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Saturday, July 15, 2017

Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jul 15 11:46PM +1000

On 15/07/2017 7:16 AM, Patrick Kehoe wrote:
 
>> On clay, sista's weakest surface no?
 
> Yes, but just as you and I agree on Rafa's beat-downs (victories) over Feds on clay are perfectly valid and meaningful, so too with Muguruza's drubbing of Serena in their FO final. Shows Muguzura's top level can be daunting, literally, for any of the women.
 
> P
 
 
Agreed, but beating sistas at FO is always going to be easier than the
other slams, statistically speaking.
 
 
 
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Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: Jul 15 07:31AM -0700

On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 6:06:13 AM UTC-7, soccerfan777 wrote:
 
> So you want Venus to win just out of pity. Not because she will be the better player?
 
> Whatever happened to "may the best person win"?
 
Half the people here pretending to root for Venus didn't really want her to win. They were bowing to peer pressure.
soccerfan777 <zepfloyes@gmail.com>: Jul 15 07:38AM -0700

Yeah white guilt. I am no white so I don't have any;)
undecided <costasz@gmail.com>: Jul 15 06:51AM -0700

On Friday, July 14, 2017 at 9:44:24 PM UTC-4, Carey wrote:
> > > Damn
 
> > More dangerous, in theory, than Safin. More reliable and consistent for certain.
 
> Agree... what I saw of Cilic was fearsome. FedGod better show up on Sunday.
 
Fearsome against an exhausted Querrey who even when totally fresh moves like a moose compare to the Ballerina moves of Fed. Fed in straights.
John Liang <jliang70@gmail.com>: Jul 15 07:21AM -0700

On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 5:38:55 PM UTC+10, The Iceberg wrote:
 
> > > Besides, 8 is kinda no biggie compared to 10...
 
> > 8 is a biggie compare to Nadal's 2 and of course 5 or 6 times out before the QF.
 
> he won the most important one W2008.
 
Lost the other two Wimbledon final, only the stupid would consider W2006/6 not as important as W2008.
John Liang <jliang70@gmail.com>: Jul 15 07:23AM -0700

On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 5:39:42 PM UTC+10, The Iceberg wrote:
 
> > > Pathetic. Just as bad a trump voters and corrupt neoliberal democrats.
 
> > Can't blame them really. They know Roger's #19 would be the last nail in Clayboy's coffin.
 
> how? everyone knows who was best at their best.
 
Everyone also know the tennis players are measure on their ability to repeat their performance year after year. Best at best may only win one Wimbledon but the best at able to repeating performances may win 7 or 8.
John Liang <jliang70@gmail.com>: Jul 15 07:37AM -0700

On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 7:51:41 PM UTC+10, StephenJ wrote:
> clubber of the kind we've seen on the men's side the past 30 years. He
> used the second hand more for balance and stability than drive-through
> power, and often released it during follow-through.
 
But most of the tennis experts don't think Borg had a two handed backhad. So the argument like 'he kind of did' does not stack up. At the point of contact Borg had two hand on his backhand shot that is why it is a two handed backhand. He release his other hand at the last part of his swing. Also if you look at Borg's backhand in senior tour it is now a two handed backhand he never release the left hand off the racquet.
stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: Jul 15 09:29AM -0500

Feel bad for Venus, but great job by Mugs!
 
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John Slade <hhitman86@pacbell.net>: Jul 15 07:32AM -0700

On 7/15/2017 7:29 AM, stephenJ wrote:
> Feel bad for Venus, but great job by Mugs!
 
Venus got bageled? Wow. Good tournament but the young kid
was just too much for her.
 
John
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jul 16 12:34AM +1000

On 16/07/2017 12:29 AM, stephenJ wrote:
> Feel bad for Venus, but great job by Mugs!
 
Yes, the 2 sets couldn't be more different. 1st set was some real heavy
hitting & nothing in it, 2nd set was terrible from Venus. Mugs played
the same all the way through - advantage of youth. If all your best
shots keep coming back you're simply going to be gassed at age 37.
 
Mugs probably would have won in 3 even if Venus got 1 of those set
points based on what we saw in the 2nd set.
 
 
 
 
 
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soccerfan777 <zepfloyes@gmail.com>: Jul 15 07:33AM -0700

Bwhahahahahahaha
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Jul 15 07:08AM -0700

The other girl is hitting the ball better now, Venus has to change something.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jul 16 12:11AM +1000

On 16/07/2017 12:08 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> The other girl is hitting the ball better now, Venus has to change something.
 
The age difference is really showing now, & Mugs is super focussed.
Looks like about 75 62 for Mugs?
 
 
 
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Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jul 16 12:15AM +1000

On 16/07/2017 12:11 AM, Whisper wrote:
 
Venus led 5-4 & had 15-40, 2 set point, but loses 5 games in a row to be
5-7 0-2
 
 
 
 
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Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jul 16 12:18AM +1000

On 16/07/2017 12:15 AM, Whisper wrote:
 
> Venus led 5-4 & had 15-40, 2 set point, but loses 5 games in a row to be
> 5-7 0-2
 
Now 0-3 double break. Mugs is returning everything & Venus is forced
into going for too much & making errors.
 
Good effort from Venus to make 2 slam finals at age 37. Not a bad way
to finish your career.
 
 
 
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Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jul 16 12:20AM +1000

On 16/07/2017 12:18 AM, Whisper wrote:
> into going for too much & making errors.
 
> Good effort from Venus to make 2 slam finals at age 37. Not a bad way
> to finish your career.
 
Hope she can get a couple games in last set - 0-6 would be cruel, losing
last 9 games in a row.
 
 
 
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stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: Jul 15 09:23AM -0500

On 7/15/2017 9:15 AM, Whisper wrote:
 
> Venus led 5-4 & had 15-40, 2 set point, but loses 5 games in a row to be
> 5-7 0-2
 
Yep, that was her chance, a golden opportunity, and she knows it. The
air has totally let out of her balloon since then.
 
 
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Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jul 16 12:26AM +1000

On 16/07/2017 12:23 AM, stephenJ wrote:
>> be 5-7 0-2
 
> Yep, that was her chance, a golden opportunity, and she knows it. The
> air has totally let out of her balloon since then.
 
Still surprising to see this kind of run losing 9 games in a row 5-7 0-6.
 
Full credit to Mugs - she is missing nothing & chasing everything down.
Just too much for the old lady. Let's face it 37 is practically
geriatric in women's tennis. Martina was 37 when she played her last
Wimbledon final.
 
 
 
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Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Jul 15 07:26AM -0700

Some interesting stuff here in comments:
 
http://tennishasasteroidproblem.blogspot.com/2016/09/nadal-then-and-now.html
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 15 07:25AM -0700

Said yday she could cause Venus a lot of trouble!
Here again Fedfans!
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jul 15 11:57PM +1000

On 15/07/2017 12:16 PM, Carey wrote:
> 2-3 in the third v Berdych, Fed down double break point: ace wide, ace up the T,
> service winner up the T, ace up the T. Then breaks Berdy in the next game.
 
> And this was one a mediocre day for the Great (Old!) Man. :)
 
Kinda yawn when you consider Sampras played this level *all the time*.
Standards were higher in those days.
 
 
 
 
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John Liang <jliang70@gmail.com>: Jul 15 07:17AM -0700

On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 11:57:26 PM UTC+10, Whisper wrote:
 
> > And this was one a mediocre day for the Great (Old!) Man. :)
 
> Kinda yawn when you consider Sampras played this level *all the time*.
> Standards were higher in those days.
 
And against the like of Martins and Piolines. Guys that Federer could beat up even half sleep.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jul 16 12:03AM +1000

On 15/07/2017 7:48 PM, stephenJ wrote:
 
> Cilic and Muguruza are both much younger and played much more vibrantly
> in their semifinal wins than did Federer and Venus, which is only natural.
 
> I'll be surprised if either Fed or Venus wins.
 
You could be right. I'm thinking both have to win in straights to
actually win.
 
Muguruza just stole the 1st set v Venus so looking grim for her.
 
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Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jul 15 11:55PM +1000


>>> No that would be Kerber. It doesnt matter how you get there; it matters what you do once you get there. She has not been #1 for a day yet. Stop judging her.
 
>> No. Rankings represent the past ie some period of the past and how you did in that determines whether you are number one now. Your play after you are number one will determine your ranking in future...perhaps that is why Kerber is no longer number one.
 
> You guys are not getting my point. I meant Kerber is the worst #1 because he hasn't done squat since she became #1. She is basically the modern day Wilander. Her 2017 is like Wilander >1989.
 
That's a different issue. You're talking how a No.1 player performs
after getting to No.1, I'm talking about being worthy of No.1 status in
the 1st place. Clearly Kerber was very worthy of No.1 ranking based on
results, while Pliskova is very unworthy. That's what I mean by 'worst
No.1 ever'.
 
> Pliskova has just got to #1. Lets see what she does when she is #1. Too early to judge her.
 
She shouldn't be no.1 is the whole fucking point mate.
 
 
 
 
 
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undecided <costasz@gmail.com>: Jul 15 06:45AM -0700

On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 8:24:07 AM UTC-4, kaennorsing wrote:
> Op zaterdag 15 juli 2017 14:06:24 UTC+2 schreef PeteWasLucky:
> > Fed will need to remember how he read Cilic serve in the last two sets last year.
 
> What's impressive is how Federer seems to have improved almost all parts of his game in every match this tournament. At the start of the tournament he returned very poorly on the backhand (by 2017 standards), showed no signs of possessing a good slice or passing shot nor a good inside out forehand. Slowly but surely all parts of his game have come into play though in both the quarter and the semi. Where he can still improve (or eliminate altogether) is in both the frequency and length of the dips in intensity/form... If he does that for the final, Cilic is toast.
 
Cilic has no chance. Too one dimensional for current-form Fed. Cilic needs Fed to come in with some ailment to even have a chance.
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