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Saturday, June 10, 2017

*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Jun 10 07:13PM +0200


>> It does. I just bought the '66 bluray set. I guess it had to happen
>> sooner or later. Stan Lee is probably next.
 
> Yeah, Stan Lee's death will be hard to take. So will some others from that generation like Carl Reiner, Mel Brooks, Kirk Douglas. Even Shatner. He's a prick but still an icon.
 
 
Why I'm not surprised you taking Takei's side?
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TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Jun 10 08:37PM +0300

Whisper kirjoitti 10.6.2017 klo 20:25:
 
> Rod Laver is probably the biggest tennis icon who is 'due' to shuffle off.
 
> The byproduct of living longer - seeing all your idols/icons die off.
 
> : (
 
Olivia de Havilland will be 101 1st of July...
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/race/emmys-olivia-de-havilland-bette-davis-joan-crawford-feud-994699
 
Oh and... RIP Adam West. His Batman was damn hilarious.
Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: Jun 10 10:41AM -0700

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 10:30:03 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:
 
> > Yeah, Stan Lee's death will be hard to take. So will some others from that generation like Carl Reiner, Mel Brooks, Kirk Douglas. Even Shatner. He's a prick but still an icon.
 
> Why I'm not surprised you taking Takei's side?
> --
 
Most of Shatner's co-stars share Takei's opinion on this, but it's nothing to do with "sides" anyway. I like all of the Trek TOS group including Shatner. Being a prick isn't necessarily a sin. I'm a huge Jimmy Connors fan, and he's one of the biggest pricks ever to step on a tennis court.
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Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: Jun 10 10:49AM -0700

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 10:37:32 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:
 
> Olivia de Havilland will be 101 1st of July...
> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/race/emmys-olivia-de-havilland-bette-davis-joan-crawford-feud-994699
 
> Oh and... RIP Adam West. His Batman was damn hilarious.
 
Yes, West was just the right actor for it and he played it perfectly. He was a really funny guy in interviews too.
 
Three weeks is long going when one has passed 100, so I hope Olivia gets there safely and Kirk Douglas too in December. I think if someone really wants to ensure a long life, start writing children's books. A lot of those authors make it well into their 90s or past 100.
Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: Jun 10 10:52AM -0700

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 10:49:23 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
 
> > Oh and... RIP Adam West. His Batman was damn hilarious.
 
> Yes, West was just the right actor for it and he played it perfectly. He was a really funny guy in interviews too.
 
> Three weeks is long going when one has passed 100, so I hope Olivia gets there safely and Kirk Douglas too in December. I think if someone really wants to ensure a long life, start writing children's books. A lot of those authors make it well into their 90s or past 100.
 
ZOOOM! BUFFF! THWACK!!!
 
West did well... 88 and he's been acting fairly regularly even as an old dude... good on him... Still, sad to hear...
 
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Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: Jun 10 10:45AM -0700

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 7:59:43 AM UTC-7, Federer Fanatic wrote:
> | Tennis players make horrendous commentators. They simply do not know when to shut up. E.g. Ms Bartoli.
 
> Include Chris Evert....awful...
 
> FF
 
Yes, hate to say it but Evert isn't really 'sharp' enough nor articulate enough to be more than just mediocre...
 
And J. McEnroe... goodness... Just had occasion to listen to him after not having heard him commentate for 4 or 5 months and it was jarring how bad/annoying his commentary remains...
 
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jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com>: Jun 10 05:50PM

On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 10:45:34 -0700, Patrick Kehoe wrote:
 
 
> And J. McEnroe... goodness... Just had occasion to listen to him after
> not having heard him commentate for 4 or 5 months and it was jarring how
> bad/annoying his commentary remains...
 
Yes, one wonders how all these mediocre sports journalists spouting half-
baked, pseudo-philosophical ramblings resembling beat poetry stay
employed?
Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net>: Jun 10 10:49AM -0700

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 7:39:03 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:
> > A bit spent running after the ball perhaps?
> > Nerves?
 
> Ostachick hitting some great winners too...
 
Osta can really rack her shots and even from some extreme angles or body positions... if (and it's a big IF these days) she can keep her head together she's going to be a nightmare for anyone in any draw...
 
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TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Jun 10 06:55PM +0300

Court_1 kirjoitti 10.6.2017 klo 18:23:
 
>>> Yep, Halep is a choker and she's very vulnerable to power players. Always has been.
 
>> Halep is better than 95 % of all power players.
 
> Well she isn't better than Ostapenko because she's slamless and Ostapenko isn't.
 
Sure she's better than Ostapenko.
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Jun 10 07:09PM +0200


>> No. She's a defensive player. Without killer shots it's hard to beat big hitters like Jelena Stapenko.
 
>> FF
 
> Tell that to Chirs Evert who won 18 slams with her mostly defensive style. It's that Halep is missing that champion's mentality. She was three games away from the title in the second and blew it. There's no other way to spin it.
 
Chris Evert lol.
 
Who could have blown her off the court with wooden racquets on
clay? Laughable.
 
She won big titles while young, in a much. Smaller pool of
players, and as soon as you win early on your confidence grows.
Maybe Halep in the 70s and with slam title from an early age
develops champion's mentality. Maybe not.
 
But she's certainly at disadvantage in this power play era with
graphite racquets. Evert had it easier.
 
And likewise, Christ Evert in modern era becomes Radwanska.
 
 
Navratilova had some outstanding qualities and weapons, Evert not
so much.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com>: Jun 10 05:36PM

On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 10:07:17 -0700, Gracchus wrote:
 
 
>> > I may tip Ostapenko. That puts her ahead already.
 
>> But you tipped Tomic, Roddick... probably puts her behind :(
 
> Well Roddick did win a slam.
 
As has Ostapenko.... Whisper's later tips may have been the kiss of death
for poor Roddick :)
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Jun 10 07:12PM +0200

> performance, but they should realize they are pretty lucky to get away
> with it.
 
> : )
 
 
Soon the tours will be split, and nobody will steal from anyone.
The current situation is unbearable and as soon as you see guys
in charge talking about it you know the changes are about to
arrive.
 
If they earn it, I don't have a problem with women being paid
triple as men.
 
 
 
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heyguys00@gmail.com: Jun 10 10:42AM -0700

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 1:30:03 PM UTC-4, *skriptis wrote:
 
> --
 
Evert won half her slams in the 80s...
SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Jun 10 10:47AM -0700

First title of any kind, and she apparently showed very little nerves, so very commendable. Fun fact: she was born on the same day that the last person to win his first career title at a slam picked up his first one, Guga at the French.
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Jun 10 06:54PM +0300

Court_1 kirjoitti 10.6.2017 klo 18:20:
>>> Have to say was fun to watch. She hit 64 winners!
 
>> And at least as many UEs... typical women's match...
 
> What are you talking about? Thiem made 31 UEs to 24 winners in his match vs Nadal and he didn't win! Where's his slam? At least Ostapenko has a slam!
 
That's the sad part. In women's game you can win the title by making 70
UEs and on men's game you'll get crushed with 31.
Carey <carey_1959@yahoo.com>: Jun 10 09:02AM -0700

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 8:14:46 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:
> Have to say was fun to watch. She hit 64 winners!
 
 
Big Congratulations to Ms Ostapenko!
SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Jun 10 10:38AM -0700

And clay isn't even her favorite surface. I saw highlights of her beating Kvitova on grass, which she says is her best surface. With an improved serve, this girl can go places.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Jun 11 03:41AM +1000

On 11/06/2017 3:38 AM, SliceAndDice wrote:
> And clay isn't even her favorite surface. I saw highlights of her beating Kvitova on grass, which she says is her best surface. With an improved serve, this girl can go places.
 
Hope so. The game needs new stars not afraid of winning.
 
 
 
 
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Jun 10 07:21PM +0200


> Not much variety to cheer about, no great rallies... often ends up with
> winner or UE. I guess her playing style is entertaining too to some extent.
 
The Ukrainian has been fantastic to watch.
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Jun 10 07:19PM +0200


>> And my point is proven ;-)
 
>> FF
 
> Your point isn't proven. If Thiem does something to impress me, I'll change my tune about him but watching him play vs Nadal in that SF, I thought he was hopeless. Look at the difference between his performance and Ostapenko's. See the difference in their killer instinct?
 
Very smart comparing the challenges of playing vs Halepn who you
call choker, defensive etc and playing vs Nadal?
 
 
It took Wawrinka almost a decade to develop him mind and game.
Many losses to big 4 before that.
 
Thiem seems to still be at learning process. This is probably the
first match he ever played against in-form Rafa in best of 5,
that people actually expected something from in such a match. He
wasn't the fave but he was a legitimate challenger.

 
 
 
 
 
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SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Jun 10 10:37AM -0700

And Halep has how much variety? Lol. At least, Ostapenko does not put you to sleep.
 
If you like variety, watch Bacsinszky. Very interesting game.
TT <ascii@dprk.kp>: Jun 10 08:40PM +0300

SliceAndDice kirjoitti 10.6.2017 klo 20:37:
> And Halep has how much variety? Lol. At least, Ostapenko does not put you to sleep.
 
> If you like variety, watch Bacsinszky. Very interesting game.
 
Coached by Hingis' mother if I recall correctly...
(which explains attempt at variety)
SliceAndDice <vishalkn@gmail.com>: Jun 10 10:39AM -0700

I don't think she is.
Federer Fanatic <TheRelentlessTide@nospam.invalid>: Jun 10 10:40AM -0500

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 01:32:19 +1000, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com> wrote:
| On 11/06/2017 1:22 AM, Federer Fanatic wrote:
|> On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 01:15:11 +1000, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com> wrote:
|> | On 11/06/2017 1:01 AM, Federer Fanatic wrote:
|> |> On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 00:56:17 +1000, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com> wrote:
|> |> | On 11/06/2017 12:53 AM, Federer Fanatic wrote:
|> |> |> On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 00:47:16 +1000, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com> wrote:
|> |> |> | On 11/06/2017 12:34 AM, Federer Fanatic wrote:
|> |> |> |> On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 00:28:18 +1000, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com> wrote:
|> |> |> |> | On 11/06/2017 12:18 AM, Federer Fanatic wrote:
|> |> |> |> |> On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 00:06:25 +1000, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com> wrote:
|> |> |> |> |
|> |> |> |> |
|> |> |> |> | I love Stan's game - best from a visual perspective this century I
|> |> |> |> | reckon - so always happy when he wins a slam. However I also admire
|> |> |> |> | Rafa greatly. He's the only clear cut surface goat/boat in tennis
|> |> |> |> | history, so it's a massive privilege watching this guy's career in real
|> |> |> |> | time. Trust me we won't see a guy dominate a surface to this extent
|> |> |> |> | ever again.
|> |> |> |> |
|> |> |> |> | I'd like to see Rafa make a real run at Fed's 18 slam record so this
|> |> |> |> | match is crucial for him. If he loses this it could be career ending
|> |> |> |> | for him, given he let a golden opportunity slip by in AO final. If he
|> |> |> |> | wins then I think he can win another slam this yr to get to 16.
|> |> |> |> |
|> |> |> |> |
|> |> |> |> |
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> Honest response and your true motivation is revealed ;-) More anti-Fed sentiments
|> |> |> |> as if that's a surprise to anyone...
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> FF
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> | It's not really 'anti Fed' though, more a search for the truth. From
|> |> |> | what I've seen in the Fed v Rafa rivalry I have no doubt Rafa at his
|> |> |> | best beats Fed at his best. At least if I was forced to bet my life on
|> |> |> | who wins a match between these 2 guys, I'd always pick Rafa. That being
|> |> |> | the case why shouldn't he hold the slam record, given imo he's the
|> |> |> | better 'big match' player?
|> |> |> |
|> |> |> |: )
|> |> |> |
|> |> |> |
|> |> |>
|> |> |> Yes. I would want Rafa to play for my life too, but I wouldn't mind Fed either.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> FF
|> |> |>
|> |> |
|> |> | If I had to pick a great player to win any random match pulled out of a
|> |> | hat, to play for my life, then I would pick Federer.
|> |> |
|> |> |
|> |>
|> |> It sounds like your hedging your answer. Fed or Nadal for life? Let's agree
|> |> that either guy would be equally preferred?
|> |>
|> |> FF
|> |>
|> |
|> |
|> |
|> | Different questions require different analysis. If it's peak Fed v peak
|> | Rafa I pick peak Rafa, if random match v anybody over 10 yrs I pick Federer.
|> |
|> |
|> OK. If Fed and Rafa played each other for your life you would pick Rafa. I suppose
|> that's fair based on the head to head. Especially on clay. How about Peak Fed against Peak
|> Rafa on grass or hardcourt? Obviously if it was a round robin tournament where a series
|> of matches determined your life Fed would clearly be the choice as he beats everyone
|> thoroughly.
|>
|> FF
|>
|> ps. You find Fed unappealing as a person? Irrelevant from the tennis point of view....
|>
|> FF
|>
|>
|
| Fed is too pc for my liking, & lost too much to his biggest rival. If
| he were less pc & owned Rafa I'd like him more.
|
|: )
|
 
Yes. I would definitely be the Ultimate Federer Fanatic if Fed had dealt
with Rafa, say on a 50-50 basis on clay. And not losing to in 2008 Wimbledon
final. Very annoying Performance...could have put Rafa into a mental funk
on grass and possibly other faster surfaces with a win.
 
FF
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