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Wednesday, July 12, 2017

"John B." <johnb505@gmail.com>: Jul 12 05:29AM -0700

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 8:00:46 PM UTC-4, Dene wrote:
> and live in a fact-free world of fantasy. Sound like anybody you know,
> Greg?
 
> $20 says there are no indictments. You in?
 
No indictments by when? By the end of the Trump admin, which will be
Jan 20, 2021? If so, then sure.
"John B." <johnb505@gmail.com>: Jul 12 05:41AM -0700

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 8:45:20 PM UTC-4, Carbon wrote:
> >> something about the phone debacle. Just Obama, as usual.
 
> > Both equally inept Presidents. One did the wrong things. Other did nothing at all.
 
> Your bias is crippling. Wubya was a legacy admission to pretty much every part of adult life. Obama got the ACA pushed through despite frantic Republican opposition, among many other things.
 
As I recall, Bush dragged us into two arbitrary and unnecessary wars
that got 5,000 Americans killed and cost the taxpayers $1.5 trillion,
pushed tax cuts that cost the Treasury another $1.2 trillion and did
nothing for the economy and is thought by historians to be the worst
president in US history (before Trump came along). Obama came to
office during the worst recession in 70 years, pumped money into
the economy to create jobs and keep us out of a depression, saved
the auto industry, got a health care bill passed, got Dodd-Frank
passed, got three trade agreements passed, reduced carbon emissions,
won a Nobel Peace Prize, killed Osama bin Laden, crippled ISIS,
stood up to Netanyahu, did away with don't-ask-don't-tell.
BK@Onramp.net: Jul 12 09:22AM -0500

On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 07:55:56 -0500 (CDT), Moderate
>> Jan 20, 2021? If so, then sure.
 
>Be careful. What if a former Obama staffer still in the
> Administration is indicated.
 
Indicted.
 
> Orsomeone like Donald Jr who is not art of the Administration.
 
The question was just no indictments, nothing about them being to
those in the administration.
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>: Jul 12 07:23AM -0700

On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 8:41:17 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
 
> > Your bias is crippling. Wubya was a legacy admission to pretty much every part of adult life. Obama got the ACA pushed through despite frantic Republican opposition, among many other things.
 
> As I recall, Bush dragged us into two arbitrary and unnecessary wars
> that got 5,000 Americans killed and cost the taxpayers $1.5 trillion,
 
Your number is a tag low: its currently $2T, with an additional $4T
in known future liabilities (VA healthcare, etc), plus intangibles.
 
> passed, got three trade agreements passed, reduced carbon emissions,
> won a Nobel Peace Prize, killed Osama bin Laden, crippled ISIS,
> stood up to Netanyahu, did away with don't-ask-don't-tell.
 
IMO, the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize probably included a politically
motivated thumb-in-the-eye to Bush, but what its detractors do try
to ignore is that Obama had already moved the needle diplomatically
on International Policy issues from where Bush had us mired down.
 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_New_Beginning>
 
...as such, the NPP could be viewed as an "Attaboy, Keep Up the
Good Work!", even if little else tangible ever happened. But
despite domestic contrarians, process was nevertheless made.
 
 
-hh
"DumbedDownUSA" <dumb.america@gmail.com>: Jul 12 02:30PM

John B. wrote:
 
> > frantic Republican opposition, among many other things.
 
> As I recall, Bush dragged us into two arbitrary and unnecessary wars
> that got 5,000 Americans killed
 
Not to mention over 1 million other equally important human beings.
"DumbedDownUSA" <dumb.america@gmail.com>: Jul 12 03:06PM

Moderate wrote:
 
 
> I would not take a bet that any person anywhere for any reason
> would not be indicted.
 
Well good for you.
 
> That is
> a fools bet.
 
Now your obfuscating; would you or wouldn't you take that bet?
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Jul 12 08:19AM -0700

On 2017-07-12 5:51 AM, Moderate wrote:
>> won a Nobel Peace Prize, killed Osama bin Laden, crippled ISIS,
>> stood up to Netanyahu, did away with don't-ask-don't-tell.
 
> The recession recovery had already begun when Obama took office.
 
No. It hadn't.
 
> He did more economic harm than good.
 
LOL!
 
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>: Jul 12 09:14AM -0700

On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 11:19:40 AM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2017-07-12 5:51 AM, Moderate wrote:
 
> > The recession recovery had already begun when Obama took office.
 
> No. It hadn't.
 
And quite trivial to prove 'Moderate' wrong (again).
 
For example, if the recovery had begun before 20 Jan 2009,
then why is it that the low for the DJIA for 2001-present
occurred in early March 2009 (yes, ~6 weeks after Obama
took office).
 
Citation:
 
March 9, 2009: The Day Stocks Bottomed Out

"'How low can stocks go?' That was the omnioius query
topping The Wall Street Journal's Money and Investing
section on March 9, 2009.
 
It wasn't an idle question. The Dow was on its fourth
straight week of losses, while the broader S&P 500 was
below 700 for the first time in 13 years. Goldman Sachs
put out a research report that warned the S&P could fall
as low as 400.
 
A year later, we know that March 9 was the bottom of a
months-long financial panic that wiped away trillions
of dollars in assets."
 
<https://www.forbes.com/2010/03/06/march-bear-market-low-personal-finance-march-2009.html>
 
Similarly, on the metric of Job Loss/Gain, Jan 2009 was
the worst month of the entire period:
 
<https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/economy/news/2009/11/30/6923/job-creation-in-a-recession-the-basics/>
 
And while people can now retrospectively see the bottom,
this wasn't immediate clear at the time, nor was it what
many people wanted to hear as net job losses continued on
for nearly two more years (until Oct 2010) until actually
posting a reversal. By that point, the economy had lost a
net total of 7.224 million jobs lost since Aug 2008, which
also meant a huge hill to climb back to the prior normal
of pre-recession employment levels:
 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Job_losses_caused_by_the_Great_Recession>
 
...and it took many subsequent positive job reports to build
cumulatively back up to the pre-recession employment levels.
Just how many/how long? The answer is not until January 2014.
 
 
 
-hh
"John B." <johnb505@gmail.com>: Jul 12 09:30AM -0700

On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 12:14:53 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> cumulatively back up to the pre-recession employment levels.
> Just how many/how long? The answer is not until January 2014.
 
> -hh
 
 
Moderate has made this claim a dozen times and has been proven
wrong every time. He doesn't seem to care.
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Jul 12 09:37AM -0700

On 2017-07-12 9:27 AM, Moderate wrote:
 
> Since the recession ended in June of 2009 less that six months
> after Obama took office, by simple math the recovery began before
> he was elected.
 
As ever, your logic is flawed.
 
Most of the first quarter of 2009 was under Obama's watch. The growth
that happened in that quarter didn't necessarily happen before he took
office, now did it?
"DumbedDownUSA" <dumb.america@gmail.com>: Jul 12 04:44PM

Moderate wrote:
 
 
> Since the recession ended in June of 2009 less that six months
> after Obama took office, by simple math the recovery began before
> he was elected.
 
Not simple math; simpleton math.
 
Do you have the growth rates to back up your ASSertion?
 
or do you need help?
"DumbedDownUSA" <dumb.america@gmail.com>: Jul 12 04:45PM

Alan Baker wrote:
 
> Most of the first quarter of 2009 was under Obama's watch. The growth
> that happened in that quarter didn't necessarily happen before he
> took office, now did it?
 
What growth?
Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>: Jul 12 06:02AM -0500

> wrote:
 
>>$20 says there are zero indictments. You in?
 
> That wouldn't mean that no law was broken. Politics you know.
 
No shit.
--
Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>: Jul 12 06:07AM -0500

> On 07/11/2017 08:00 PM, Dene wrote:
 
>> $20 says there are no indictments. You in?
 
> You're gonna lose!
 
Speaking of losers where is my money?
--
Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>: Jul 12 07:51AM -0500

> passed, got three trade agreements passed, reduced carbon emissions,
> won a Nobel Peace Prize, killed Osama bin Laden, crippled ISIS,
> stood up to Netanyahu, did away with don't-ask-don't-tell.
 
The recession recovery had already begun when Obama took office.
He did more economic harm than good.
--
Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>: Jul 12 07:55AM -0500


>> $20 says there are no indictments. You in?
 
> No indictments by when? By the end of the Trump admin, which will be
> Jan 20, 2021? If so, then sure.
 
Be careful. What if a former Obama staffer still in the
Administration is indicated. Or someone like Donald Jr who is not
part of the Administration.
--
Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>: Jul 12 09:35AM -0500


>> Orsomeone like Donald Jr who is not art of the Administration.
 
> The question was just no indictments, nothing about them being to
> those in the administration.
 
I would not take a bet that any person anywhere for any reason
would not be indicted. That is
a fools bet.
--
Moderate <nospam@noemail.com>: Jul 12 11:27AM -0500

>> On 2017-07-12 5:51 AM, Moderate wrote:
 
>> > The recession recovery had already begun when Obama took office.
 
> And quite trivial to prove 'Moderate' wrong (again).
 
Why are you quoting articles about the stock market to try and
prove me wrong?
 
It is universally accepted that two consecutive quarters of GDP
growth indicate the end of the recession.
 
Since the recession ended in June of 2009 less that six months
after Obama took office, by simple math the recovery began before
he was elected.
 
 
--
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Jul 12 01:33AM -0700

On 2017-07-11 12:55 PM, Dene wrote:
> Bill O nailed it.....
 
> Trump, Jr. smart to release emails. Tabloid guy set him up w Russian lawyer who promised Hillary dirt. She didn't deliver. That's the story.
 
The story is that he denied having any meets "set up" with anyone...
 
...and then it turns out he lied.
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Jul 12 01:35AM -0700

On 2017-07-11 1:54 PM, DumbedDownUSA wrote:
 
> I have a job thanks. Unfortunately for you it doesn't prevent me from
> reading the news.
 
> The ad hominen really kick in when you feel stressed, eh Greg.
 
Every time.
 
Greg is... ...quite frankly... ...a little pussy.
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Jul 12 01:36AM -0700

On 2017-07-11 4:59 PM, Dene wrote:
 
> YES.
> - show quoted text -
 
> $20 says there are zero indictments. You in?
 
I'm in.
 
But I know you'll renege if you lose.
 
:-)
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>: Jul 12 03:14AM -0700

On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 4:36:50 AM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
 
> I'm in.
 
> But I know you'll renege if you lose.
 
> :-)
 
Is there going to be an independent third party who now receives
the wagers, so as to prevent the parties from welching?
 
 
-hh
"John B." <johnb505@gmail.com>: Jul 12 05:45AM -0700

On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 6:14:33 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
 
> Is there going to be an independent third party who now receives
> the wagers, so as to prevent the parties from welching?
 
> -hh
 
Greg won't welsh and neither will I.
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Jul 12 02:08AM -0700

...that would be LIES, wingnuts:
 
<https://www.justsecurity.org/36515/tracking-trump-teams-conflicting-false-statements-russia-chart/>
 
Here's an example:
 
'On the night Buzzfeed published the document, Cohen tweeted a photo of
his U.S. passport with the caption: "I have never been to Prague in my
life. #fakenews" Trump retweeted Cohen's tweet.'
 
'In an interview conducted the week before the dossier was made public,
Cohen told the Wall Street Journal that he traveled to Prague in 2001.'
 
Another:
 
'At the Jan. 11 press conference, in prepared remarks, Spicer said,
"Carter Page is an individual who the president-elect does not know and
was put on notice months ago by the campaign."'
 
'In a March interview with the Washington Post, Trump personally listed
Page as a member of his initial foreign policy team, which at the time
included five people.'
 
And for context:
 
'RYAN: Thank you… We've heard you're going to be announcing your foreign
policy team shortly… Any you can share with us?
 
TRUMP: Well, I hadn't thought of doing it, but if you want I can give
you some of the names… Walid Phares, who you probably know, PhD, adviser
to the House of Representatives caucus, and counter-terrorism expert;
Carter Page, PhD'
 
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/03/21/a-transcript-of-donald-trumps-meeting-with-the-washington-post-editorial-board/>
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>: Jul 12 01:44AM -0700

On 2017-07-11 10:19 AM, Moderate wrote:
 
>>> Lot's more that clears the administration.
 
>> That is simply a lie.
 
> It is a direct quote from Comey.
 
And it simply doesn't say what you claim it says.
 
You can either admit your complete ignorance where English comprehension
is concerned...
 
...or admit you lied.
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