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Saturday, June 10, 2017

SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Jun 10 12:52PM -0700

Please! Madison has zero court sense, just a mindless ball basher. Ostapenko's serve is a bit of a liability, yes. But nothing a good coach cannot help fix.
Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: Jun 10 12:57PM -0700

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 12:52:51 PM UTC-7, SliceAndDice wrote:
 
> Please! Madison has zero court sense, just a mindless ball basher. Ostapenko's serve is a bit of a liability, yes. But nothing a good coach cannot help fix.
 
Madison Keys is like a female Phillipoussis. Both complete boneheads that never learn a thing.
calimero377@gmx.de: Jun 10 03:54PM -0700

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 3:30:12 PM UTC+2, The Iceberg wrote:
> Ostapenko seems like a cleverer version of Madison Keys.
 
 
Who is that? A singer?
 
 
Max
Garvin Yee <drsmith004@gmail.com>: Jun 10 01:47PM -0700


> This African chick is done.
 
> Max
 
You WISH!
 
Serena has PLENTY more slams left in her!
 
Haha!
 
:)
 
 
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calimero377@gmx.de: Jun 10 03:53PM -0700

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 10:48:32 PM UTC+2, Garvin Yee wrote:
 
> You WISH!
 
> Serena has PLENTY more slams left in her!
 
Lol
 
 
 
Max
Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: Jun 10 01:10PM -0700

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 12:06:41 PM UTC-7, bob wrote:
 
> federer seems like a great guy: dad, husband, charity work.
> lebron james seems like a great guy: dad, husband, charithy work.
\
> think he's rather arrogant about his tennnis. he wins, sure, GOAT,
> fine, but i don't care for arrogance regardless. from lebron, jordan
> or fed.
 
We've been over this territory before, but I don't think it's "arrogance" so much as poor discretion about making such public statements. IMO that mindset is almost necessary to be the best in the world or even in contention for best, especially in sports. Saying those things publicly though is bad form, I agree. Federer seems rather oblivious to how this comes across. Sometimes I get a good laugh out of it.
Federer Fanatic <TheRelentlessTide@nospam.invalid>: Jun 10 03:19PM -0500

On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 15:06:35 -0400, bob <bob@nospam.net> wrote:
| On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 10:22:37 -0500, Federer Fanatic
|<TheRelentlessTide@nospam.invalid> wrote:
|
|>On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 01:15:11 +1000, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com> wrote:
|>| On 11/06/2017 1:01 AM, Federer Fanatic wrote:
|>|> On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 00:56:17 +1000, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com> wrote:
|>|> | On 11/06/2017 12:53 AM, Federer Fanatic wrote:
|>|> |> On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 00:47:16 +1000, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com> wrote:
|>|> |> | On 11/06/2017 12:34 AM, Federer Fanatic wrote:
|>|> |> |> On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 00:28:18 +1000, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com> wrote:
|>|> |> |> | On 11/06/2017 12:18 AM, Federer Fanatic wrote:
|>|> |> |> |> On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 00:06:25 +1000, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com> wrote:
|>|> |> |> |
|>|> |> |> |
|>|> |> |> | I love Stan's game - best from a visual perspective this century I
|>|> |> |> | reckon - so always happy when he wins a slam. However I also admire
|>|> |> |> | Rafa greatly. He's the only clear cut surface goat/boat in tennis
|>|> |> |> | history, so it's a massive privilege watching this guy's career in real
|>|> |> |> | time. Trust me we won't see a guy dominate a surface to this extent
|>|> |> |> | ever again.
|>|> |> |> |
|>|> |> |> | I'd like to see Rafa make a real run at Fed's 18 slam record so this
|>|> |> |> | match is crucial for him. If he loses this it could be career ending
|>|> |> |> | for him, given he let a golden opportunity slip by in AO final. If he
|>|> |> |> | wins then I think he can win another slam this yr to get to 16.
|>|> |> |> |
|>|> |> |> |
|>|> |> |> |
|>|> |> |>
|>|> |> |> Honest response and your true motivation is revealed ;-) More anti-Fed sentiments
|>|> |> |> as if that's a surprise to anyone...
|>|> |> |>
|>|> |> |> FF
|>|> |> |>
|>|> |> | It's not really 'anti Fed' though, more a search for the truth. From
|>|> |> | what I've seen in the Fed v Rafa rivalry I have no doubt Rafa at his
|>|> |> | best beats Fed at his best. At least if I was forced to bet my life on
|>|> |> | who wins a match between these 2 guys, I'd always pick Rafa. That being
|>|> |> | the case why shouldn't he hold the slam record, given imo he's the
|>|> |> | better 'big match' player?
|>|> |> |
|>|> |> |: )
|>|> |> |
|>|> |> |
|>|> |>
|>|> |> Yes. I would want Rafa to play for my life too, but I wouldn't mind Fed either.
|>|> |>
|>|> |> FF
|>|> |>
|>|> |
|>|> | If I had to pick a great player to win any random match pulled out of a
|>|> | hat, to play for my life, then I would pick Federer.
|>|> |
|>|> |
|>|>
|>|> It sounds like your hedging your answer. Fed or Nadal for life? Let's agree
|>|> that either guy would be equally preferred?
|>|>
|>|> FF
|>|>
|>|
|>|
|>|
|>| Different questions require different analysis. If it's peak Fed v peak
|>| Rafa I pick peak Rafa, if random match v anybody over 10 yrs I pick Federer.
|>|
|>|
|>OK. If Fed and Rafa played each other for your life you would pick Rafa. I suppose
|>that's fair based on the head to head. Especially on clay. How about Peak Fed against Peak
|>Rafa on grass or hardcourt? Obviously if it was a round robin tournament where a series
|>of matches determined your life Fed would clearly be the choice as he beats everyone
|>thoroughly.
|
| on clay, obviously peak rafa over anyone. on grass and hc, much
| tougher choice. rafa wasn't consistent enough to play fed all that
| often in HC/grass slam finals, but he did win 1 of 3 at wimbledon, and
| the 2 he lost he was very young.
|
| since 08, it's 4-1 rafa in slams OFF clay, fed's lone win this past
| AO.
|
|>ps. You find Fed unappealing as a person? Irrelevant from the tennis point of view....
|
| federer seems like a great guy: dad, husband, charity work.
| lebron james seems like a great guy: dad, husband, charithy work.
|
| but 2 yrs ago lebron said, "sure we can beat the warriors, i'm the
| best player in the world." to me fed's always said things that make me
| think he's rather arrogant about his tennnis. he wins, sure, GOAT,
| fine, but i don't care for arrogance regardless. from lebron, jordan
| or fed.
|
| bob
 
I just listened to a podcast by Stephen A Smith and he noted that LeBron refused
to talk about the Warriors in this playoffs. I can see why Durant is the best
player in the world?
 
FF
Federer Fanatic <TheRelentlessTide@nospam.invalid>: Jun 10 03:21PM -0500

On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 13:10:09 -0700 (PDT), Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com> wrote:
| On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 12:06:41 PM UTC-7, bob wrote:
|
|> federer seems like a great guy: dad, husband, charity work.
|> lebron james seems like a great guy: dad, husband, charithy work.
| \
|> but 2 yrs ago lebron said, "sure we can beat the warriors, i'm the
|> best player in the world." to me fed's always said things that make me
|> think he's rather arrogant about his tennnis. he wins, sure, GOAT,
|> fine, but i don't care for arrogance regardless. from lebron, jordan
|> or fed.
|
| We've been over this territory before, but I don't think it's "arrogance" so much as poor discretion about making such
| public statements. IMO that mindset is almost necessary to be the best in the world or even in contention for best,
| especially in sports. Saying those things publicly though is bad form, I agree. Federer seems rather oblivious to how
| this comes across. Sometimes I get a good laugh out of it.
|
 
Yes. Fed is oblivious but not in a denegrating manner to others. I am sure if Mirka took him aside and
said something he'd have a bit of blank look on his face. True arrogance is when you promote yourself AND
denigrate your opponent. A lot like a NBA players do.
 
FF
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 10 05:18PM -0400

On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 13:10:09 -0700 (PDT), Gracchus
>> fine, but i don't care for arrogance regardless. from lebron, jordan
>> or fed.
 
>We've been over this territory before, but I don't think it's "arrogance" so much as poor discretion about making such public statements. IMO that mindset is almost necessary to be the best in the world or even in contention for best, especially in sports. Saying those things publicly though is bad form, I agree. Federer seems rather oblivious to how this comes across. Sometimes I get a good laugh out of it.
 
fans of these guys will think it's ok, and really, it is. nobody's
murdering his ex wife and her lover for ex. by all counts, federer is
a great guy overall in life, never heard anyone speak differently.
also he's great at tennis and he knows it, pretty simple.
 
"humbalito" OTOH (who calls him that, btw, carey?) often says his wins
were "lucky" and he's "the underdog" even on clay, etc. false modesty?
or is he just really modest? has anyone actually done a study on caged
howler monkeys to get a feel for it? :-)
 
relative of mine said something yrs ago: we like who we like. i
reckon.
 
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 10 05:24PM -0400

On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 15:19:04 -0500, Federer Fanatic
 
>I just listened to a podcast by Stephen A Smith and he noted that LeBron refused
>to talk about the Warriors in this playoffs. I can see why Durant is the best
>player in the world?
 
2 yrs ago lebron was fuming that curry was voted the unamimous MVP.
absolutely furious about it. IMO lebron's a very tough competitor and
a bit of a sore loser. he has an ego when it comes to basketball. but
he seems to be a great dad, great husband and does a lot of city
charity work, so overall, a great guy.
 
maybe these guys that reach the pinnacle, best in the world or best
ever - your lebrons, federers, jordans, serenas, etc - just have an
extra gene that makes them (1) that great (2) difficulty being humble
about it? and not just for athletes, in general.
 
(i like durant, hope to god they don't blow this btw...)
 
bob
Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Jun 10 02:55PM -0700

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.sport.tennis/humbalito%7Csort:relevance/rec.sport.tennis/IBN8MBMzbEc/WmYd1JSDm_kJ
SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Jun 10 12:44PM -0700

+1. It took me 10 minutes of watching her for me to go..this kid is winning a slam for sure.
Yama <yama212NOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk>: Jun 11 12:00AM +0300

10.6.2017, 18:14, Garvin Yee kirjoitti:
 
> Awesome! And she didn't seem too surprised to win!
 
> :)
 
Ostapenko threw her racquet before the last point ended. Point should
have gone to Halep and match continued.
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 10 05:09PM -0400

On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 12:44:22 -0700 (PDT), SliceAndDice
 
>+1. It took me 10 minutes of watching her for me to go..this kid is winning a slam for sure.
 
now that she won it, at 20 yrs 2 days, i want to see her continue on
this path. don't want to see her losing 1st week at the next 5 slams.
 
bob
Garvin Yee <drsmith004@gmail.com>: Jun 10 02:11PM -0700

On 6/10/2017 12:44 PM, SliceAndDice wrote:
> +1. It took me 10 minutes of watching her for me to go..this kid is winning a slam for sure.
 
Just re-watch the first game!
 
I knew she could win it after seeing that!
 
But could she keep it up consistently enough?
 
Yes, Indeed!
 
 
 
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Jun 10 11:08PM +0200


> Ostapenko threw her racquet before the last point ended. Point should
> have gone to Halep and match continued.
 
:)
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"Scall5" <nospam@home.net>: Jun 10 04:17PM -0500

"TennisGuy" wrote in message news:ohhgef$m67$1@dont-email.me...
 
Never watched more than a few games of Halep prior to this with the
sound turned on.
Boy does she ever have an annoying artificial grunt!
 
The kind that lasts until the ball has traveled well over the net
and is interfering with the other player's concentration when they are
making contact with the ball.
 
Aural feedback that occurs when contact is made with a ball is very
important in tennis.
 
If that aural feedback for a player is compromised in any way their
stroke production can be affected.
 
Halep's grunts are distracting and deliberate. Many points she is too
busy concentrating on just retrieving the ball that she FORGETS to grunt!
This provides concrete proof that the grunts are not a natural result of
stroke production.
Just like Sharapova's shrieks.
 
If the WTA and ATP would enforce a point penalty for every artificial
grunt/shriek, tennis would be a lot more enjoyable to watch and fair
for the opponents.
 
*************
I think her grunt this Roland Garros has been worse than ever (IIRC one or
more has mentioned it here on rst this past two weeks). If so, then it does
need to be banned.
 
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Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: Jun 10 12:52PM -0700

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 11:40:12 AM UTC-7, bob wrote:
> something) often like to take the lead, refuse compromise, make things
> all about themselves and often refuse to share the glory. that makes
> them come across as pricks to many of us. steve jobs being 1 example.
 
Jobs was a prick in many ways. Not just things he said/did to rivals and subordinates in business, but the way he treated his daughter's mother when she got pregnant and denying paternity for years? I can't see creating a different moral standard for someone just because they a a high achiever.
 
> popular and kept that popularity for a long long time so maybe he was.
> and definitely in his own mind. but i can't knock captain kirk, nope.
> :-)
 
I can't knock Captain Kirk either, but Shatner sometimes yes. :) As Shatner himself has said, he played Captain Kirk as the man he would *like* to be. It's hard to imagine anyone else imbuing the character with the required charisma as well as Shatner did. Too bad he could never equal that role later. After being Captain Kirk, there's no way T.J. Hooker won't pale in comparison.
Federer Fanatic <TheRelentlessTide@nospam.invalid>: Jun 10 03:35PM -0500

On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 20:53:42 +0200 (CEST), *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
| Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
|> On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 11:01:02 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:
|>> Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
|>> > On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 10:30:03 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:
|>
|>> >> Why I'm not surprised you taking Takei's side?
|>
|>> > Most of Shatner's co-stars share Takei's opinion on this, but it's nothing to do with "sides" anyway. I like all of the Trek TOS group including Shatner. Being a prick isn't necessarily a sin. I'm a huge Jimmy Connors fan, and he's one of the biggest pricks ever to step on a tennis court.
|>
|>> Shatner seems to have s lot of Trump's character. You could never
|>> be hostile to such people as they're so humorous and their humor
|>> is self deprecating too. Most of his colleagues were simply
|>> jealous of him taking big roles, money, spotlight, etc and it's
|>> easier to justify your envy by saying he's such a prick.
|>
|> It's easy to brush it off as nothing but jealousy. Usually the person accused himself/herself does that. When you hear the pattern of things he actually did, though, there's more to it. Having Captain Kirk as the central character in the show wasn't enough for him. He really wanted it to be *about* Captain Kirk. Gene Roddenberry had to battle with him over that. If there were good lines written for other characters, Shatner would want them changed so Captain Kirk speaks them, etc. And then there's the issue of how he treated his co-stars...he regarded them more as props for William Shatner than actors with supporting roles. These kinds of things understandably build up resentment over a period of years.
|>
|>> Essentially, I don't see him as a bad guy, and even if he's a
|>> prick, I don't think it's very negative. I'm ok with Connors too.
|>> Don't like McEnroe types though, obnoxious.
|>
|> I agree with you that Shatner's not a bad guy. IMO a lot of the prickish behavior I described above has to do with an ego that needs to constantly re-inflate itself. Some people are just like that. The bottom line is that I've never seen him act or speak maliciously even when under fire from the former co-stars, so I can't dislike him.
|>
|>> Shatner isn't a superbly talented actor and is no surprise he won
|>> most awards by virtually playing himself, that guy Denny
|>> Crane.
|>
|>> And that guy, in the episode he was asked to run for presidency,
|>> is a prototype for Trump's run. Very fun, remember
|>> that?
|>
|> I didn't watch the show, but I can imagine he'd play that well.
|
|
|
| Here's a two minute clip of that.
|
| https://vimeo.com/1316146
|
 
LOL. What true Canadian hero!
 
FF
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 10 05:08PM -0400

On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 12:52:56 -0700 (PDT), Gracchus
>> all about themselves and often refuse to share the glory. that makes
>> them come across as pricks to many of us. steve jobs being 1 example.
 
>Jobs was a prick in many ways. Not just things he said/did to rivals and subordinates in business, but the way he treated his daughter's mother when she got pregnant and denying paternity for years? I can't see creating a different moral standard for someone just because they a a high achiever.
 
i'm not condoning it by any means. just noting my observations of a
lot of people like this and their behavior.
 
>> and definitely in his own mind. but i can't knock captain kirk, nope.
>> :-)
 
>I can't knock Captain Kirk either, but Shatner sometimes yes. :)
 
haha. you picked up on my hint.
 
> As Shatner himself has said, he played Captain Kirk as the man he would *like* to be. It's hard to imagine anyone else imbuing the character with the required charisma as well as Shatner did. Too bad he could never equal that role later. After being Captain Kirk, there's no way T.J. Hooker won't pale in comparison.
 
lol. of course
 
bob
Yama <yama212NOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk>: Jun 11 12:02AM +0300

> On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 4:29:17 PM UTC+2, Whisper wrote:
>> Sharapova does that & she won career slam.
 
> Yes, but in which era?
 
Clownette era.
 
Final was like watching early/mid period Williams match - stronger girl
does crapload of errors until she finds her range and blasts through the
other player who also gets a bit shellshocked when the match turns
against her. Halep just did not have an extra gear.
 
Anyway, impressive Slam final debut from Ostapenko, for sure.
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jun 10 01:28PM -0700

If only she was a throw back to Mrs Thatch, but she is nothing like the Great Iron Lady! Mrs Thatch would've had us out of the EUSSR asap instead of all this faffing around + she'd have got a giant majority given the situation and vs Corbyn.
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jun 10 01:30PM -0700

Thanks for the info Brian, knew they didn't really need 326 but nice to know the official stats
SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Jun 10 01:00PM -0700

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 2:18:27 PM UTC-4, StephenJ wrote:
> I doubt it.
 
She will go back to the mothership to regroup. Gracchus' calling her an alien is hilariously apt, both in the way she looks and speaks. Maybe a Martian since she likes the red dirt?
SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Jun 10 12:46PM -0700

And Ostapenko is only going to get better.
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