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Tuesday, June 27, 2017

Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jun 27 07:20PM +1000

On 27/06/2017 6:27 PM, MBDunc wrote:
> While there is always power handicap - the biggest issues are movement and consistency. Technically someone like Serera "zoning" neutral groundies can provide shot-to-shot competency to even challenger level male players - but when movement, running shots and sustainability are applied then the gap widens exponentially ... - maybe this (arguably generous) #700 is pretty spot on?
 
> .mikko
 
Serena in full flight looks great on the court, but the important thing
to keep in mind is the shots she is returning are coming from female
players. She wouldn't get the same kind of balls coming from the guys.
 
 
 
 
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ahonkan <ahonkan@gmail.com>: Jun 27 03:04AM -0700

On Tuesday, 27 June 2017 14:50:11 UTC+5:30, Whisper wrote:

> Serena in full flight looks great on the court, but the important thing
> to keep in mind is the shots she is returning are coming from female
> players. She wouldn't get the same kind of balls coming from the guys.
 
Extrapolating, what you are saying is that the 'finesse' players like
Evert, Hingis, Henin would have even less of a chance against the men than
the power players like Seles, MaSha, Kvitova, Azarenka & the Sistahs.
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jun 27 03:08AM -0700

Yeah I seen top men club players beat national level women, as you say it generally movement, speed and angles.
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jun 27 03:17AM -0700

Exactly, Serena is known for her 124mph fastest serve, but be surprised if the top 5000 men aren't regularly hitting 120mph. Not taking anything away from her, would be great to watch her and other women play men.
When I've seen top women play good male club players you get some really good matches.
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jun 27 03:24AM -0700

Just looked up fastest woman in the world during 2017 in 100m's for comparison - 10.71seconds - picked the UK as we not bad at 100m's - you gotta go to 77th man in the UK before the time is equal. That's just running 100m's, there's a lot more going on physically with tennis.
kaennorsing <ljubitsis@hotmail.com>: Jun 27 04:05AM -0700

Op dinsdag 27 juni 2017 08:29:59 UTC+2 schreef Gracchus:
> > part of the game, but powerful players like Serena, Azarenka & Kvitova won't
> > exactly be pushovers for men ranked below, say, 500.
 
> Speed of serve of course isn't all that makes a serve. Murray is putting loads of power into those second serves with the emphasis on ball "action" more than mph. Can Serena possibly kick a serve up higher than a 6'4" man like Murray? I think not. As far as players ranked in the 600-1000 range, well I don't know what the cutoff point would be or if there is one. It would be interesting to see such matches and how they play out. Some people say the difference in serve is most important, but I've also heard it said that it's male vs. female lung capacity.
 
What's often overlooked is how much more explosive men are off the ground than women. They're capable of reaching so many more balls than women. That's also the reason why doubles isn't that big of a difference, as there's less emphasis on movement. It's much more about technique and tactics, which are pretty equal.
 
Also, women may hit close to the same speeds, though not with nearly the same spin and control. So Mac would probably still beat Serena imo, though perhaps not on clay.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jun 27 09:27PM +1000

On 27/06/2017 9:05 PM, kaennorsing wrote:
 
>> Speed of serve of course isn't all that makes a serve. Murray is putting loads of power into those second serves with the emphasis on ball "action" more than mph. Can Serena possibly kick a serve up higher than a 6'4" man like Murray? I think not. As far as players ranked in the 600-1000 range, well I don't know what the cutoff point would be or if there is one. It would be interesting to see such matches and how they play out. Some people say the difference in serve is most important, but I've also heard it said that it's male vs. female lung capacity.
 
> What's often overlooked is how much more explosive men are off the ground than women. They're capable of reaching so many more balls than women. That's also the reason why doubles isn't that big of a difference, as there's less emphasis on movement. It's much more about technique and tactics, which are pretty equal.
 
> Also, women may hit close to the same speeds, though not with nearly the same spin and control. So Mac would probably still beat Serena imo, though perhaps not on clay.
 
Also men accelerate more easily (in all facets - movement, swinging
racket etc) than women.
 
At what age would Mac's 'maleness' stop being the deciding factor v peak
Serena? 60? 65? 70?
 
 
 
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Darkfalz <darkfalz.public@gmail.com>: Jun 27 05:04AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 4:53:07 AM UTC+10, grif wrote:
 
> > Anyway, what struck me most of all is the hostility some of these women have towards someone who just pointed out the obvious. The men's & women's game is hugely different. IMO it's not disparaging Serena's achievements as an athlete, competitor, or champion to do that. It's just a plain truth.
 
> Speaking of which:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AWP1K7FaFI
 
Saw the trailer ages ago. Looks like garbage. Most likely will gloss over Riggs beating BJK, and they sure didn't hire an actor who looks 58.
Darkfalz <darkfalz.public@gmail.com>: Jun 27 05:07AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 3:40:38 PM UTC+10, ahonkan wrote:
 
> Murray's second serve is usually slower than Serena's. Agreed it's just one
> part of the game, but powerful players like Serena, Azarenka & Kvitova won't
> exactly be pushovers for men ranked below, say, 500.
 
You don't think that a men's player isn't putting WAY more "work" on the second serve ball at the same speed than the hardest serving women?
SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Jun 27 05:37AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 5:20:11 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
 
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The women I play with, for example, mostly have great technique, movement and power but their shots do not have the same level of spin as male players at a comparable level. This makes returning their shots easier and I also see that they struggle with my spin. I suspect this is true at the pro level as well.
Darkfalz <darkfalz.public@gmail.com>: Jun 27 05:21AM -0700

On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 6:49:56 PM UTC+10, The Iceberg wrote:
> http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-georgia-house-race-20170620-htmlstory.html
 
> Cool eh! Shows that all the polls are nonsense and Trump is a VERY popular president, except amongst Hillary fans!
 
CNN was running a totally not fake news 51-44 Ossoff vote days before the vote.
Darkfalz <darkfalz.public@gmail.com>: Jun 27 05:12AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 12:17:20 PM UTC+10, SliceAndDice wrote:
 
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> It's his opinion and although a politically incorrect one, its a fair one and he is entitled to it.
 
He was asked a stupid question. He could have taken the easier way out and said "Greater than Federer? Than Nadal?" but chose to go bombastic and say she wouldn't come close to top 500 (probably true).
 
I'm sure Serena knows it's true too, I'm sure she plays decent men in training, but her ego wouldn't let her admit it.
soccerfan777 <zepfloyes@gmail.com>: Jun 27 05:18AM -0700

Lol... Serena seems hurt. McEnroe is right. She won't best a 500 or a 1000.
stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: Jun 27 06:33AM -0500

On 6/26/2017 5:24 PM, TT wrote:
> said in a statement
 
> Please!
 
> Trump incited violence in his rallies
 
Right ... if by "incite violence" you mean "said things that liberals
didn't like". That's basically all you need to do to 'incite violence'
from some liberals these days.
 
 
 
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Darkfalz <darkfalz.public@gmail.com>: Jun 27 05:14AM -0700

On Saturday, June 24, 2017 at 5:33:29 PM UTC+10, Whisper wrote:
> the right. Now type the name "Depp" into the
> German box ... end of test.
 
> You can't make this shit up ...
 
Hollywood pricks preaching open borders and gun control from behind walled mansions patrolled by armed guards is a big reason Trump won BIG LEAGUE.
Darkfalz <darkfalz.public@gmail.com>: Jun 27 05:16AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 8:24:06 AM UTC+10, TT wrote:
> said in a statement
 
> Please!
 
> Trump incited violence in his rallies
 
They were Bernie Sanders commie army who CAME to start violence. Would have done it at the DNC but for the huge WALL they erected.
 
> plus wanted 2nd amendment people
> to shoot Hillary. Hypocrites.
 
Nope. The 2nd amendment is to stop a tyrannical government taking away the people's rights. This is what he was talking about.
Darkfalz <darkfalz.public@gmail.com>: Jun 27 05:17AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 8:44:51 AM UTC+10, jdeluise wrote:
> > others like Johnny Depp have not followed his lead," the White House
> > said in a statement
 
> In *ALL* forms.... hmm. So Trump is a pacifist now?
 
Well, we aren't up to our nutsacks in another middle eastern war and possible armed conflict with Russia like Hillary was itching for.
stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: Jun 27 06:31AM -0500

On 6/26/2017 6:35 PM, Court_1 wrote:
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> Is that the official Captain Underpants assessment? ;)
 
You're missing out by not seeing it. Good movie. :)
 
> Personally, I couldn't get through Skull Kong Island, it was that bad so I couldn't even give it a 5/10.
 
I can see that too, some of the characters and human interactions were
cringy. The gorilla kept me around.
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com>: Jun 27 03:36AM -0700

Amazing how it went to 5 sets in the AO and Nadal was even up a break, but no it not cos ur out of sorts, it's all cos of Fed's bh, what a joke.
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Jun 27 03:46AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 6:36:48 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:
> Amazing how it went to 5 sets in the AO and Nadal was even up a break, but no it not cos ur out of sorts, it's all cos of Fed's bh, what a joke.
 
Ya ya. Nadal is out of sorts. He's played ten tournaments this year and made the final of seven.
 
Get ready to kiss Sampras' shared Wimbledon record goodbye buffoon! :)
ahonkan <ahonkan@gmail.com>: Jun 27 03:06AM -0700

On Monday, 26 June 2017 19:36:34 UTC+5:30, TT wrote:
> http://www.hurlinghamtennisclassic.com/news-1/rafael-nadal-joins-line-up#
 
> Berdych on Wednesday
> Haas on Friday
 
Do you think Rafa would bail out of Wimbledon since
he has skipped all grass tuneups?
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Jun 27 03:14AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 6:06:41 AM UTC-4, ahonkan wrote:
> > Haas on Friday
 
> Do you think Rafa would bail out of Wimbledon since
> he has skipped all grass tuneups?
 
NO! He's been practicing on grass in Spain and is already at Wimbledon practicing. He's not going to bail. He's in his best form since 2013, in fact he looks better to me in some ways--i.e. playing more aggressively.
John Liang <jliang70@gmail.com>: Jun 27 02:32AM -0700

On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 10:23:06 PM UTC+10, Whisper wrote:
 
> Incidentally I never notice you discussing this thrashing of Fed at USO?
> Seems odd when you look at the thousands of posts you made about Safin
> & Hewitt beating Sampras at USO. Must be an honest oversight?
 
Seemed odd you have a real problem accepting the fact Hewitt beat Sampras quite often on hard court. Sampras was a great champion and Hewitt beating him at slam final does not make him a lesser player. Clearly Hewitt and Safin were more talented than those gap player of the mid 90s like Kafelnikov, Moya type. How often did Cilic beat Fed? probaby 2 out 10 times they played and how often did Hewitt beat Sampras ? About 50% of the time.
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Jun 27 03:12AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 12:27:04 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
 
> You can't generalize anything Nadal does at the FO to anywhere else. He's near-invincible on the red clay in that arena and all opponents know his history there before stepping on court against him. Let's not forget how many times he played a dominant FO only to crash out early at Wimbledon. Of course, this year might just be different in that regard. I certainly hope not. :)
 
I would agree with you but the truth is I think Nadal is probably going to do well at Wimbledon this year unless he has some kind of brutal draw with heavy hitter after heavy hitter. He's playing much more aggressively this year.
Pelle Svanslos <pelle@svans.los>: Jun 27 01:05PM +0300

On 26/06/2017 17.49, PeteWasLucky wrote:
>> Nole trying to 'reboot'...
 
> Nole needs new motherboard.
 
I think the real Nole is abducted.
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