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Tuesday, July 11, 2017

"wolfie" <bgbdwolf@gte.net>: Jul 11 04:51PM -0400

tim.vanwagonerspam@gmail.com wrote
 
> Government deciding what they are willing to pay for
> something is perfectly reasonable as long as they do
> not compel the individual to provide that service.
 
And they don't. So no problem.
michael anderson <mianderson79@gmail.com>: Jul 11 01:55PM -0700

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 1:49:13 PM UTC-5, wolfie wrote:
 
> You realize you just pointed out exactly what's wrong
> with the health care industry? You're willing to provide
> the service for $187. WTF are you charging others more?
 
huh? Are you serious?
 
I'm agreeing to take less from some payers *BECAUSE I WANT TO*. It could be based on any number of factors- such as complexity of the typical patients from that payer source, amount of administrative paperwork/hassle from that payer source, etc....there are cases where I am on one insurance panel that pays less than an inpatient insurance panel I refuse to be a part of because the insurance panel that pays more for my most common inpatient codes is unreasonable when it comes to peer reviews and documenting medical neccessity.
 
The fact that you even pose the question that way shows how little you know about the issue imo.
michael anderson <mianderson79@gmail.com>: Jul 11 02:01PM -0700

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 1:49:13 PM UTC-5, wolfie wrote:
Of course, single payer would
> do exactly that, but it's your example that needs fixing, not
> the assortment of payers.
 
If we instituted a medicare for all system tommorrow(and only medicare for everyone) and the codes stayed exactly the same, I'd make another 150-180k per year easy. Due to a number of factors(I'd have far fewer days/codes not covered would be the biggest).
 
Actually a lot of non-procedure high volume based specialties would either do a little better or about the same.
 
The procedure based specialties, especially those that arent high volume, would take a big hit.
 
But thats not the main issue with single payer. The main issue is that if you only had ONE payer, then what is to stop them from slashing rates to absurd levels? Right now they can't do that for obvious reasons. So while I might be satisfied with what medicare now pays for a full level inpatient psych H&P, if they were the *only player* in the game that would scare the shit out of me and every other provider because rates may plummet...
tim.vanwagonerspam@gmail.com: Jul 11 02:05PM -0700

Your proposed law stated the can't charge more that what they charge Medicare. A provider doesn't decide what they charge Medicare. While some providers can choose not to accept Medicare patients or choose what percentage of their patient mix are covered by Medicare, as a whole, most providers must accept at least some of them just to financially survive. Thus, a law like that would be a de facto governmental price control.
"wolfie" <bgbdwolf@gte.net>: Jul 11 06:34PM -0400

"michael anderson" wrote
 
> if they were the *only player* in the game that
> would scare the shit out of me and every other
> provider because rates may plummet...
 
Single-payer's coming. Already being discussed
in two states, with more to come. With Dolt 45
a disaster for the GOP, it won't be long.
"wolfie" <bgbdwolf@gte.net>: Jul 11 06:40PM -0400

tim.vanwagonerspam@gmail.com wrote
 
> Thus, a law like that would be a de facto
> governmental price control.
 
Yeah, that's part of why other countries on
different single payer options get a better
cost ratio out of their health care dollar.
That's not a bug; it's a feature.
 
BTW, is it a "de facto governmental price
control" if a single private company has a
virtual monopoly on health care insurance
plans in an area and uses it to drive down
its costs?
 
Asking for a friend. ($1)
michael anderson <mianderson79@gmail.com>: Jul 11 05:54PM -0700

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 5:34:34 PM UTC-5, wolfie wrote:
 
> Single-payer's coming. Already being discussed
> in two states, with more to come. With Dolt 45
> a disaster for the GOP, it won't be long.
 
I think we can stave it off(complete single payer) for most of my career. But if it does tragically come and reimbursements plummet, I just won't take it. I'm fortunate enough to work in an area of medicine where there is a thriving cash market now similar to dentistry. Of course it would mean changing the nature of my practice(would have to move from an inpatient to outpt and contract work focus), but I'd be fine....
 
A lot of other providers in other areas would be able to transition to a similar system. If single payer did come and reimbursements stayed the same or increased slightly, I'd be fine with that. I just don't think it's going to happen as soon as you and other libs think...
Some dued <theodoreward@gmail.com>: Jul 11 02:45PM -0700

No one laughed at 69 cause you told it wrong.
"Damon Hynes, Cyclone Ranger" <damonhynes@gmail.com>: Jul 11 04:13PM -0700

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 4:45:25 PM UTC-5, Some dued wrote:
> No one laughed at 69 cause you told it wrong.
 
Story of my life.
plaidmoon@gmail.com: Jul 11 04:23PM -0700

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 8:20:21 AM UTC-7, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
 
> Then you've got your wish. The workers who lost their jobs due to raising
> the floor wage for workers with jobs are now earning exactly that.
 
> The minimum wage is always zero.
 
I've seen a couple of vacation packages that allow you to work on a paleontology dig for a few days or a week if you donate to the people doing the dig. So, in that case the minimum wage was below zero... you pay them to work.
Ken Olson <kolson@freedomnet.org>: Jul 11 07:44PM -0400

On 7/11/2017 11:03 AM, Damon Hynes, Cyclone Ranger wrote:
> 69
 
One of the magic numbers!
Some dued <theodoreward@gmail.com>: Jul 11 05:45PM -0700

69 is the story of your life? Sounds like a good one.
RoddyMcCorley <Roddy.McCorley@verizon.net>: Jul 11 03:36PM -0400

> But the point of the post isn't whether what he did was wrong, it was whether the CONSERBATIVES OF RSFC would condemn him.
 
> Yet, we had no outbursts of condemnation from the left of Hillary, Donna Brazille, etc., etc., etc.
 
> I think its funny. Everyone is playing by the same rules all of a sudden.
 
The Brazille thing is not even in the same ballpark as the Don Jr thing,
but nice try.
 
--
False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul
with evil.
 
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Ken Olson <kolson@freedomnet.org>: Jul 11 07:18PM -0400

On 7/11/2017 3:28 PM, Eric Ramon wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 11:37:51 AM UTC-7, the_andr...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> I anxiously await your links to RSFC lefties condemning Brazille, et al.
 
> just curious. Where do you think I fit on the left/right scale?
 
Center left
tim.vanwagonerspam@gmail.com: Jul 11 05:04PM -0700

Fredo says that in retrospect he would do things differently, probably like not collude with Mo Green and Hyman Roth against the family.
Some dued <theodoreward@gmail.com>: Jul 11 03:12PM -0700

A riptide swept away a Florida family. Then beachgoers formed a human chain.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/07/11/a-riptide-swept-away-a-florida-family-then-beachgoers-formed-a-human-chain/
"the_andrew_smith@yahoo.com" <agavinsmith@gmail.com>: Jul 11 03:41PM -0700

I thought this was cool. Also incredible that someone didn't break the chain and lose a bunch of lives.
 
We had 4 people die in the rips at Emerald Isle a few weeks ago.
"Damon Hynes, Cyclone Ranger" <damonhynes@gmail.com>: Jul 11 04:06PM -0700

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 5:12:57 PM UTC-5, Some dued wrote:
> A riptide swept away a Florida family. Then beachgoers formed a human chain.
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/07/11/a-riptide-swept-away-a-florida-family-then-beachgoers-formed-a-human-chain/
 
Nice.
Ken Olson <kolson@freedomnet.org>: Jul 11 07:15PM -0400

On 7/11/2017 7:06 PM, Damon Hynes, Cyclone Ranger wrote:
>> A riptide swept away a Florida family. Then beachgoers formed a human chain.
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/07/11/a-riptide-swept-away-a-florida-family-then-beachgoers-formed-a-human-chain/
 
> Nice.
 
+1
Ken Olson <kolson@freedomnet.org>: Jul 11 07:10PM -0400

https://patriotpost.us/articles/50109
 
 
Leftists don't see the world the same way, and thus they make wrong
assumptions about those interests.
RoddyMcCorley <Roddy.McCorley@verizon.net>: Jul 11 03:40PM -0400


> The NYT has written an article based on anonymous source(s) that claimed that DJTJ agreed to meet with a RUSSIAN AGENT WHO WAS SEEKING TO PROVIDE INFORMATION THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT UNCOVERED ON HILLARY. All based on an email received by DJTJ from an acquaintance of DJT.
 
> However, the acquaintance, the person that sent the email, doesn't recall hearing anything about the Russian government having anything to do with this. He said, he was "...told she [the Russian lawyer] has information about illegal campaign contributions to the D.N.C.,..."
 
> So, an anonymously sourced email that no one has seen that a Russian person has dirt on the DNC turns into TRUMP IS A RUSSIAN AGENT WORKING DIRECTLY FOR PUTIN, simply because somebody chatted with a Russian attorney?
 
Here: read the e-mails for yourself.
https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/884789418455953413/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2017%2F07%2F11%2Fpolitics%2Ftrump-jr-russia-lawyer-emails%2Findex.html
 
 
--
False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul
with evil.
 
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Some dued <theodoreward@gmail.com>: Jul 11 02:51PM -0700

Its Twitter, the referral part is unnecessary.
RoddyMcCorley <Roddy.McCorley@verizon.net>: Jul 11 03:30PM -0400

On 7/11/2017 9:01 AM, unclejr wrote:
>> ought to file a suit against Stoops to get their money back. He is no
>> John Chavis.
 
> He also retired recently from Oklahoma.
 
Don't be so STOOPid.
 
--
False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul
with evil.
 
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RoddyMcCorley <Roddy.McCorley@verizon.net>: Jul 11 03:29PM -0400

> Now this is a high quality shiny hook. No apparent angle. Just a topic.
 
> You'll have two fish killing each other just to get gut hooked by this.
 
Looks like a "nothing burger" to me.
 
--
False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul
with evil.
 
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xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com>: Jul 11 11:49AM -0700

> Technically, that's a union plane.
 
You mean it takes frequent breaks and doesn't do any more than what's written in its job description?
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