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Monday, July 10, 2017

The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 10 01:29AM -0700

On Sunday, 9 July 2017 14:24:08 UTC+1, soccerfan777 wrote:
 
> > More and more pros seem to be treating tennis matches as if they are
> > playing chess, where "resigning" in an unwinnable position is the norm.
 
> If they are doing this quite often ATP/WTA/ITF should fine them. May be dock their prize money by 50% if you retire mid-match and 25% if you retire pre-match. It should be reasonable considering the money the sponsors and organizers lose when this happens.
 
they can't fine them cos they haven't broken any rules. Whisper's idea is the best heard so far cos it forces to work for a bonus, which most of them clearly need, as they don't bother. Dudi Sela could've spent the last set walking from side to side at least, but he didn't even bother doing that, pretty rubbish considering he was on a main court at Wimbledon!
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 10 01:30AM -0700

On Monday, 10 July 2017 01:24:36 UTC+1, Javier González wrote:
> > http://www.avg.com
 
> http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Israels-Dudi-Sela-out-of-Wimbledon-after-retiring-injured-499112
 
> Shoulda played through the injury so that Whisper wasn't offended ;)
 
he'd lost the first 2 sets 61 61, would it really have been sooo difficult to finish the match? it was really unfair for the fans, they would've seen a few more minutes of Dimitrov hitting balls at least.
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 10 01:31AM -0700

On Sunday, 9 July 2017 13:44:27 UTC+1, jdeluise wrote:
> > suffer long before eating (at best) another breadstick.
 
> More and more pros seem to be treating tennis matches as if they are
> playing chess, where "resigning" in an unwinnable position is the norm.
 
it all down to Fed upping their prize money.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jul 10 07:33PM +1000

On 9/07/2017 11:24 PM, soccerfan777 wrote:
 
>> More and more pros seem to be treating tennis matches as if they are
>> playing chess, where "resigning" in an unwinnable position is the norm.
 
> If they are doing this quite often ATP/WTA/ITF should fine them. May be dock their prize money by 50% if you retire mid-match and 25% if you retire pre-match. It should be reasonable considering the money the sponsors and organizers lose when this happens.
 
Tough to do as you can't prove they aren't genuine. Best to just offer
more $$ for every set they win in a losing match.
 
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Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jul 10 07:43PM +1000

On 10/07/2017 10:24 AM, Javier González wrote:
>> http://www.avg.com
 
> http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Israels-Dudi-Sela-out-of-Wimbledon-after-retiring-injured-499112
 
> Shoulda played through the injury so that Whisper wasn't offended ;)
 
Anyone with a genuine serious injury should definitely not play on.
Nobody wants to see a player hobbling around grimacing in pain. My
position is these situations are exceedingly rare - probably 95% are
faked/exaggerated. They still get prizemoney even if they withdraw,
just not as much as they would if they won a set or 2. That's fair imo.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jul 10 07:50PM +1000

On 10/07/2017 6:29 PM, The Iceberg wrote:
>>> playing chess, where "resigning" in an unwinnable position is the norm.
 
>> If they are doing this quite often ATP/WTA/ITF should fine them. May be dock their prize money by 50% if you retire mid-match and 25% if you retire pre-match. It should be reasonable considering the money the sponsors and organizers lose when this happens.
 
> they can't fine them cos they haven't broken any rules. Whisper's idea is the best heard so far cos it forces to work for a bonus, which most of them clearly need, as they don't bother. Dudi Sela could've spent the last set walking from side to side at least, but he didn't even bother doing that, pretty rubbish considering he was on a main court at Wimbledon!
 
I'm ok with Duda defaulting if he really couldn't play without great
pain, but he gets the base money only, not the extra bonus for winning a
set or 2. That's just the way the cookie crumbles when you get injured.
 
 
 
 
 
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arahim <arahim_arahim@hotmail.com>: Jul 10 03:10AM -0700

On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 2:33:30 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:
 
> Tough to do as you can't prove they aren't genuine. Best to just offer
> more $$ for every set they win in a losing match.
 
They do offer them more money to win three sets and move to the next round. If you are going to incentivize sets why not incentivize games and then points.
 
You can't prove they are genuine yet somehow you have come up with that only 1 in 20 is genuine?
arahim <arahim_arahim@hotmail.com>: Jul 10 03:13AM -0700

On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 1:30:39 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:
 
> > http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Israels-Dudi-Sela-out-of-Wimbledon-after-retiring-injured-499112
 
> > Shoulda played through the injury so that Whisper wasn't offended ;)
 
> he'd lost the first 2 sets 61 61, would it really have been sooo difficult to finish the match? it was really unfair for the fans, they would've seen a few more minutes of Dimitrov hitting balls at least.
 
On the other hand do you really want to see another 61 set between Dimitrov and Sela.
ahonkan <ahonkan@gmail.com>: Jul 10 02:06AM -0700

On Saturday, 8 July 2017 18:46:18 UTC+5:30, Whisper wrote:

> & can win in many different ways from all sorts of positions. Against
> Rafa/Djoker/Murray he knows a lapse could be fatal, so tightens up
> dramatically.
 
You have only regurgitated your age-old biased views.
You clearly don't remember Murray outclassing Murray twice in 2 games
with perhaps the best drop volleys *ever* in the 2nd set of the 2012
Wimbledon final after being down a set? If he missed, he could have
gone down 2 sets to love but he went ahead and hit those outrageous
shots against a Murray playing his best tennis.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jul 10 07:57PM +1000

On 10/07/2017 7:06 PM, ahonkan wrote:
> Wimbledon final after being down a set? If he missed, he could have
> gone down 2 sets to love but he went ahead and hit those outrageous
> shots against a Murray playing his best tennis.
 
Of course Fed has produced great dropshots. What I'm saying is Rafa is
cooler under pressure, more sure of himself. You can see Fed rushing
things, panicking a little when the score isn't going his way v a tough
opponent. He's more elegant/fluid v outclassed opponents, probably
because there is little chance of him losing the match & he can relax &
let it flow.
 
The only time I can ever recall him being relatively cool in a crisis is
the last AO final. That surprised me. It's one of the most memorable
matches in the last 15 yrs.
 
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Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Jul 09 08:55PM -0700

On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 10:09:31 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> > Muller, paire & mannarino.. wtf
 
> You forgot he will play the number one player Murray, lol :)
 
Yes, Nadal will have Murray but he has Cilic and I seem to recall before the draw most Fed fans praying that Cilic would be as far away as possible? Also many Fed fans looked at the draw and thought Nadal would be knocked out by one of the big hitters (Khachanov, Muller or Cilic.) So you can't have it both ways. Either you thought his draw was tricky and he'd be knocked out early or not?
 
What if he gets through those big hitters including Cilic and beats Roger (the grass GOAT) in the final? What will the excuses be then? Be careful.
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Jul 09 09:40PM -0700

> Yes, Nadal will have Murray but he has Cilic and I seem to recall before the draw most Fed fans praying that Cilic would be as far away as possible? Also many Fed fans looked at the draw and thought Nadal would be knocked out by one of the big hitters (Khachanov, Muller or Cilic.) So you can't have it both ways. Either you thought his draw was tricky and he'd be knocked out early or not?
 
Yes I agree about Cilic, I did say he is dangerous.
 
Not sure about Muller, or how good he will play.
Also I wouldn't consider him big hitter.
 
Federer has Dimitrov tomorrow, he almost beat Nadal in the AO, followed by a very good big hitter, followed by 12 slams champion, then the final.
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 10 01:23AM -0700

On Monday, 10 July 2017 04:55:17 UTC+1, Court_1 wrote:
 
> > You forgot he will play the number one player Murray, lol :)
 
> Yes, Nadal will have Murray but he has Cilic and I seem to recall before the draw most Fed fans praying that Cilic would be as far away as possible? Also many Fed fans looked at the draw and thought Nadal would be knocked out by one of the big hitters (Khachanov, Muller or Cilic.) So you can't have it both ways. Either you thought his draw was tricky and he'd be knocked out early or not?
 
> What if he gets through those big hitters including Cilic and beats Roger (the grass GOAT) in the final? What will the excuses be then? Be careful.
 
Fed's had such a tough time against absolute nobodies, fixed draw as usual.
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 10 01:23AM -0700

On Monday, 10 July 2017 05:40:36 UTC+1, PeteWasLucky wrote:
 
> Not sure about Muller, or how good he will play.
> Also I wouldn't consider him big hitter.
 
> Federer has Dimitrov tomorrow, he almost beat Nadal in the AO, followed by a very good big hitter, followed by 12 slams champion, then the final.
 
LOLOL
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jul 10 07:46PM +1000

On 10/07/2017 2:40 PM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
 
> Not sure about Muller, or how good he will play.
> Also I wouldn't consider him big hitter.
 
> Federer has Dimitrov tomorrow, he almost beat Nadal in the AO, followed by a very good big hitter, followed by 12 slams champion, then the final.
 
Real tennis fans want to see the toughest matches with the toughest
players. Fedfuckers want Bagditis-types all the way to the title.
 
 
 
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The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 10 01:40AM -0700

On Saturday, 8 July 2017 02:50:49 UTC+1, Patrick Kehoe wrote:
 
> > http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/news/ofner-wimbledon-2017-thursday
 
> Is Sock a party boy? I didn't know he was a night-lifer.
 
> Kinda looks like one, shaped like one. But I didn't know that was a rumour.
 
yep! been there when he been out partying!
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jul 10 07:34PM +1000

On 10/07/2017 3:51 AM, joh wrote:
>>> Arrogant smallmindedness, the kind of mindset that begets a Trump?
 
>> Yes, a Trump or a Hillary. Sad!
 
> who's hillary?
 
I think she was a 1st lady yrs ago?
 
 
 
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Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jul 10 07:30PM +1000

http://www.thegwpf.com/coldest-july-ever-in-the-northern-hemisphere/
 
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/07/07/delingpole-record-breaking-cold-in-greenland-alarmists-look-an-arctic-squirrel/
 
 
 
 
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ahonkan <ahonkan@gmail.com>: Jul 10 02:00AM -0700

On Sunday, 9 July 2017 00:12:03 UTC+5:30, SliceAndDice wrote:
> Vintage grasscourt stuff. Mischa forcing Roger to raise his level and Roger responding beautifully. Very enjoyable match so far.
 
Mischa was 20:9 on W:UE while Fed was an unbelievable 61:7.
That correctly shows the high caliber of the match.
 
I'd put Djoker-Rafa-Fed in a joint heap at the top, with Andy a couple
of rungs below based on form displayed in first week.
Raonic-Sascha Zverev should be the best match, along with Halep-Azarenka.
Svitolina-Ostapenko should be good too.
Berdych-Thiem, Agut-Cilic, Querrey-Anderson, Kerber-Muguruza and
Radwanska-Kuznetsova should be intriguing too.
All in all, we are looking at a very interesting set of matches.
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 10 01:39AM -0700

On Sunday, 9 July 2017 06:50:27 UTC+1, Patrick Kehoe wrote:
 
> Well, better for him that he's been going through it during the first week, than latter part of next week...
 
> Next match potentially physically taxing, so, he'll need plenty of sleep tonight and Sunday night... :)
 
> Keep away from dairy products :))))
 
it was so hard absolutely thrashing those nobodies last week, especially when Dolgo just retired after about 10mins.
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jul 10 01:40AM -0700

On Sunday, 9 July 2017 06:15:56 UTC+1, TT wrote:
> > https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/jul/08/roger-federer-beats-
> > mischa-zverev-wimbledon
 
> Is it as serious as his mono?
 
yeah! it about as true as his mono! LOL
grif <griffin_230@hotmail.com>: Jul 10 08:24AM +0100

On 10/07/2017 04:35, Court_1 wrote:
 
> TGBH and TRT are fabulous films and as I said, a real mix of quirkiness with serious undertones. He masters offbeat with undertones of darker themes beautifully and it's all done on a beautiful canvas to view. He's super innovative IMO.
 
> I'm looking forward to see some of his other movies.
 
> CALLING GRIF! Did you see "The Royal Tenenbaums" and if so, what did YOU think. Please, somebody with some sensible movie taste weigh in! :)
 
I don't think Anderson directed Squid.
 
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.sport.tennis/EOVY6dKsMGA/p-D5kXgeZ9sJ
 
Yeah, I like the ones I've seen from him. His idiosyncratic style and quirky humour appeal to me, but I also found TRT and TGBH to be quite poignant under the surface laughs. Tbh, I should watch more of his films.
 
Seen "The Driver", "Drive" and "Baby Driver". So Walter Hill's classic film influenced the latter two, but they're all very distinct films. I think TT said he didn't like "Drive" ? "Drive" surprised me the most. I found it to be superbly atmospheric (man, those neon-lit nightscapes) and smoothly directed. "Baby Driver" is an unusual film where a lot of the action is synchronised to the soundtrack, so it's almost like a musical getaway film. I wasn't so keen on it compared to the other two, but others I've talked to about it love it. Oh, and I don't like the film title, but apparently it was named after the Simon and Garfunkel song.
 
Edgar Wright And Walter Hill Discuss The Driver:
http://www.empireonline.com/movies/features/edgar-wright-walter-hill-discuss-driver/
 
Walter Hill talking about "Drive":
What did you think of Drive, since it was so reminiscent of your film The Driver?
Hill: (Laughs) Well, I met Nic Refn a couple of times. I quite like him and think he's a very good filmmaker. You know, when people told me about the movie I said, "I think you guys are exaggerating because if it was really taking everything from my movie they would never call it Drive. I'm assuming the man would be clever enough to avoid that." Then when I saw the movie, that's exactly what I thought. It's a very different movie. It has certain things, as Nic has told me, that are homage and that's fine. It's very complimentary. I bear him no animosity or anything. I think he's a remarkably talented guy and quite like him.
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Jul 09 08:47PM -0700

Another Spiderman movie? You'd have to pay me at least six figures to watch that nonsense.
 
Seriously, how could you be a 50+ year old person? Do you watch anything that isn't targeted for 18 year old people?
Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: Jul 09 09:07PM -0700

On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 8:47:44 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
 
> Another Spiderman movie? You'd have to pay me at least six figures to watch that nonsense.
 
What about if you had to choose between:
 
(1) "Spiderman: Homecoming"
(2) "Captain Underpants" (in the THEATER)
(3) an encore viewing of "Winter's Bone"
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com>: Jul 10 04:44AM

On Sun, 09 Jul 2017 20:47:42 -0700, Court_1 wrote:
 
> Seriously, how could you be a 50+ year old person? Do you watch anything
> that isn't targeted for 18 year old people?
 
I've been curious if Jaros buys $1,000 unobtainium-plated HDMI cables for
his home theatre as a videophile.
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