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Sunday, June 11, 2017

Bharath Purohit <acebharath@gmail.com>: Jun 11 09:02AM -0700

Like ever?
Bharath Purohit <acebharath@gmail.com>: Jun 11 09:02AM -0700

Only Sampras and Rosewell has done that iirc
 
Federer cant join this list. Lol.
Bharath Purohit <acebharath@gmail.com>: Jun 11 08:35AM -0700

10 TIMES FRENCH OPEN CHAMPION
 
 
RAFAAAAA NADAL !!!
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Jun 11 07:01PM +0300

Bharath Purohit kirjoitti 11.6.2017 klo 18:35:
> 10 TIMES FRENCH OPEN CHAMPION
 
> RAFAAAAA NADAL !!!
 
Fucking incredible.
 
Rafa was game from the start and never gave Stan a chance. Great
performance without any lapses whatsoever.
 
Greatest record in tennis ever. As I have said for years this makes Rafa
GOAT in my book. And as fedfans used to say: whatever he wins in the
future is "just a bonus".
 
Having said that, with this win he's now #2 (over Stan) and looking
pretty damn strong. Could sweep rest of the year now that this ultimate
goal/pressure is done... or perhaps do 'a Djokovic' but I doubt it.
 
Once again, what an incredible achievement.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8TUWilKb6M
Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Jun 11 08:43AM -0700

On Sunday, June 11, 2017 at 8:40:29 AM UTC-7, jdeluise wrote:
> > sentence construction. My god, your editor must be a saint.
 
> Although it would have been more effective had I not misspelled
> "employed" :)
 
 
 
I was thinking Kehoe had to be satirizing himself, but maybe not. o;
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 11 11:47AM -0400

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 08:43:16 -0700 (PDT), Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>
wrote:
 
 
>> Although it would have been more effective had I not misspelled
>> "employed" :)
 
>I was thinking Kehoe had to be satirizing himself, but maybe not. o;
 
no - he's just that good. :-)
 
bob
Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: Jun 11 08:47AM -0700

On Sunday, June 11, 2017 at 8:40:29 AM UTC-7, jdeluise wrote:
> > sentence construction. My god, your editor must be a saint.
 
> Although it would have been more effective had I not misspelled
> "employed" :)
 
That's okay. The grammar gods will probably forgive you.
 
As for the content, maybe Patrick doesn't write this way when he's working professionally. The style we see here might be reserved solely for informal forum posts. I don't know why he would do that, but it's possible. Or a simpler explanation is that he only posts on RST when he's stoned.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jun 12 01:54AM +1000

On 12/06/2017 1:36 AM, jdeluise wrote:
 
> Ah yes, the typical Kehoe gibberish employeed to mask the fact you seem
> to lack even the most basic understanding of grammar, spelling or
> sentence construction. My god, your editor must be a saint.
 
I see Patrick as a hippie, pot-smoking poet. He does add a certain
something to this group?
 
 
 
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jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com>: Jun 11 03:58PM

On Mon, 12 Jun 2017 01:54:45 +1000, Whisper wrote:
 
> I see Patrick as a hippie, pot-smoking poet. He does add a certain
> something to this group?
 
Sure. I like him a lot despite my typically abrasive comments.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jun 12 02:00AM +1000

On 12/06/2017 1:47 AM, Gracchus wrote:
>> "employed" :)
 
> That's okay. The grammar gods will probably forgive you.
 
> As for the content, maybe Patrick doesn't write this way when he's working professionally. The style we see here might be reserved solely for informal forum posts. I don't know why he would do that, but it's possible. Or a simpler explanation is that he only posts on RST when he's stoned.
 
Yes, we'll only know when he posts sober 1 day.
 
 
 
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Jun 11 05:33PM +0200


> You'd have to understand the concept of dynamical progression to understand why generations (governed and competitive within a set of principles and 'functions') manifest qualities of differentiation and nuance which allow for incremental movement against given norms. Applied to sports it means that to exact or manifest success (to win) each competitor re-adjusts and redesigns (according to their own ability horizons) competences and variation over time. Given that sports (especially pro sports) also manifests as a (conditional)hierarchy, the elites are constantly 'rivalled' and (to simplify things here) eventually overcome within the game structure (bounds of givenness of technique, strategy, application of elements (equipment) AND personal entropy as well as many other factors. Generations also overlap and create randomizing factors... and etc.
 
> NOTE: Seldom are there clean breakages AND some generations are more resistant to on coming encroachments BECAUSE they themselves are so highly adaptable even over inordinant time periods (in fact that helps define them as beyond exceptional (champions); they are singularities (iconic greatness manifest) a AND BECAUSE they can recreate structures/factors for maintaining 'singularity' (another concept too complex to explain in full).
 
> P
 
Maybe but I don't necessarily feel that e.g. a lion somewhere in
Africa today is a more dangerous alfa predator who bullies other
lions and fights for females, than his predecessor 2 thousands
years ago was.
 
 
More likely that we got, not necessarily most talented even though
they're talented, but what we're seeing is probably most
*motivated* generation of players that keep motivating each other
and push each other.
Like the cycling teams.
 
 
That could mean e.g. sharp decline in quality once they retire,
with having Kyrgios types winning slam or two and then go
partying.
 
 
 
 
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bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 11 12:01PM -0400

On Mon, 12 Jun 2017 01:54:45 +1000, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>
wrote:
 
>> sentence construction. My god, your editor must be a saint.
 
>I see Patrick as a hippie, pot-smoking poet. He does add a certain
>something to this group?
 
most certainly.
 
bob
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Jun 11 05:47PM +0200

> about it: What human could have advised Deep Blue on a better move,
> playing the current world champion? No one, and an average desktop
> computer of today could beat Magnus Carlsen.
 
 
Computers are racists.
 
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bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 11 11:34AM -0400

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 17:26:22 +0200 (CEST), *skriptis
 
>He quits now, no?
 
they showed moya with a subtitle "coach" during the match.
 
bob
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Jun 11 05:35PM +0200


>>He quits now, no?
 
> they showed moya with a subtitle "coach" during the match.
 
> bob
 
Toni announced this is his last year with Nadal, he was kinda
Vajda
to Becker/Moya during this transition but he's leaving
completely now.
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Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jun 12 01:39AM +1000

Federer 5-0
Djokovic 6-1
Murray 2-0
Stan 2-0
 
Combined 15-1
 
 
 
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Bharath Purohit <acebharath@gmail.com>: Jun 11 09:00AM -0700

3 of those 4 are FO champions
Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: Jun 11 08:46AM -0700

On Sunday, June 11, 2017 at 7:48:52 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:
 
> > P
 
> This was always on the cards after his disappointing collapse in AO
> final. He wasn't going to leave anything to chance here.
 
It felt like that, didn't it. Rafa had to produce his best tennis precisely because this was a summation of what has characterized his career. And he did. A truly incredible tennis champion.
 
P
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jun 12 01:59AM +1000

On 12/06/2017 1:46 AM, Patrick Kehoe wrote:
 
>> This was always on the cards after his disappointing collapse in AO
>> final. He wasn't going to leave anything to chance here.
 
> It felt like that, didn't it. Rafa had to produce his best tennis precisely because this was a summation of what has characterized his career. And he did. A truly incredible tennis champion.
 
Yes, but surely he is due for a letdown now? He's had an amazing 6 month
run.
 
Fed has maybe played it smarter by taking a break. He'll be freshest of
all the players coming into Wimbledon.
 
 
 
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bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 11 11:59AM -0400

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 11:52:31 -0400, StephenJ <stephenj@flex.com>
wrote:
 
>> pretty happy with it.
 
>Nah, as valuable as W was to Sampras, his ultimate goal was GOAT, and
>that's been gone for a while now. This just rubs more salt in.
 
being that he stated from day 1 on tour he wanted to win wimbledons,
and nobody's won more, i think he's fine with that. way into the
career the goal to slam king changed, and i'm sure he's disappointed
to lose that, but losing to an 8th wimbledon king would be equally
hard IMO.
 
bob
Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: Jun 11 08:59AM -0700

On Sunday, June 11, 2017 at 4:57:59 AM UTC-7, bob wrote:
 
> maybe been halep's problem all along. she's just not that tough a
> competitor.
 
> bob
 
The word on Halep has been she's a self-destructive perfectionist, who can even negatively disect a tournament winning run. She's said to be never satisfied, which through her developmental years was an over all plus. But as she began to win title after title she just got worse and more emotionally invested as well. Part of what Darren Cahill was trying to do was get her to 'just compete' and then 'live with the results', i.e. get a grip on that internal critic and ENJOY the fact she wins a LOT of tennis tournaments, so that she could more freely build up to her best tennis at the pressure filled majors. In a way, getting back to a final was a big step forward. The fact she lost to - as W rightly states - "a newbie", man, that's got to sting. How will she process that. Like being on court with a person who LITERALLY steps past you at/near the top of the line. All the work you did, the price you paid to gain excellence and performance proficiencies and WOOSH-BOOM (Batman theme of the week here on RST Adam West), a just turned 20 year old busts past you. OUCH!
 
P
Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: Jun 11 08:42AM -0700

On Sunday, June 11, 2017 at 7:57:40 AM UTC-7, StephenJ wrote:
> form right now. Fed was in tremendous form, but the past 2 months off
> could have made him rust. It will be very interesting to see how he
> emerges on to grass, but it's a question mark to me.
 
Rafa's key concern will be the inevitable let down that 'any human' would have to feel emotionally (winning la decima) and physically (the sustained routing of the fields to once again claim masters level/FO). Even for Rafa there has to be a cooling off period, followed by a recovery period. He'll have to break recent patterns and sustain through another months to do the ultimate (win the final or get to the final) at Wimbledon. Massive challenge; AND now NickK and Milos and Zverev step back into the core contenders mix, given their big hitting games and competences for fast(er) court tennis. All are seriously potential stumbling blocks for both Rafa and Roger.
 
P
John Liang <jliang70@gmail.com>: Jun 11 08:52AM -0700

On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 1:42:11 AM UTC+10, Patrick Kehoe wrote:
> > emerges on to grass, but it's a question mark to me.
 
> Rafa's key concern will be the inevitable let down that 'any human' would have to feel emotionally (winning la decima) and physically (the sustained routing of the fields to once again claim masters level/FO). Even for Rafa there has to be a cooling off period, followed by a recovery period. He'll have to break recent patterns and sustain through another months to do the ultimate (win the final or get to the final) at Wimbledon. Massive challenge; AND now NickK and Milos and Zverev step back into the core contenders mix, given their big hitting games and competences for fast(er) court tennis. All are seriously potential stumbling blocks for both Rafa and Roger.
 
> P
 
No doubt that it will not be just the three guys you mentioned in the running of Wimbledon, Federer and Murray will also be in the running. For FO there is about two or three players that had genuine chance of winning but at Wimbledon there are more players capable of spoiling the day for higher ranked players.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jun 12 01:57AM +1000

On 12/06/2017 1:42 AM, Patrick Kehoe wrote:
>> emerges on to grass, but it's a question mark to me.
 
> Rafa's key concern will be the inevitable let down that 'any human' would have to feel emotionally (winning la decima) and physically (the sustained routing of the fields to once again claim masters level/FO). Even for Rafa there has to be a cooling off period, followed by a recovery period. He'll have to break recent patterns and sustain through another months to do the ultimate (win the final or get to the final) at Wimbledon. Massive challenge; AND now NickK and Milos and Zverev step back into the core contenders mix, given their big hitting games and competences for fast(er) court tennis. All are seriously potential stumbling blocks for both Rafa and Roger.
 
> P
 
Agreed. Rafa has had a pretty full on 6 months & must be in need of a
break. Hoping he'll do great at Wimbledon but seems doubtful.
 
 
 
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bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jun 11 11:39AM -0400

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 11:09:24 -0400, StephenJ <stephenj@flex.com>
wrote:
 
>departments have independent internal affairs sections to investigate
>police. But even special prosecutors can be indirectly fired by the
>President, as he can order his AG to fire them, like Nixon did in 1973.
 
as long as this "independent" council is composed of humans that have
political biases it'll be a problem for the obvious reasons.
 
bob
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