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Wednesday, July 12, 2017

Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jul 12 07:54PM +1000

This looks like a good bet. Maybe Cilic spoils the party for rst fanboys?
 
 
 
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ahonkan <ahonkan@gmail.com>: Jul 11 10:42PM -0700

On Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:24:15 UTC+5:30, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> to challenge Rafa since they are all better than him on HC. So he won't
> to *much* better. Maybe lose in the QF / SF.
 
> I doubt it
 
So when would he lose? Earlier or later?
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 12 02:37AM -0700

On Tuesday, 11 July 2017 05:43:17 UTC+1, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> > Humbalito is complaining about not getting enough love from the Wimbledon organizers in terms of scheduling. He apparently prefers playing on Center Court.
 
> It's all about running the show and making money. People want to see Federer, put him on center court and make money easily.
 
> It was amazing seeing the crowds watching Federer entering the court looking at a legend.
 
yeah! it amazing the obsession of you Fedfans! oddly though, for once, this year Murray has been getting a lot of people turn up cos of him, so far he been on a par with Fed, which has surprised me!
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jul 12 07:52PM +1000

On 11/07/2017 5:43 AM, Gracchus wrote:
> Ahahahhahhahahhahahhahhahaha!
 
> Everyone who went on about his "French Open form" carrying though to a Wimbledon championship must feel very, very foolish right now. :)))))))))
 
Why?
 
All players have a bad match during a slam. Sometimes it gets away from
them & they lose.
 
 
 
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Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jul 12 07:50PM +1000

I didn't see the match except for the last few pts, where he looked slow
- but that would be due to being on court for 5 hrs.
 
How was the play in the 1st 2 sets? I'm guessing nothing like his FO
form. Maybe he was concussed & finally came to in set 3?
 
 
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Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jul 12 07:45PM +1000

On 12/07/2017 12:59 AM, SliceAndDice wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 10:51:35 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
>> Unique returning stance - she shuffles to the left, then right & then
>> hops up in the air as Venus serves. Fun to watch.
 
She just played the last 2 games badly - up to that point the match
looked evenly balanced & like it could go either way.
 
 
 
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The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 12 02:36AM -0700

On Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:21:19 UTC+1, ahonkan wrote:
> serving beautifully. Halep remains the perennial bridesmaid. She
> should have won in straights. Lost 2 pts serving 5-4 in TB, allowed
> Konta to win the TB. Played one loose service game and got broken in S3.
 
oh yeah Halep made so many mistakes yday, she played sooo badly! LOLOL
she lost the tiebreak cos Konta stuck with it and won it.
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Jul 12 11:39AM +0300

Gracchus kirjoitti 11.7.2017 klo 23:36:
 
>>> I am a Graf/Sharapova sorta guy.
 
>> I will never understand how a fan of Steffi Graf - an authentic, humble and graceful woman - can also support someone like Screamerova.
 
> I don't get it either. Nothing appealing about that mercenary Russian bitch or her bashing tennis.
 
I do...
 
http://media.boreme.com/post_media/2009/maria-sharapova-bikini-shoot-3-1.jpg
 
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/08/article-2652010-1E929C1C00000578-990_634x646.jpg
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Jul 12 12:03PM +0300

jdeluise kirjoitti 12.7.2017 klo 4:17:
 
>> Actually, she has a nice toned body. It's her face that is a bit
>> E.T.-like.
 
> Personally, I like the shape and color of her eyes.
 
ET's or Halep's?
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 12 02:31AM -0700

On Wednesday, 12 July 2017 09:39:11 UTC+1, TT wrote:
 
> I do...
 
> http://media.boreme.com/post_media/2009/maria-sharapova-bikini-shoot-3-1.jpg
 
> http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/08/article-2652010-1E929C1C00000578-990_634x646.jpg
 
If she asked me, I would definitely go out with her!
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Jul 12 12:02PM +0300

Court_1 kirjoitti 12.7.2017 klo 4:10:
> https://twitter.com/search?f=images&vertical=default&q=mario%20ancic&src=typd
 
He's not a bad singer either...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14il7-w9peA
 
And has the moves...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1Vsi0M3btU
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Jul 12 11:30AM +0300

stephenJ kirjoitti 11.7.2017 klo 20:29:
> If you've seen any of them, particularly in the theatre, I'd be happy to
> hear your comments:
 
I've already commented on many of them here. Well here are my ratings
for the films you haven't seen...
 
9 2000 In the Mood for Love
7 1967 Le Samouraï
7 1959 Anatomy of a Murder
6 1942 To Be or Not to Be
6 1941 Sullivan's Travels
8 1961 Viridiana
6 1946 Beauty and the Beast
6 1955 Rififi
6 2000 Amores Perros
6 1983 The Right Stuff
3 1955 Ordet
6 2002 Infernal Affairs
7 1945 Brief Encounter
7 1984 Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind
2 1959 Hiroshima Mon Amour
7 2012 Gangs of Wasseypur
8 1952 Umberto D.
9 1923 Safety Last!
5 1943 The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp
6 1973 The Spirit of the Beehive
8 2007 Like Stars on Earth
8 1982 Fitzcarraldo
9 1957 The Cranes Are Flying
- 2004 Head-On
6 1934 L'Atalante
8 1960 Rocco and His Brothers
- 1998 Black Cat, White Cat
7 1949 Late Spring
5 1962 My Life to Live
- 1924 The Last Laugh
8 2013 Nebraska
8 1958 The Hidden Fortress
5 1992 Porco Rosso
8 2002 Lilya 4-Ever
3 2000 Werckmeister Harmonies
- 1988 Time of the Gypsies
- 2009 Cell 211
7 1962 Ivan's Childhood
6 1966 Au Hasard Balthazar
8 1973 Don't Look Now
- 2013 The Great Beauty
7 1986 Jean de Florette
7 1980 Kagemusha
- 2001 The Devil's Backbone
- 2013 Inside Llewyn Davis
6 1959 The World of Apu
5 1968 If....
- 2014 Winter Sleep
6 1975 Dersu Uzala
- 1997 Fireworks
- 1998 Show Me Love
- 2010 Animal Kingdom
- 2014 What We Do in the Shadows
7 1960 The Virgin Spring
4 2005 Caché
- 1958 Mon Oncle
8 1952 Forbidden Games
- 2004 Nobody Knows
- 2004 Veer-Zaara
- 1965 Pierrot le Fou
6 1966 A Man for All Seasons
- 1947 Monsieur Verdoux
6 1974 The Enigma of Kaspar Hauser
- 2004 Tae Guk Gi: The Brotherhood of War
- 1932 I Am a Fugitive from a Chain Gang
- 2014 PK
- 2005 Lady Vengeance
- 2005 A Bittersweet Life
- 1928 The Cameraman
- 2009 Fish Tank
- 1974 Ali: Fear Eats the Soul
- 1965 The Shop on Main Street
- 2006 The Wind That Shakes the Barley
8 1978 Autumn Sonata
6 1976 The Tenant
- 1953 The Earrings of Madame de...
8 1963 The Silence
7 1945 Mildred Pierce
7 1962 Knife in the Water
6 2010 Ip Man 2
- 1969 Kes
- 1945 Ivan the Terrible, Part I
- 1960 Shoot the Piano Player
- 1923 Our Hospitality
- 1962 L'Eclisse
- 2010 My Name Is Khan
8 1970 Little Big Man
7 1986 Manon of the Spring
 
Hiroshima Mon Amour, Ordet and Werckmeister Harmonies are unbearably
pretentious, slow and uneventful art films - hence the low rating. I've
also seen at least Monsieur Verdoux and Mon Oncle but may have to watch
them again before rating.
 
-
 
So... are we to believe you have watched likes of...
 
1916 Intolerance: Love's Struggle Throughout the Ages
1921 The Phantom Carriage
1924 Greed
1926 Faust
1927 Napoleon
1928 The Crowd
1929 Pandora's Box
1943 Day of Wrath
1945 Children of Paradise
1953 Ugetsu
2003 The Best of Youth
 
These are pretty much films one watches only if going systematically
through important classics. 'Best of Youth' is pretty obscure and 6
hours long.
 
And... you lolled at C1 seeing Royal Wunderbaums only now while you had
seen it 15 years ago - nothing to brag really, many did.
...What is interesting though is that Courtsie also mentioned 'World of
Apu' - while you have seen the first two films of Apu Trilogy but didn't
mention it which would have been much more impressive.
 
Courtsie also bragged with 'A Very Long Engagement' - which you must
also have seen since it's on the list. Maybe you just didn't want to rub
it in?
 
But seeing films is not a competition. (Maybe at listchallenges it is)
 
Also, we've recently discussed many films here which according to the
list you have seen. No point with commenting only on Captain Sausage
Pants while ignoring more interesting discussion... What is YOUR opinion
on Paprika? Intolerance? Pather Panchali? Woman in the Dunes? Stalker?
Eyes of Laura Mars?
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 12 01:26AM -0700

On Tuesday, 11 July 2017 16:44:18 UTC+1, soccerfan777 wrote:
> Ostapenko sucks on grass. Too much of a back swing. Weak serves. Good enough for clay but won't translate to grass. She is not even as good as Seles on grass
 
> I was sure she would lose. All the ass clown rsr analysts got it wrong.
 
yeah! correct, but I said had seen her live twice there and couldn't understand how she'd got this far.
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 12 01:22AM -0700

On Tuesday, 11 July 2017 23:19:36 UTC+1, Guypers wrote:
 
> > Hey, I hope Trump goes down for this and Pence takes over. But Muller has to find more. Hopefully he does!
 
> > Max
 
> Crime for a campaign official to receive any info, etc from a foreign source!
 
LOL any info, yeah right. Is Hillary going to be arrested for getting info from her Saudi friends?
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 12 01:23AM -0700

On Tuesday, 11 July 2017 20:24:41 UTC+1, StephenJ wrote:
 
> Big deal if Trump says "well OK, let's make a plan to release this
> information"?
 
> Or what if Trump knew the dirt came from illegal hacking- big deal?
 
there's zero proof the Russians hacked anything, a 14 year old could've sent that email.
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Jul 11 07:52PM -0700

https://youtu.be/RJHnHioLw94
fymido_lenito@yahoo.com: Jul 11 08:49PM -0700

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 7:52:39 PM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> https://youtu.be/RJHnHioLw94
 
Other players should pay close attention to this clip. Whenever Federer rolls his tongue in that fashion, he is winding up for a tricky drop shot (just the way Agassi used to read Becker's serve).
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 12 01:19AM -0700

On Wednesday, 12 July 2017 03:52:39 UTC+1, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> https://youtu.be/RJHnHioLw94
 
AMAZING! nobody has ever hit a drop shot, ever, before in tennis ever! LOL
 
P.S. Always remember it was Murray that brought the drop shot back to mens tennis.
ahonkan <ahonkan@gmail.com>: Jul 11 10:38PM -0700

On Tuesday, 11 July 2017 23:18:25 UTC+5:30, Court_1 wrote:
> Halep definitely has a problem closing out big matches. She should have finished it in two.
 
Feel bad for her. She seems to love the 'Tragedy Queen' title.
She lost the FO final to a 20-yr upstart being up a set & a break.
She loses the W QF being 2 points away from a straight-sets rout.
 
Konta served better despite serving many DFs. She also went more for
the corners and kept Halep on the run. The crowd support helped her
tremendously.
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 12 01:17AM -0700

On Wednesday, 12 July 2017 06:38:30 UTC+1, ahonkan wrote:
 
> Konta served better despite serving many DFs. She also went more for
> the corners and kept Halep on the run. The crowd support helped her
> tremendously.
 
Halep isn't interested in winning a slam, she's like Birdman, the FO showed that. She likes getting to finals though, that's why she played so well in the Konta match - as you say, Jo really had to go for broke to beat her. Great match.
kaennorsing <ljubitsis@hotmail.com>: Jul 12 01:12AM -0700

Op dinsdag 11 juli 2017 19:07:55 UTC+2 schreef me:
> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 5:12:14 PM UTC+1, The Iceberg wrote:
> > Forgot to say this yday, old Birdman took out Thiem, quite straight-forwardly if we're honest, despite it being 5 sets. I reckon Thiem is just a more entertaining version of Dimitrov, the chances of him getting to a slam final are zero, a bit like Nishi really. Have long said it's cos he puts so much effort into every shot and so he can't last that long. Find it a shame, as I like watching him play. Anyone agree/disagree with this?
 
> Dimitrov has far more efficient strokes and a greater variety and feel. Thiem is much more of a fighter though. Thiem has a great chance to win AO or FO at some point over the next decade. Wimbledon is not suited to his huge swings though. Dimitrov is a huge waste of talent. A more athletic version of Federer, yet has achieved nothing.
 
What makes you think Dimitrov is more athletic than Federer?
heyguys00@gmail.com: Jul 11 01:57PM -0700

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 4:44:23 PM UTC-4, AZ wrote:
> Has more Wimbledons than Lendl, Stich or Krajicek.
 
> Has more USOs than Safin, Hewitt or Roddick.
 
> Harsh to call him a one trick pony.
 
Nadal slams are two-thirds clay. Djok's are two-thirds HC. Is he a one-trick pony too?
SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Jul 11 02:22PM -0700


> > Has more USOs than Safin, Hewitt or Roddick.
 
> > Harsh to call him a one trick pony.
 
> Nadal slams are two-thirds clay. Djok's are two-thirds HC. Is he a one-trick pony too?
 
But 50% of the slams are on hard, only 25% of them on clay. So Djoker's slams are not that ridiculously skewed.
SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Jul 11 02:23PM -0700

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 4:44:23 PM UTC-4, AZ wrote:
> Has more Wimbledons than Lendl, Stich or Krajicek.
 
> Has more USOs than Safin, Hewitt or Roddick.
 
> Harsh to call him a one trick pony.
 
I think he meant relative to the ATGs.
ahonkan <ahonkan@gmail.com>: Jul 11 10:32PM -0700

On Tuesday, 11 July 2017 21:03:51 UTC+5:30, Javier González wrote:

> Nadal has the career slam and, has been less than one match away from a double career slam, multiple runner-ups at W/AO/USO. Sampras has three clay titles, two of them Mickey Mouse and one of them against someone with zero clay titles. Nadal on hard/grass > Sampras on clay.
 
Fed is less than four matches away from a quintuple CGS - losing 4 FO
finals to Rafa while he has 5, 7 & 5 at the other slams. Djoker too has
6,3 & 2 and is less than a match away from double CGS. Both have multiple
YEC's, more #weeks at #1 & more YE #1s. So if someone says "You can't be
the GOAT if you are not the best of your era", it applies more to Rafa
than to Fed (the intended target) or Djoker. Both are provably superior
in just about every category to Rafa.
 
I agree that both Borg & Sampras fall short by the same yardstick (no
HC slams, no clay slams) when compared to Rafa. He has a CGS & multiple
slam final losses at non-clay slams while Sampras was hopeless on clay
& Borg lost many HC slam finals. But that was an era when the surfaces
didn't play so similar as they do now and different skillsets were
needed. Considering the homogeneity of surfaces, Rafa's skewed career
record stands out as an aberration.
 
So although I hate to compare across eras, one goes back to Laver & Fed
as the top two to ever grace the game since the other 3 normally chosen
to be on the same platform (Borg, Sampras, Rafa) have noticeable holes
in their resumes. Also, Djoker's NCYGS is probably the best single
achievement of the Open Era.
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