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Friday, July 14, 2017

The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 14 01:59AM -0700

haha Pelle and Brian won't post this, so I will - look at that idiot Macron trying his best to suck up to the Great Trump!
 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/13/macron-prepares-tourist-treat-charm-offensive-for-trumps-paris
 
Macron to woo Trumps in Paris with military pomp and tourism treats
 
French president will offer the US president and his wife dinner at the Eiffel Tower – among other delights.
 
The US president, Donald Trump, has arrived in Paris and is due to be greeted with a show of military pomp by the French leader, Emmanuel Macron, who has chosen to move from his aggressive first handshake and to style himself as Trump's new "straight-talking" best friend on the international stage.
joh <joshorst@gmail.com>: Jul 14 02:21AM -0700

Op vrijdag 14 juli 2017 10:59:25 UTC+2 schreef The Iceberg:
 
> Macron to woo Trumps in Paris with military pomp and tourism treats
 
> French president will offer the US president and his wife dinner at the Eiffel Tower – among other delights.
 
> The US president, Donald Trump, has arrived in Paris and is due to be greeted with a show of military pomp by the French leader, Emmanuel Macron, who has chosen to move from his aggressive first handshake and to style himself as Trump's new "straight-talking" best friend on the international stage.
 
Macron treats Trump like the cheap whore that he is.
Brian W Lawrence <brian_w_lawrence@msn.com>: Jul 14 11:28AM +0100

On 14/07/2017 09:59, The Iceberg wrote:
 
> Macron to woo Trumps in Paris with military pomp and tourism treats
 
> French president will offer the US president and his wife dinner at the Eiffel Tower – among other delights.
 
> The US president, Donald Trump, has arrived in Paris and is due to be greeted with a show of military pomp by the French leader, Emmanuel Macron, who has chosen to move from his aggressive first handshake and to style himself as Trump's new "straight-talking" best friend on the international stage.
 
A visit to Paris at this time has been on the cards for several years,
regardless of who occupied the WH or the EP. It says that in the
Grauniad article.
 
 
 
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The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 14 03:37AM -0700

On Friday, 14 July 2017 10:21:43 UTC+1, joh wrote:
 
> > French president will offer the US president and his wife dinner at the Eiffel Tower – among other delights.
 
> > The US president, Donald Trump, has arrived in Paris and is due to be greeted with a show of military pomp by the French leader, Emmanuel Macron, who has chosen to move from his aggressive first handshake and to style himself as Trump's new "straight-talking" best friend on the international stage.
 
> Macron treats Trump like the cheap whore that he is.
 
Trump treat Macron like the little nobody he is.
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 14 03:46AM -0700

On Friday, 14 July 2017 11:28:15 UTC+1, Brian W Lawrence wrote:
 
> A visit to Paris at this time has been on the cards for several years,
> regardless of who occupied the WH or the EP. It says that in the
> Grauniad article.
 
totally, just like most state visits, only unusual one was the Conservatives inviting Trump over at short notice, but everything Theresa does seems spur of the moment. I looking forward to seeing and welcoming President Trump to London when he visits next year or whenever, deserves it for his brilliant Brexit support alone.
John Liang <jliang70@gmail.com>: Jul 13 10:48PM -0700

On Friday, July 14, 2017 at 12:14:23 AM UTC+10, The Iceberg wrote:
 
> > > so you're definite about this now, but it took you 4 years to decide who was dominant in 2013, ohh what a surprise.
 
> > Umm, it wasn't surprised at all it only take less than 1/1000 of that time for almost everyone in RST to realize you are an idiot.
 
> your thickoness is legendary!
 
Nowhere near as legendary as your stupidity.
Jesper Lauridsen <rorschak@stofanet.dk>: Jul 14 01:22AM -0700


> > Pretty good chance for Nadal. Fed could get #1 by year end if he playes
> > enough.
 
> I think Fed has indicated he's done with breaks and intends to play a full schedule from here on out. If Fed wins W, he'll only be a few hundred points behind Nadal.
 
With a Wimbledon W Fed would still be 900 points behind Nadal, who is also
leading the race.
 
> Given the history of their results for the second half of the year, I'd expect Fed to overtake him.
 
Fed should get more points on HC and especially indoor, but it will come
down to how much they each are going to play.
stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: Jul 14 05:01AM -0500

On 7/14/2017 3:22 AM, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:
 
>> I think Fed has indicated he's done with breaks and intends to play a full schedule from here on out. If Fed wins W, he'll only be a few hundred points behind Nadal.
 
> With a Wimbledon W Fed would still be 900 points behind Nadal, who is also
> leading the race.
 
Just shows how screwy the points system can be. If Fed wins W, he should
easily be #1 on all counts, 52 weeks and since the start of the calendar
year. He would have the best results for both by a mile.
 
 
 
 
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The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 14 01:56AM -0700

> > > It is as simple as that.
 
> > oh yes Anna Kournikova was top 10 in the 90's.
 
> So?
 
well you said Konta wouldn't have been in the top 20 in the 90's, I was just pointing out Kournikova was top TEN in the 90's, you know, just a little side fact for you there. lol
Brian W Lawrence <brian_w_lawrence@msn.com>: Jul 14 09:42AM +0100

Sets Games Win
W/L W/L %age
=== ===== =====
[14] G Muguruza 12/1 (13) 76/39 (115) 66.1%
[10] V Williams 12/1 (13) 79/50 (129) 61.2%
 
 
 
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calimero377@gmx.de: Jul 13 11:40PM -0700

What a fight!
 
 
Max
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 14 01:16AM -0700

> What a fight!
 
being nice it should be Halep, but Kerber deserves it really cos she's better.
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Jul 13 10:26PM -0700

> Well, it's not happening for the first time that one of the Big Four is
meeting someone out of their fraternity in a GS final.
* Djoker: Tsonga AO 2008
* Murray: Raonic W 2016
* Rafa: Wawrinka FO 2017, Ferrer FO 2013, Berdych W 2010,
Soderling FO 2010, Puerta FO 2005
 
 
Federer isn't in the final yet.
arahim <arahim_arahim@hotmail.com>: Jul 14 01:02AM -0700

On Thursday, July 13, 2017 at 6:54:17 PM UTC-7, Patrick Kehoe wrote:
 
> > > And he thought Federer was the overwhelming favorite to beat Wawrinka at the USO even though Wawrinka had never defeated Federer on a hc, lol.
 
> > Sorry, I meant he thought Wawrinka was the overwhelming favorite to beat Federer at the USO!
 
> 2 more matches to win an 8th Wimbledon with Nole and Rafa and Murray dusted. He must be trying like mad to remain calm; he respects Cilic and Berdych and knows on their day they can light it up, but, as a general principle, this is as solid a look-in at winning another major as he could have EVER dreamed.
 
This year it was dreamable for him: Djokovic has been subpar over an year and Murray since the beginning of the year and both have not sustainably threatened to come out of it. Nadal has not done anything at Wimbledon in years. And his own results for the year, when he played, were spectacular. Under the circumstances I suppose the best on surface made the semis. There was some hope for the new guys but none of them could overthrow the old guard: Ages of the semifinalists: 28, 29, 31, 35.
 
arahim <arahim_arahim@hotmail.com>: Jul 14 01:05AM -0700

On Thursday, July 13, 2017 at 10:26:16 PM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> * Rafa: Wawrinka FO 2017, Ferrer FO 2013, Berdych W 2010,
> Soderling FO 2010, Puerta FO 2005
 
> Federer isn't in the final yet.
 
Yes, the situation is not that different from the 2014 USO when the remaining field was Cilic and Nishikori.
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 14 01:12AM -0700

On Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:39:47 UTC+1, RaspingDrive wrote:
> > > of winning the title are only around 25%.
 
> > HAHAHHAHA HA AHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAH AHAAH AHAHAHAHAAH! VERY FUNNY! Fed now has 8 Wimbledons, amazing!
 
> Didn't you say Andy has 16 Wimbledons? Crazy fellow.
 
no, he has 2 Olympic Golds = 16 slams each
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 14 01:13AM -0700

> > > of winning the title are only around 25%.
 
> > HAHAHHAHA HA AHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAH AHAAH AHAHAHAHAAH! VERY FUNNY! Fed now has 8 Wimbledons, amazing!
 
> You know things are getting desperate when TT, Whisper etc all have to try and reverse jinx fed and hope for the worst (while fake praising him for the unknown future). 18 > 15. Think you better recognize.
 
LOL yeah we all doing a reverse PeteWasLucky and Jaros LOLOL
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 14 01:14AM -0700

On Friday, 14 July 2017 02:54:17 UTC+1, Patrick Kehoe wrote:
 
> > > And he thought Federer was the overwhelming favorite to beat Wawrinka at the USO even though Wawrinka had never defeated Federer on a hc, lol.
 
> > Sorry, I meant he thought Wawrinka was the overwhelming favorite to beat Federer at the USO!
 
> 2 more matches to win an 8th Wimbledon with Nole and Rafa and Murray dusted. He must be trying like mad to remain calm; he respects Cilic and Berdych and knows on their day they can light it up, but, as a general principle, this is as solid a look-in at winning another major as he could have EVER dreamed.
 
at last, some common sense posted!
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 14 01:14AM -0700

On Friday, 14 July 2017 06:26:16 UTC+1, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> * Rafa: Wawrinka FO 2017, Ferrer FO 2013, Berdych W 2010,
> Soderling FO 2010, Puerta FO 2005
 
> Federer isn't in the final yet.
 
yes he is.
ahonkan <ahonkan@gmail.com>: Jul 13 10:52PM -0700

> On Thursday, July 13, 2017 at 10:00:15 AM UTC-5, The Iceberg wrote:
> > She's 37!! and has some fake-fatigue thing, BUT she's in the Wimbledon semi-finals!
 
> No. Federer has been consistently better than Venus. He won the Australian, which Venus didn't. And he has been a threat in majors for the last 5 years with the exception of 2013, while Venus has not been. Also, Venus has one great player in her Serena blocking the way for majors, especially with Vika out since having a kid, and Maria since being suspended. Federer has at least 4. That said, what Venus has done is amazing, especially with her auto-immune disease. You could say her Wimbledon is more impressive, but overall, no, Federer is better.
 
You must be new. Don't take Icey seriously. We don't.
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 14 01:09AM -0700

> On Thursday, July 13, 2017 at 10:00:15 AM UTC-5, The Iceberg wrote:
> > She's 37!! and has some fake-fatigue thing, BUT she's in the Wimbledon semi-finals!
 
> No. Federer has been consistently better than Venus. He won the Australian, which Venus didn't. And he has been a threat in majors for the last 5 years with the exception of 2013, while Venus has not been. Also, Venus has one great player in her Serena blocking the way for majors, especially with Vika out since having a kid, and Maria since being suspended. Federer has at least 4. That said, what Venus has done is amazing, especially with her auto-immune disease. You could say her Wimbledon is more impressive, but overall, no, Federer is better.
 
yeah good points, think it's just amazing that she's 37 and in a Wimbledon final. Now reckon the auto-immune thing is probably not true, fake news, she's shown no sign of it this year.
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 14 01:11AM -0700

On Friday, 14 July 2017 06:52:05 UTC+1, ahonkan wrote:
> > > She's 37!! and has some fake-fatigue thing, BUT she's in the Wimbledon semi-finals!
 
> > No. Federer has been consistently better than Venus. He won the Australian, which Venus didn't. And he has been a threat in majors for the last 5 years with the exception of 2013, while Venus has not been. Also, Venus has one great player in her Serena blocking the way for majors, especially with Vika out since having a kid, and Maria since being suspended. Federer has at least 4. That said, what Venus has done is amazing, especially with her auto-immune disease. You could say her Wimbledon is more impressive, but overall, no, Federer is better.
 
> You must be new. Don't take Icey seriously. We don't.
 
don't worry about ahonkan, he's never played tennis in real life, doesn't know much about the game and is really just a classic Fedfan that gets very upset at any possible criticism of Fed, he was prob drunk writing the above too.
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Jul 13 10:24PM -0700

> IMHO, peak Venus would beat peak Serena on grass. I remember her fluid
movement, great wingspan, foot speed and superb serving when she won her
5 Wimbledons. She and Fed won together twice before.
I won't mind seeing both of them together at the winners' ball Sun night!
 
wow, she won five Wimbledon!!
John Liang <jliang70@gmail.com>: Jul 13 11:11PM -0700

On Friday, July 14, 2017 at 2:39:08 PM UTC+10, ahonkan wrote:
> movement, great wingspan, foot speed and superb serving when she won her
> 5 Wimbledons. She and Fed won together twice before.
> I won't mind seeing both of them together at the winners' ball Sun night!
 
I would say the other way round, I think Serena is a better player than Venus at peak.
ahonkan <ahonkan@gmail.com>: Jul 13 10:23PM -0700

On Thursday, 13 July 2017 21:05:28 UTC+5:30, Carey wrote:
> > Does she think she is Venus' grand mom? And why does she always keep talking about what players are feeling on court. How does she know? Is she a psychiatrist. What a mom she is... so annoying.
 
> And most of all, for me: WTF is with the 'Chrissie' bit?
> Good dog, the used-up old thing is in her sixties...
 
The 'Chrissie' thing was coined by late Bud Collins, who used to conduct
inane interviews by the courtside wearing outrageous clothes.
I remember one exchange when Bud Colling thrust the mic in front of
Evert's face after yet another beatdown by Martina and asked the silly
question: "Chrissie, how are you feeling right now?" and Evert replied,
"Well, how do you think I am feeling?"
 
Bud was sweet on Evert and called her "America's sweetheart".
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