should obviously change to give audiences their money's worth.
 
UK newspaper reports that R1 losers 'earn':
 
AUS £33,500
FRA £30,000
WIM £35,000
USO £33,500
 
Dolgopolov on court for 42 mins, earning £833/min, winning 25 points at
£972/point
 
Klizan - 40m, £875/m; 25 points, £1,400/point
 
The ATP have revised their rules this year. If you withdraw shortly
before the event begins you still get your prizemoney AND a Lucky Loser
replaces you. The slams don't have to follow this rule, and are unlikely
to change unless all 4 agree to do so.
 
 
 
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ahonkan <ahonkan@gmail.com>: Jul 05 06:21AM -0700

On Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:08:58 UTC+5:30, Brian W Lawrence wrote:
> before the event begins you still get your prizemoney AND a Lucky Loser
> replaces you. The slams don't have to follow this rule, and are unlikely
> to change unless all 4 agree to do so.
 
Interesting info, thanks! Wish the slams followed the ATP guidelines so
that the paying public doesn't feel cheated like it did yesterday when
both Djoker's and Fed's opponents retired after 40-45 mins.
Brian W Lawrence <brian_w_lawrence@msn.com>: Jul 05 10:38AM +0100

On 01/07/2017 10:46, stephenJ wrote:
 
> her. If, as her lawyer claims, she entered the intersection while her
> light was still green, that's a different story. Hopefully, there are
> intersection cameras that can show what happened.
 
I may be wrong, but I don't think the police say she ran a red light,
they may have said that some witnesses made that claim when questioned.
Witnesses are often mistaken.
 
 
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Brian W Lawrence <brian_w_lawrence@msn.com>: Jul 05 01:47PM +0100

On 03/07/2017 23:47, The Iceberg wrote:
> On Monday, 3 July 2017 22:50:19 UTC+1, Court_1 wrote:
 
>> It's affecting her. Did you see her press conference after her match today? She fell apart. It was heartbreaking.
 
> my goodness! did they actually ask her about it?! what is wrong with these reporters?! that is plain heartless!!
 
It's their job. She decided to play Wimbledon, it's obligatory to meet
the press, but she could have said 'no comment'.
 
Any journalist who decided not to ask what we might think was an
intrusive/insensitive question, would most likely be met by an
unhappy editor. Public figures are likely to face questions in
such circumstances. That said, from what I've seen she was simply
asked if she had any comments, and wasn't really able to articulate
anything much. The press appearance was ended after she became
emotional. Nothing unexpected really.
 
 
 
 
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Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jul 05 07:16PM +1000

>> no. Must be thinking of another big match.
 
> Graf - ASV, 1994 AO final: 6-0 6-2
 
> Max
 
I think I recall Graf led 60 51 & shoulda won 60 61?
 
 
 
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Brian W Lawrence <brian_w_lawrence@msn.com>: Jul 05 09:50AM +0100

On 05/07/2017 08:49, ahonkan wrote:
>>> is the limit! I thought asking Fed to change his shoes because the
 
>> Pics or it didn't happen.
 
> http://www.rediff.com/sports/report/mid-match-madness-venus-made-to-change-bra-during-rain-break/20170705.htm
 
Based on an article in Tuesday's Daily Telegraph:
 

<http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/03/venus-williams-shocking-pink-bra-courts-controversy-wimbledon/>
 
Venus doesn't talk about such things:
 
"Asked in the post-match press conference whether officials had
spoken to her about the colour of her bra, Venus said: "Yeah, so I don't
want to talk about undergarments. It's kind of awkward for me. I'll
leave that to you. You can talk about it with your friends. I'm going to
pass."
 
"The AELTC refused to confirm whether match officials had spoken to Miss
Williams, prompting her to change her bra, saying it was "a private
matter" between the club and the player."
 
Apparently she changed her top during the break and no straps were
visible thereafter. That doesn't prove that she changed the bra too.
However, players will often change clothes during a break as the
outfits they were wearing are probably damp.
 
The Telegraph also recalls that Eugenie Bouchard wasn't reprimanded
in 2015 when she was wearing a black bra with the straps visible.
 
In 2002 Anna Kournikova was asked to change her black shorts and
borrowed her male coach's baggy sports pants to finish the match.
She had to remove an offending logo from those too.
 
 
 
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The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 05 01:59AM -0700

On Wednesday, 5 July 2017 09:50:10 UTC+1, Brian W Lawrence wrote:
 
> In 2002 Anna Kournikova was asked to change her black shorts and
> borrowed her male coach's baggy sports pants to finish the match.
> She had to remove an offending logo from those too.
 
All too freakin right - rules are rules and so is the wearing white tradition - it's what makes Wimbledon. What is good about Venus is she usually really respects the place, I expect she was trying to be a bit of a rebel with it being 4th July and all, glad she was put back in line.
Brian W Lawrence <brian_w_lawrence@msn.com>: Jul 05 10:14AM +0100

On 05/07/2017 09:59, The Iceberg wrote:
>> borrowed her male coach's baggy sports pants to finish the match.
>> She had to remove an offending logo from those too.
 
> All too freakin right - rules are rules and so is the wearing white tradition - it's what makes Wimbledon. What is good about Venus is she usually really respects the place, I expect she was trying to be a bit of a rebel with it being 4th July and all, glad she was put back in line.
 
You seem to be 'assuming facts not in evidence'. There is no
confirmation that any action was taken at all.
 
That said, the mostly white rule is important and most players
do conform to it. Occasionally they run out of clean whites
though. :-)
 
 
 
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calimero377@gmx.de: Jul 04 09:23PM -0700

On Tuesday, July 4, 2017 at 2:39:36 PM UTC+2, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
 
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> "Donald Trump is the weak man's vision of a strong man."
> -- Charles Cooke
 
 
Krugman?
You are joking or what?
 
Lol
 
 
Max
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